SAV Bindus Calc is not Considering Lagna Bindus in JHora-->To Narasima Ji

[Guest guest]

||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

 

Dear Rao Saheb and List Members, Namaskaar.

 

Allow me to share some of my understanding. I was at the SJC '06 Delhi

conference and Prashun Da shared the reason for this.

 

Paraphrasing, there is a school of thought / tradition where the

Lagna's points were only considered for Kings or those of prominent

status. This is the reason, I recall, why this calculation is not

automated, but can be done manually quickly.

 

Hope some of this helps.

 

Regards,

Nitin.

 

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

 

 

vedic astrology, "Raghunatha RaoNemani"

<raon1008 wrote:

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Narasimha Ji,

>

> While listening to Zoran Ji's lecture on Asktakavarga, he mentioned

> that the SAV bindus are not inclusive of Lagna's BAV. So I had

> verified my self and he is right, so I have been using wrong bindus

> like this for all this time for my research so far. May be not.

>

> Let me take an example, so that you can see what I am trying to

> communicate to you.

>

> I am using Parasara Definition (Options) only, so let me take your

> Chart as an example:-

>

> In your SAV, you have 30 ( in Pi) as per JHora, but if you add all

> the Bindusfrom Sun to Shani and Lagna, you will get 33. The

> difference of 3bindus are equivalent to the bindus of Lagna BAV of 3.

> I have verified and found the same difference with the other planets

> as well with the SAV.

>

> So is there any options/setting I have to change in order to get the

> correct total of SAV.

>

> Otherwise it is now "Sarva Sapta Varga" and not "Sarva Ashtaka Varga".

> Please reply when you get a chance.

>

> Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

> P.S: I do not know which list, you see frequently, hence I am writing

> this note in both the JHora and VA list. Forgive me if I have

> duplicated this message, as I have corrected few typos.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Student Rao:

 

JHora gives Sarva Ashtaka Varga only and not Sarva Sapta Varga ! Only

if the bindus contributed by the lagna have not been included for

calculating the prasthaara ashtakavargas of the planets and then the

bindus are added to get SAV you can say it is sarva sapta varga.....

Obviously here it is not so! If you see the prasthaara ashtaka varga

of any planet in this program, you will find the bindus contributed by

the lagna also included in that! Narasimhaji's program is very

accurate in ashtavarga as I can say from my verification of the

ashtakavarga calculations of the program based on the principles of

ashtakavarga.

 

In the term "Sarva Ashtkavarga", the term "Sarva" denotes "All

planets". Actually, there is another term by which it is called....

that is "Samudaaya Ashtakavarga". Each planet contributes some

benefic points (bindus) to every sign depending on the relative

position of itself, and the other planets and the lagna. That is why

it is called "Ashtakavarga".... "Ashtakavarga" denotes the combined

effect of the 8 factors in the horoscope which indicate the 7 planets

and the lagna! In the binna ashtakavarga tables, the maximum points

(bindus) you can find in any sign is only 8. This will also explain

that lagna is included in the calculation. The sum total of bindus

found in the ashtakavarga of each planet is the factor tabulated in

the samudaya ashtakavarga.

 

The calculation of binna ashtakavarga of the lagna is simple......See

what positions are auspicious for a planet with respect to the lagna.

....lagna will be auspicious in those places with respect to the

planet! Add up the no. of bindus in each sign, and you will get the

lagna ashtakavarga.....This is not added to the Sarva Ashtakavarga by

tradition. The total no. of bindus in the horoscope can be only 337.

If in the SAV on adding the no. of bindus in all signs, the total

comes to 337, then the chart is correct. The total no. of bindus in

Lagna Ashtakavarga will be 49.

 

The lagna ashtakavarga has its own application in Ayurdaaya

(determination of longevity). Again some classics like

"Sundaraananthar Jothida Kaviyam" give results of lagna ashtakavarga

based on the no. of bindus found in the various houses.

 

You may add the no. of bindus in the lagna ashtakavarga also to get

the no. of bindus in the SAV for research purposes......But,

traditionally, the no. of bindus associated with lagna ashtakavarga

are not included for calculation in the Sarva Ashtakavarga bindus.

 

I hope this clarifies the doubt.

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

 

Let me explain this with an example:

 

Let us erect a chart for 4-32 p.m. on April 13, 2006 at Chennai

(80E17; 13N05).

 

For this chart, you will find that there are 24 bindus in the sign

Aries in the SAV chart and 5 bindus in Aries in the BAV chart of

lagna. YOu will find that these 5 bindus have been contributed by the

planets Mars, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn.

 

Nic-astrology, "Raghunatha RaoNemani" <raon1008

wrote:

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Nitin Bhai and Learned Members,

>

> Thanks for the note. Yes, I agree with you on what you said. I

> think, my understanding was : Lagna bindus are used not only for

> Kshatriya as you have mentioned, but also for the Brahmana's in

those

> days. So I would think this classification may be by Karma and not

by

> birth. Which means, in the Kaliyuga, the Astrologer has to determine

> first the native belongs to what category and apply this Ashtaka

> Varga accordingly is it not?. So what are the principles to

assertain

> this do you know ?

>

> Honestly I do not know yet.

>

> Anyhow, let us understand why Narasimha Ji has not provided an

option

> to include these Lagna Bindus in SAV. I am sure there must be a

> reason for him to program like this, which is giving us "Sarva Sapta

> Varga" instead "Sarva Ashtaka Varga" in the current version.

>

> I will wait for his reply and then continue my research from there.

>

> Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin@>

> wrote:

>

> "Nitin" <astronitin@>

> Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:33 pm

> Re: SAV Bindus Calc is not Considering Lagna Bindus in

JHora-

> ->To Narasima Ji

>

> ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

>

> Dear Rao Saheb and List Members, Namaskaar.

>

> Allow me to share some of my understanding. I was at the SJC '06

Delhi

> conference and Prashun Da shared the reason for this.

>

> Paraphrasing, there is a school of thought / tradition where the

> Lagna's points were only considered for Kings or those of prominent

> status. This is the reason, I recall, why this calculation is not

> automated, but can be done manually quickly.

>

> Hope some of this helps.

>

> Regards,

> Nitin.

>

> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Raghunatha RaoNemani"

> <raon1008@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Krishna Guru

> >

> > Namaste Narasimha Ji,

> >

> > While listening to Zoran Ji's lecture on Asktakavarga, he

mentioned

> > that the SAV bindus are not inclusive of Lagna's BAV. So I had

> > verified my self and he is right, so I have been using wrong

bindus

> > like this for all this time for my research so far. May be not.

> >

> > Let me take an example, so that you can see what I am trying to

> > communicate to you.

> >

> > I am using Parasara Definition (Options) only, so let me take your

> > Chart as an example:-

> >

> > In your SAV, you have 30 ( in Pi) as per JHora, but if you add all

> > the Bindusfrom Sun to Shani and Lagna, you will get 33. The

> > difference of 3bindus are equivalent to the bindus of Lagna BAV of

> 3.

> > I have verified and found the same difference with the other

planets

> > as well with the SAV.

> >

> > So is there any options/setting I have to change in order to get

the

> > correct total of SAV.

> >

> > Otherwise it is now "Sarva Sapta Varga" and not "Sarva Ashtaka

> Varga".

> > Please reply when you get a chance.

> >

> > Regards

> > Raghunatha Rao

> > P.S: I do not know which list, you see frequently, hence I am

> writing

> > this note in both the JHora and VA list. Forgive me if I have

> > duplicated this message, as I have corrected few typos.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear members:

 

Chapter 72 slokhas 1 and 2 in Brihat Paraasara Hora Shaastra also

indicate that for samudaya ashtakavarga, the bindus in the various

signs in the prasthaara ashtakavarga of all the planets have to be

added. Obviously lagna which is only a point is excluded from the

list of planets.

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> Dear Student Rao:

>

> JHora gives Sarva Ashtaka Varga only and not Sarva Sapta Varga !

Only

> if the bindus contributed by the lagna have not been included for

> calculating the prasthaara ashtakavargas of the planets and then the

> bindus are added to get SAV you can say it is sarva sapta varga.....

> Obviously here it is not so! If you see the prasthaara ashtaka

varga

> of any planet in this program, you will find the bindus contributed

by

> the lagna also included in that! Narasimhaji's program is very

> accurate in ashtavarga as I can say from my verification of the

> ashtakavarga calculations of the program based on the principles of

> ashtakavarga.

>

> In the term "Sarva Ashtkavarga", the term "Sarva" denotes "All

> planets". Actually, there is another term by which it is called....

> that is "Samudaaya Ashtakavarga". Each planet contributes some

> benefic points (bindus) to every sign depending on the relative

> position of itself, and the other planets and the lagna. That is why

> it is called "Ashtakavarga".... "Ashtakavarga" denotes the combined

> effect of the 8 factors in the horoscope which indicate the 7

planets

> and the lagna! In the binna ashtakavarga tables, the maximum points

> (bindus) you can find in any sign is only 8. This will also explain

> that lagna is included in the calculation. The sum total of bindus

> found in the ashtakavarga of each planet is the factor tabulated in

> the samudaya ashtakavarga.

>

> The calculation of binna ashtakavarga of the lagna is simple......

See

> what positions are auspicious for a planet with respect to the

lagna.

> ...lagna will be auspicious in those places with respect to the

> planet! Add up the no. of bindus in each sign, and you will get the

> lagna ashtakavarga.....This is not added to the Sarva Ashtakavarga

by

> tradition. The total no. of bindus in the horoscope can be only

337.

> If in the SAV on adding the no. of bindus in all signs, the total

> comes to 337, then the chart is correct. The total no. of bindus in

> Lagna Ashtakavarga will be 49.

>

> The lagna ashtakavarga has its own application in Ayurdaaya

> (determination of longevity). Again some classics like

> "Sundaraananthar Jothida Kaviyam" give results of lagna ashtakavarga

> based on the no. of bindus found in the various houses.

>

> You may add the no. of bindus in the lagna ashtakavarga also to get

> the no. of bindus in the SAV for research purposes......But,

> traditionally, the no. of bindus associated with lagna ashtakavarga

> are not included for calculation in the Sarva Ashtakavarga bindus.

>

> I hope this clarifies the doubt.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

>

> Let me explain this with an example:

>

> Let us erect a chart for 4-32 p.m. on April 13, 2006 at Chennai

> (80E17; 13N05).

>

> For this chart, you will find that there are 24 bindus in the sign

> Aries in the SAV chart and 5 bindus in Aries in the BAV chart of

> lagna. YOu will find that these 5 bindus have been contributed by

the

> planets Mars, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn.

>

> Nic-astrology, "Raghunatha RaoNemani" <raon1008@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Om Krishna Guru

> >

> > Namaste Nitin Bhai and Learned Members,

> >

> > Thanks for the note. Yes, I agree with you on what you said. I

> > think, my understanding was : Lagna bindus are used not only for

> > Kshatriya as you have mentioned, but also for the Brahmana's in

> those

> > days. So I would think this classification may be by Karma and not

> by

> > birth. Which means, in the Kaliyuga, the Astrologer has to

determine

> > first the native belongs to what category and apply this Ashtaka

> > Varga accordingly is it not?. So what are the principles to

> assertain

> > this do you know ?

> >

> > Honestly I do not know yet.

> >

> > Anyhow, let us understand why Narasimha Ji has not provided an

> option

> > to include these Lagna Bindus in SAV. I am sure there must be a

> > reason for him to program like this, which is giving us "Sarva

Sapta

> > Varga" instead "Sarva Ashtaka Varga" in the current version.

> >

> > I will wait for his reply and then continue my research from

there.

> >

> > Regards

> > Raghunatha Rao

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > "Nitin" <astronitin@>

> > Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:33 pm

> > Re: SAV Bindus Calc is not Considering Lagna Bindus in

> JHora-

> > ->To Narasima Ji

> >

> > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

> >

> > Dear Rao Saheb and List Members, Namaskaar.

> >

> > Allow me to share some of my understanding. I was at the SJC '06

> Delhi

> > conference and Prashun Da shared the reason for this.

> >

> > Paraphrasing, there is a school of thought / tradition where the

> > Lagna's points were only considered for Kings or those of

prominent

> > status. This is the reason, I recall, why this calculation is not

> > automated, but can be done manually quickly.

> >

> > Hope some of this helps.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nitin.

> >

> > || Namah Shivaaya ||

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Raghunatha RaoNemani"

> > <raon1008@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Krishna Guru

> > >

> > > Namaste Narasimha Ji,

> > >

> > > While listening to Zoran Ji's lecture on Asktakavarga, he

> mentioned

> > > that the SAV bindus are not inclusive of Lagna's BAV. So I had

> > > verified my self and he is right, so I have been using wrong

> bindus

> > > like this for all this time for my research so far. May be not.

> > >

> > > Let me take an example, so that you can see what I am trying to

> > > communicate to you.

> > >

> > > I am using Parasara Definition (Options) only, so let me take

your

> > > Chart as an example:-

> > >

> > > In your SAV, you have 30 ( in Pi) as per JHora, but if you add

all

> > > the Bindusfrom Sun to Shani and Lagna, you will get 33. The

> > > difference of 3bindus are equivalent to the bindus of Lagna BAV

of

> > 3.

> > > I have verified and found the same difference with the other

> planets

> > > as well with the SAV.

> > >

> > > So is there any options/setting I have to change in order to get

> the

> > > correct total of SAV.

> > >

> > > Otherwise it is now "Sarva Sapta Varga" and not "Sarva Ashtaka

> > Varga".

> > > Please reply when you get a chance.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Raghunatha Rao

> > > P.S: I do not know which list, you see frequently, hence I am

> > writing

> > > this note in both the JHora and VA list. Forgive me if I have

> > > duplicated this message, as I have corrected few typos.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

|| Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

 

Dear Rao and Nitin,

In my case the total SAVs as shown by the software do not match with total

of BAVs either with Asc included or exclude. Can you recheck a few more

charts please?

Best Wishes,

Ramesh

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Raghunatha RaoNemani

Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:54 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: SAV Bindus Calc is not Considering Lagna

Bindus in JHora-->To Narasima Ji

 

Om Krishna Guru

 

Namaste Nitin Bhai and Learned Members,

 

Thanks for the note. Yes, I agree with you on what you said. I think, my

understanding was : Lagna bindus are used not only for Kshatriya as you have

mentioned, but also for the Brahmana's in those days. So I would think this

classification may be by Karma and not by birth. Which means, in the

Kaliyuga, the Astrologer has to determine first the native belongs to what

category and apply this Ashtaka Varga accordingly is it not?. So what are

the principles to assertain this do you know ?

 

Honestly I do not know yet.

 

Anyhow, let us understand why Narasimha Ji has not provided an option to

include these Lagna Bindus in SAV. I am sure there must be a reason for him

to program like this, which is giving us "Sarva Sapta Varga" instead "Sarva

Ashtaka Varga" in the current version.

 

I will wait for his reply and then continue my research from there.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

 

vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin

wrote:

 

"Nitin" <astronitin

Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:33 pm

Re: SAV Bindus Calc is not Considering Lagna Bindus in JHora-

->To Narasima Ji

 

||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

 

Dear Rao Saheb and List Members, Namaskaar.

 

Allow me to share some of my understanding. I was at the SJC '06 Delhi

conference and Prashun Da shared the reason for this.

 

Paraphrasing, there is a school of thought / tradition where the Lagna's

points were only considered for Kings or those of prominent status. This is

the reason, I recall, why this calculation is not automated, but can be done

manually quickly.

 

Hope some of this helps.

 

Regards,

Nitin.

 

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

 

 

vedic astrology, "Raghunatha RaoNemani"

<raon1008 wrote:

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Narasimha Ji,

>

> While listening to Zoran Ji's lecture on Asktakavarga, he mentioned

> that the SAV bindus are not inclusive of Lagna's BAV. So I had

> verified my self and he is right, so I have been using wrong bindus

> like this for all this time for my research so far. May be not.

>

> Let me take an example, so that you can see what I am trying to

> communicate to you.

>

> I am using Parasara Definition (Options) only, so let me take your

> Chart as an example:-

>

> In your SAV, you have 30 ( in Pi) as per JHora, but if you add all the

> Bindusfrom Sun to Shani and Lagna, you will get 33. The difference of

> 3bindus are equivalent to the bindus of Lagna BAV of

3.

> I have verified and found the same difference with the other planets

> as well with the SAV.

>

> So is there any options/setting I have to change in order to get the

> correct total of SAV.

>

> Otherwise it is now "Sarva Sapta Varga" and not "Sarva Ashtaka

Varga".

> Please reply when you get a chance.

>

> Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

> P.S: I do not know which list, you see frequently, hence I am

writing

> this note in both the JHora and VA list. Forgive me if I have

> duplicated this message, as I have corrected few typos.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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