Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Dear Pandit Ji, I have sent two mails requesting to analyse my horoscope. I am giving here for the third time, hope it gets included this time. DOB:11.10.1969 TOB: 05:56Am POB: Ashoknagar MP India Lattitude: 24E42 , Longitude 77N43 Best Regards, Vidit vedic astrology 18/03/2006 11:39 AM Please respond to vedic astrology To vedic astrology cc Subject [vedic astrology] Digest Number 3845 There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Sri Tatvam-Asi Ji: You Rahu-Centric Theory "Raghunatha RaoNemani" <raon1008 2. Re: Sri Tatvam-Asi Ji: Your Rahu-Centric Theory "Raghunatha RaoNemani" <raon1008 3. Re: Sundar Kanda (To Poojaji) "kishore mohan" <kishorepatnaik09 4. Re: Sundar Kanda (To Poojaji) "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan 5. [atri-sjc] Atri-SJC Class 19th March <sarbani 6. Bhakti and Jnana Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan 7. Re: Bhakti and Jnana Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan 8. 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Re: Re: Bhakti and Jnana "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology 25. Arab sex DSC-00465.jpg "swee" <swee ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:05:15 -0000 "Raghunatha RaoNemani" <raon1008 Re: Sri Tatvam-Asi Ji: You Rahu-Centric Theory Om Krishna Guru Namaste Tatvam-Asi Ji, Thanks for the note and also for the approval for me to go ahead to write a paper on your Rahu-Centric Theory. The purpose of my attempt is to give a Paper with all your posting in various forums with some examples, so that my fellow students can read the consolidated material in one place about your Rahu-Centric theory and continue their research assist you to refine it in the future. I think, I have a good grasp on your theory, but request my fellow members to give me some references (list message numbers, which you have posted in various forums in the past). Alternatively, you can also send your notes on this theory to me privately , so that I will consider them, if I do not have already with me too. Request you all to make all this communication as private with me, so that we do not clutter our lists with this communication. Tatvam-Asi Ji, as you know, my time is very limited, but I have a deep desire to do this kind of research oriented tasks and assist Gurus and learned members. So I will start writing this paper on a good muhurta. I am sure I can surely spare some of my free time for this task and publish my first draft to you in next few months or so. Once it is approved by you, then, it will be available to my fellow studetns for their study and continued research. Thanks for your help in advance. Regards Raghunatha Rao vedic astrology, Noname Noname <nameisego wrote: Dear Chi. Raghunatha, To begin with, You may write your piece with context to marriage/marital problems using Rahu Centric Theory principles as given to Guru Sri Ramadasa ji and you are free to use previously posted readings/pieces by me. I request you to first send me the article/s and on my approval,additions etc, you may want to post them. Rgds, Tatvam-Asi ===== Om Krishna Guru Namaste Tatvam Asi Ji, I have been seeing/reading some of my fellow students are curious about your Rahu-Centric Theory Principles and its application. If you give me your blessings and permission, I can write a Paper on my understanding on your "Rahu-Centric Theory", based on your writings in various forums, and teachings of my Guru Sri Ramadas Rao Ji understanding / teachings to me and also your personal e-mail clarifications to my doubts. I would say, I can surely consolidate all the above and write a paper and dedicate to you. Again, I have not done a lot of research on this theory yet, because of lack of time. If you think the time is approriate then let me know, othewise I/we can wait for the right time also. Keep doing your research and I wanted to learn the foundations of finding the natural disasters/calamities indications from you some time in this life, if I am fortunate. So that we can attempt to advise the local authorities to take some precautions before the event happens. Regards Raghunatha Rao vedic astrology, Vijayanand K <vijayanand1981wrote: || Sri Ramajayam || Respected Tatvam-Asi, Namasthe!! If you are not in a position right now to give any explanation to support your predictions/patterns, I am not clear what is the purpose of your note (pasted below). Regards, Vijayanand. -------------------- Noname Noname <nameisegowrote: Sri Vijaydasji, Thanks for your input and words of encouragement. I have computed over 2000 year's earthquake and Tsunamis under my research programme and am constently looking for finer patterns . My efforts seem to be paying off. I need to go a looooong way as yet in being able to pin point exact area. But I am plodding on. NO MY THEORY IS NOT HAVING ITS ROOTS IN BASIC FRAMEWORK .(Indian astrology) It is the other way round. In a couple of years, I aim to prove that Indian astrology has its roots in Rahu-centric astrology. Far fetched it may sound at present but when my work sees the day light, hopefully , people will have to concede. And by the way, Rahu centric theory is absolutely original research of mine. Tatvam-Asi I will not give premature explanations about things you have asked. But will surely come out withfull picture when time is ripe. --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Tattwam ji Congratulations on being able to work out consistent patterns. Could you kindly explain the importance of Sun in Meena.What other combinations along with Sun In Jala Rashi( before entering Fire ) are making you predict.Also what is the sensitive point in Kanya that you are referring to.How is Rahu and Ketu coming into picture.Hope you will spare some time.I feel your theory may be having its roots in the basic astrological framewrok,though the terms used are different. Kind Regds Pradeep ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:05:40 -0000 "Raghunatha RaoNemani" <raon1008 Re: Sri Tatvam-Asi Ji: Your Rahu-Centric Theory Om Krishna Guru Namaste Tatvam-Asi Ji, Thanks for the note and also for the approval for me to go ahead to write a paper on your Rahu-Centric Theory. The purpose of my attempt is to give a Paper with all your posting in various forums with some examples, so that my fellow students can read the consolidated material in one place about your Rahu-Centric theory and continue their research assist you to refine it in the future. I think, I have a good grasp on your theory, but request my fellow members to give me some references (list message numbers, which you have posted in various forums in the past). Alternatively, you can also send your notes on this theory to me privately , so that I will consider them, if I do not have already with me too. Request you all to make all this communication as private with me, so that we do not clutter our lists with this communication. Tatvam-Asi Ji, as you know, my time is very limited, but I have a deep desire to do this kind of research oriented tasks and assist Gurus and learned members. So I will start writing this paper on a good muhurta. I am sure I can surely spare some of my free time for this task and publish my first draft to you in next few months or so. Once it is approved by you, then, it will be available to my fellow studetns for their study and continued research. Thanks for your help in advance. Regards Raghunatha Rao vedic astrology, Noname Noname <nameisego wrote: Dear Chi. Raghunatha, To begin with, You may write your piece with context to marriage/marital problems using Rahu Centric Theory principles as given to Guru Sri Ramadasa ji and you are free to use previously posted readings/pieces by me. I request you to first send me the article/s and on my approval,additions etc, you may want to post them. Rgds, Tatvam-Asi ===== Om Krishna Guru Namaste Tatvam Asi Ji, I have been seeing/reading some of my fellow students are curious about your Rahu-Centric Theory Principles and its application. If you give me your blessings and permission, I can write a Paper on my understanding on your "Rahu-Centric Theory", based on your writings in various forums, and teachings of my Guru Sri Ramadas Rao Ji understanding / teachings to me and also your personal e-mail clarifications to my doubts. I would say, I can surely consolidate all the above and write a paper and dedicate to you. Again, I have not done a lot of research on this theory yet, because of lack of time. If you think the time is approriate then let me know, othewise I/we can wait for the right time also. Keep doing your research and I wanted to learn the foundations of finding the natural disasters/calamities indications from you some time in this life, if I am fortunate. So that we can attempt to advise the local authorities to take some precautions before the event happens. Regards Raghunatha Rao vedic astrology, Vijayanand K <vijayanand1981wrote: || Sri Ramajayam || Respected Tatvam-Asi, Namasthe!! If you are not in a position right now to give any explanation to support your predictions/patterns, I am not clear what is the purpose of your note (pasted below). Regards, Vijayanand. -------------------- Noname Noname <nameisegowrote: Sri Vijaydasji, Thanks for your input and words of encouragement. I have computed over 2000 year's earthquake and Tsunamis under my research programme and am constently looking for finer patterns . My efforts seem to be paying off. I need to go a looooong way as yet in being able to pin point exact area. But I am plodding on. NO MY THEORY IS NOT HAVING ITS ROOTS IN BASIC FRAMEWORK .(Indian astrology) It is the other way round. In a couple of years, I aim to prove that Indian astrology has its roots in Rahu-centric astrology. Far fetched it may sound at present but when my work sees the day light, hopefully , people will have to concede. And by the way, Rahu centric theory is absolutely original research of mine. Tatvam-Asi I will not give premature explanations about things you have asked. But will surely come out withfull picture when time is ripe. --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Tattwam ji Congratulations on being able to work out consistent patterns. Could you kindly explain the importance of Sun in Meena.What other combinations along with Sun In Jala Rashi( before entering Fire ) are making you predict.Also what is the sensitive point in Kanya that you are referring to.How is Rahu and Ketu coming into picture.Hope you will spare some time.I feel your theory may be having its roots in the basic astrological framewrok,though the terms used are different. Kind Regds Pradeep ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:29:15 -0000 "kishore mohan" <kishorepatnaik09 Re: Sundar Kanda (To Poojaji) Nijamga baga chepparu. Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 vedic astrology, Archana <raobusiness wrote: > > Respected Sir, > > I have the cd of the SundarKanda by late MS Rama Rao. > I play it almost every day and get goose bumps every > time I listen to it. And each time I listen, I cry > when the Sita mata's state is described in the song. > Listening to this song gives so many emotions. This is > really a blessed song. Whoever knows telugu should > listen to this song. When I saw you mention it, I just > couldn't resist to write this mail. Sorry if it's out > of topic. > Regards, > Archana > > --- kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by > > some of us. > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to > > understand the > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the > > valmiki > > ramayan. > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional > > versions > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I > > advocate for recitation) > > should not be used for parayan and only original > > version should be > > done. > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational > > value of the > > mantras which are not existing in the regional > > versions. For eg., > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and > > hence, many mantrik > > values associated with it, which I dont think will > > be present in the > > regional versions. > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own > > spiritual values > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha > > kavya written by a > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we > > have the > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the > > '70s or '80s) > > which has great vibrational value due to the music > > associated with > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is > > said Hanuman > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the > > physical author > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, > > the remedies > > associated with this song are somewhat different > > from those offered > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters > > to freeing of > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not > > mix up these > > results. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do > > you say so?!!!! > > No > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a > > genuine doubt, > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already > > in my earlier > > post. > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita > > Maanasaa. > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita > > Maanasa in my > > posts? > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have > > explicitly said > > that > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, > > then the results > > I > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam > > definitely do > > not > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama > > Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki > > immediately > > after > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva > > Rishi Naarada. > > It > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as > > it was written > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who > > had completed a > > severe > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are > > in addition to > > the > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi > > literature. You > > will > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the > > original version > > of > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the > > regional > > culture > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > > composed....... > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( > > Ithihaas literally > > means > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has > > the distinction > > of > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri > > Raama himself > > during > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His > > own Sons. It > > is a > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri > > Raama AS IT > > HAPPENED; > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit > > special). > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The > > Raama Charita > > Maanasa- > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt > > for many > > centuries; > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of > > the common man > > making > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting > > the story of > > Lord's > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend > > on greedy pandits > > and > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, > > when I say recital > > of > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such > > and such results > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa > > (incidentally, this was > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the > > other epic - > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original > > Sanskrit version > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a > > thousand replicas of > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and > > sentiment associated > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. > > Same is the case > > with > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their > > prominence due to > > the > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot > > equal the > > original > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have > > said time and > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual > > fervour, these two > > works > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik > > works in that, > > chanting > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your > > attitude is highly > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in > > an attitude of > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature > > relies mainly on > > the > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and > > other puranic > > mantras > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to > > get the expected > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita > > Maanasa > === message truncated === > > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:42:38 -0000 "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan Re: Sundar Kanda (To Poojaji) Namaskar Bharatji, What a wonderful question! If you get a chance, do listen to the Kaalachakra audio of Pandit Sanjay Rath. Astrologically, Jnana is the domain of Jupiter and the planet that can take nearest to Bhakti is Ketu, however Sun is equally important. Please let me know if "Love thy enemy as thyself" a language of Jnana or Bhakti? However, if your definition of Jana also includes "Love thy enemy as thyself", you are definitely talking about bhakti. But in bhakti it doesn't matter what you call it-in jnana you need quotes and logic. If Padma Puran has stated Bhakti has the mother of Jnana and Vairagya, there surely was a reason for this personification, don't you think? There is 100% differentiation between Jnana and Bhakti from the prespective of Jnana and there is no difference even between you and me from the prespective of Bhakti...such things are very difficult to write and explain in mails..because this very domain is that of Jnana:) Will eagerly await your views... Thanks Souvik vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Souvik > > How are Bhakti and Jnana different? > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 3/16/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > A small story: > > Source: > > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 > > > > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I > > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka > > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding > > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this > > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, > > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, > > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition > > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the > > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the > > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts > > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman > > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious > > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I > > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was > > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual > > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She > > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh > > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some > > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the > > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I > > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my > > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due > > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive > > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri > > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival > > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of > > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at > > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was > > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On > > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of > > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and > > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This > > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where > > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, > > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of > > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded > > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth > > Sutra." > > > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya > > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to > > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. > > > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations > > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. > > > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? > > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti > > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas > > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his > > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" > > > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > > > ramayan. > > > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for > > recitation) > > > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > > > done. > > > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in > > the > > > regional versions. > > > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual > > values > > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those > > offered > > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > > > results. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say > > so?!!!! > > > No > > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine > > doubt, > > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > > > post. > > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > > > posts? > > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > > > that > > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the > > results > > > I > > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > > > not > > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > > > after > > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi > > Naarada. > > > It > > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was > > written > > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > > > severe > > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition > > to > > > the > > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > > > will > > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original > > version > > > of > > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > > > culture > > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > > composed....... > > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > > > means > > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the > > distinction > > > of > > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > > > during > > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > > > is a > > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > > > HAPPENED; > > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > > > Maanasa- > > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > > > centuries; > > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > > > making > > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > > > Lord's > > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy > > pandits > > > and > > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say > > recital > > > of > > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such > > results > > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit > > version > > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas > > of > > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment > > associated > > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the > > case > > > with > > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > > > the > > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > > > original > > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > > > works > > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > > > chanting > > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is > > highly > > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > > > the > > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > > > mantras > > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of > > Vaayu > > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > > > giving > > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV > > <its_me_pooja@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both > > should > > > be > > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > > > book. > > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > > > composition). > > > > > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > > > per your request. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > > > > appreciations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit. 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Vedic < /gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=V edic&w3=Subject+to+change&c=3&s=55&.sig=FmWIo9-9QtJOJakQ1YU8mg> astrology Vedic < /gads?t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Vedic&w3=Su bject+to+change&c=3&s=55&.sig=1-XS3En_4nD6j06Yjsrrbg> Subject < /gads?t=ms&k=Subject+to+change&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2 =Vedic&w3=Subject+to+change&c=3&s=55&.sig=yq8SdbPvRu7Ktty6ZyN7Fw> to change _____ * Visit your group "atri-sjc < atri-sjc> " on the web. * atri-sjc <atri-sjc?subject=Un> * Terms of Service <> . _____ ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:11:55 -0800 (PST) Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan Bhakti and Jnana Dear Srinivasji, There are human understandings that is very complete without bhakti. Bhakti has nothing to do there. Mathematics, Physics, Nyaya, the list is endless. There can be love with absolutely no understanding as to why it is there. Looks like you haven't fallen in love in your life! :) Regards, Souvik Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:20:26 -0800 (PST) Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan Re: Bhakti and Jnana Oops sorry I meant to address Bharatji! :) Bharatji, Lets take another simple example. A 12-18th. months old child. You will definitely agree that child has almost no jnana at that stage. When that child cries and no one can stop him/her, the mother takes the child in her arms and showers love and affection. I would also consider this as a form of bhakti. The child keeps quite. No Jnana but perfectly understands love. Regards, Souvik Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: Dear Srinivasji, There are human understandings that is very complete without bhakti. Bhakti has nothing to do there. Mathematics, Physics, Nyaya, the list is endless. There can be love with absolutely no understanding as to why it is there. Looks like you haven't fallen in love in your life! :) Regards, Souvik Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 8 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:21:49 -0000 "B Lakshmi Ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh Re: Bhakti and Jnana Om Gurave Namah Namaste Bharat ji, My understanding, based on my limited reading, is that Jnana & Bhakti are like markata kishora nyaaya and maarjaala kishora nyaya respectively. in markata kishora nyaya, the responsibility of safely clinging to mother during a transit is on the baby monkey...a jnani is like that. whereas in the case of bhakti, the devotee is like the kitten, he is safely held by the mother. There's a risk of the jnani, losing hold on Mother (God) and falling, like the baby monkey sometimes does because of its own confusions and inadequacies, but in the case of the kitten, the Mother itself takes care. Likewise, Bhagavan Himself takes care of the bhakta. I always felt that both are necessary for reaching God and i take the support of Maha Bharata in this. Bhishma pitamaha was a great jnani, yet, in the final moments of his life he recited Vishnu Sahasranaamam, which marked the high point of devotion. Arjuna was a great sakha and bhakta of Krishna, yet toards the end the Lord makes sure that he acquires sufficient jnana also by personally teaching him in the form of Bhagavad gita. I feel, that one must have jnana, which is bhakti in action, 2nd house being the 10th house from 5th house...in the list of gyana yogas given by Dr. Raman 2nd house/lord has great importance... while bhakti must remain at the heart of jnana (5th house being 4th from 2nd). Please correct my mistakes. Regards, Lakshmi vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > You can take any view, the definition of Bhakti and Jnana cannot change. If > you take Dwaita - it is Jnana that I and lord are separate and therefore > Bhakti is limited to Lord as separate from oneself. If you take V- Adwaita, > then, it is Jnana that I am a part of the Lord and therefore Bhakti is of > the same nature. Similarly of Adwaita. Where is the difference between the > two? > It is unnecessary to bring Dwaita, V-Adwaita and Adwaita differences here. > > Bhakti does not mean no thinking. No love can come without understanding. No > understanding can be complete without Bhakti. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > Thanks for your enlightening views.My concept of understanding is > > based on(Visishta) Dwaitha principles .As far as my personal view is > > concerned the ultimate result(undersanding) is Adwaithic state > > that "the other is not separate from me" comes through the path of > > dwaitha only. > > > > Internally (as many of us perhaps) I thought and thought about the > > ultimate truth through Dwaitic concepts as well as Adwaitic concepts > > and found that both are true in part and something more has to come > > to view them in combination to know the ultimate truth.This is > > nothing but Jnana marga.Whereas in Bhakti state this question is > > gradually(or instantaneoulsly) receding and becoming thoughtless/and > > immaterial. > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > > > Can you have Bhakti without understanding of the same? > > > > > > There is no two, Jnana and Bhakti are the same. > > > > > > "Atmanastu Kaamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati" - Brihadaryanka > > Upanishad. This > > > verse has the definitions of love and Bhakti in it and also of > > Jnana. I am > > > just giving hints here. > > > > > > Bhakti is loosely translated as "Divine Love". What is Love? - An > > > understanding that the other is not separate from me, which is > > nothing but > > > Jnana. > > > > > > It is an error to treat them separately. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > > > > > > Nice question,please let me share my little understanding of > > these > > > > divine concepts in few lines. > > > > > > > > Bhakti doesn't need mode of language for communication with the > > > > Divine,It's simply LOVE(LOOSING ONES VERY EXISTENCE) by > > > > concentrating on God.It also doesn't need any interlocutor for > > > > understanding God.It's mostly instantaneous in formation and > > > > continues without any means of communication or interlocutors in > > > > between soul and the Divine. > > > > > > > > Whereas gyan is mostly percieved through senses in first stage > > and > > > > progresses with/without crutches of means of communication and > > > > interlocutors. > > > > > > > > The Goal and ultimate destination of both is the same viz > > > > realisation of Divinity. > > > > > > > > Kind request for Gurujis to evaluate of my understanding and > > correct > > > > the same. > > > > > > > > srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astro logy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=UoktiPHSoTwQkpGMXB NeEg> Vedic > > astrology</gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astro logy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=qNtEn5POAbTpzmtNKI dnHA> Astrology > > horoscope</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=A strology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=8kShDb5zI- EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > > software</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=As trology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Je51jg697mjdLNt 6iLuaCw> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- astrology<vedic astrology>" > > on the web. > > > > - > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- ?subject=Un> > > > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 9 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:36:37 -0000 "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27 Re: Bhakti and Jnana Dear Members, One had the good fortune (most certainly) of coming across some splendid factors relating to the topic under discussion. I was particularly interested as I have been perplexed about this question or its variants in the past and put up these thoughts for discussion on either this List or another. In Shri Robert Koch's book, The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology, the following astrological combination is given: If the Lagna Lord is also the Char Atmakaraka (AK), the Jatak follows the Jnana Marga/ tries to approach divinity through the intelligence/ Dhi. The Lagna and the Lagna Lord are the indicators of the Dhi-Shakti or intelligence. The AK is the significator of the Soul. The Lagna Lord and the AK being the same Graha make for an intellectual approach to understanding the spiritual nature of existence. It is quite a beautiful explanation. There are other combinations given for the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha. Although a bit off the point, there are some very deep and astoundingly accurate dicta given about the expression of the afflicted AK and so on and so forth. Regards. Anurag. vedic astrology, "B Lakshmi Ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Bharat ji, > > My understanding, based on my limited reading, is that Jnana & > Bhakti are like markata kishora nyaaya and maarjaala kishora nyaya > respectively. in markata kishora nyaya, the responsibility of safely > clinging to mother during a transit is on the baby monkey...a jnani > is like that. whereas in the case of bhakti, the devotee is like the > kitten, he is safely held by the mother. There's a risk of the > jnani, losing hold on Mother (God) and falling, like the baby monkey > sometimes does because of its own confusions and inadequacies, but > in the case of the kitten, the Mother itself takes care. Likewise, > Bhagavan Himself takes care of the bhakta. > > I always felt that both are necessary for reaching God and i take > the support of Maha Bharata in this. Bhishma pitamaha was a great > jnani, yet, in the final moments of his life he recited Vishnu > Sahasranaamam, which marked the high point of devotion. Arjuna was a > great sakha and bhakta of Krishna, yet toards the end the Lord makes > sure that he acquires sufficient jnana also by personally teaching > him in the form of Bhagavad gita. > > I feel, that one must have jnana, which is bhakti in action, 2nd > house being the 10th house from 5th house...in the list of gyana > yogas given by Dr. Raman 2nd house/lord has great importance... > while bhakti must remain at the heart of jnana (5th house being 4th > from 2nd). > > Please correct my mistakes. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > You can take any view, the definition of Bhakti and Jnana cannot > change. If > > you take Dwaita - it is Jnana that I and lord are separate and > therefore > > Bhakti is limited to Lord as separate from oneself. If you take V- > Adwaita, > > then, it is Jnana that I am a part of the Lord and therefore > Bhakti is of > > the same nature. Similarly of Adwaita. Where is the difference > between the > > two? > > It is unnecessary to bring Dwaita, V-Adwaita and Adwaita > differences here. > > > > Bhakti does not mean no thinking. No love can come without > understanding. No > > understanding can be complete without Bhakti. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > Thanks for your enlightening views.My concept of understanding is > > > based on(Visishta) Dwaitha principles .As far as my personal > view is > > > concerned the ultimate result(undersanding) is Adwaithic state > > > that "the other is not separate from me" comes through the path > of > > > dwaitha only. > > > > > > Internally (as many of us perhaps) I thought and thought about > the > > > ultimate truth through Dwaitic concepts as well as Adwaitic > concepts > > > and found that both are true in part and something more has to > come > > > to view them in combination to know the ultimate truth.This is > > > nothing but Jnana marga.Whereas in Bhakti state this question is > > > gradually(or instantaneoulsly) receding and becoming > thoughtless/and > > > immaterial. > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > > > > > Can you have Bhakti without understanding of the same? > > > > > > > > There is no two, Jnana and Bhakti are the same. > > > > > > > > "Atmanastu Kaamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati" - Brihadaryanka > > > Upanishad. This > > > > verse has the definitions of love and Bhakti in it and also of > > > Jnana. I am > > > > just giving hints here. > > > > > > > > Bhakti is loosely translated as "Divine Love". What is Love? - > An > > > > understanding that the other is not separate from me, which is > > > nothing but > > > > Jnana. > > > > > > > > It is an error to treat them separately. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > > > > > > > > Nice question,please let me share my little understanding of > > > these > > > > > divine concepts in few lines. > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti doesn't need mode of language for communication with > the > > > > > Divine,It's simply LOVE(LOOSING ONES VERY EXISTENCE) by > > > > > concentrating on God.It also doesn't need any interlocutor > for > > > > > understanding God.It's mostly instantaneous in formation and > > > > > continues without any means of communication or > interlocutors in > > > > > between soul and the Divine. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas gyan is mostly percieved through senses in first > stage > > > and > > > > > progresses with/without crutches of means of communication > and > > > > > interlocutors. > > > > > > > > > > The Goal and ultimate destination of both is the same viz > > > > > realisation of Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > Kind request for Gurujis to evaluate of my understanding and > > > correct > > > > > the same. > > > > > > > > > > srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astro > logy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=UoktiPHSoTwQkpGMXB > NeEg> Vedic > > > astrology</gads? > t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astro > logy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=qNtEn5POAbTpzmtNKI > dnHA> Astrology > > > horoscope</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=A > strology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=8kShDb5zI- > EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > > > software</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=As > trology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Je51jg697mjdLNt > 6iLuaCw> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- > astrology<vedic astrology>" > > > on the web. > > > > > > - > > > vedic astrology<vedic- astrology- > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > - Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 10 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:20:26 +0530 "P Kumar" <pkumar24 Re: Exalted jupiter in 8th house, does it confer exalted life Good exposition. Negative trends should also be hinted at. P.Kumar (Mumbai) - "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology <vedic astrology> Friday, March 17, 2006 2:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Exalted jupiter in 8th house, does it confer exalted life > Namaskaar Sri Mukesh > > Each graha does so much in a chart and it is not simple to explain. To > understand such positions and results please follow Sri Sreenadh's posts on > "Sun in Aries" and "Sun in lagna". Therein, you'll get nice pointers on > logic of analyzing basic foundation of the chart. > > Some pointers in understanding Jupiter exalted in the 8th (These results do > not include Mercury): > > 1. Exalted Jupiter for a girl means her husband's fortune will rise after > marriage. > 2. In eighth, the person will have fine intuition. > 3. It will guard the person's life and longevity. Even if other diseases and > problems may occur, the person shall be able to tackle them. > 4. The person will be highly attracted to mantra japa and daily prayers. > 5. A deep resonating voice is likely. > 6. Secrets become known to such people quickly > 7. A lot of transformations in the native's life which will teach acceptance > and love. > 8. The native will have healing and caring abilities. People will feel safe > around him/her. > 9. Memory will be strong provided not under an evil aspect. > 10. Happiness is present but it will be of a non-dependent kind, and > therefore, permanent. > > There are many more possibilities here. You need to see the nature of the > sign, Jupiter's nature, its aspects on 12th, 2nd and 4th house. Check which > nakshatra lord wherein Jupiter is placed. Check where that lord is placed. > Supposing Moon or the Nakshatra Lord is in Lagna, then, it will be an energy > connection of Jupiter to the Lagna. It will be brilliant in such a case. > > So you see, there is a lot to it. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > On 3/16/06, Mukesh verma <astromukesh wrote: > > > > Dear All Namaskar, > > > > I wish to expand my knowledge about jupiter as lagna lord when it is > > exalted in 8th house as lagna lord(dhanu/saggitarius lagna). > > > > What effects on life can be predicted in such a case and also, when > > mercury > > combines jupiter in 8th house. > > This will mean Whole Kendra sitting in 8th house viz. exalted > > jupiter(lagna > > and 4th lord) and Mercury(7th and 10th lord). > > > > What can be predicted for in the Mahadasha of such a jupiter, exalted in > > 8th > > house with mercury. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Mukesh Verma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 11 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:49:52 +0530 "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology Re: Re: Bhakti and Jnana Namaskaar Sri Lakshmi You cannot be a Jnani without having Bhakti or vice versa. I can explain this but neither you nor Sri Souvik are going to be satisfied. This is best seen within oneself. For enabling the same, let me leave some pointers: Intellectual understanding is not Jnana. For example- for me to say All is Brahman, you may appreciate it intellectually, but, may not realize the enormity of this statement. The understanding can only come through surrender. And what is surrender - Bhakti! Now look at the opposite - Bhakti is surrender - Can it come without Jnana that All is the Lord. What did Sri Ramakrishna see - Ma within and without - He was the greatest Jnani. Same with Sri Hanuman. Sri Ramana Maharishi was a greatest Bhakta - he surrendered to Lord of Death. The measure of a person's spirituality is by the enormity of reactions he has to his environment. The person who is a bhakta - surrenders and therefore, does not react. Whenever people see a "Jnani" reacting - it means he is not a Jnani. These are not two paths either. It is the same cognition or recognition. To consider them separate from each other is a mistake. Spirituality is for the bravest of the brave and not meant for those running away from life. The process of cognition of Vedic principles is - Study - Questioning - Intellectual understanding (to those lacking the same must perform obligatory duties - karma Yoga) - developing Faith (not blind belief) - Taking risk from stepping out of self imposed limitations - getting signals from Nature - gentle reminders of divinity around - ...... I will end now or else another lesson from Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads might have to start. I leave both of you to believe what you would like to. It is neither my duty nor my desire to change your views but a hope that you will realize this huge principle. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 3/17/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Bharat ji, > > My understanding, based on my limited reading, is that Jnana & > Bhakti are like markata kishora nyaaya and maarjaala kishora nyaya > respectively. in markata kishora nyaya, the responsibility of safely > clinging to mother during a transit is on the baby monkey...a jnani > is like that. whereas in the case of bhakti, the devotee is like the > kitten, he is safely held by the mother. There's a risk of the > jnani, losing hold on Mother (God) and falling, like the baby monkey > sometimes does because of its own confusions and inadequacies, but > in the case of the kitten, the Mother itself takes care. Likewise, > Bhagavan Himself takes care of the bhakta. > > I always felt that both are necessary for reaching God and i take > the support of Maha Bharata in this. Bhishma pitamaha was a great > jnani, yet, in the final moments of his life he recited Vishnu > Sahasranaamam, which marked the high point of devotion. Arjuna was a > great sakha and bhakta of Krishna, yet toards the end the Lord makes > sure that he acquires sufficient jnana also by personally teaching > him in the form of Bhagavad gita. > > I feel, that one must have jnana, which is bhakti in action, 2nd > house being the 10th house from 5th house...in the list of gyana > yogas given by Dr. Raman 2nd house/lord has great importance... > while bhakti must remain at the heart of jnana (5th house being 4th > from 2nd). > > Please correct my mistakes. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > <hinduastrology wrote: > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > You can take any view, the definition of Bhakti and Jnana cannot > change. If > > you take Dwaita - it is Jnana that I and lord are separate and > therefore > > Bhakti is limited to Lord as separate from oneself. If you take V- > Adwaita, > > then, it is Jnana that I am a part of the Lord and therefore > Bhakti is of > > the same nature. Similarly of Adwaita. Where is the difference > between the > > two? > > It is unnecessary to bring Dwaita, V-Adwaita and Adwaita > differences here. > > > > Bhakti does not mean no thinking. No love can come without > understanding. No > > understanding can be complete without Bhakti. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > Thanks for your enlightening views.My concept of understanding is > > > based on(Visishta) Dwaitha principles .As far as my personal > view is > > > concerned the ultimate result(undersanding) is Adwaithic state > > > that "the other is not separate from me" comes through the path > of > > > dwaitha only. > > > > > > Internally (as many of us perhaps) I thought and thought about > the > > > ultimate truth through Dwaitic concepts as well as Adwaitic > concepts > > > and found that both are true in part and something more has to > come > > > to view them in combination to know the ultimate truth.This is > > > nothing but Jnana marga.Whereas in Bhakti state this question is > > > gradually(or instantaneoulsly) receding and becoming > thoughtless/and > > > immaterial. > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > > > > > Can you have Bhakti without understanding of the same? > > > > > > > > There is no two, Jnana and Bhakti are the same. > > > > > > > > "Atmanastu Kaamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati" - Brihadaryanka > > > Upanishad. This > > > > verse has the definitions of love and Bhakti in it and also of > > > Jnana. I am > > > > just giving hints here. > > > > > > > > Bhakti is loosely translated as "Divine Love". What is Love? - > An > > > > understanding that the other is not separate from me, which is > > > nothing but > > > > Jnana. > > > > > > > > It is an error to treat them separately. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > > > > > > > > Nice question,please let me share my little understanding of > > > these > > > > > divine concepts in few lines. > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti doesn't need mode of language for communication with > the > > > > > Divine,It's simply LOVE(LOOSING ONES VERY EXISTENCE) by > > > > > concentrating on God.It also doesn't need any interlocutor > for > > > > > understanding God.It's mostly instantaneous in formation and > > > > > continues without any means of communication or > interlocutors in > > > > > between soul and the Divine. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas gyan is mostly percieved through senses in first > stage > > > and > > > > > progresses with/without crutches of means of communication > and > > > > > interlocutors. > > > > > > > > > > The Goal and ultimate destination of both is the same viz > > > > > realisation of Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > Kind request for Gurujis to evaluate of my understanding and > > > correct > > > > > the same. > > > > > > > > > > srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- > > > astrology<vedic astrology>" > > > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > vedic astrology<vedic- > astrology- > > > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > - > Terms of > > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astro > logy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=UoktiPHSoTwQkpGMXB > NeEg> Vedic > > > astrology</gads? > t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astro > logy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=qNtEn5POAbTpzmtNKI > dnHA> Astrology > > > horoscope</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=A > strology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=8kShDb5zI- > EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > > > software</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=As > trology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Je51jg697mjdLNt > 6iLuaCw> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- > astrology<vedic astrology>" > > > on the web. > > > > > > - > > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > - Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart< /gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+\ astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=UoktiPHSoTw\ QkpGMXBNeEg > Vedic > astrology< /gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+\ astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=qNtEn5POAbT\ pzmtNKIdnHA > Astrology > horoscope< /gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Ve\ dic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=8kShDb5\ zI-EsRMSq6tgiew > Astrology > software< /gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Ved\ ic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Je51jg69\ 7mjdLNt6iLuaCw > > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology< vedic astrology>" > on the web. > > - > vedic astrology<vedic astrology-@gro\ ups.com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 12 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:08:05 +0530 "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology Re: Re: Bhakti and Jnana Namaskaar Sri Souvik I have given the reply to Sri Lakshmi and that is for you too. Just one interesting thing - You wrote: "No Jnana but perfectly understands love." , I hope you get the hint. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 3/17/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > Oops sorry I meant to address Bharatji! :) > > Bharatji, > > Lets take another simple example. > > A 12-18th. months old child. You will definitely agree that child has > almost no jnana at that stage. > > When that child cries and no one can stop him/her, the mother takes the > child in her arms and showers love and affection. I would also consider this > as a form of bhakti. > > The child keeps quite. > > No Jnana but perfectly understands love. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > > > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > Dear Srinivasji, > > There are human understandings that is very complete without bhakti. > Bhakti has nothing to do there. Mathematics, Physics, Nyaya, the list is > endless. > There can be love with absolutely no understanding as to why it is > there. Looks like you haven't fallen in love in your life! :) > > Regards, > Souvik > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart< /gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+\ astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=UoktiPHSoTw\ QkpGMXBNeEg > Vedic > astrology< /gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+\ astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=qNtEn5POAbT\ pzmtNKIdnHA > Astrology > horoscope< /gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Ve\ dic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=8kShDb5\ zI-EsRMSq6tgiew > Astrology > software< /gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Ved\ ic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Je51jg69\ 7mjdLNt6iLuaCw > > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology< vedic astrology>" > on the web. > > - > vedic astrology<vedic astrology-@gro\ ups.com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 13 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:26:20 -0000 "durhema" <durhema Horoscope needed... Namo Narayanayaa.... Namaste Gurujis, I have question for the forum.One of my friends wants his exact birthtime and horoscope. Few details are available ,but by taking significant events in life I hope we can arrive at correct birth time. Here are the details: DOB:June 2 nd 1977. Place : Panipat,Haryana,India. Marriage Date:12 th June 2005. Kindly assist us in knowing his correct horoscope and other details. Thanks Hema. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 14 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:38:19 -0000 "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 remedies for moon affliction dear friends for any type of moon afflicton, instead of wearing any rudraksha, i always suggest the remedy of making a pilgrimage to first jyotirlinga of someshwar at somnath in saurashtra. according to shivapuran, this is the place at which moon did tapasya for six months for his own ailment and later on lord shiva blessed that whosoever takes bath in the "chandrakund" for six months and also have its water, would be relieved of all chronic diseases like Kshaya (TB) and Kod (Leprosy). according to ayurveda, even AIDS is correlated to kshaya and hence this is recomended even for AIDS patitents. for those who are not aware of the connection between moon and somnath here is the legend as per shivapuran. after daksha got his 27 daughters (stars ashwini etc.) married to chandra, his 26 daughters complained that chandra is in love only with rohini and not others. after repeated neglect, daksha curses chandra to suffer from kshaya. then chandra does a tapas invoking lord shiva's grace for six months at somnath by chanting mrityunjaya mantra ten crore times and lord shiva gives darshan and blesses that he would lose his energy for 14 days and regain his energy for another 14 days. since having bath for six months is not possible for people other than residents of somnath, even one visit to somnath on any monday and darshan of someshwar after having bath in chandrakund is observed to give relief. with best wishes arjun vedic astrology, saikumar <astrossk wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > Namasthe Pandit Arjun Ji, > > Thanks for the enlightening mail about the 12 mukhi Rudraksha for people with afflicted Sun. > > Can you post something similar for people who have an afflicted Moon i.e. what kind of Rudraksha they can wear etc. > > Thanks again. > > Regards, > > Sai > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends > > rudraksha bead find its mention in rigveda, krishna yajurveda, > jabalopanishad, shivapuran, padmapuran, lingapuran and various other > holy scriptures written by the sages thousands of years ago. > > after researching on various horoscopes why the natives suffered > several problems despite several planets in exaltation and > yogakaraka benefic period running, i found that in many cases sun > and moon are weak in their charts. it is also observed that if sun > and moon are weak in a chart, none of the rajayogas written in the > chart would fructify. > > moon revolves around earth and earth revolves around sun and all > other planets revolve around sun and sun is the lord of the solar > system. > > it is written in shivapuran that the twelve mukh rudraksha > represents lord sun and whosoever wears the 12 faced rudraksha, the > 12 adityas shine in glory in that wearer. simply put, the sun is > improved with this 12 faced rudraksha and the sun's light shines in > 360 degrees or the sun's light is thrown in all the 12 signs or 12 > houses. with the few people to whom i supplied this 12 mukh > rudrakshas, they observed that their aura is enhanced. > > also when this is worn, it is observed that the anahata chakra > (cardiac wheel) is activated. > > truly the twelve mukh rudraksha is the best inexpensive way to > improve the sun in one's chart. a purified, sanctified, energised > and programmed 12mukh rudraksha of genuine nepalese origin costs > only a fraction of a genuine burmese ruby. > > with best wishes and regards > pandit arjun > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 15 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:13:57 -0000 "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 Re: Bhakti and Jnana dear bharat ji as you rightly observed, all these three margas viz. karma, bhakti and jnana are all inexplicably intertwined. for any person who marches sincerely on any of these three paths, the destination or realisation is the same. since each person has his or her own constitution of elements, different moral, psychological and spiritual needs and each individual having different idiosyncracies and antagonisms, based on these differences, people choose these three different paths. all paths lead to same destination only and no path is inferior or superior to the other. however, in my understanding karma marga in which an individual does self-less service is the best followed by jnana marga where the person spreads the light of knowledge and the bhakti marga is meant for those who have no physcial or mental strength to march on karma and jnana margas. with best wishes and regards pandit arjun vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Lakshmi > > You cannot be a Jnani without having Bhakti or vice versa. I can explain > this but neither you nor Sri Souvik are going to be satisfied. This is best > seen within oneself. For enabling the same, let me leave some pointers: > > Intellectual understanding is not Jnana. For example- for me to say All is > Brahman, you may appreciate it intellectually, but, may not realize the > enormity of this statement. The understanding can only come through > surrender. And what is surrender - Bhakti! > > Now look at the opposite - Bhakti is surrender - Can it come without Jnana > that All is the Lord. What did Sri Ramakrishna see - Ma within and without - > He was the greatest Jnani. Same with Sri Hanuman. Sri Ramana Maharishi was a > greatest Bhakta - he surrendered to Lord of Death. > > The measure of a person's spirituality is by the enormity of reactions he > has to his environment. The person who is a bhakta - surrenders and > therefore, does not react. Whenever people see a "Jnani" reacting - it means > he is not a Jnani. These are not two paths either. It is the same cognition > or recognition. To consider them separate from each other is a mistake. > > Spirituality is for the bravest of the brave and not meant for those running > away from life. The process of cognition of Vedic principles is - Study - > Questioning - Intellectual understanding (to those lacking the same must > perform obligatory duties - karma Yoga) - developing Faith (not blind > belief) - Taking risk from stepping out of self imposed limitations - > getting signals from Nature - gentle reminders of divinity around - ...... > > I will end now or else another lesson from Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads > might have to start. I leave both of you to believe what you would like to. > It is neither my duty nor my desire to change your views but a hope that you > will realize this huge principle. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > On 3/17/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Bharat ji, > > > > My understanding, based on my limited reading, is that Jnana & > > Bhakti are like markata kishora nyaaya and maarjaala kishora nyaya > > respectively. in markata kishora nyaya, the responsibility of safely > > clinging to mother during a transit is on the baby monkey...a jnani > > is like that. whereas in the case of bhakti, the devotee is like the > > kitten, he is safely held by the mother. There's a risk of the > > jnani, losing hold on Mother (God) and falling, like the baby monkey > > sometimes does because of its own confusions and inadequacies, but > > in the case of the kitten, the Mother itself takes care. Likewise, > > Bhagavan Himself takes care of the bhakta. > > > > I always felt that both are necessary for reaching God and i take > > the support of Maha Bharata in this. Bhishma pitamaha was a great > > jnani, yet, in the final moments of his life he recited Vishnu > > Sahasranaamam, which marked the high point of devotion. Arjuna was a > > great sakha and bhakta of Krishna, yet toards the end the Lord makes > > sure that he acquires sufficient jnana also by personally teaching > > him in the form of Bhagavad gita. > > > > I feel, that one must have jnana, which is bhakti in action, 2nd > > house being the 10th house from 5th house...in the list of gyana > > yogas given by Dr. Raman 2nd house/lord has great importance... > > while bhakti must remain at the heart of jnana (5th house being 4th > > from 2nd). > > > > Please correct my mistakes. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > > > You can take any view, the definition of Bhakti and Jnana cannot > > change. If > > > you take Dwaita - it is Jnana that I and lord are separate and > > therefore > > > Bhakti is limited to Lord as separate from oneself. If you take V- > > Adwaita, > > > then, it is Jnana that I am a part of the Lord and therefore > > Bhakti is of > > > the same nature. Similarly of Adwaita. Where is the difference > > between the > > > two? > > > It is unnecessary to bring Dwaita, V-Adwaita and Adwaita > > differences here. > > > > > > Bhakti does not mean no thinking. No love can come without > > understanding. No > > > understanding can be complete without Bhakti. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > > Thanks for your enlightening views.My concept of understanding is > > > > based on(Visishta) Dwaitha principles .As far as my personal > > view is > > > > concerned the ultimate result(undersanding) is Adwaithic state > > > > that "the other is not separate from me" comes through the path > > of > > > > dwaitha only. > > > > > > > > Internally (as many of us perhaps) I thought and thought about > > the > > > > ultimate truth through Dwaitic concepts as well as Adwaitic > > concepts > > > > and found that both are true in part and something more has to > > come > > > > to view them in combination to know the ultimate truth.This is > > > > nothing but Jnana marga.Whereas in Bhakti state this question is > > > > gradually(or instantaneoulsly) receding and becoming > > thoughtless/and > > > > immaterial. > > > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > Can you have Bhakti without understanding of the same? > > > > > > > > > > There is no two, Jnana and Bhakti are the same. > > > > > > > > > > "Atmanastu Kaamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati" - Brihadaryanka > > > > Upanishad. This > > > > > verse has the definitions of love and Bhakti in it and also of > > > > Jnana. I am > > > > > just giving hints here. > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti is loosely translated as "Divine Love". What is Love? - > > An > > > > > understanding that the other is not separate from me, which is > > > > nothing but > > > > > Jnana. > > > > > > > > > > It is an error to treat them separately. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice question,please let me share my little understanding of > > > > these > > > > > > divine concepts in few lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti doesn't need mode of language for communication with > > the > > > > > > Divine,It's simply LOVE(LOOSING ONES VERY EXISTENCE) by > > > > > > concentrating on God.It also doesn't need any interlocutor > > for > > > > > > understanding God.It's mostly instantaneous in formation and > > > > > > continues without any means of communication or > > interlocutors in > > > > > > between soul and the Divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas gyan is mostly percieved through senses in first > > stage > > > > and > > > > > > progresses with/without crutches of means of communication > > and > > > > > > interlocutors. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Goal and ultimate destination of both is the same viz > > > > > > realisation of Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind request for Gurujis to evaluate of my understanding and > > > > correct > > > > > > the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Beautiful...I couldnot agree more with you on the fact that anubhuti is the factor and the only factor for bhakti. What fool was I to think that Jnana was knowledge. I actually differentiated between anubhuti and jnana. I thought the former to be so much feeling and inner cry and later to be knowledge, intellectuality, logic, arguments etc. If you were referring to anubhuti as jnana from the first place, I am so sorry to have continued his debate. I agree 100% that fools rush where angles fear to tread (provided that the fools have anubhuti ) You may call this jnana and I may call this anubhuti, we may also debate that both are same or both are not but truth remains what it is irrespective of us I now understand that why rishis kept mauna, why go into words when anubhuti is enough to realize the truth in the marga of bhakti! Regards, Souvik vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Souvik > > I have given the reply to Sri Lakshmi and that is for you too. Just one > interesting thing - > > You wrote: "No Jnana but perfectly understands love." > > , I hope you get the hint. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > On 3/17/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > > Oops sorry I meant to address Bharatji! :) > > > > Bharatji, > > > > Lets take another simple example. > > > > A 12-18th. months old child. You will definitely agree that child has > > almost no jnana at that stage. > > > > When that child cries and no one can stop him/her, the mother takes the > > child in her arms and showers love and affection. I would also consider this > > as a form of bhakti. > > > > The child keeps quite. > > > > No Jnana but perfectly understands love. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > Dear Srinivasji, > > > > There are human understandings that is very complete without bhakti. > > Bhakti has nothing to do there. Mathematics, Physics, Nyaya, the list is > > endless. > > There can be love with absolutely no understanding as to why it is > > there. Looks like you haven't fallen in love in your life! :) > > > > Regards, > > Souvik > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > > > > > Mail > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astro logy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=UoktiPHSoTwQkpGMXB NeEg> Vedic > > astrology</gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astro logy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=qNtEn5POAbTpzmtNKI dnHA> Astrology > > horoscope</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=A strology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=8kShDb5zI- EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > > software</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=As trology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Je51jg697mjdLNt 6iLuaCw> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- astrology<vedic astrology>" > > on the web. > > > > - > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- ?subject=Un> > > > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 22 Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:57:43 -0800 (PST) Gail Francisco <gailfrancisco Vyasa SJC Sunday Class - 19 March at 11:00 am Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Vyasa-SJC Circle, California, USA Jyotish Guru's: Freedom Tobias Cole Address: 652, Norvell Street, El Cerrito, CA 94530, USA Phone: 510-938-1570 19 March, Sunday Time: 11:00 am Vyasa study circle in California Bay Area. Topic for discussion: Limbs of Jyotish and Planets (Grahas) Please bring your handouts from last week. 10 am: students may come to discuss their projects Recording of the classes will be done for the benefit of future Vyasa-SJC students and other students in USA. Goal: To have 12 students (at least) as expert Jyotishi's by the year 2007 (2 year target) having good knowledge of Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra. All are welcome. There are no charges but students can bring food and drink to share. Expect to spend approximately 4-5-6 hours in circle. If you need a ride, let us know. I live in Santa Cruz. I can be reached at 415-246-1255. Have a great evening. Gail Francisco Om Tat Sat ______________________ ______________________ Message: 23 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 06:00:53 -0000 "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer Special worship on the occasion of Vasantha Navaraathri (Free prayer scheme) Dear Members: I have received many mails from various members who have different problems in various areas of life requesting my help. As a professional astrologer I could not always honour their sincere requests for my help which however, made me feel uneasy making me think about ways in which I could offer my helping hand to the suffering souls at the same time not compromising my professional interests.....Though I always pray for anyone who approaches me with their grievances during my daily poojas for the day, I was thinking of ways to offer more help to people who are unable to avail my professional services. By Mother's Guidance I have decided to organize special prayer scheme on the auspicious occasion of Vasantha Navarathri in which I can entertain the requests of everyone if not from an astrological service angle, at least from a remedial angle. It is proposed to offer special worship to Divine Mother by chanting various powerful hymns like Shri Lalitha Sahasranaamam, Soundarya Lahiri, Durga Sapta Slokhi, Durga Chandra Kalaa Sthuthi, etc. on the occasion of Vasantha Navaraathri from March 30, 2006 to April 7, 2006. I am posting this message in this forum because this is a free prayer service and there is no monetary consideration attached with this. Those who are interested in participating may kindly visit the following link to get more information regarding the participation modalities: Paaraayanam/message/4 Kindly note that no prasaadam will be sent to anybody after this worship, but your prayer requests will be sincerely and humbly presented to Mother Tirupurasundari everyday after the recitals and special poojaas. May Divine Grace lead us all. Blessed be. Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 24 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:32:12 +0530 "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology Re: Re: Bhakti and Jnana Namaskaar Sri Arjun Karma is born out of the binding and cannot be the cause of Realization. That one is Brahman is already achieved and does not require any karma to fulfill it. It is only a question of realizing it. Then, what use is of Karma? To come out of the cycle of Karma, Yoga is prescribed. Now what is Karma Yoga? - Performance of your Obligatory Duty is Karma Yoga - This means doing Karma such that no further karma gets generated and mind is bereft of worries and anxieties. Mind in that state is ready for Pramana - which is the Vedanta. You can further ask - How through Karma Yoga no further mental aberrations take place? - Because Karma Yoga means performance of your duties without any respect for your likes and dislikes. What are likes and dislikes - The Dwandhas!! The definition of obligatory duties is given in many texts including Srimad Bhagavad Gita. Karma Yoga hence, is only a preparation for the mind and not to be confused with actual Jnana. Bhakti and Jnana are same and supreme. Bhakti and Jnana have no relation to physical strength. To say people bereft of mental strength follow Bhakti is an erroneous conclusion. Again I repeat, only the bravest of the brave are Bhaktas and Jnanis. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 3/18/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bharat ji > > as you rightly observed, all these three margas viz. karma, bhakti > and jnana are all inexplicably intertwined. for any person who > marches sincerely on any of these three paths, the destination or > realisation is the same. > > since each person has his or her own constitution of elements, > different moral, psychological and spiritual needs and each > individual having different idiosyncracies and antagonisms, based on > these differences, people choose these three different paths. all > paths lead to same destination only and no path is inferior or > superior to the other. > > however, in my understanding karma marga in which an individual does > self-less service is the best followed by jnana marga where the > person spreads the light of knowledge and the bhakti marga is meant > for those who have no physcial or mental strength to march on karma > and jnana margas. > > with best wishes and regards > pandit arjun > > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > <hinduastrology wrote: > > > > Namaskaar Sri Lakshmi > > > > You cannot be a Jnani without having Bhakti or vice versa. I can > explain > > this but neither you nor Sri Souvik are going to be satisfied. > This is best > > seen within oneself. For enabling the same, let me leave some > pointers: > > > > Intellectual understanding is not Jnana. For example- for me to > say All is > > Brahman, you may appreciate it intellectually, but, may not > realize the > > enormity of this statement. The understanding can only come through > > surrender. And what is surrender - Bhakti! > > > > Now look at the opposite - Bhakti is surrender - Can it come > without Jnana > > that All is the Lord. What did Sri Ramakrishna see - Ma within and > without - > > He was the greatest Jnani. Same with Sri Hanuman. Sri Ramana > Maharishi was a > > greatest Bhakta - he surrendered to Lord of Death. > > > > The measure of a person's spirituality is by the enormity of > reactions he > > has to his environment. The person who is a bhakta - surrenders and > > therefore, does not react. Whenever people see a "Jnani" reacting - > it means > > he is not a Jnani. These are not two paths either. It is the same > cognition > > or recognition. To consider them separate from each other is a > mistake. > > > > Spirituality is for the bravest of the brave and not meant for > those running > > away from life. The process of cognition of Vedic principles is - > Study - > > Questioning - Intellectual understanding (to those lacking the > same must > > perform obligatory duties - karma Yoga) - developing Faith (not > blind > > belief) - Taking risk from stepping out of self imposed > limitations - > > getting signals from Nature - gentle reminders of divinity around - > ...... > > > > I will end now or else another lesson from Bhagavad Gita and the > Upanishads > > might have to start. I leave both of you to believe what you would > like to. > > It is neither my duty nor my desire to change your views but a > hope that you > > will realize this huge principle. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Bharat ji, > > > > > > My understanding, based on my limited reading, is that Jnana & > > > Bhakti are like markata kishora nyaaya and maarjaala kishora > nyaya > > > respectively. in markata kishora nyaya, the responsibility of > safely > > > clinging to mother during a transit is on the baby monkey...a > jnani > > > is like that. whereas in the case of bhakti, the devotee is like > the > > > kitten, he is safely held by the mother. There's a risk of the > > > jnani, losing hold on Mother (God) and falling, like the baby > monkey > > > sometimes does because of its own confusions and inadequacies, > but > > > in the case of the kitten, the Mother itself takes care. > Likewise, > > > Bhagavan Himself takes care of the bhakta. > > > > > > I always felt that both are necessary for reaching God and i take > > > the support of Maha Bharata in this. Bhishma pitamaha was a great > > > jnani, yet, in the final moments of his life he recited Vishnu > > > Sahasranaamam, which marked the high point of devotion. Arjuna > was a > > > great sakha and bhakta of Krishna, yet toards the end the Lord > makes > > > sure that he acquires sufficient jnana also by personally > teaching > > > him in the form of Bhagavad gita. > > > > > > I feel, that one must have jnana, which is bhakti in action, 2nd > > > house being the 10th house from 5th house...in the list of gyana > > > yogas given by Dr. Raman 2nd house/lord has great importance... > > > while bhakti must remain at the heart of jnana (5th house being > 4th > > > from 2nd). > > > > > > Please correct my mistakes. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > > > > > You can take any view, the definition of Bhakti and Jnana > cannot > > > change. If > > > > you take Dwaita - it is Jnana that I and lord are separate and > > > therefore > > > > Bhakti is limited to Lord as separate from oneself. If you > take V- > > > Adwaita, > > > > then, it is Jnana that I am a part of the Lord and therefore > > > Bhakti is of > > > > the same nature. Similarly of Adwaita. Where is the difference > > > between the > > > > two? > > > > It is unnecessary to bring Dwaita, V-Adwaita and Adwaita > > > differences here. > > > > > > > > Bhakti does not mean no thinking. No love can come without > > > understanding. No > > > > understanding can be complete without Bhakti. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > > > Thanks for your enlightening views.My concept of > understanding is > > > > > based on(Visishta) Dwaitha principles .As far as my personal > > > view is > > > > > concerned the ultimate result(undersanding) is Adwaithic > state > > > > > that "the other is not separate from me" comes through the > path > > > of > > > > > dwaitha only. > > > > > > > > > > Internally (as many of us perhaps) I thought and thought > about > > > the > > > > > ultimate truth through Dwaitic concepts as well as Adwaitic > > > concepts > > > > > and found that both are true in part and something more has > to > > > come > > > > > to view them in combination to know the ultimate truth.This > is > > > > > nothing but Jnana marga.Whereas in Bhakti state this > question is > > > > > gradually(or instantaneoulsly) receding and becoming > > > thoughtless/and > > > > > immaterial. > > > > > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu > Astrology" > > > > > > > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you have Bhakti without understanding of the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no two, Jnana and Bhakti are the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Atmanastu Kaamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati" - Brihadaryanka > > > > > Upanishad. This > > > > > > verse has the definitions of love and Bhakti in it and > also of > > > > > Jnana. I am > > > > > > just giving hints here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti is loosely translated as "Divine Love". What is > Love? - > > > An > > > > > > understanding that the other is not separate from me, > which is > > > > > nothing but > > > > > > Jnana. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an error to treat them separately. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice question,please let me share my little > understanding of > > > > > these > > > > > > > divine concepts in few lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti doesn't need mode of language for communication > with > > > the > > > > > > > Divine,It's simply LOVE(LOOSING ONES VERY EXISTENCE) by > > > > > > > concentrating on God.It also doesn't need any > interlocutor > > > for > > > > > > > understanding God.It's mostly instantaneous in formation > and > > > > > > > continues without any means of communication or > > > interlocutors in > > > > > > > between soul and the Divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas gyan is mostly percieved through senses in first > > > stage > > > > > and > > > > > > > progresses with/without crutches of means of > communication > > > and > > > > > > > interlocutors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Goal and ultimate destination of both is the same > viz > > > > > > > realisation of Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind request for Gurujis to evaluate of my understanding > and > > > > > correct > > > > > > > the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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