Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Srinivas Can you have Bhakti without understanding of the same? There is no two, Jnana and Bhakti are the same. "Atmanastu Kaamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati" - Brihadaryanka Upanishad. This verse has the definitions of love and Bhakti in it and also of Jnana. I am just giving hints here. Bhakti is loosely translated as "Divine Love". What is Love? - An understanding that the other is not separate from me, which is nothing but Jnana. It is an error to treat them separately. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi wrote: > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > Nice question,please let me share my little understanding of these > divine concepts in few lines. > > Bhakti doesn't need mode of language for communication with the > Divine,It's simply LOVE(LOOSING ONES VERY EXISTENCE) by > concentrating on God.It also doesn't need any interlocutor for > understanding God.It's mostly instantaneous in formation and > continues without any means of communication or interlocutors in > between soul and the Divine. > > Whereas gyan is mostly percieved through senses in first stage and > progresses with/without crutches of means of communication and > interlocutors. > > The Goal and ultimate destination of both is the same viz > realisation of Divinity. > > Kind request for Gurujis to evaluate of my understanding and correct > the same. > > srinivas > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology<vedic astrology>" > on the web. > > - > vedic astrology<vedic astrology-@gro\ ups.com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Namaskaram Bharatji, Thanks for your enlightening views.My concept of understanding is based on(Visishta) Dwaitha principles .As far as my personal view is concerned the ultimate result(undersanding) is Adwaithic state that "the other is not separate from me" comes through the path of dwaitha only. Internally (as many of us perhaps) I thought and thought about the ultimate truth through Dwaitic concepts as well as Adwaitic concepts and found that both are true in part and something more has to come to view them in combination to know the ultimate truth.This is nothing but Jnana marga.Whereas in Bhakti state this question is gradually(or instantaneoulsly) receding and becoming thoughtless/and immaterial. Srinivas vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > Can you have Bhakti without understanding of the same? > > There is no two, Jnana and Bhakti are the same. > > "Atmanastu Kaamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati" - Brihadaryanka Upanishad. This > verse has the definitions of love and Bhakti in it and also of Jnana. I am > just giving hints here. > > Bhakti is loosely translated as "Divine Love". What is Love? - An > understanding that the other is not separate from me, which is nothing but > Jnana. > > It is an error to treat them separately. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi wrote: > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > > Nice question,please let me share my little understanding of these > > divine concepts in few lines. > > > > Bhakti doesn't need mode of language for communication with the > > Divine,It's simply LOVE(LOOSING ONES VERY EXISTENCE) by > > concentrating on God.It also doesn't need any interlocutor for > > understanding God.It's mostly instantaneous in formation and > > continues without any means of communication or interlocutors in > > between soul and the Divine. > > > > Whereas gyan is mostly percieved through senses in first stage and > > progresses with/without crutches of means of communication and > > interlocutors. > > > > The Goal and ultimate destination of both is the same viz > > realisation of Divinity. > > > > Kind request for Gurujis to evaluate of my understanding and correct > > the same. > > > > srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- astrology<vedic astrology>" > > on the web. > > > > - > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- ?subject=Un> > > > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Srinivas You can take any view, the definition of Bhakti and Jnana cannot change. If you take Dwaita - it is Jnana that I and lord are separate and therefore Bhakti is limited to Lord as separate from oneself. If you take V-Adwaita, then, it is Jnana that I am a part of the Lord and therefore Bhakti is of the same nature. Similarly of Adwaita. Where is the difference between the two? It is unnecessary to bring Dwaita, V-Adwaita and Adwaita differences here. Bhakti does not mean no thinking. No love can come without understanding. No understanding can be complete without Bhakti. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi wrote: > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > Thanks for your enlightening views.My concept of understanding is > based on(Visishta) Dwaitha principles .As far as my personal view is > concerned the ultimate result(undersanding) is Adwaithic state > that "the other is not separate from me" comes through the path of > dwaitha only. > > Internally (as many of us perhaps) I thought and thought about the > ultimate truth through Dwaitic concepts as well as Adwaitic concepts > and found that both are true in part and something more has to come > to view them in combination to know the ultimate truth.This is > nothing but Jnana marga.Whereas in Bhakti state this question is > gradually(or instantaneoulsly) receding and becoming thoughtless/and > immaterial. > > Srinivas > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > <hinduastrology wrote: > > > > Namaskaar Sri Srinivas > > > > Can you have Bhakti without understanding of the same? > > > > There is no two, Jnana and Bhakti are the same. > > > > "Atmanastu Kaamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati" - Brihadaryanka > Upanishad. This > > verse has the definitions of love and Bhakti in it and also of > Jnana. I am > > just giving hints here. > > > > Bhakti is loosely translated as "Divine Love". What is Love? - An > > understanding that the other is not separate from me, which is > nothing but > > Jnana. > > > > It is an error to treat them separately. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 3/17/06, smadavi <smadavi wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaram Bharatji, > > > > > > Nice question,please let me share my little understanding of > these > > > divine concepts in few lines. > > > > > > Bhakti doesn't need mode of language for communication with the > > > Divine,It's simply LOVE(LOOSING ONES VERY EXISTENCE) by > > > concentrating on God.It also doesn't need any interlocutor for > > > understanding God.It's mostly instantaneous in formation and > > > continues without any means of communication or interlocutors in > > > between soul and the Divine. > > > > > > Whereas gyan is mostly percieved through senses in first stage > and > > > progresses with/without crutches of means of communication and > > > interlocutors. > > > > > > The Goal and ultimate destination of both is the same viz > > > realisation of Divinity. > > > > > > Kind request for Gurujis to evaluate of my understanding and > correct > > > the same. > > > > > > srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic- > astrology<vedic astrology>" > > > > on the web. > > > > > > - > > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > - Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=\ Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Uokti\ PHSoTwQkpGMXBNeEg> Vedic > astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart\ &w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=q\ NtEn5POAbTpzmtNKIdnHA> Astrology > horoscope</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+c\ hart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.s\ ig=8kShDb5zI-EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+cha\ rt&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig\ =Je51jg697mjdLNt6iLuaCw> > > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology<vedic astrology>" > on the web. > > - > vedic astrology<vedic astrology-@gro\ ups.com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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