Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 , "kishore mohan" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear friends, I was in Kodai Kanal, visiting Babaji when I have received the phone call from a local BJP leader giving the news of Pramodji getting shot. Curiously, he was not knowing the full details including the fact that it is his brother who has shot him. When I have managed to take a prasna chart, I interpreted it as problems with brother and hidden enemies, which came out as correct. Since I never look for death in a chart, I have looked for health which was indicated as incapacitation. It was after a day or so, the problem was again put before me by Mrs Rhodaji, Hyderabad who is an eminent member of this group. We have taken one more prasna. The chart was extremely cruel and did not augur (I remember the Lagna to be scorpio) Yet, based some on my earlier chart and ostensibly some wishful thinking, we interpreted that as severe problems with lots of hope for recovery. Again, as it is my practice, I did not look for death. On presentation of his natal chart, I have seen the negative points to be as under: 1. With Sun, the third lord, in debilitation along with Ketu (aversion), the relationships with his brother will be ebbing low. It depends on the degree of the sun ie how deep is the fall to decide whether these relationships will be bad with all the younger siblings (or cousins) or not. 2. 8th Lord (betrayal) in 3rd(sibling) indicates deception by brother. 3. FRom the transits, you can see the Mercury who is the benefic is very weak at the moment is very weak being in debilitation and being RAhu. 4. BOth Mars and SAturn are at their worst in cruelity being in harming stars. Mars aspecting natal Mercury indicates attack on the body, aspecing 7th house indicates the event to take place due to his wife(perhaps here it means, in the presence of his wife)and aspecting 8th house indicates attack on his health and ayush. That SAturn is in 11th indicates that he would survive but that mars is aspecting very creully at his 8th house indicates his incapacitation for a very long time to come. These points are nothing new, all of which above are given in my earlier post. However, the points which I saw during the analysis but dismiised as inconsequential are the following 1. That Mercury would be going through Rasi sandhi. As Mercury is already in fall, what worse can be done? In fact, he is coming out of fall and it can not be bad for the native. 2. SAturn is the pratyak tara lord whose DAsa is currently going on. He indicates the betryal being the eighth lord and since he is eighth lord, he is likely to give ayush also against the Mars who is bent upon stealing his ayush. More over, he is in 11th House which will not allow him to do real bad. Interestingly, both these points become relevant and consequential and the entire logic will change by a single point which is Obvious and yet, I have failed to observe - that the transit of mercury will be into a fiery sign and into the enemy sign of Mars. Thus, the above two points become totally relevant as below 1. The rasi sandhi in the Aries, a fiery sign , would be highly dangerous,as it belongs to an enemy and to Mars, who is bent upon reducing the ayush of the native (as expalined as above) . During this half ghatika, Mercury will be totally ineffective. Interestingly, the moment Mercury has moved into Aries, Pramod Mahajan's body has stopped responding to the treatment. 2. No doubt, saturn being 8th Lord and being in 11th in transit, aspecting the natal Mercury will not kill even though being the pratyak tara. In fact, it is this aspect that has stopped from giving an instantaneous death to the native. However, as the Merucyr has moved into the Aries, natal Rahu the antardasa Lord is also in Aries and will accentuate the results of the Mars. Combined this with already the points which I have already mentioned above, we can see that saturn in 11th can atmost delay the death and once, Mercury has totally become weak, had to give in as the AyurKaraka in the face of overwhelmingly cruel circumstances. AFter that, Mrs Rhodaji once again called me on the fateful day with the news that the Doctors have givenup the hopes. We have taken the prasna once more and while the things looked grim, we saw some ray of hope in the chart. However, some nimittas have indicated the worst to happen, which were pointed out. While no amount of explanations can be justified for a wrong prediction, I think this should be taken as a lesson for future. Infact, many people are trying to blame it on the wrong charts, but I think the real blaming should be onto the mindset of the astrologers, because so far as I know the chart is correct. There may be some problems with the Div charts but the basic D1 seems to be right. If I have looked deeper into the aspect of incapacitation, whether it would long or short, I think I would have found many answers. But if I were to be thinking wishfully, the short incapacitation would have been interpreted as that late Mahajan would be up and about again sooner, than later. In any case, I think while astrologers have lost, astrology has won once more giving us lessons in humility and reminding us once more that the correct reading of a chart is also Divine grace and you can sometimes miss even the obvious, being fooled into erraneous predictions. Kishore patnaik --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Yes I fully agree with Mr. Krishna Mohan. During the election campaign when Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated, I remember taking prasnas daily to see how astrology would predict the trends. Throughout, till the fateful day BJP was leading. Then on the fateful day morning the chart looked different. Suddenly there was a dip in BJP possibilities and "congress' chart showed "sadyomarana". Actually the mistake committed by me was while taking the prasna I said "Rajiv Gandhi" ( a subconscious substitution) instead of "congress" which was my usual samkalpa. I was puzzled and joked "Congress will explode!!". When at night I got the call of the event I was stunned. It was my habit to keep accurate notes with tapes. I cross checked and I noticed the use of the samkalpa "what is the trend for Rajiv Gandhi" not "Congress" on that particular day. All other days the question for prasna use to be "What is the trend for BJP" and "what is the trend for Congress"!! I was stunned at the accuracy. But then, I am not a professional astrologer or anything and now it has been years since I did astrology. Maybe I should re-start. It is normal and natural that mistakes occur due to the mindset of the astrologer his personal perception, likes and dislike etc. Hence the need for real detachment in prediction. - kishore mohan vedic astrology Saturday, May 06, 2006 10:16 AM [vedic astrology] Fwd: what went wrong in Mahajan's case , "kishore mohan" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear friends, I was in Kodai Kanal, visiting Babaji when I have received the phone call from a local BJP leader giving the news of Pramodji getting shot. Curiously, he was not knowing the full details including the fact that it is his brother who has shot him. When I have managed to take a prasna chart, I interpreted it as problems with brother and hidden enemies, which came out as correct. Since I never look for death in a chart, I have looked for health which was indicated as incapacitation. It was after a day or so, the problem was again put before me by Mrs Rhodaji, Hyderabad who is an eminent member of this group. We have taken one more prasna. The chart was extremely cruel and did not augur (I remember the Lagna to be scorpio) Yet, based some on my earlier chart and ostensibly some wishful thinking, we interpreted that as severe problems with lots of hope for recovery. Again, as it is my practice, I did not look for death. On presentation of his natal chart, I have seen the negative points to be as under: 1. With Sun, the third lord, in debilitation along with Ketu (aversion), the relationships with his brother will be ebbing low. It depends on the degree of the sun ie how deep is the fall to decide whether these relationships will be bad with all the younger siblings (or cousins) or not. 2. 8th Lord (betrayal) in 3rd(sibling) indicates deception by brother. 3. FRom the transits, you can see the Mercury who is the benefic is very weak at the moment is very weak being in debilitation and being RAhu. 4. BOth Mars and SAturn are at their worst in cruelity being in harming stars. Mars aspecting natal Mercury indicates attack on the body, aspecing 7th house indicates the event to take place due to his wife(perhaps here it means, in the presence of his wife)and aspecting 8th house indicates attack on his health and ayush. That SAturn is in 11th indicates that he would survive but that mars is aspecting very creully at his 8th house indicates his incapacitation for a very long time to come. These points are nothing new, all of which above are given in my earlier post. However, the points which I saw during the analysis but dismiised as inconsequential are the following 1. That Mercury would be going through Rasi sandhi. As Mercury is already in fall, what worse can be done? In fact, he is coming out of fall and it can not be bad for the native. 2. SAturn is the pratyak tara lord whose DAsa is currently going on. He indicates the betryal being the eighth lord and since he is eighth lord, he is likely to give ayush also against the Mars who is bent upon stealing his ayush. More over, he is in 11th House which will not allow him to do real bad. Interestingly, both these points become relevant and consequential and the entire logic will change by a single point which is Obvious and yet, I have failed to observe - that the transit of mercury will be into a fiery sign and into the enemy sign of Mars. Thus, the above two points become totally relevant as below 1. The rasi sandhi in the Aries, a fiery sign , would be highly dangerous,as it belongs to an enemy and to Mars, who is bent upon reducing the ayush of the native (as expalined as above) . During this half ghatika, Mercury will be totally ineffective. Interestingly, the moment Mercury has moved into Aries, Pramod Mahajan's body has stopped responding to the treatment. 2. No doubt, saturn being 8th Lord and being in 11th in transit, aspecting the natal Mercury will not kill even though being the pratyak tara. In fact, it is this aspect that has stopped from giving an instantaneous death to the native. However, as the Merucyr has moved into the Aries, natal Rahu the antardasa Lord is also in Aries and will accentuate the results of the Mars. Combined this with already the points which I have already mentioned above, we can see that saturn in 11th can atmost delay the death and once, Mercury has totally become weak, had to give in as the AyurKaraka in the face of overwhelmingly cruel circumstances. AFter that, Mrs Rhodaji once again called me on the fateful day with the news that the Doctors have givenup the hopes. We have taken the prasna once more and while the things looked grim, we saw some ray of hope in the chart. However, some nimittas have indicated the worst to happen, which were pointed out. While no amount of explanations can be justified for a wrong prediction, I think this should be taken as a lesson for future. Infact, many people are trying to blame it on the wrong charts, but I think the real blaming should be onto the mindset of the astrologers, because so far as I know the chart is correct. There may be some problems with the Div charts but the basic D1 seems to be right. If I have looked deeper into the aspect of incapacitation, whether it would long or short, I think I would have found many answers. But if I were to be thinking wishfully, the short incapacitation would have been interpreted as that late Mahajan would be up and about again sooner, than later. In any case, I think while astrologers have lost, astrology has won once more giving us lessons in humility and reminding us once more that the correct reading of a chart is also Divine grace and you can sometimes miss even the obvious, being fooled into erraneous predictions. Kishore patnaik --- End forwarded message --- ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software a.. Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. b.. vedic astrology c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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