factors for suicide - a message given in jyotish vidya

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Respected Kishoreji,

I have seen ketu taking a major part in suicidal tendencies or

attempts for committing suicide if its with the Lagna Lord, in the

lagna or with the moon itself..

And one more thing, plz dont mind, you get ur computer thorughly

scanned probably it is affected by any virus for certain mails r not

only coming to this forum ,but also i received some of them in my

inbox..

With Humbleness,

.

 

 

vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> ear friend,

>

>

> I am yet to cast and read the charts provided by you. But let me

tell

> two general points with regard to the suicides:

>

>

> The first one is to do with the natal chart of the native.

Generally,

> the Lagna Lord will be a malefic for the native. This happens to

> tarus and the four 'corner' lagnas. Also, the Moon must be

severely

> afflicted. If moon is severly afflicted, it can also indicate a

> possibility of Balarishta, though in Balarishta, the connection of

> Mars with certain Houses is compulsory. In other words, the Moons

> position will be alike in both Balarishta and suicide cases.

>

> The second point is to do with the transits. The Tr Lagna lord

should

> be cruelly aspecting himself in the natal chart. Sometimes, this

> position can be taken by AK but then, AK should be AK for the

transit

> chart also.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

>

> jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Patrice and All,

> >

> > I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

> science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning

behind

> some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

> >

> > Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini

Sun. I

> often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also

very

> autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where people

> just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them openly. I

> have often found this to be a direct reaction to the severity of

the

> depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities of World War 11.

> Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this depression era,

> teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their

lives

> that were bigger than them. That's where the 12-step program came

to

> say that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of likeness

> and support. It was a kind of new religion to help pull men from

the

> depths of despair.

> >

> > Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

> stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

> >

> > Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and

often

> didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again. Those

> that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life and

the

> majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

> >

> > Women during the war came out of the house and into the

factory to

> work – to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where

women

> wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was

rationed, so

> material for clothing was harder and sturdier – so pants came into

> being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need for

> safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the

uniform of

> the War.

> >

> > Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept

of "being

> powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became an

> obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

> overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal prosperity

> was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens, dresses,

> and deferring roles.

> >

> > However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers

were

> raised and what expectations were required? There were four themes

> going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this is

> where entitlement was bred – don't you just love Dr Spock) two, the

> sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of

apathy.

> And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising their

> daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men. The

> fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

> fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were screaming

for

> their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women in

the

> workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-century so

> far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the common sense

> rules for civility out the window.

> >

> > So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it

really

> was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I think

> the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

> deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

> survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

> nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

> stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

> protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they became

> very narcissistic.

> >

> > My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted

sister,

> but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one

where

> she provided this child with a better life and gave her

opportunities

> and education and a roof over her head that my sister has never

been

> able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as having any

empathy

> for a broken soul theory – there is none. That and my mother's

> intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is written off as

> complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to my

> mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not of

> her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two lives

> with completely different experiences.

> >

> > I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

> change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

> through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then.

She

> like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and

happiness.

> >

> > As Always,

> > Uttara

> >

> >

> >

> > "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

> deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

light,

> not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing

enlightened

> about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around

> you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

> people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own

> fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return

To

> Love: by Marianne Williamson

>

[Guest guest]

Dear gourav,

 

Thank you for the combination.

 

I am very sorry for the inconvenience. Actually, it had to do with

downloading of a site meant for songs.

 

I have put things in place now and I went around deleting the virus

messages in many groups.

 

sorry once again,

 

Kishore patnaik

 

vedic astrology, "" <gg_0202

wrote:

>

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Respected Kishoreji,

> I have seen ketu taking a major part in suicidal tendencies or

> attempts for committing suicide if its with the Lagna Lord, in the

> lagna or with the moon itself..

> And one more thing, plz dont mind, you get ur computer thorughly

> scanned probably it is affected by any virus for certain mails r not

> only coming to this forum ,but also i received some of them in my

> inbox..

> With Humbleness,

> .

>

>

> vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> >

> > ear friend,

> >

> >

> > I am yet to cast and read the charts provided by you. But let me

> tell

> > two general points with regard to the suicides:

> >

> >

> > The first one is to do with the natal chart of the native.

> Generally,

> > the Lagna Lord will be a malefic for the native. This happens to

> > tarus and the four 'corner' lagnas. Also, the Moon must be

> severely

> > afflicted. If moon is severly afflicted, it can also indicate a

> > possibility of Balarishta, though in Balarishta, the connection of

> > Mars with certain Houses is compulsory. In other words, the Moons

> > position will be alike in both Balarishta and suicide cases.

> >

> > The second point is to do with the transits. The Tr Lagna lord

> should

> > be cruelly aspecting himself in the natal chart. Sometimes, this

> > position can be taken by AK but then, AK should be AK for the

> transit

> > chart also.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Patrice and All,

> > >

> > > I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

> > science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning

> behind

> > some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

> > >

> > > Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini

> Sun. I

> > often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also

> very

> > autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where people

> > just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them openly. I

> > have often found this to be a direct reaction to the severity of

> the

> > depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities of World War 11.

> > Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this depression era,

> > teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their

> lives

> > that were bigger than them. That's where the 12-step program came

> to

> > say that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of likeness

> > and support. It was a kind of new religion to help pull men from

> the

> > depths of despair.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

> > stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

> > >

> > > Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and

> often

> > didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again. Those

> > that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life and

> the

> > majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

> > >

> > > Women during the war came out of the house and into the

> factory to

> > work – to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where

> women

> > wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was

> rationed, so

> > material for clothing was harder and sturdier – so pants came into

> > being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need for

> > safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the

> uniform of

> > the War.

> > >

> > > Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept

> of "being

> > powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became an

> > obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

> > overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal prosperity

> > was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens, dresses,

> > and deferring roles.

> > >

> > > However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers

> were

> > raised and what expectations were required? There were four themes

> > going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this is

> > where entitlement was bred – don't you just love Dr Spock) two, the

> > sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of

> apathy.

> > And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising their

> > daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men. The

> > fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

> > fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were screaming

> for

> > their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women in

> the

> > workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-century so

> > far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the common sense

> > rules for civility out the window.

> > >

> > > So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it

> really

> > was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I think

> > the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

> > deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

> > survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

> > nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

> > stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

> > protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they became

> > very narcissistic.

> > >

> > > My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted

> sister,

> > but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one

> where

> > she provided this child with a better life and gave her

> opportunities

> > and education and a roof over her head that my sister has never

> been

> > able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as having any

> empathy

> > for a broken soul theory – there is none. That and my mother's

> > intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is written off as

> > complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to my

> > mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not of

> > her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two lives

> > with completely different experiences.

> > >

> > > I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

> > change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

> > through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then.

> She

> > like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and

> happiness.

> > >

> > > As Always,

> > > Uttara

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

> > deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

> light,

> > not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing

> enlightened

> > about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around

> > you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

> > people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own

> > fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return

> To

> > Love: by Marianne Williamson

> >

>