Bhrigu Bindu Progression in Annual Charts (Subject: Chandra Upapada/Surya Upapada and Bhrigu Bindu Questions)

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Dear PVR ji,

 

I am afraid but the question raised on KP is not perhaps accurate.

 

"This is where I strongly feel that Krishnamurthi (of KP) blundered.

There may be many people who feel that his approach works, but, as I

see, it is not based on sound logic. If stars of the same length in

terms of degrees have different lengths in terms of dasa time, why

can't the same thing apply to subs (divisions of stars based on

antardasas)? What is the basis for dividing stars non-uniformly in

the ratio of dasa/antardasa time? It is totally illogical. Something

that is illogical cannot be correct no matter what thousands of

people may say.

"

 

I am a mere learner and this is primarily a Vedic Astrology group.

 

I would request you to post this is question in a purely KP group

and give KP a fair chance to prove its theory.

 

However, with my very very limited knowledge, I could say, that Dasa

durations and divisions of sub have as much in common as does the

speed a car and the milestones on the road.

 

Thanks

 

Souvik

 

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid

wrote:

>

> Dear PVR ji,

> Really interesting! Good Research in modern paths. Thank you for

the

> nice mail.

> I don't support KP system, but values his efforts as well. One

> question in your mail specially attracted my attention.

> > This is where I strongly feel that Krishnamurthi (of KP)

blundered.

> >........... What is the basis for dividing stars non-uniformly in

> the ratio of dasa/antardasa >time?

> Krishnamoorthi borrowed it form Prasnamarga!!!!!!!! How ever

> Krishnamoorthi try to deny the traditional approach, the fact

remains

> that the system he is talking about his basic approach (dividing

> stars non-uniformly in the ratio of dasa/antardasa time)is plainly

> given there in Prasanamarga while dealing with "Thrisphuta". So in

> essence he has borrowed (but he never mentioned it!! So should I

use

> the words `stolen'?!) a method given in Presnamarga, and modified

it

> and tried to market in his own name!! But the efforts he put after

> this, and the methods and concepts he developed (such as sensitive

> points etc) should be appreciated. Also remember that it is one of

> the instances in Prasnamarga where the words "Param Rahasyam"

> (ultimate secret) occurs in Prasnamarga ! We should appreciate

> Krishnamoorthi (and thus the KP system) in locating this crucial

> point and applying it in a cute and modified way.

> If you feel that some more modification to the concept would be

> useful, that also is good research. Wish you all the best.

> You said:

> > this kind of techniques should be investigated and refined.

> > Jyotish is an ocean of techniques. Every drop of this ocean

> > is worth studying.

> I totally agree with it.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sourav,

> >

> > Chandra upapada and Surya upapada are the arudha padas of the

12th

> house from Moon an Sun respectively. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath did

teach

> me once what they are supposed to show, but I did not fully

> understand and hence do not want to talk about it.

> >

> > When one does not fully understand what is shown by the 12 house

> from Moon and the 12th house from Sun, how can one understand what

is

> shown by their arudha padas?

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Regarding Bhrigu Bindus, I have something to say.

> >

> > I found interesting results when I tried them in annual Tithi

> Pravesha charts (soli-lunar counterpart of Tajaka varshaphal

charts

> of solar calendar).

> >

> > What I did was to find the mid-point of Moon and Rahu (known

> as "Bhrigu bindu" or BB). Then I progressed it to cover 360

degrees

> in 360 tithis (soli-lunar days). However, I did not progress with

a

> uniform speed. I progressed it non-linearly based on Vimsottari

dasa

> years. For example, under Vimsottari dasa, Aswini star gives only

7

> years while Bharani star gives 20 years. So I progressed BB by 360

> deg within 360 tithis in the ratio of Vimsottari dasa years. For

> example, suppose BB is at the beginning of Aswini in the annual TP

> chart. Then it will cover Aswini star in the first 7 tithis after

> annual TP and cover Bharani star in the next 20 tithis and so on.

As

> you cover all the 27 stars (i.e. 360 deg), you will then have

> finished 360 tithis! Thus, BB is progressed slowly in some areas

of

> the zodiac and progressed fast in some other areas. It is a non-

> linear progression. I got good results only with this. With normal

> linear progression, the results are off by several degrees.

> >

> > As BB is progressed using the above progression, what I found is

> that it touches important planetary positions (or 180 deg points

from

> them) on the days of important events. Also, the planet being

touched

> by progressed BB has a link to the event. Planet's position is not

> progressed from its position in the annual TP chart and only BB is.

> >

> > I will give a couple of examples.

> >

> > I will use my own chart. My birthdata is: 4th April 1970,

5:47:13

> pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India (81e12, 16n15).

> >

> > (1) On 10th Nov 1994, I left India and I have been away since

then.

> The annual TP chart of 1994-95 is cast at 4:46:56 am (IST) on 9th

> April 1994 (at birthplace). Saturn is the 12th lord in 12th house

at

> 14Aq23. He can show displacement from motherland. In fact,

Saturn's

> annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa started on 5th Nov 1994 and that

brought

> the move abroad.

> >

> > The BB for the year is at 2Cp28. This falls in Uttarashadha

star.

> If we count the tithis from the annual TP time to Nov 10 (i.e.

from

> Phalguna Krishna Chaturdasi to Kartika Sukla Ashtami), we get

about

> 219 tithis (2 tithis in Phalguna month, 30 each in Chaitra,

Vaisakha,

> Jyeshtha, Ashadha, Sravana, Bhadrapada and Aswayuja months and 7

in

> Kartika month - event happened at the beginning of Ashtami). BB

> progresses thru the remaining part in Uttarashadha in 3 tithis. It

> progresses thru 9 stars from Sravanam till Krittika in the next

120

> tithis. Thus, we get to the beginning of Rohini after 123 tithis.

We

> have 219-123=96 tithis. Rohini (10), Mrigasira (7), Ardra (18),

> Punarvasu (16), Pushyami (19), Asresha (17) and Magha (7) cover 94

> tithis out of the 96 tithis. So, at the time of the event,

progressed

> BB is in Poorvashadha star and progressed 2/20=1/10th through the

> nakshatra. Poorvashada star starts at 13Le20. If we add 1/10th of

a

> star, i.e. 1 deg 20 min, we get 14Le40. That is the longitude of

> progressed BB on 10th Nov. Interestingly, Saturn is at 14Aq23 in

the

> annual TP chart! So the 180 deg point from progressed BB touches

> Saturn. As mentioned earlier, Saturn is the 12th lord 12th and

shows

> leaving motherland.

> >

> > (2) On 28th May 1987, I stood state first in my state in

> Intermediate exams (higher secondary school exams). The annual TP

> chart of 1987-88 is cast at 12:31:29 am on 28th March 1987 (at

> birthplace). The event happened on 28th May, i.e. Jyeshtha Sukla

> Pratipat tithi. From Phalguna Krishna Chaturdasi to Jyeshtha Sukla

> Pratipat, it is 2+30+30+1=63 tithis (event happened at the end of

> Pratipat).

> >

> > BB in the annual TP chart is at 4Pi26, i.e. 8.25% into the

> Uttarabhadra star. So 91.75% of the 19 tithis of Uttarachadra are

> left. Thus, progressed BB reaches the end of Uttarabhadra after

> 19x0.9175=17.5 tithis (approx). Revati (17), Aswini (7) and

Bharani

> (20) cover the next 44 tithis. The count comes to 61.5 tithis

> (17.5+44). Now, 1.5 tithis corresponding to Krittika are left.

> Krittika belonging to Sun gets 6 tithis. So this is 1/4th of the

> star. Hence BB is around 0Ta0. Note that Mars is at 0Ta21 in that

> annual TP chart! Mars is the lord of the the 5th house of

recognition

> and fame and he occupies the 6th house of success in competition!

> >

> > In fact, if we progress BB non-linearly within a nakshatra too,

we

> will realize that progressed BB is not at 0Ta0, but a little ahead!

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Essentially, the progression I am talking of here is based on

> Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa!!! Find Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa started

> from BB and map each mahadasa to a star (an arc of 13.33 deg).

Within

> a mahadasa, map each antardasa to an arc of length 13.333/9 deg.

> Within each antardasa, map each pratyantardasa to an arc of length

> 13.3333/81 deg. And so on. Finding the mahadasa, antardasa,

> pratyantardasa etc, we can find the longitude of progressed BB.

> >

> > Dasas have a variable length (Sun dasa corresponding to Krittika

is

> of 6 tithis and Venus dasa corresponding to Bharani is of 20

tithis),

> but they cover the same length in the zodiac (13 deg 20 min).

> Similarly, Sun antardasa in Sun dasa and Venus antardasa in Sun

dasa

> have different lengths in terms of time, but they should cover the

> same length in the zodiac (1/9th of 13 deg 20 min).

> >

> > This is where I strongly feel that Krishnamurthi (of KP)

blundered.

> There may be many people who feel that his approach works, but, as

I

> see, it is not based on sound logic. If stars of the same length

in

> terms of degrees have different lengths in terms of dasa time, why

> can't the same thing apply to subs (divisions of stars based on

> antardasas)? What is the basis for dividing stars non-uniformly in

> the ratio of dasa/antardasa time? It is totally illogical.

Something

> that is illogical cannot be correct no matter what thousands of

> people may say.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > This is a hit or miss technique and IMHO not so useful

practically.

> I do not use it in practical predictions. Though I use annual TP

> charts, I use TA dasa for timing within a year. I do not use this

> technique.

> >

> > However, this kind of techniques should be investigated and

> refined. Jyotish is an ocean of techniques. Every drop of this

ocean

> is worth studying.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > I am cc'ing this mail to some other groups that may find this

> interesting.

> >

> > BTW, I had a blessed trip to India. I visited 25 temples in

south

> India and performed a Sata Chandi homam at a Kalikamba temple in

the

> first week of March. Everything went great and I am back in US now.

> >

> > May the light of Brahman shine within,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------------

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > -------------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa, "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Srivastava-

> ji,

> > > namaskar. Thank you for intending to help me on this. No, I do

> not have

> > > the said pdf. I am aware of Ramadas-ji's son's marriage. I

> correspond

> > > with him regularly. I have read C. S. Patel's articles on

Bhrigu

> Bindu

> > > transits. I was hoping to know more in our tradition (Sri

> Jagannatha

> > > Parampara) if Bhrigu Bindu is used. Similarly. I wanted to

know

> if other

> > > similar bindu's can be defined: example, between Sun and Moon

or

> Sun and

> > > Rahu etc. I have Pt. Santhanam's translation of Deva Keralam.

If

> you

> > > find any suitable slokas refering to Chandra/Surya Upapada, it

> will help

> > > me if you can refer to sloka numbers. Thanks again. Best

> wishes,

> > > Sourav

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> > > sohamsa, "Swami Daivyaga" <swami_rcs@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > II Om Gurave Namah II

> > > > Hari om , Friend,

> > > > Saurav Nameste,

> > > > Bhrigu Bindu Progression is implemented in Gorvani Jyotish

and

> Digital

> > > > Jyotish .

> > > > PDF Manual OF Gorvani jyotish describes it on page159 to 162

or

> so

> > > through

> > > > old messages .

> > > > I think Sh.Ramdas ji on vedic astrology is disciple of

R.G.Rao ,

> > > currently

> > > > he is off the list for marriage of his son.. Sh R.G.Rao

perhaps

> > > disclosed

> > > > it.May be Shri C.S.Patel.Both are veteran in fields of Nadi.

> > > > If you do not get PDF please let me know in my old desktop i

> may be

> > > having

> > > > and can send you.

> > > > Surys-Chandra upapada has not come to my notice so far.I

have

> all the

> > > three

> > > > Volumes of Chandra kala nadi and writings of Jagannath

Bhasin

> on the

> > > subject

> > > > of Chandra kala nadi. if i come acrross in some i shall let

you

> know.

> > > > Hope information is useful . i myself have but little

experiece

> of

> > > this

> > > > techniques

> > > > for when i read it i had no computers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chandra Upapada/Surya Upapada and Bhrigu Bindu

> Questions

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurujanas,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam and Namaskar. Would you kindly

> > > > instruct me about the following? Please provide some

> > > > information/articles (if any, as applicable).

> > > >

> > > > (1) Usage of Chandra Upapada and Surya Upapada - What is the

> import

> > > and

> > > > what are the practical usages. Sanjay-ji mentions on

footnote

> of one

> > > of

> > > > his articles about these in Deva Keralam. But So far I have

not

> come

> > > > across these.

> > > >

> > > > (2) Bhrigu Bindu (longitudinal mid-point between Rahu-Moon

in

> their

> > > > natal positions). C.S. Patel writes that significant events

can

> be

> > > > predicted from malefic/benefic transits (especially malefic

> transit of

> > > > Saturn) on this imaginary point (or trines).

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your kindness.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> >

> >

> >

> >

>