Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Well, let me take the first green opportunity of improving over Mr. Dakshinmoorthy's response !! :) Sun is represents the soul. If you look at the Nakshatra of Sun at 10 deg in Aries, it happens to be Ashwini, whose Lord is Ketu. Ketu represents moksha or salvation i.e. Soul attaining Moksha or Liberation !! Moon represents Mind, which exalts at 3 deg in Taurus, i.e. Nakshatra of Krittika whose Lord is Sun. Soul & Mind together !! Such a unified attention or concentration - synchronization happening the environment of emotional & sensous Venus sign of Taurus !! No distractions whatsoever !! Mars represents the action oriented planet gets exalts at 28 deg. in Capricon in Nakshatra of Dhanista whose Lord is Mars !! A brave man in battlefield in his natural fiery form that too in his enemy camp !! Such a display of valor can only be possible by Great Mars !! Mercury represents intelligence, gets exalted at 15 deg in Virgo, in Nakshatra of Hasta, whose Lord is Moon. Mind + Intellect in its native form. What a combination. Jupiter ( Wisdom & Wealth ) gets exalts at 5 deg in Cancer in the Nakshatra of Pushya whose Lord is Saturn ( Commoner). A true person of wisdom does not get carried away with wealth to which he distributes to common people. Hence, popularity. Venus gets exalted at 27 deg in Pisces in Nakshatra of Revati whose Lord is Mercury. Venus is planet of enjoyment who do NOT like to listen to words of wisdom of Jupiter. Hence, uses intelligence to sustain and bring logics to work of enjoyment !! Saturn gets exalted at 20 deg in Libra in Nakshatra of Swati whose Lord is Rahu. Saturn represents poverty, poor & general public. Rahu also stands for bigotry. Both in Venus sign. Common man getting surrounded by Luxuries of Venus and getting lost. To retain common sense in such state requires exalted Saturn ( Rahu acts like Saturn ). Now interpret the same for debilitation. Kindly do the homework and post it in forum for others to comment and learn !!! while you gain in this process. Here also lies the method of interpreting the Nakshtra Methods of Interpretation. Extract of Mr. Dakshinmoorthy's e-mail reply on the subject: Quote I will try to explain the logic or rather the action of these seemingly paradoxical planetary dignities: 1) You have written "Mars gets exalted in the house of his enemy - Saturn." I beg to differ......Saturn is not an enemy for Mars, only Mercury is the enemy for Mars. Saturn is neutral for Mars. The paradox comes when Mars is debilitated in the house of his yogakaraka - Moon. We will see how the combination works.....Exalted Mars in the house of Saturn means that perseverance (signified by Saturn) combined with Courage (signified by Mars)will definitely make a person successful. Mars can show its full potential here. Courage (Mars) and vascillation (signified by Moon) do not go together well! Mars cannot show its potential in Cancer where it is debilitated. 2) "Venus is exalted in the house of Jupiter"......Actually, Venus considers Jupiter to be its enemy, while Jupiter does not consider Venus as an arch enemy. It can be verified from the fact that Dhanus (Sagittarius) is a friendly sign for Venus. According to Mythology, Kacha - the son of Brihaspati (Jupiter) cunningly stole the secret of Mritasanjivini mantra from Sukracharya (Venus) by winning the heart of sukra's daughter Devayani, based on the advice of Brihaspati (Jupiter). So, Venus has strong reasons for being inimical to Jupiter, while Jupiter will definitely respect Venus as a vidwan ( Real experts always have the highest regards for each other even if they are in rival camps!). Thus it is no wonder that enus - the vidwan is respected and gains an exalted status in the house of another vidwan - Jupiter. Since a planet has to get debilitated in the 7th sign from which it is exalted, Venus is debilitated in Virgo - the sign of Mercury which is actually a friend to Venus. Venus stands for beauty and sensual pleasures. It is rightfully exalted and shows its full potential in the sign of the best natural benefic - Jupiter. It cannot show its full potential in the house of the enuch - Mercury. Fruitful sensuality cannot bloom in the house of an enuch is it not? Unquote Sreeram Srinivas Home : +91 11 2785 1519 Cell : +91 98682 31817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Respected Sreeram Srinivasji, Pardon my audacity but your reasons as to why planets get exalted in certain nakshtras did not convince me at all. 1. My Reasons: a) Mer is a bitter enemy of Mon. why would it get exalted in the nakshatra of Moon? b) Ketu eclipses the Sun and afflicts it, why would such a Sun be exalted in the nakshtra of Ketu? c) Why would Venus get exalted in a nakshtra of a planet (Mercury) in whose house it is terribly debilitated (Virgo)? d) The most unconvincing is the logic behind Saturn getting exalted in Rah's nakshtra. 2. What if we see it this way. a) Sun exalted in Ashwini nak. The nak. is ruled by Ashwins kumars, the son of Sun himself.The Ashwini kumars needs Sun for their medical needs and thus Sun's exaltation. b) Moon gets exalted in Krittika. Well, it is the birth star of the Moon, why not then? Moreover Agni can only perform its sacrifice with Mantras, for which it need the Moon. (Mantra-jo maan (Moon) ko tran deta hai) c) Mars gets exalted in the nak. ruled by the Vasus, the demi-gods who served Indra. They can be compared to commaders in the Vedic era. Only with their valour can they please Indra, so they need Mars and hence Mars gets exalted there. d) Mercury rules Mahar Loka and gets exalted in Hasta lorded by God Savitar, the creative form of the Sun God. If we see the hyms of Savitar from Rig Veda, it stated that Savitar sustains the universe. It requires Mercury to do that. e) Pushya is ruled by Brihaspati, the God of Divine wisdom. It he who needs Guru for his work. f) Revati is ruled by Pushan, the nourishing form of the Sun God. Well, Venus has the power of mrit javjeevani only and Sun needs it to nourish. See that both Mer and Ven are aspects of the Sun good. We all know that they can never be far from the Sun. g) Swati is ruled by Vayu, the God of the Wind. Saturn is restriction. All our breaths are restricted to a finite no. Vayu needs Saturn and that is why it gets exalted there. Please feel free to correct me. Regards, Souvik vedic astrology, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote: > > Well, let me take the first green opportunity of improving over Mr. > Dakshinmoorthy's response !! :) > > Sun is represents the soul. If you look at the Nakshatra of Sun at 10 deg > in Aries, it happens to be Ashwini, whose Lord is Ketu. Ketu represents > moksha or salvation i.e. Soul attaining Moksha or Liberation !! > > Moon represents Mind, which exalts at 3 deg in Taurus, i.e. Nakshatra of > Krittika whose Lord is Sun. Soul & Mind together !! Such a unified > attention or concentration - synchronization happening the environment of > emotional & sensous Venus sign of Taurus !! No distractions whatsoever !! > > Mars represents the action oriented planet gets exalts at 28 deg. in > Capricon in Nakshatra of Dhanista whose Lord is Mars !! A brave man in > battlefield in his natural fiery form that too in his enemy camp !! Such a > display of valor can only be possible by Great Mars !! > > Mercury represents intelligence, gets exalted at 15 deg in Virgo, in > Nakshatra of Hasta, whose Lord is Moon. Mind + Intellect in its native > form. What a combination. > > Jupiter ( Wisdom & Wealth ) gets exalts at 5 deg in Cancer in the Nakshatra > of Pushya whose Lord is Saturn ( Commoner). A true person of wisdom does > not get carried away with wealth to which he distributes to common people. > Hence, popularity. > > Venus gets exalted at 27 deg in Pisces in Nakshatra of Revati whose Lord is > Mercury. Venus is planet of enjoyment who do NOT like to listen to words > of wisdom of Jupiter. Hence, uses intelligence to sustain and bring logics > to work of enjoyment !! > > Saturn gets exalted at 20 deg in Libra in Nakshatra of Swati whose Lord is > Rahu. Saturn represents poverty, poor & general public. Rahu also > stands for bigotry. Both in Venus sign. Common man getting surrounded by > Luxuries of Venus and getting lost. To retain common sense in such state > requires exalted Saturn ( Rahu acts like Saturn ). > > Now interpret the same for debilitation. Kindly do the homework and post > it in forum for others to comment and learn !!! while you gain in this > process. Here also lies the method of interpreting the Nakshtra Methods of > Interpretation. > > Extract of Mr. Dakshinmoorthy's e-mail reply on the subject: > Quote > > I will try to explain the logic or rather the action of these seemingly > paradoxical planetary dignities: > > 1) You have written "Mars gets exalted in the house of his enemy - Saturn." > I beg to differ......Saturn is not an enemy for Mars, only Mercury is the > enemy for Mars. Saturn is neutral for Mars. The paradox comes when Mars is > debilitated in the house of his yogakaraka - Moon. We will see how the > combination works.....Exalted Mars in the house of Saturn means that > perseverance (signified by Saturn) combined with Courage (signified by > Mars)will definitely make a person successful. Mars can show its full > potential here. Courage (Mars) and vascillation (signified by Moon) do > not go together well! Mars cannot show its potential in Cancer where it is > debilitated. 2) "Venus is exalted in the house of Jupiter"......Actually, > Venus considers Jupiter to be its enemy, while Jupiter does not consider > Venus as an arch enemy. It can be verified from the fact that Dhanus > (Sagittarius) is a friendly sign for Venus. > > According to Mythology, Kacha - the son of Brihaspati (Jupiter) cunningly > stole the secret of Mritasanjivini mantra from Sukracharya (Venus) by > winning the heart of sukra's daughter Devayani, based on the advice of > Brihaspati (Jupiter). So, Venus has strong reasons for being inimical to > Jupiter, while Jupiter will definitely respect Venus as a vidwan ( Real > experts always have the highest regards for each other even if they are > in rival camps!). Thus it is no wonder that enus - the vidwan is respected > and gains an exalted status in the house of another vidwan - Jupiter. > Since a planet has to get debilitated in the 7th sign from which it is > exalted, Venus is debilitated in Virgo - the sign of Mercury which is > actually a friend to Venus. Venus stands for beauty and sensual > pleasures. It is rightfully exalted and shows its full potential in > the sign of the best natural benefic - Jupiter. It cannot show its full > potential in the house of the enuch - Mercury. Fruitful sensuality cannot > bloom in the house of an enuch is it not? > > Unquote > Sreeram Srinivas > Home : +91 11 2785 1519 > Cell : +91 98682 31817 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Kind Attn : Souvik Dutta I write in forum to express my views. To get convinced or confused is left to the readers !! If you are happy with the logics stated in your e-mail response, be it so !! I rarely write to argue. Incase, you are not convinced with my logics, as mentioned in your mail, all that I can say the feeling is mutual !! With regards, sreeram srinivas sreeram64 vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote: Respected Sreeram Srinivasji, Pardon my audacity but your reasons as to why planets get exalted in certain nakshtras did not convince me at all. 1. My Reasons: a) Mer is a bitter enemy of Mon. why would it get exalted in the nakshatra of Moon? b) Ketu eclipses the Sun and afflicts it, why would such a Sun be exalted in the nakshtra of Ketu? c) Why would Venus get exalted in a nakshtra of a planet (Mercury) in whose house it is terribly debilitated (Virgo)? d) The most unconvincing is the logic behind Saturn getting exalted in Rah's nakshtra. 2. What if we see it this way. a) Sun exalted in Ashwini nak. The nak. is ruled by Ashwins kumars, the son of Sun himself.The Ashwini kumars needs Sun for their medical needs and thus Sun's exaltation. b) Moon gets exalted in Krittika. Well, it is the birth star of the Moon, why not then? Moreover Agni can only perform its sacrifice with Mantras, for which it need the Moon. (Mantra-jo maan (Moon) ko tran deta hai) c) Mars gets exalted in the nak. ruled by the Vasus, the demi-gods who served Indra. They can be compared to commaders in the Vedic era. Only with their valour can they please Indra, so they need Mars and hence Mars gets exalted there. d) Mercury rules Mahar Loka and gets exalted in Hasta lorded by God Savitar, the creative form of the Sun God. If we see the hyms of Savitar from Rig Veda, it stated that Savitar sustains the universe. It requires Mercury to do that. e) Pushya is ruled by Brihaspati, the God of Divine wisdom. It he who needs Guru for his work. f) Revati is ruled by Pushan, the nourishing form of the Sun God. Well, Venus has the power of mrit javjeevani only and Sun needs it to nourish. See that both Mer and Ven are aspects of the Sun good. We all know that they can never be far from the Sun. g) Swati is ruled by Vayu, the God of the Wind. Saturn is restriction. All our breaths are restricted to a finite no. Vayu needs Saturn and that is why it gets exalted there. Please feel free to correct me. Regards, Souvik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Respected Sreeram Srinivasji, I am honored to have received a response from you. BTW, when you wrote this mail Moon was in Saturn's nakshatra of Pushya 1st. pada ruled by Saturn (even the sub lord was Saturn). For the astrological analysis only, could you please let me know if you have any of the Saturn houses in the 6th., 8th or 12th.? Again these are completely my views and I don't mind if any member is not convinced and states that with their own understanding. If the astrological reasons stated by the member seems incorrect to me, I will state the same and have a great non-emotional discussion with the member. If I have astrological reasons of the member seems correct to me I will accept it publicly and try to test other theories with the same. Again these are my views of operation in a learning group. However I am willing to change that too if a member states with logic why this is incorrect. :) Student Always, Souvik vedic astrology, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote: > > Kind Attn : Souvik Dutta > > I write in forum to express my views. To get convinced or confused is left > to the readers !! If you are happy with the logics stated in your e-mail > response, be it so !! I rarely write to argue. Incase, you are not > convinced with my logics, as mentioned in your mail, all that I can say the > feeling is mutual !! > > With regards, > sreeram srinivas > sreeram64 > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > Respected Sreeram Srinivasji, > > Pardon my audacity but your reasons as to why planets get exalted in certain > nakshtras did not convince me at all. > > 1. My Reasons: > a) Mer is a bitter enemy of Mon. why would it get exalted in the nakshatra > of Moon? > b) Ketu eclipses the Sun and afflicts it, why would such a Sun be exalted in > the nakshtra of Ketu? > c) Why would Venus get exalted in a nakshtra of a planet (Mercury) in whose > house it is terribly debilitated (Virgo)? > d) The most unconvincing is the logic behind Saturn getting exalted in Rah's > nakshtra. > > 2. What if we see it this way. > a) Sun exalted in Ashwini nak. The nak. is ruled by Ashwins kumars, the son > of Sun himself.The Ashwini kumars needs Sun for their medical needs and thus > Sun's exaltation. > b) Moon gets exalted in Krittika. Well, it is the birth star of the Moon, > why not then? Moreover Agni can only perform its sacrifice with Mantras, for > which it need the Moon. (Mantra-jo maan (Moon) ko tran deta hai) > c) Mars gets exalted in the nak. ruled by the Vasus, the demi-gods who > served Indra. They can be compared to commaders in the Vedic era. Only with > their valour can they please Indra, so they need Mars and hence Mars gets > exalted there. > d) Mercury rules Mahar Loka and gets exalted in Hasta lorded by God Savitar, > the creative form of the Sun God. If we see the hyms of Savitar from Rig > Veda, it stated that Savitar sustains the universe. > It requires Mercury to do that. > e) Pushya is ruled by Brihaspati, the God of Divine wisdom. It he who needs > Guru for his work. > f) Revati is ruled by Pushan, the nourishing form of the Sun God. > Well, Venus has the power of mrit javjeevani only and Sun needs it to > nourish. See that both Mer and Ven are aspects of the Sun good. > We all know that they can never be far from the Sun. > g) Swati is ruled by Vayu, the God of the Wind. Saturn is restriction. All > our breaths are restricted to a finite no. Vayu needs Saturn and that is why > it gets exalted there. > > Please feel free to correct me. > > Regards, > > Souvik > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear Srinivas ji, That was a great response. I too would like to share my ideas on the basic logic employed in the development of concepts like, Exaltation- Debilitation, Lordship of houses (Swekshetradhipathya), Desa periods allotted to planets etc. My thoughts are rather maths based. But due to non-availability of exact reference material here in my workplace, I am postponing it to a later occasion. I truly liked the logic employed by Srinivas ji, since they point to the fact that the determination of Exaltation-Debilitation has some fundamental connection with Stellar divisions. Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote: > > Well, let me take the first green opportunity of improving over Mr. > Dakshinmoorthy's response !! :) > > Sun is represents the soul. If you look at the Nakshatra of Sun at 10 deg > in Aries, it happens to be Ashwini, whose Lord is Ketu. Ketu represents > moksha or salvation i.e. Soul attaining Moksha or Liberation !! > > Moon represents Mind, which exalts at 3 deg in Taurus, i.e. Nakshatra of > Krittika whose Lord is Sun. Soul & Mind together !! Such a unified > attention or concentration - synchronization happening the environment of > emotional & sensous Venus sign of Taurus !! No distractions whatsoever !! > > Mars represents the action oriented planet gets exalts at 28 deg. in > Capricon in Nakshatra of Dhanista whose Lord is Mars !! A brave man in > battlefield in his natural fiery form that too in his enemy camp !! Such a > display of valor can only be possible by Great Mars !! > > Mercury represents intelligence, gets exalted at 15 deg in Virgo, in > Nakshatra of Hasta, whose Lord is Moon. Mind + Intellect in its native > form. What a combination. > > Jupiter ( Wisdom & Wealth ) gets exalts at 5 deg in Cancer in the Nakshatra > of Pushya whose Lord is Saturn ( Commoner). A true person of wisdom does > not get carried away with wealth to which he distributes to common people. > Hence, popularity. > > Venus gets exalted at 27 deg in Pisces in Nakshatra of Revati whose Lord is > Mercury. Venus is planet of enjoyment who do NOT like to listen to words > of wisdom of Jupiter. Hence, uses intelligence to sustain and bring logics > to work of enjoyment !! > > Saturn gets exalted at 20 deg in Libra in Nakshatra of Swati whose Lord is > Rahu. Saturn represents poverty, poor & general public. Rahu also > stands for bigotry. Both in Venus sign. Common man getting surrounded by > Luxuries of Venus and getting lost. To retain common sense in such state > requires exalted Saturn ( Rahu acts like Saturn ). > > Now interpret the same for debilitation. Kindly do the homework and post > it in forum for others to comment and learn !!! while you gain in this > process. Here also lies the method of interpreting the Nakshtra Methods of > Interpretation. > > Extract of Mr. Dakshinmoorthy's e-mail reply on the subject: > Quote > > I will try to explain the logic or rather the action of these seemingly > paradoxical planetary dignities: > > 1) You have written "Mars gets exalted in the house of his enemy - Saturn." > I beg to differ......Saturn is not an enemy for Mars, only Mercury is the > enemy for Mars. Saturn is neutral for Mars. The paradox comes when Mars is > debilitated in the house of his yogakaraka - Moon. We will see how the > combination works.....Exalted Mars in the house of Saturn means that > perseverance (signified by Saturn) combined with Courage (signified by > Mars)will definitely make a person successful. Mars can show its full > potential here. Courage (Mars) and vascillation (signified by Moon) do > not go together well! Mars cannot show its potential in Cancer where it is > debilitated. 2) "Venus is exalted in the house of Jupiter"......Actually, > Venus considers Jupiter to be its enemy, while Jupiter does not consider > Venus as an arch enemy. It can be verified from the fact that Dhanus > (Sagittarius) is a friendly sign for Venus. > > According to Mythology, Kacha - the son of Brihaspati (Jupiter) cunningly > stole the secret of Mritasanjivini mantra from Sukracharya (Venus) by > winning the heart of sukra's daughter Devayani, based on the advice of > Brihaspati (Jupiter). So, Venus has strong reasons for being inimical to > Jupiter, while Jupiter will definitely respect Venus as a vidwan ( Real > experts always have the highest regards for each other even if they are > in rival camps!). Thus it is no wonder that enus - the vidwan is respected > and gains an exalted status in the house of another vidwan - Jupiter. > Since a planet has to get debilitated in the 7th sign from which it is > exalted, Venus is debilitated in Virgo - the sign of Mercury which is > actually a friend to Venus. Venus stands for beauty and sensual > pleasures. It is rightfully exalted and shows its full potential in > the sign of the best natural benefic - Jupiter. It cannot show its full > potential in the house of the enuch - Mercury. Fruitful sensuality cannot > bloom in the house of an enuch is it not? > > Unquote > Sreeram Srinivas > Home : +91 11 2785 1519 > Cell : +91 98682 31817 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Dear Souvik, I have given my reasoning on exaltation in my webpage: http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html Ys, Dhira Krsna dasa, web sites: <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html> <Dhira_ayanamsa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Dear Dhira Krsnaji, Many thanks for the pointer. Regards, Souvik vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS wrote: > > Dear Souvik, > > I have given my reasoning on exaltation in my webpage: > http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html > > Ys, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > web sites: <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html> > <Dhira_ayanamsa> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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