Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya Thank you Master J for the detailed response you have given. Actually I am a novice trying to experiment on a chart and learning the Parivartana yoga. The placement I have given regarding the Sat- Venus and Moon is in the Saptamsha chart. I was trying to analyze what would be results or what would be the prediction when the below combination exists. As per the notes exchanged in this group ( sjcnotes and book1.cd of PVR's students), cojoin of planets gives the result of the cojoined planet and overrides the effects of the lord of the planet in question and the house. So here in this case Saturn is cojoined Exalted Moon but is in Parivartana with Venus. So would the prediction from the Saptamsa be a male or a female progeny?. I am thinking it would be a male progeny. I am producing below the Rasi Chart and the Saptamsha Chart with the planets co- ordinates. +--------------+ | | |SaR |Ke GL | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Mo | |AL | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| |HL | |Ve | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ju Ra |As Md |Su Me |Ma | | |Gk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Jye 1 Sc Sg Sun - GK 2 Li 23' 26.54" Chit 3 Li Li Moon - PiK 16 Aq 04' 52.40" Sata 3 Aq Aq Mars - MK 18 Vi 18' 51.50" Hast 3 Vi Ge Mercury - BK 20 Li 58' 01.39" Visa 1 Li Ar Jupiter - PK 9 Sg 23' 53.44" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - AmK 22 Le 33' 54.31" PPha 3 Le Li Saturn ® - AK 26 Ta 51' 56.05" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Rahu - DK 27 Sg 40' 50.36" USha 1 Sg Sg Ketu 27 Ge 40' 50.36" Puna 3 Ge Ge Maandi 23 Sc 13' 14.71" Jye 2 Sc Cp Gulika 13 Sc 17' 18.56" Anu 3 Sc Li Bhava Lagna 20 Sc 20' 00.33" Jye 2 Sc Cp Hora Lagna 8 Cp 24' 31.69" USha 4 Cp Pi Ghati Lagna 2 Ge 38' 05.78" Mrig 3 Ge Li Vighati Lagna 3 Ge 45' 56.22" Mrig 4 Ge Sc Varnada Lagna 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Sc Sree Lagna 1 Le 20' 15.23" Magh 1 Le Ar Pranapada Lagna 3 Ge 53' 53.78" Mrig 4 Ge Sc Indu Lagna 16 Ta 04' 52.40" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Dhooma 15 Aq 43' 26.54" Sata 3 Aq Aq Vyatipata 14 Ta 16' 33.46" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Parivesha 14 Sc 16' 33.46" Anu 4 Sc Sc Indra Chapa 15 Le 43' 26.54" PPha 1 Le Le Upaketu 2 Vi 23' 26.54" UPha 2 Vi Cp Kaala 4 Cp 30' 59.17" USha 3 Cp Aq Mrityu 23 Aq 14' 42.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar Artha Prahara 19 Pi 45' 31.61" Reva 1 Pi Sg Yama Ghantaka 12 Li 48' 13.73" Swat 2 Li Cp Prana Sphuta 9 Cp 00' 40.28" USha 4 Cp Pi Deha Sphuta 21 Sc 56' 17.78" Jye 2 Sc Cp Mrityu Sphuta 5 Aq 24' 36.44" Dhan 4 Aq Sc Sookshma TriSphuta 6 Cn 21' 34.50" Push 1 Cn Le TriSphuta 16 Ta 30' 51.31" Rohi 2 Ta Ta ChatusSphuta 18 Sc 54' 17.84" Jye 1 Sc Sg PanchaSphuta 16 Le 35' 08.20" PPha 1 Le Le V2 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq V3 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi V4 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq V5 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Sc V6 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li V7 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Cn V8 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq V9 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi V10 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq V11 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Cn V12 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li Kunda 8 Ta 42' 27.94" Krit 4 Ta Pi +--------------+ | | |Mo SaR |Ra GL | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Me Ju | |Ma AL | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Saptamsa | | |-----------| |-----------| |Ve | D-7 |HL Gk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ke | |Su Md |As | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ Body Longitude (in D-7) Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 0 Vi 00' 42.41" UPha 2 Vi Cp Sun - BK 16 Li 44' 05.76" Swat 4 Li Pi Moon - AmK 22 Ta 34' 06.82" Rohi 4 Ta Cn Mars - PiK 8 Cn 12' 00.48" Push 2 Cn Vi Mercury - AK 26 Aq 46' 09.71" PBha 3 Aq Ge Jupiter - DK 5 Aq 47' 14.10" Dhan 4 Aq Sc Venus - GK 7 Cp 57' 20.17" USha 4 Cp Pi Saturn ® - PK 8 Ta 03' 32.36" Krit 4 Ta Pi Rahu - MK 13 Ge 45' 52.50" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Ketu 13 Sg 45' 52.50" PSha 1 Sg Le Maandi 12 Li 32' 43.00" Swat 2 Li Cp Gulika 3 Le 01' 09.90" Magh 1 Le Ar Bhava Lagna 22 Vi 20' 02.32" Hast 4 Vi Cn Hora Lagna 28 Le 51' 41.86" UPha 1 Le Sg Ghati Lagna 18 Ge 26' 40.47" Ardr 4 Ge Pi Vighati Lagna 26 Ge 21' 33.52" Puna 2 Ge Ta Varnada Lagna 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li Sree Lagna 9 Le 21' 46.62" Magh 3 Le Ge Pranapada Lagna 27 Ge 17' 16.49" Puna 3 Ge Ge Indu Lagna 22 Aq 34' 06.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar Dhooma 20 Ta 04' 05.76" Rohi 4 Ta Cn Vyatipata 9 Aq 55' 54.24" Sata 1 Aq Sg Parivesha 9 Le 55' 54.24" Magh 3 Le Ge Indra Chapa 20 Sc 04' 05.76" Jye 2 Sc Cp Upaketu 16 Pi 44' 05.76" Reva 1 Pi Sg Kaala 1 Le 36' 54.19" Magh 1 Le Ar Mrityu 12 Cn 42' 59.73" Push 3 Cn Li Artha Prahara 18 Cp 18' 41.26" Srav 3 Cp Ge Yama Ghantaka 29 Sg 37' 36.13" USha 1 Sg Sg Prana Sphuta 3 Vi 04' 41.97" UPha 2 Vi Cp Deha Sphuta 3 Li 34' 04.48" Chit 4 Li Sc Mrityu Sphuta 7 Pi 52' 15.05" UBha 2 Pi Vi Sookshma TriSphuta 14 Aq 31' 01.50" Sata 3 Aq Aq TriSphuta 25 Aq 35' 59.14" PBha 2 Aq Ta ChatusSphuta 12 Vi 20' 04.89" Hast 1 Vi Ar PanchaSphuta 26 Sc 05' 57.40" Jye 3 Sc Aq V2 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn V3 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li V4 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn V5 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li V6 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn V7 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li V8 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn V9 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li V10 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn V11 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li V12 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn Kunda 0 Cp 57' 15.61" USha 2 Cp Cp Thanks & Regards /Akash.. vedic astrology, MasterJ <rivolena wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Sir, pertaining to your query, the parivartana in this case, refers to exchange of signs via lordship. Both Venus and Sani have a vested interest in protecting the affairs of their respective houses. Here in this case, both are mutual friends and the co- operation would be high. Moon does not come into the picture as it is not involved in the exchange of signs, still it could covey some of the results for reasons which i will state later. > > Depending on the degrees of the planet, whether there is a graha yuddha and so on, the graha's could be modified. Remember this is in effect a sadesani at birth. But Moon's exhaltion would significantly lessen the impact. Additonally, Saturn's exchange with Venus, will give reason to protect the significations of the bhava and the graha that is placed therin. But the parivartana yoga is still between venus and saturn and the results would be there throughout the life. Now if either the planet is a yogakaraka, then one or the other can still contribute the results during the dasa/bhukti period. If it is a raja youga brougth abt by a link bet kona and kendra lord's then the respective dasha periods would that out....however remember parivartana here is permanent. There will be also an exchange of tatwa, prithvi and vayu. > > Moon's dasha or bukti or venus bukti can give the effects of exhalted moon or lordship, venus here is the subhapati and it is in quadrant to the moon, a very favourable 4,10 positon. > > As for the degree of Saturn's influence would depend on how far there are to each other, and whether there are overiding factors such as aspects. Check also whether Saturn rules kendras, in which case, it's maleficience lessens. > Even if there are some saturine influences, moon here is very strong, as not only is it exhalted, but Subapati, the lord of the moon sign is involved in a very powerfull yoga. Do check whether, saturn and venus rules either quadrants and trines, in which case, raja yoga can being fruition. > before going into Saptamsa chart see, whether saturn or venus are in any way linked with the fifth lord.Then look at Saptamsa chart and analyse the yoga, with reference from the lagna. Do also check if naisarigika putra karaka jupiteris involved with the parivartana. > > > > J > > baksh5 <avbhat2005 wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Heartfelt greetings to all. > > I had a question on Parivartana. In a particular case where I was > viewing the chart in which Venus was in Capricon and Saturn was in > Taurus cojoined with Exalted Moon. > > So if the lord happens to be Saturn, then its in Parivartana with > Venus in Capricon. But does this parivartana also affect the Exalted > Moon?. Or is the final result given by the Exalted moon. > > What would be the prediction in the above case? if the chart is a > Saptamsa Chart. Will the prediction be based on the Parivartana of the > Sat-Venus or the Exalted moon? > > With Regards > /Akash.. > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > > > Movies - Search movie info and celeb profiles and photos. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Sir, There are several points you raised. 1. parivartana yoga-planets lording it or grahas therein, which would have a greater influence. 2. graha yuti or combinations and the importance of degrees.. The point that i would like to make is that a lord of a bhava is tasked to protect the significations of the bhava and not the graha therin. Graha's shows the desire of a planet to cause an effect. They are like a tenant, while the lord is the land lord. Graha's will certainly modify the result of a house, but look for yogas and among yogas,parivartana yoga is one of the strongest, because signifiations of 2 bhavas are augmented by exchange, even if the respective planets are malefics. It is like some sort of mutual understanding, a stand off. So the lord is the most important player in this respect. The conjunction of saturn with moon, will note erode or in anyway diminish saturn's power. Saturn which is the atama karaka. and the fifth lord in saptamsa,is placed in fifth and a trine. The child will certainly be a blessing from God. Venus as fifth lord suggests female child, moon placed in taurus, likewise suggests..So first child would likely be female and child would be very pretty.Saturn is a functional benefic, so is unlikely to be adverse for the child. 2nd child is also likely, which would most likely be a boy. Bcos, jupiter, which is the natural putrakaraka and fifth lord in rasi is also the chara putrakaraka and is placed in the sign of the atma karaka.. God bless J baksh5 <avbhat2005 wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Thank you Master J for the detailed response you have given. Actually I am a novice trying to experiment on a chart and learning the Parivartana yoga. The placement I have given regarding the Sat- Venus and Moon is in the Saptamsha chart. I was trying to analyze what would be results or what would be the prediction when the below combination exists. As per the notes exchanged in this group ( sjcnotes and book1.cd of PVR's students), cojoin of planets gives the result of the cojoined planet and overrides the effects of the lord of the planet in question and the house. So here in this case Saturn is cojoined Exalted Moon but is in Parivartana with Venus. So would the prediction from the Saptamsa be a male or a female progeny?. I am thinking it would be a male progeny. I am producing below the Rasi Chart and the Saptamsha Chart with the planets co- ordinates. +--------------+ | | |SaR |Ke GL | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Mo | |AL | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| |HL | |Ve | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ju Ra |As Md |Su Me |Ma | | |Gk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Jye 1 Sc Sg Sun - GK 2 Li 23' 26.54" Chit 3 Li Li Moon - PiK 16 Aq 04' 52.40" Sata 3 Aq Aq Mars - MK 18 Vi 18' 51.50" Hast 3 Vi Ge Mercury - BK 20 Li 58' 01.39" Visa 1 Li Ar Jupiter - PK 9 Sg 23' 53.44" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - AmK 22 Le 33' 54.31" PPha 3 Le Li Saturn ® - AK 26 Ta 51' 56.05" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Rahu - DK 27 Sg 40' 50.36" USha 1 Sg Sg Ketu 27 Ge 40' 50.36" Puna 3 Ge Ge Maandi 23 Sc 13' 14.71" Jye 2 Sc Cp Gulika 13 Sc 17' 18.56" Anu 3 Sc Li Bhava Lagna 20 Sc 20' 00.33" Jye 2 Sc Cp Hora Lagna 8 Cp 24' 31.69" USha 4 Cp Pi Ghati Lagna 2 Ge 38' 05.78" Mrig 3 Ge Li Vighati Lagna 3 Ge 45' 56.22" Mrig 4 Ge Sc Varnada Lagna 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Sc Sree Lagna 1 Le 20' 15.23" Magh 1 Le Ar Pranapada Lagna 3 Ge 53' 53.78" Mrig 4 Ge Sc Indu Lagna 16 Ta 04' 52.40" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Dhooma 15 Aq 43' 26.54" Sata 3 Aq Aq Vyatipata 14 Ta 16' 33.46" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Parivesha 14 Sc 16' 33.46" Anu 4 Sc Sc Indra Chapa 15 Le 43' 26.54" PPha 1 Le Le Upaketu 2 Vi 23' 26.54" UPha 2 Vi Cp Kaala 4 Cp 30' 59.17" USha 3 Cp Aq Mrityu 23 Aq 14' 42.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar Artha Prahara 19 Pi 45' 31.61" Reva 1 Pi Sg Yama Ghantaka 12 Li 48' 13.73" Swat 2 Li Cp Prana Sphuta 9 Cp 00' 40.28" USha 4 Cp Pi Deha Sphuta 21 Sc 56' 17.78" Jye 2 Sc Cp Mrityu Sphuta 5 Aq 24' 36.44" Dhan 4 Aq Sc Sookshma TriSphuta 6 Cn 21' 34.50" Push 1 Cn Le TriSphuta 16 Ta 30' 51.31" Rohi 2 Ta Ta ChatusSphuta 18 Sc 54' 17.84" Jye 1 Sc Sg PanchaSphuta 16 Le 35' 08.20" PPha 1 Le Le V2 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq V3 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi V4 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq V5 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Sc V6 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li V7 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Cn V8 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq V9 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi V10 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq V11 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Cn V12 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li Kunda 8 Ta 42' 27.94" Krit 4 Ta Pi +--------------+ | | |Mo SaR |Ra GL | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Me Ju | |Ma AL | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Saptamsa | | |-----------| |-----------| |Ve | D-7 |HL Gk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ke | |Su Md |As | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ Body Longitude (in D-7) Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 0 Vi 00' 42.41" UPha 2 Vi Cp Sun - BK 16 Li 44' 05.76" Swat 4 Li Pi Moon - AmK 22 Ta 34' 06.82" Rohi 4 Ta Cn Mars - PiK 8 Cn 12' 00.48" Push 2 Cn Vi Mercury - AK 26 Aq 46' 09.71" PBha 3 Aq Ge Jupiter - DK 5 Aq 47' 14.10" Dhan 4 Aq Sc Venus - GK 7 Cp 57' 20.17" USha 4 Cp Pi Saturn ® - PK 8 Ta 03' 32.36" Krit 4 Ta Pi Rahu - MK 13 Ge 45' 52.50" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Ketu 13 Sg 45' 52.50" PSha 1 Sg Le Maandi 12 Li 32' 43.00" Swat 2 Li Cp Gulika 3 Le 01' 09.90" Magh 1 Le Ar Bhava Lagna 22 Vi 20' 02.32" Hast 4 Vi Cn Hora Lagna 28 Le 51' 41.86" UPha 1 Le Sg Ghati Lagna 18 Ge 26' 40.47" Ardr 4 Ge Pi Vighati Lagna 26 Ge 21' 33.52" Puna 2 Ge Ta Varnada Lagna 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li Sree Lagna 9 Le 21' 46.62" Magh 3 Le Ge Pranapada Lagna 27 Ge 17' 16.49" Puna 3 Ge Ge Indu Lagna 22 Aq 34' 06.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar Dhooma 20 Ta 04' 05.76" Rohi 4 Ta Cn Vyatipata 9 Aq 55' 54.24" Sata 1 Aq Sg Parivesha 9 Le 55' 54.24" Magh 3 Le Ge Indra Chapa 20 Sc 04' 05.76" Jye 2 Sc Cp Upaketu 16 Pi 44' 05.76" Reva 1 Pi Sg Kaala 1 Le 36' 54.19" Magh 1 Le Ar Mrityu 12 Cn 42' 59.73" Push 3 Cn Li Artha Prahara 18 Cp 18' 41.26" Srav 3 Cp Ge Yama Ghantaka 29 Sg 37' 36.13" USha 1 Sg Sg Prana Sphuta 3 Vi 04' 41.97" UPha 2 Vi Cp Deha Sphuta 3 Li 34' 04.48" Chit 4 Li Sc Mrityu Sphuta 7 Pi 52' 15.05" UBha 2 Pi Vi Sookshma TriSphuta 14 Aq 31' 01.50" Sata 3 Aq Aq TriSphuta 25 Aq 35' 59.14" PBha 2 Aq Ta ChatusSphuta 12 Vi 20' 04.89" Hast 1 Vi Ar PanchaSphuta 26 Sc 05' 57.40" Jye 3 Sc Aq V2 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn V3 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li V4 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn V5 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li V6 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn V7 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li V8 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn V9 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li V10 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn V11 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li V12 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn Kunda 0 Cp 57' 15.61" USha 2 Cp Cp Thanks & Regards /Akash.. vedic astrology, MasterJ wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Sir, pertaining to your query, the parivartana in this case, refers to exchange of signs via lordship. Both Venus and Sani have a vested interest in protecting the affairs of their respective houses. Here in this case, both are mutual friends and the co- operation would be high. Moon does not come into the picture as it is not involved in the exchange of signs, still it could covey some of the results for reasons which i will state later. > > Depending on the degrees of the planet, whether there is a graha yuddha and so on, the graha's could be modified. Remember this is in effect a sadesani at birth. But Moon's exhaltion would significantly lessen the impact. Additonally, Saturn's exchange with Venus, will give reason to protect the significations of the bhava and the graha that is placed therin. But the parivartana yoga is still between venus and saturn and the results would be there throughout the life. Now if either the planet is a yogakaraka, then one or the other can still contribute the results during the dasa/bhukti period. If it is a raja youga brougth abt by a link bet kona and kendra lord's then the respective dasha periods would that out....however remember parivartana here is permanent. There will be also an exchange of tatwa, prithvi and vayu. > > Moon's dasha or bukti or venus bukti can give the effects of exhalted moon or lordship, venus here is the subhapati and it is in quadrant to the moon, a very favourable 4,10 positon. > > As for the degree of Saturn's influence would depend on how far there are to each other, and whether there are overiding factors such as aspects. Check also whether Saturn rules kendras, in which case, it's maleficience lessens. > Even if there are some saturine influences, moon here is very strong, as not only is it exhalted, but Subapati, the lord of the moon sign is involved in a very powerfull yoga. Do check whether, saturn and venus rules either quadrants and trines, in which case, raja yoga can being fruition. > before going into Saptamsa chart see, whether saturn or venus are in any way linked with the fifth lord.Then look at Saptamsa chart and analyse the yoga, with reference from the lagna. Do also check if naisarigika putra karaka jupiteris involved with the parivartana. > > > > J > > baksh5 wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Heartfelt greetings to all. > > I had a question on Parivartana. In a particular case where I was > viewing the chart in which Venus was in Capricon and Saturn was in > Taurus cojoined with Exalted Moon. > > So if the lord happens to be Saturn, then its in Parivartana with > Venus in Capricon. But does this parivartana also affect the Exalted > Moon?. Or is the final result given by the Exalted moon. > > What would be the prediction in the above case? if the chart is a > Saptamsa Chart. Will the prediction be based on the Parivartana of the > Sat-Venus or the Exalted moon? > > With Regards > /Akash.. > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > > > Movies - Search movie info and celeb profiles and photos. > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya, Thanks again Master J for clearing my doubts on parivartana Yoga. It is indeed a strong yoga and sometimes tricky to understand how it applies and the effects it gives.. Continuing further on that, will the same parivartana again apply when the 9th lord which is Sat( Capri) is cojoined with Exalted Moon in Taurus, the lord of which Venus is in Capri?. What would be the prediction in this case?. I will check back with the person's chart and confirm on your below analysis. Thanks Again. With Regards /Akash... vedic astrology, MasterJ <rivolena wrote: > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Sir, > > There are several points you raised. > > 1. parivartana yoga-planets lording it or grahas therein, which would have a greater influence. > > 2. graha yuti or combinations and the importance of degrees.. > > The point that i would like to make is that a lord of a bhava is tasked to protect the significations of the bhava and not the graha therin. Graha's shows the desire of a planet to cause an effect. They are like a tenant, while the lord is the land lord. Graha's will certainly modify the result of a house, but look for yogas and among yogas,parivartana yoga is one of the strongest, because signifiations of 2 bhavas are augmented by exchange, even if the respective planets are malefics. It is like some sort of mutual understanding, a stand off. > So the lord is the most important player in this respect. The conjunction of saturn with moon, will note erode or in anyway diminish saturn's power. Saturn which is the atama karaka. and the fifth lord in saptamsa,is placed in fifth and a trine. The child will certainly be a blessing from God. Venus as fifth lord suggests female child, moon placed in taurus, likewise suggests..So first child would likely be female and child would be very pretty.Saturn is a functional benefic, so is unlikely to be adverse for the child. 2nd child is also likely, which would most likely be a boy. Bcos, jupiter, which is the natural putrakaraka and fifth lord in rasi is also the chara putrakaraka and is placed in the sign of the atma karaka.. > > God bless > > J > > > > baksh5 <avbhat2005 wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya > > Thank you Master J for the detailed response you have given. > > Actually I am a novice trying to experiment on a chart and learning > the Parivartana yoga. The placement I have given regarding the Sat- > Venus and Moon is in the Saptamsha chart. I was trying to analyze > what would be results or what would be the prediction when the below > combination exists. As per the notes exchanged in this group ( > sjcnotes and book1.cd of PVR's students), cojoin of planets gives > the result of the cojoined planet and overrides the effects of the > lord of the planet in question and the house. So here in this case > Saturn is cojoined Exalted Moon but is in Parivartana with Venus. So > would the prediction from the Saptamsa be a male or a female > progeny?. I am thinking it would be a male progeny. I am producing > below the Rasi Chart and the Saptamsha Chart with the planets co- > ordinates. > > +--------------+ > | | |SaR |Ke GL | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Mo | |AL | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > |HL | |Ve | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Ju Ra |As Md |Su Me |Ma | > | |Gk | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > Lagna 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Jye 1 Sc Sg > Sun - GK 2 Li 23' 26.54" Chit 3 Li Li > Moon - PiK 16 Aq 04' 52.40" Sata 3 Aq Aq > Mars - MK 18 Vi 18' 51.50" Hast 3 Vi Ge > Mercury - BK 20 Li 58' 01.39" Visa 1 Li Ar > Jupiter - PK 9 Sg 23' 53.44" Mool 3 Sg Ge > Venus - AmK 22 Le 33' 54.31" PPha 3 Le Li > Saturn ® - AK 26 Ta 51' 56.05" Mrig 2 Ta Vi > Rahu - DK 27 Sg 40' 50.36" USha 1 Sg Sg > Ketu 27 Ge 40' 50.36" Puna 3 Ge Ge > Maandi 23 Sc 13' 14.71" Jye 2 Sc Cp > Gulika 13 Sc 17' 18.56" Anu 3 Sc Li > Bhava Lagna 20 Sc 20' 00.33" Jye 2 Sc Cp > Hora Lagna 8 Cp 24' 31.69" USha 4 Cp Pi > Ghati Lagna 2 Ge 38' 05.78" Mrig 3 Ge Li > Vighati Lagna 3 Ge 45' 56.22" Mrig 4 Ge Sc > Varnada Lagna 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Sc > Sree Lagna 1 Le 20' 15.23" Magh 1 Le Ar > Pranapada Lagna 3 Ge 53' 53.78" Mrig 4 Ge Sc > Indu Lagna 16 Ta 04' 52.40" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > Dhooma 15 Aq 43' 26.54" Sata 3 Aq Aq > Vyatipata 14 Ta 16' 33.46" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > Parivesha 14 Sc 16' 33.46" Anu 4 Sc Sc > Indra Chapa 15 Le 43' 26.54" PPha 1 Le Le > Upaketu 2 Vi 23' 26.54" UPha 2 Vi Cp > Kaala 4 Cp 30' 59.17" USha 3 Cp Aq > Mrityu 23 Aq 14' 42.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar > Artha Prahara 19 Pi 45' 31.61" Reva 1 Pi Sg > Yama Ghantaka 12 Li 48' 13.73" Swat 2 Li Cp > Prana Sphuta 9 Cp 00' 40.28" USha 4 Cp Pi > Deha Sphuta 21 Sc 56' 17.78" Jye 2 Sc Cp > Mrityu Sphuta 5 Aq 24' 36.44" Dhan 4 Aq Sc > Sookshma TriSphuta 6 Cn 21' 34.50" Push 1 Cn Le > TriSphuta 16 Ta 30' 51.31" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > ChatusSphuta 18 Sc 54' 17.84" Jye 1 Sc Sg > PanchaSphuta 16 Le 35' 08.20" PPha 1 Le Le > V2 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq > V3 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi > V4 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq > V5 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Sc > V6 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li > V7 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Cn > V8 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq > V9 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi > V10 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq > V11 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Cn > V12 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li > Kunda 8 Ta 42' 27.94" Krit 4 Ta Pi > > +--------------+ > | | |Mo SaR |Ra GL | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Me Ju | |Ma AL | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | Saptamsa | | > |-----------| |-----------| > |Ve | D-7 |HL Gk | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Ke | |Su Md |As | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > Body Longitude (in D-7) Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > Lagna 0 Vi 00' 42.41" UPha 2 Vi Cp > Sun - BK 16 Li 44' 05.76" Swat 4 Li Pi > Moon - AmK 22 Ta 34' 06.82" Rohi 4 Ta Cn > Mars - PiK 8 Cn 12' 00.48" Push 2 Cn Vi > Mercury - AK 26 Aq 46' 09.71" PBha 3 Aq Ge > Jupiter - DK 5 Aq 47' 14.10" Dhan 4 Aq Sc > Venus - GK 7 Cp 57' 20.17" USha 4 Cp Pi > Saturn ® - PK 8 Ta 03' 32.36" Krit 4 Ta Pi > Rahu - MK 13 Ge 45' 52.50" Ardr 3 Ge Aq > Ketu 13 Sg 45' 52.50" PSha 1 Sg Le > Maandi 12 Li 32' 43.00" Swat 2 Li Cp > Gulika 3 Le 01' 09.90" Magh 1 Le Ar > Bhava Lagna 22 Vi 20' 02.32" Hast 4 Vi Cn > Hora Lagna 28 Le 51' 41.86" UPha 1 Le Sg > Ghati Lagna 18 Ge 26' 40.47" Ardr 4 Ge Pi > Vighati Lagna 26 Ge 21' 33.52" Puna 2 Ge Ta > Varnada Lagna 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li > Sree Lagna 9 Le 21' 46.62" Magh 3 Le Ge > Pranapada Lagna 27 Ge 17' 16.49" Puna 3 Ge Ge > Indu Lagna 22 Aq 34' 06.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar > Dhooma 20 Ta 04' 05.76" Rohi 4 Ta Cn > Vyatipata 9 Aq 55' 54.24" Sata 1 Aq Sg > Parivesha 9 Le 55' 54.24" Magh 3 Le Ge > Indra Chapa 20 Sc 04' 05.76" Jye 2 Sc Cp > Upaketu 16 Pi 44' 05.76" Reva 1 Pi Sg > Kaala 1 Le 36' 54.19" Magh 1 Le Ar > Mrityu 12 Cn 42' 59.73" Push 3 Cn Li > Artha Prahara 18 Cp 18' 41.26" Srav 3 Cp Ge > Yama Ghantaka 29 Sg 37' 36.13" USha 1 Sg Sg > Prana Sphuta 3 Vi 04' 41.97" UPha 2 Vi Cp > Deha Sphuta 3 Li 34' 04.48" Chit 4 Li Sc > Mrityu Sphuta 7 Pi 52' 15.05" UBha 2 Pi Vi > Sookshma TriSphuta 14 Aq 31' 01.50" Sata 3 Aq Aq > TriSphuta 25 Aq 35' 59.14" PBha 2 Aq Ta > ChatusSphuta 12 Vi 20' 04.89" Hast 1 Vi Ar > PanchaSphuta 26 Sc 05' 57.40" Jye 3 Sc Aq > V2 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn > V3 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li > V4 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn > V5 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li > V6 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn > V7 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li > V8 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn > V9 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li > V10 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn > V11 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li > V12 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn > Kunda 0 Cp 57' 15.61" USha 2 Cp Cp > > Thanks & Regards > /Akash.. > > > vedic astrology, MasterJ wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Sir, pertaining to your query, the parivartana in this > case, refers to exchange of signs via lordship. Both Venus and Sani > have a vested interest in protecting the affairs of their respective > houses. Here in this case, both are mutual friends and the co- > operation would be high. Moon does not come into the picture as it > is not involved in the exchange of signs, still it could covey some > of the results for reasons which i will state later. > > > > Depending on the degrees of the planet, whether there is a graha > yuddha and so on, the graha's could be modified. Remember this is in > effect a sadesani at birth. But Moon's exhaltion would significantly > lessen the impact. Additonally, Saturn's exchange with Venus, will > give reason to protect the significations of the bhava and the graha > that is placed therin. But the parivartana yoga is still between > venus and saturn and the results would be there throughout the life. > Now if either the planet is a yogakaraka, then one or the other can > still contribute the results during the dasa/bhukti period. If it is > a raja youga brougth abt by a link bet kona and kendra lord's then > the respective dasha periods would that out....however remember > parivartana here is permanent. There will be also an exchange of > tatwa, prithvi and vayu. > > > > Moon's dasha or bukti or venus bukti can give the effects of > exhalted moon or lordship, venus here is the subhapati and it is in > quadrant to the moon, a very favourable 4,10 positon. > > > > As for the degree of Saturn's influence would depend on how far > there are to each other, and whether there are overiding factors > such as aspects. Check also whether Saturn rules kendras, in which > case, it's maleficience lessens. > > Even if there are some saturine influences, moon here is very > strong, as not only is it exhalted, but Subapati, the lord of the > moon sign is involved in a very powerfull yoga. Do check whether, > saturn and venus rules either quadrants and trines, in which case, > raja yoga can being fruition. > > before going into Saptamsa chart see, whether saturn or venus > are in any way linked with the fifth lord.Then look at Saptamsa > chart and analyse the yoga, with reference from the lagna. Do also > check if naisarigika putra karaka jupiteris involved with the > parivartana. > > > > > > > > J > > > > baksh5 wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Heartfelt greetings to all. > > > > I had a question on Parivartana. In a particular case where I was > > viewing the chart in which Venus was in Capricon and Saturn was in > > Taurus cojoined with Exalted Moon. > > > > So if the lord happens to be Saturn, then its in Parivartana with > > Venus in Capricon. But does this parivartana also affect the > Exalted > > Moon?. Or is the final result given by the Exalted moon. > > > > What would be the prediction in the above case? if the chart is a > > Saptamsa Chart. Will the prediction be based on the Parivartana of > the > > Sat-Venus or the Exalted moon? > > > > With Regards > > /Akash.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movies - Search movie info and celeb profiles and photos. > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya Dear sir, ARe you familiar with raja yogas and what happens in a sambada between kona and kendra lords. I think you need to understand the different types of sambada and then proceed to understand parivartana yoga.. Best regards baksh5 <avbhat2005 wrote: Om Namah Shivaya, Thanks again Master J for clearing my doubts on parivartana Yoga. It is indeed a strong yoga and sometimes tricky to understand how it applies and the effects it gives.. Continuing further on that, will the same parivartana again apply when the 9th lord which is Sat( Capri) is cojoined with Exalted Moon in Taurus, the lord of which Venus is in Capri?. What would be the prediction in this case?. I will check back with the person's chart and confirm on your below analysis. Thanks Again. With Regards /Akash... vedic astrology, MasterJ wrote: > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Sir, > > There are several points you raised. > > 1. parivartana yoga-planets lording it or grahas therein, which would have a greater influence. > > 2. graha yuti or combinations and the importance of degrees.. > > The point that i would like to make is that a lord of a bhava is tasked to protect the significations of the bhava and not the graha therin. Graha's shows the desire of a planet to cause an effect. They are like a tenant, while the lord is the land lord. Graha's will certainly modify the result of a house, but look for yogas and among yogas,parivartana yoga is one of the strongest, because signifiations of 2 bhavas are augmented by exchange, even if the respective planets are malefics. It is like some sort of mutual understanding, a stand off. > So the lord is the most important player in this respect. The conjunction of saturn with moon, will note erode or in anyway diminish saturn's power. Saturn which is the atama karaka. and the fifth lord in saptamsa,is placed in fifth and a trine. The child will certainly be a blessing from God. Venus as fifth lord suggests female child, moon placed in taurus, likewise suggests..So first child would likely be female and child would be very pretty.Saturn is a functional benefic, so is unlikely to be adverse for the child. 2nd child is also likely, which would most likely be a boy. Bcos, jupiter, which is the natural putrakaraka and fifth lord in rasi is also the chara putrakaraka and is placed in the sign of the atma karaka.. > > God bless > > J > > > > baksh5 wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya > > Thank you Master J for the detailed response you have given. > > Actually I am a novice trying to experiment on a chart and learning > the Parivartana yoga. The placement I have given regarding the Sat- > Venus and Moon is in the Saptamsha chart. I was trying to analyze > what would be results or what would be the prediction when the below > combination exists. As per the notes exchanged in this group ( > sjcnotes and book1.cd of PVR's students), cojoin of planets gives > the result of the cojoined planet and overrides the effects of the > lord of the planet in question and the house. So here in this case > Saturn is cojoined Exalted Moon but is in Parivartana with Venus. So > would the prediction from the Saptamsa be a male or a female > progeny?. I am thinking it would be a male progeny. I am producing > below the Rasi Chart and the Saptamsha Chart with the planets co- > ordinates. > > +--------------+ > | | |SaR |Ke GL | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Mo | |AL | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > |HL | |Ve | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Ju Ra |As Md |Su Me |Ma | > | |Gk | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > Lagna 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Jye 1 Sc Sg > Sun - GK 2 Li 23' 26.54" Chit 3 Li Li > Moon - PiK 16 Aq 04' 52.40" Sata 3 Aq Aq > Mars - MK 18 Vi 18' 51.50" Hast 3 Vi Ge > Mercury - BK 20 Li 58' 01.39" Visa 1 Li Ar > Jupiter - PK 9 Sg 23' 53.44" Mool 3 Sg Ge > Venus - AmK 22 Le 33' 54.31" PPha 3 Le Li > Saturn ® - AK 26 Ta 51' 56.05" Mrig 2 Ta Vi > Rahu - DK 27 Sg 40' 50.36" USha 1 Sg Sg > Ketu 27 Ge 40' 50.36" Puna 3 Ge Ge > Maandi 23 Sc 13' 14.71" Jye 2 Sc Cp > Gulika 13 Sc 17' 18.56" Anu 3 Sc Li > Bhava Lagna 20 Sc 20' 00.33" Jye 2 Sc Cp > Hora Lagna 8 Cp 24' 31.69" USha 4 Cp Pi > Ghati Lagna 2 Ge 38' 05.78" Mrig 3 Ge Li > Vighati Lagna 3 Ge 45' 56.22" Mrig 4 Ge Sc > Varnada Lagna 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Sc > Sree Lagna 1 Le 20' 15.23" Magh 1 Le Ar > Pranapada Lagna 3 Ge 53' 53.78" Mrig 4 Ge Sc > Indu Lagna 16 Ta 04' 52.40" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > Dhooma 15 Aq 43' 26.54" Sata 3 Aq Aq > Vyatipata 14 Ta 16' 33.46" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > Parivesha 14 Sc 16' 33.46" Anu 4 Sc Sc > Indra Chapa 15 Le 43' 26.54" PPha 1 Le Le > Upaketu 2 Vi 23' 26.54" UPha 2 Vi Cp > Kaala 4 Cp 30' 59.17" USha 3 Cp Aq > Mrityu 23 Aq 14' 42.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar > Artha Prahara 19 Pi 45' 31.61" Reva 1 Pi Sg > Yama Ghantaka 12 Li 48' 13.73" Swat 2 Li Cp > Prana Sphuta 9 Cp 00' 40.28" USha 4 Cp Pi > Deha Sphuta 21 Sc 56' 17.78" Jye 2 Sc Cp > Mrityu Sphuta 5 Aq 24' 36.44" Dhan 4 Aq Sc > Sookshma TriSphuta 6 Cn 21' 34.50" Push 1 Cn Le > TriSphuta 16 Ta 30' 51.31" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > ChatusSphuta 18 Sc 54' 17.84" Jye 1 Sc Sg > PanchaSphuta 16 Le 35' 08.20" PPha 1 Le Le > V2 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq > V3 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi > V4 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq > V5 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Sc > V6 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li > V7 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Cn > V8 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq > V9 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi > V10 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq > V11 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Cn > V12 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li > Kunda 8 Ta 42' 27.94" Krit 4 Ta Pi > > +--------------+ > | | |Mo SaR |Ra GL | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Me Ju | |Ma AL | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | Saptamsa | | > |-----------| |-----------| > |Ve | D-7 |HL Gk | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Ke | |Su Md |As | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > Body Longitude (in D-7) Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > Lagna 0 Vi 00' 42.41" UPha 2 Vi Cp > Sun - BK 16 Li 44' 05.76" Swat 4 Li Pi > Moon - AmK 22 Ta 34' 06.82" Rohi 4 Ta Cn > Mars - PiK 8 Cn 12' 00.48" Push 2 Cn Vi > Mercury - AK 26 Aq 46' 09.71" PBha 3 Aq Ge > Jupiter - DK 5 Aq 47' 14.10" Dhan 4 Aq Sc > Venus - GK 7 Cp 57' 20.17" USha 4 Cp Pi > Saturn ® - PK 8 Ta 03' 32.36" Krit 4 Ta Pi > Rahu - MK 13 Ge 45' 52.50" Ardr 3 Ge Aq > Ketu 13 Sg 45' 52.50" PSha 1 Sg Le > Maandi 12 Li 32' 43.00" Swat 2 Li Cp > Gulika 3 Le 01' 09.90" Magh 1 Le Ar > Bhava Lagna 22 Vi 20' 02.32" Hast 4 Vi Cn > Hora Lagna 28 Le 51' 41.86" UPha 1 Le Sg > Ghati Lagna 18 Ge 26' 40.47" Ardr 4 Ge Pi > Vighati Lagna 26 Ge 21' 33.52" Puna 2 Ge Ta > Varnada Lagna 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li > Sree Lagna 9 Le 21' 46.62" Magh 3 Le Ge > Pranapada Lagna 27 Ge 17' 16.49" Puna 3 Ge Ge > Indu Lagna 22 Aq 34' 06.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar > Dhooma 20 Ta 04' 05.76" Rohi 4 Ta Cn > Vyatipata 9 Aq 55' 54.24" Sata 1 Aq Sg > Parivesha 9 Le 55' 54.24" Magh 3 Le Ge > Indra Chapa 20 Sc 04' 05.76" Jye 2 Sc Cp > Upaketu 16 Pi 44' 05.76" Reva 1 Pi Sg > Kaala 1 Le 36' 54.19" Magh 1 Le Ar > Mrityu 12 Cn 42' 59.73" Push 3 Cn Li > Artha Prahara 18 Cp 18' 41.26" Srav 3 Cp Ge > Yama Ghantaka 29 Sg 37' 36.13" USha 1 Sg Sg > Prana Sphuta 3 Vi 04' 41.97" UPha 2 Vi Cp > Deha Sphuta 3 Li 34' 04.48" Chit 4 Li Sc > Mrityu Sphuta 7 Pi 52' 15.05" UBha 2 Pi Vi > Sookshma TriSphuta 14 Aq 31' 01.50" Sata 3 Aq Aq > TriSphuta 25 Aq 35' 59.14" PBha 2 Aq Ta > ChatusSphuta 12 Vi 20' 04.89" Hast 1 Vi Ar > PanchaSphuta 26 Sc 05' 57.40" Jye 3 Sc Aq > V2 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn > V3 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li > V4 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn > V5 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li > V6 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn > V7 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li > V8 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn > V9 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li > V10 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn > V11 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li > V12 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn > Kunda 0 Cp 57' 15.61" USha 2 Cp Cp > > Thanks & Regards > /Akash.. > > > vedic astrology, MasterJ wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Sir, pertaining to your query, the parivartana in this > case, refers to exchange of signs via lordship. Both Venus and Sani > have a vested interest in protecting the affairs of their respective > houses. Here in this case, both are mutual friends and the co- > operation would be high. Moon does not come into the picture as it > is not involved in the exchange of signs, still it could covey some > of the results for reasons which i will state later. > > > > Depending on the degrees of the planet, whether there is a graha > yuddha and so on, the graha's could be modified. Remember this is in > effect a sadesani at birth. But Moon's exhaltion would significantly > lessen the impact. Additonally, Saturn's exchange with Venus, will > give reason to protect the significations of the bhava and the graha > that is placed therin. But the parivartana yoga is still between > venus and saturn and the results would be there throughout the life. > Now if either the planet is a yogakaraka, then one or the other can > still contribute the results during the dasa/bhukti period. If it is > a raja youga brougth abt by a link bet kona and kendra lord's then > the respective dasha periods would that out....however remember > parivartana here is permanent. There will be also an exchange of > tatwa, prithvi and vayu. > > > > Moon's dasha or bukti or venus bukti can give the effects of > exhalted moon or lordship, venus here is the subhapati and it is in > quadrant to the moon, a very favourable 4,10 positon. > > > > As for the degree of Saturn's influence would depend on how far > there are to each other, and whether there are overiding factors > such as aspects. Check also whether Saturn rules kendras, in which > case, it's maleficience lessens. > > Even if there are some saturine influences, moon here is very > strong, as not only is it exhalted, but Subapati, the lord of the > moon sign is involved in a very powerfull yoga. Do check whether, > saturn and venus rules either quadrants and trines, in which case, > raja yoga can being fruition. > > before going into Saptamsa chart see, whether saturn or venus > are in any way linked with the fifth lord.Then look at Saptamsa > chart and analyse the yoga, with reference from the lagna. Do also > check if naisarigika putra karaka jupiteris involved with the > parivartana. > > > > > > > > J > > > > baksh5 wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Heartfelt greetings to all. > > > > I had a question on Parivartana. In a particular case where I was > > viewing the chart in which Venus was in Capricon and Saturn was in > > Taurus cojoined with Exalted Moon. > > > > So if the lord happens to be Saturn, then its in Parivartana with > > Venus in Capricon. But does this parivartana also affect the > Exalted > > Moon?. Or is the final result given by the Exalted moon. > > > > What would be the prediction in the above case? if the chart is a > > Saptamsa Chart. Will the prediction be based on the Parivartana of > the > > Sat-Venus or the Exalted moon? > > > > With Regards > > /Akash.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movies - Search movie info and celeb profiles and photos. > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Meet your soulmate! Asia presents Meetic - where millions of singles gather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Pranam to u all Guruji's I have come accross this chart which has a distinct parivartna yoga and have myself seen the native's life change in the dasha of the two planets involved mercury-saturn which is presently going.Also has a strong navmansha and chart, for study. If asked i will give details of changes he saw. Details (M) Date 27 jan 1975 Time 8:25 Place Varodara Gujarat Regards swati (Learner) vedic astrology, MasterJ <rivolena wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya > > Dear sir, > > ARe you familiar with raja yogas and what happens in a sambada between kona and kendra lords. I think you need to understand the different types of sambada and then proceed to understand parivartana yoga.. > > Best regards > baksh5 <avbhat2005 wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Thanks again Master J for clearing my doubts on parivartana Yoga. It > is indeed a strong yoga and sometimes tricky to understand how it > applies and the effects it gives.. > > Continuing further on that, will the same parivartana again apply > when the 9th lord which is Sat( Capri) is cojoined with Exalted Moon > in Taurus, the lord of which Venus is in Capri?. What would be the > prediction in this case?. > > I will check back with the person's chart and confirm on your below > analysis. > > Thanks Again. > > With Regards > /Akash... > > vedic astrology, MasterJ wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > There are several points you raised. > > > > 1. parivartana yoga-planets lording it or grahas therein, which > would have a greater influence. > > > > 2. graha yuti or combinations and the importance of degrees.. > > > > The point that i would like to make is that a lord of a bhava is > tasked to protect the significations of the bhava and not the graha > therin. Graha's shows the desire of a planet to cause an effect. > They are like a tenant, while the lord is the land lord. Graha's > will certainly modify the result of a house, but look for yogas and > among yogas,parivartana yoga is one of the strongest, because > signifiations of 2 bhavas are augmented by exchange, even if the > respective planets are malefics. It is like some sort of mutual > understanding, a stand off. > > So the lord is the most important player in this respect. The > conjunction of saturn with moon, will note erode or in anyway > diminish saturn's power. Saturn which is the atama karaka. and the > fifth lord in saptamsa,is placed in fifth and a trine. The child > will certainly be a blessing from God. Venus as fifth lord suggests > female child, moon placed in taurus, likewise suggests..So first > child would likely be female and child would be very pretty.Saturn > is a functional benefic, so is unlikely to be adverse for the child. > 2nd child is also likely, which would most likely be a boy. Bcos, > jupiter, which is the natural putrakaraka and fifth lord in rasi is > also the chara putrakaraka and is placed in the sign of the atma > karaka.. > > > > God bless > > > > J > > > > > > > > baksh5 wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > Thank you Master J for the detailed response you have given. > > > > Actually I am a novice trying to experiment on a chart and > learning > > the Parivartana yoga. The placement I have given regarding the Sat- > > Venus and Moon is in the Saptamsha chart. I was trying to analyze > > what would be results or what would be the prediction when the > below > > combination exists. As per the notes exchanged in this group ( > > sjcnotes and book1.cd of PVR's students), cojoin of planets gives > > the result of the cojoined planet and overrides the effects of the > > lord of the planet in question and the house. So here in this case > > Saturn is cojoined Exalted Moon but is in Parivartana with Venus. > So > > would the prediction from the Saptamsa be a male or a female > > progeny?. I am thinking it would be a male progeny. I am producing > > below the Rasi Chart and the Saptamsha Chart with the planets co- > > ordinates. > > > > +--------------+ > > | | |SaR |Ke GL | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Mo | |AL | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > > |HL | |Ve | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Ju Ra |As Md |Su Me |Ma | > > | |Gk | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > +--------------+ > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > > > Lagna 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Jye 1 Sc Sg > > Sun - GK 2 Li 23' 26.54" Chit 3 Li Li > > Moon - PiK 16 Aq 04' 52.40" Sata 3 Aq Aq > > Mars - MK 18 Vi 18' 51.50" Hast 3 Vi Ge > > Mercury - BK 20 Li 58' 01.39" Visa 1 Li Ar > > Jupiter - PK 9 Sg 23' 53.44" Mool 3 Sg Ge > > Venus - AmK 22 Le 33' 54.31" PPha 3 Le Li > > Saturn ® - AK 26 Ta 51' 56.05" Mrig 2 Ta Vi > > Rahu - DK 27 Sg 40' 50.36" USha 1 Sg Sg > > Ketu 27 Ge 40' 50.36" Puna 3 Ge Ge > > Maandi 23 Sc 13' 14.71" Jye 2 Sc Cp > > Gulika 13 Sc 17' 18.56" Anu 3 Sc Li > > Bhava Lagna 20 Sc 20' 00.33" Jye 2 Sc Cp > > Hora Lagna 8 Cp 24' 31.69" USha 4 Cp Pi > > Ghati Lagna 2 Ge 38' 05.78" Mrig 3 Ge Li > > Vighati Lagna 3 Ge 45' 56.22" Mrig 4 Ge Sc > > Varnada Lagna 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Sc > > Sree Lagna 1 Le 20' 15.23" Magh 1 Le Ar > > Pranapada Lagna 3 Ge 53' 53.78" Mrig 4 Ge Sc > > Indu Lagna 16 Ta 04' 52.40" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > > Dhooma 15 Aq 43' 26.54" Sata 3 Aq Aq > > Vyatipata 14 Ta 16' 33.46" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > > Parivesha 14 Sc 16' 33.46" Anu 4 Sc Sc > > Indra Chapa 15 Le 43' 26.54" PPha 1 Le Le > > Upaketu 2 Vi 23' 26.54" UPha 2 Vi Cp > > Kaala 4 Cp 30' 59.17" USha 3 Cp Aq > > Mrityu 23 Aq 14' 42.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar > > Artha Prahara 19 Pi 45' 31.61" Reva 1 Pi Sg > > Yama Ghantaka 12 Li 48' 13.73" Swat 2 Li Cp > > Prana Sphuta 9 Cp 00' 40.28" USha 4 Cp Pi > > Deha Sphuta 21 Sc 56' 17.78" Jye 2 Sc Cp > > Mrityu Sphuta 5 Aq 24' 36.44" Dhan 4 Aq Sc > > Sookshma TriSphuta 6 Cn 21' 34.50" Push 1 Cn Le > > TriSphuta 16 Ta 30' 51.31" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > > ChatusSphuta 18 Sc 54' 17.84" Jye 1 Sc Sg > > PanchaSphuta 16 Le 35' 08.20" PPha 1 Le Le > > V2 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq > > V3 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi > > V4 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq > > V5 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Sc > > V6 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li > > V7 17 Le 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Le Cn > > V8 17 Sc 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sc Aq > > V9 17 Sg 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Sg Pi > > V10 17 Pi 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Pi Aq > > V11 17 Ar 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Ar Cn > > V12 17 Cn 08' 40.34" Aswi 1 Cn Li > > Kunda 8 Ta 42' 27.94" Krit 4 Ta Pi > > > > +--------------+ > > | | |Mo SaR |Ra GL | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Me Ju | |Ma AL | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | Saptamsa | | > > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Ve | D-7 |HL Gk | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Ke | |Su Md |As | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > +--------------+ > > > > Body Longitude (in D-7) Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > > > Lagna 0 Vi 00' 42.41" UPha 2 Vi Cp > > Sun - BK 16 Li 44' 05.76" Swat 4 Li Pi > > Moon - AmK 22 Ta 34' 06.82" Rohi 4 Ta Cn > > Mars - PiK 8 Cn 12' 00.48" Push 2 Cn Vi > > Mercury - AK 26 Aq 46' 09.71" PBha 3 Aq Ge > > Jupiter - DK 5 Aq 47' 14.10" Dhan 4 Aq Sc > > Venus - GK 7 Cp 57' 20.17" USha 4 Cp Pi > > Saturn ® - PK 8 Ta 03' 32.36" Krit 4 Ta Pi > > Rahu - MK 13 Ge 45' 52.50" Ardr 3 Ge Aq > > Ketu 13 Sg 45' 52.50" PSha 1 Sg Le > > Maandi 12 Li 32' 43.00" Swat 2 Li Cp > > Gulika 3 Le 01' 09.90" Magh 1 Le Ar > > Bhava Lagna 22 Vi 20' 02.32" Hast 4 Vi Cn > > Hora Lagna 28 Le 51' 41.86" UPha 1 Le Sg > > Ghati Lagna 18 Ge 26' 40.47" Ardr 4 Ge Pi > > Vighati Lagna 26 Ge 21' 33.52" Puna 2 Ge Ta > > Varnada Lagna 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li > > Sree Lagna 9 Le 21' 46.62" Magh 3 Le Ge > > Pranapada Lagna 27 Ge 17' 16.49" Puna 3 Ge Ge > > Indu Lagna 22 Aq 34' 06.82" PBha 1 Aq Ar > > Dhooma 20 Ta 04' 05.76" Rohi 4 Ta Cn > > Vyatipata 9 Aq 55' 54.24" Sata 1 Aq Sg > > Parivesha 9 Le 55' 54.24" Magh 3 Le Ge > > Indra Chapa 20 Sc 04' 05.76" Jye 2 Sc Cp > > Upaketu 16 Pi 44' 05.76" Reva 1 Pi Sg > > Kaala 1 Le 36' 54.19" Magh 1 Le Ar > > Mrityu 12 Cn 42' 59.73" Push 3 Cn Li > > Artha Prahara 18 Cp 18' 41.26" Srav 3 Cp Ge > > Yama Ghantaka 29 Sg 37' 36.13" USha 1 Sg Sg > > Prana Sphuta 3 Vi 04' 41.97" UPha 2 Vi Cp > > Deha Sphuta 3 Li 34' 04.48" Chit 4 Li Sc > > Mrityu Sphuta 7 Pi 52' 15.05" UBha 2 Pi Vi > > Sookshma TriSphuta 14 Aq 31' 01.50" Sata 3 Aq Aq > > TriSphuta 25 Aq 35' 59.14" PBha 2 Aq Ta > > ChatusSphuta 12 Vi 20' 04.89" Hast 1 Vi Ar > > PanchaSphuta 26 Sc 05' 57.40" Jye 3 Sc Aq > > V2 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn > > V3 0 Aq 00' 42.41" Dhan 3 Aq Li > > V4 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn > > V5 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li > > V6 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn > > V7 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li > > V8 0 Pi 00' 42.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn > > V9 0 Ge 00' 42.41" Mrig 3 Ge Li > > V10 0 Sc 00' 42.41" Visa 4 Sc Cn > > V11 0 Li 00' 42.41" Chit 3 Li Li > > V12 0 Cn 00' 42.41" Puna 4 Cn Cn > > Kunda 0 Cp 57' 15.61" USha 2 Cp Cp > > > > Thanks & Regards > > /Akash.. > > > > > > vedic astrology, MasterJ wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Dear Sir, pertaining to your query, the parivartana in this > > case, refers to exchange of signs via lordship. Both Venus and > Sani > > have a vested interest in protecting the affairs of their > respective > > houses. Here in this case, both are mutual friends and the co- > > operation would be high. Moon does not come into the picture as it > > is not involved in the exchange of signs, still it could covey > some > > of the results for reasons which i will state later. > > > > > > Depending on the degrees of the planet, whether there is a graha > > yuddha and so on, the graha's could be modified. Remember this is > in > > effect a sadesani at birth. But Moon's exhaltion would > significantly > > lessen the impact. Additonally, Saturn's exchange with Venus, will > > give reason to protect the significations of the bhava and the > graha > > that is placed therin. But the parivartana yoga is still between > > venus and saturn and the results would be there throughout the > life. > > Now if either the planet is a yogakaraka, then one or the other > can > > still contribute the results during the dasa/bhukti period. If it > is > > a raja youga brougth abt by a link bet kona and kendra lord's then > > the respective dasha periods would that out....however remember > > parivartana here is permanent. There will be also an exchange of > > tatwa, prithvi and vayu. > > > > > > Moon's dasha or bukti or venus bukti can give the effects of > > exhalted moon or lordship, venus here is the subhapati and it is > in > > quadrant to the moon, a very favourable 4,10 positon. > > > > > > As for the degree of Saturn's influence would depend on how far > > there are to each other, and whether there are overiding factors > > such as aspects. Check also whether Saturn rules kendras, in which > > case, it's maleficience lessens. > > > Even if there are some saturine influences, moon here is very > > strong, as not only is it exhalted, but Subapati, the lord of the > > moon sign is involved in a very powerfull yoga. Do check whether, > > saturn and venus rules either quadrants and trines, in which case, > > raja yoga can being fruition. > > > before going into Saptamsa chart see, whether saturn or venus > > are in any way linked with the fifth lord.Then look at Saptamsa > > chart and analyse the yoga, with reference from the lagna. Do also > > check if naisarigika putra karaka jupiteris involved with the > > parivartana. > > > > > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > baksh5 wrote: > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Heartfelt greetings to all. > > > > > > I had a question on Parivartana. In a particular case where I > was > > > viewing the chart in which Venus was in Capricon and Saturn was > in > > > Taurus cojoined with Exalted Moon. > > > > > > So if the lord happens to be Saturn, then its in Parivartana > with > > > Venus in Capricon. But does this parivartana also affect the > > Exalted > > > Moon?. Or is the final result given by the Exalted moon. > > > > > > What would be the prediction in the above case? if the chart is > a > > > Saptamsa Chart. Will the prediction be based on the Parivartana > of > > the > > > Sat-Venus or the Exalted moon? > > > > > > With Regards > > > /Akash.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Master J, I have understood that but as the saying goes "The learning never ends".. Anyways, I met this person whose chart we were discussing. You are perfectly right, his first kid is a beauty daughter and I think he said this second is also a daughter. Thanks again, I will continue my learning with knowledge and blessings from learned ones like you and others in this august group. With Regards /Akash.. vedic astrology, MasterJ <rivolena wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya > > Dear sir, > > ARe you familiar with raja yogas and what happens in a sambada between kona and kendra lords. I think you need to understand the different types of sambada and then proceed to understand parivartana yoga.. > > Best regards > baksh5 <avbhat2005 wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Thanks again Master J for clearing my doubts on parivartana Yoga. It > is indeed a strong yoga and sometimes tricky to understand how it > applies and the effects it gives.. > > Continuing further on that, will the same parivartana again apply > when the 9th lord which is Sat( Capri) is cojoined with Exalted Moon > in Taurus, the lord of which Venus is in Capri?. What would be the > prediction in this case?. > > I will check back with the person's chart and confirm on your below > analysis. > > Thanks Again. > > With Regards > /Akash... > > vedic astrology, MasterJ wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > There are several points you raised. > > > > 1. parivartana yoga-planets lording it or grahas therein, which > would have a greater influence. > > > > 2. graha yuti or combinations and the importance of degrees.. > > > > The point that i would like to make is that a lord of a bhava is > tasked to protect the significations of the bhava and not the graha > therin. Graha's shows the desire of a planet to cause an effect. > They are like a tenant, while the lord is the land lord. Graha's > will certainly modify the result of a house, but look for yogas and > among yogas,parivartana yoga is one of the strongest, because > signifiations of 2 bhavas are augmented by exchange, even if the > respective planets are malefics. It is like some sort of mutual > understanding, a stand off. > > So the lord is the most important player in this respect. The > conjunction of saturn with moon, will note erode or in anyway > diminish saturn's power. Saturn which is the atama karaka. and the > fifth lord in saptamsa,is placed in fifth and a trine. The child > will certainly be a blessing from God. Venus as fifth lord suggests > female child, moon placed in taurus, likewise suggests..So first > child would likely be female and child would be very pretty.Saturn > is a functional benefic, so is unlikely to be adverse for the child. > 2nd child is also likely, which would most likely be a boy. Bcos, > jupiter, which is the natural putrakaraka and fifth lord in rasi is > also the chara putrakaraka and is placed in the sign of the atma > karaka.. > > > > God bless > > > > J > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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