Shri. Karunaakaram kindly refrain from passing sarcastic remarks unwarrantedly

April 21, 2006

Dear Shri. Karunaakaram:

I cannot comment on your intelligence or your knowledge of astrology

as I have not seen and tested you personally. But, you seem to lack

interpersonal skills and seem to rub too many people in the wrong way

unwarrantedly. I have been receiving many mails denouncing you to my

mail box ever since I posted rejoinder to your post......I will post

just one of them below; I would have refrained from doing so if you

had the decorum to avoid unnecessary controversies....You have dragged

me again....So, I think you deserve this public insult. Let other

members know about how you are unnecessarily chasing away good

contributors from the forum.....Below is the mail......

----

Dear Shri. Mohan Ram,

My name is Ramapriya (male not female!), and I'm a 39-yr old engineer

working in Dubai.

I stopped posting about a year or so ago on this forum because this

same Mr. Karunakaram made an unwarranted sarcastic remark and cited

that he was 70+ old and all that. I told him that though he was my

dad's age, he lacked my 7-yr old son's decorum and maturity. Needless

to say, I didn't hear from him.

Astrology doesn't necessarily have to come baggaged with monstrous

egos. Too bad some don't realize it.

I've myself begun my atmakaraka Moon dasa 3 months ago; let's see what

it'll do to me. I was born in Hubli, Karnataka on 10th July 67 @ 10.52

am.

Respects,

Ramapriya

mohan ram <mohanraaam wrote:

Dear Sir/ Madam:

Thanks for your feedback.

Regarding Shri. Karunaakaraam, I posted the rejoinder

only to ensure that his sarcastic mail does not

mislead other members of the forum because the topic

of baalaarishtam is a very important one, and

misconceptions in this regard should be cleared. Let

us pray that Mr. Karunaakaram gets the wisdom to

refrain from sarcastic and caustic rejoinders

unnecessarily.

YOu have done the right thing in having this

discussion with me in private because if it had been

aired in the forum, it might have started another

controversy!

Let us all share our knowledge and improve each other

in every way.

As Guruji often says "LET DIVINE GRACE GUIDE US"

Best regards,

Mohanraaam

----

I do not mind posting ALL the mails that denounced you, some even

calling you names like "egoistic pig", if you are intent on dragging

this further!

I have no ill-will towards you...But, probably someone needs to show

the dirt on your back to put you on the right track. I was given to

understand that you are younger to me, and so kindly take this as an

elder's advice to you. Of course, age is not the only criterion for

respect. That is why I show my deference to Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji

who is younger than even half my age! So, you can understand that I

do not have an empty ego based on mere age....I know where I stand

vis-a-vis other members of this forum. Guruji is towering above all

others, and of course there are other learned Gurus like Sanjayji,

Narasimhaji, Pandit Arjunji, Raghunatha Raoji, Sreenaadhji, and some

young and able astrological minds like Shri. Souvik Datta, etc. Learn

from these great minds. Have you ever seen any of these great

contributors debating anything uselessly or passing sarcastic remarks

on others unwarrantedly? Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji even ignored your

sarcastic remarks you passed regarding his Paaraayanam group which

were entirely unwarranted on your part......That is the typical

example of a learned Guru's behaviour!

We aged persons should set an example for others and not unnecessarily

drag others for unwarranted fights. Just because I made a reference

to my age, it does not make me shallow! I am ready to debate with you

on any of the classics at any time! I am anchored firmly in the

teachings of Guruji and life has taught more lessons than you could

ever learn! I hope you will learn to respect the feelings of others

and try to respect others for what they are.

Best regards,

Mohanraaam

vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM

<munisevitham wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Sri Mohanram,

>

> We are all the Listâ€˜s Astrologer members of the Vedic-astrological

forum, in the list our relationship is not that of a conciliator and

dependant (client), your contention about your clientsâ€™ panic is

unfounded .you are also aware of the fact that I am also one of

recipient of your message 73812 dt 17th April 2006, when you exercise

your options as a member to share your knowledge with others, you

should also realize that the members too have a right to discuss and

raise their queries for clarifications on whole / on selective points

on your write- up. This does not mean that the questioner is either

doubting about your ingenuity or he is an idiotic sundry book-worm .

Any crunching evasive out of context / subject, uncalled for

references made on age, past glory etc., would only reflect the

writersâ€™ shallowness in the subject of discussions. Thank you at

least now you have accepted the availability of another dictum that

the Jupiter, Venus, or Mercury placed in the

> kendraas would remove the baalaarishta dosham.

> As a humble student of English, I know the word logic - a science

that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference

and demonstration but not getting at â€œinferential logic â€œ. I know

that Sages shall not employ repetitive words as they imply a negative

sense.Does this also apply to .....

>

> mohanraaam <mohanraaam wrote: To Shri. Karunaakaram:

>

> The referrence to threat from fevers or other heat related diseases

> was on a specific combination if you read my mail carefully. YOu

seem

> to have selectively picked up and quoting me out of context.

>

> Secondly, every child would "experience" illness like fevers or

even

> infectious diseases....but not every child will be "threatened" by

> those. Heat or heat related diseases include even some viral

fevers

> that are life-threatening, fevers that ultimately sap into the

> vitality of the child,etc. Not every child that experiences a

fever

> dies due to that! One of the major principles of astrology is NOT

TO

> LET THE CLIENTS PANIC and to convey the truth as diplomatically as

> possible. This is what I have done, and you seem to be unaware of

it.

> Hard words like "death penalty for self or close relatives" may

create

> unnecessary confusion and panic in an open forum like this. The

actual

> results have been given for the guidance of the astrologer to find

out

> which relative is likely to be affected by the dosham and what

> remedies can prevent that untoward incidents.

>

> Again, it is not as if "Baalaarishta dosham" is a death penalty....

It

> is not final.....It is subject to various moderating influences.

> Baalaarishta dosham does not always lead to death, but it may

create

> troublesome circumstances. Only this can be said with surety. If

the

> horoscopes of the concerned relative is strong, the baalaarishta

> dosham of the child cannot affect the relative. When remedies can

> actually mitigate the suffering, what is the point in unnecessarily

> creating a negative affect in the family? Countless are the

instances

> when innocent children are hated because some idiotic astrologer

> predicted the child is dangerous to mother/ father or uncle and

> thereby affecting family relationships.

>

> Regarding your query, whether any classic specifically says only

Guru

> in lagna is effective in removing baalaarishta doshams, it is

> inferrential logic. If you read the rules dealing with

cancellation

> of baalarishta dosham, you will find that there is a specific

dictum

> that states "Jupiter strongly placed in the lagna removes all

> afflictions". There will be another dictum stating that benefics

like

> Jupiter, Venus, or Mercury strongly placed in the kendraas remove

the

> baalaarishta dosham. Sages never repeat their rules without good

> reason. When the sages have speficially picked out the lagna

kendram,

> they imply that lagna kendram is the most powerful one in removing

the

> baalaarishta yogam unconditionally. The other placements are

subject

> to moderating influences. If astrology can be practised only by

> reading rules every tom dick and harry will be a successful

> astrologer.....It required inferential logic to understand the

saying

> of the ancient sages.

>

> I am an eighty year old man and with my experience I have actually

> seen how the doshams operate in various horoscopes, what results

they

> can actually give, and how to apply the principles stated in the

> classics in reality and whatever I say is a valuable lesson gleamed

> from practical experience combined with years of patient study.

> Baalaarishta does not always lead to death. YOu are free to take

it

> or leave it.

>

> Blessed be.

> Mohanraaam.

>

> ogy, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I was under the impression that Baalaarishta dosha inflects

death

> penalty either to self / mother/father / to all the three referred

to

> above / maternal uncle or co-borns.But however I am given to learn

> from your advise that Child born with Baalaarishta dosha are only

> threatened by fevers or other heat diseases. Your message seems to

be

> something unique as no child would survive with out experiencing

any

> illness before the age of eight years. Do you mean to say that

every

> child born is crippled with Baalaarishta dosha?

> > Further you were advocating that only Jupiter in Lagna kendra

> could alone cancel the said dosha? Do the scriptures say that

Jupiter

> becomes ONLY powerful in Lagna Kendra alone? Or does it become

> comparatively more powerful in Lagna Kendra than all other Kendra?

> Does any the scripture specifically say that Jupiter in the Lagna

> kendra could alone cancel Baalaarishta dosha? Please kindly

expand.

> >

> > I wish your reentry to the list may bring about a renaissance

to

> Vedic-Astrology.

> >

> > mohanraaam <mohanraaam@> wrote: I am posting after a long time

> in this forum due to the good offices

> > of Narayanji - a moderator in this group who gave me the

> opportunity

> > to post my messages again after intervention from Guruji himself

on

> my

> > behalf and also due to the appeal of many fellow members. My

> sincere

> > thanks to all the good souls who have enabled me to join this

group

> > again and my pranaams to Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji who took up

this

> > issue personally to ensure my resubscription. Now regarding the

> query

> > of Shri. Sunil:

> >

> > Shri Sunil has asked Guruji,

> > "-- In vedic astrology, "divinity_sun"

> <divinity_sun@

> > ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Dakshinamoorthiji,

> > >

> > > I needed an advice about a girl child born on the 19th of

January

> > > 2006 in Ernakulam, Kerala at 7:52 AM.

> > >

> > > The Lagna is Capricorn with the eighth lord sun in it.

> > > Saturn the lord of 1 and 2 is in 7

> > > Moon the 7th Lord is in 8.

> > > Jupiter is in 10th

> > > Vnus and mercury in 12

> > > Rahu 3, Ketu in 9

> > > and Mars in 8th.

> > >

> > > Nakshatra is Pooram and the balance dasa is for 1 year and 3

> months.

> > > She then runs Sun and the moon dasa.

> > >

> > > Balaarishta is present according to me. Please advice?

> > >

> > > Also what should the remedial procedure be in this case? I

> request

> > > you to kindly mention your views on this matter.

> > >

> > > With warm regards"

> >

> > Dear Shri. Sunil:

> >

> > In the horoscope you have mentioned Baalaarishta is there in the

> > horoscope due to the following reasons:

> >

> > 1) Moon is in the 8th house without any aspect. This indicates

> danger

> > through water. 5th and 8th years could be particularly

dangerous

> in

> > this regard.

> >

> > 2) Sun - the lord of the 8th house is in the ascendant without

> aspect

> > of benefics and also Moon (considered a malefic in this

horoscope

> as

> > it is in waning phase) is in the 8th house, and Ketu another

> malefic

> > is in the 9th house.

> >

> > 3) The lord of the ascendant- Saturn is regrograde in neutral

> house;

> > Lord of the Moon sign - Sun is also in Capricorn - the house of

his

> > greatest enemy. These combinations give threat to longevity in

the

> > 1st and 4th years of life. The child may be threatened by

fevers

> or

> > other heat diseases.

> >

> > 4) Though Jupiter can be said to be in a quadrant, mere strong

> > position of Jupiter is not enough to cancel the Baalaarishta

dosha;

> > its avasthas should also be considered. Jupiter is in vriddha

> avastha

> > (old age) which is not very auspicious inspite of the planet

being

> in

> > its own star (Visakham). The positions of other benefics like

> Venus

> > and Mercury are also not very auspicious. Under such

conditions,

> only

> > Jupiter in the Lagna can cancel this dosha. Here,

unfortunately,

> > Jupiter is in the 10th house and not in the lagna.

> >

> > So, Baalaarishta is there in this horoscope. Performance of

> "Aayush

> > Homam" every year on the child's birth star will ensure removal

of

> > baalarishta dosha. Offering "Alroopam" in Shri Guruvayur temple

> and

> > "rice tulaabhaaram" on the first birth day of the child will be

> > remedies for this baalaarishta dosha.

> >

> > Incidentally, Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji has proposed to write a

> slokham

> > to remove baalaarishta dosham in his Paaraayanam group when I

asked

> > him about the remedial slokham for removal of baalaarishta

dosham.

> > Guruji may upload it any time. Kindly visit the group http://

> groups.

> > Paaraayanam for reading the slokha.

> >

> > I hope I have made a good start by helping out in finding the

> dosham

> > in a child's horoscope and suggesting the appropriate remedy.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Mohanraaam

> >

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April 21, 2006

Dear All,

I am a well wisher of this forum and finds it as a useful stage where we can

interact with the learned gurujis and fellow astrologers on astrological

subject. It helps me a lot to learn more and more.

Please note that all the people may not be good in the medium of communication

(English) and by the time they express their ideas, it may look funny for others

to read it. Would therefore advise all not to take the meaning verbatim and

understand only the essense what was intended to be communicated. This will

help in avoiding exchange of temperamental rockets aimed at fellow astrologers

who are only trying to bring out their analytical view point. If the career

profile of all the members are made available for reference, perhaps that may

give a chance for everybody to understand and respect each other and utilise

their time and energy for the promotion of this sacred science.

As for me, I do not mind getting fired by gurujis for lack of knowledge,

provided they correct and guide me with their wisdon.

I believe, here is the proper time for our moderators to step in. Any use of

improper and indecent use of language need to censured and such messages need

not appear in this site at all. If anybody has so much abundant energy to waste

in fighting it can be a person to person e-mail exchange rather than through

this forum.

The learned gurujis may please pardon me for this message, my only intention

is to express my idea how to honour the sanctity of this forum where this divine

science of Astrology is being dealt with.

As for Shri. Mohanramji, I had seen lot of his messages which were quite

educative and had personally requested the moderators to consider his case

sympathetically. He again being picked up into another string of unpleasant

controversies is not felt in the right earnest and hence this expression of

personal view. One need to learn to respect others with better knowledge rather

than launching temperamental rockets to win over.

Hope all others will support my views for upholding the true value of this

forum.

Finally please excuse me for writing such a mail. I am Admn Officer of a

reputed firm in UAE, aged 57 and hence consider fit enough to express my

sentiments, perhaps it may help others to realise their satwic qualities.

Regards,

Ravi Nair

mohanraaam <mohanraaam wrote: