Asking questions...Bharat ji

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Bharat ji,

 

I not only concur with youbut also want to add that,

I call today's VIGYAN as ,

"That Which is Vimukh from real GYAN.

And VIGYANIS as,

"Those who are VIMUKH from real GYAN.

 

Actually what science professes to have and be is

Information and not KNOWLEDGE.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

--- Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology

wrote:

 

> Namaskaar Sri Pran

>

> I had written about Science, Freedom and Astrology

> on this forum and other

> forums. This article is available in the archives

> and if you miss it, I

> shall post it again. I have given indications in

> this article that Science

> is unscientific!

>

> Sri Khushwant Singh, may be a very good literate

> person but he is not very

> educated about the matters of the Religion. By the

> power of the Lord that

> manifests as freedom of choice, he can proclaim

> anything as scientific or

> unscientific. We need not believe him or try to

> change him to our

> understanding. Maybe we have forgotten Edison failed

> 999 times.

>

> I have worked on a scientific project of analysing

> speech signals and

> comparing the two. I failed 400 times in my efforts.

> I am still trying. Why

> am I called scientific, while astrologers are called

> unscientific? My father

> is a National Award winner and has a Presidential

> medal for Scientific

> discoveries, and he failed a number of times too.

> Noone calls him

> unscientific because of this failures. We are we so

> afraid of failing? After

> all, what are we predicting - The Results of our

> Actions. The results of

> actions are given by the Lord and we are attempting

> to find how the Lord

> will give results!

>

> The problem does not lie with Astrology, but with

> our attitude towards this

> divine subject. Why do we want Astrology to be

> accepted as science, when it

> is more than Science? Astrology is science and more.

> If people fail to

> understand its uses and limitations, they are bound

> to make assumptions

> about the same.

>

> In my view, astrology needs to develop into a proper

> subject, that is taught

> in Universities and formal research is initiated.

> There has to an

> International library and Research Center for

> Astrology.

>

> There is nothing wrong in being wrong in your

> predictions, but keep studying

> and being true to yourself till knowledge dawns upon

> each one of us and you

> are able to make predictions clearly and honestly.

> Herein, I thank those who

> have this knowledge and share it with the forum.

>

> As far as cheats are concerned, they are only

> cheating themselves and sooner

> or later destiny will play a role. Have Faith.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> On 2/27/06, pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kishore,

> > I appreciate your concern at the students not

> doing enough hardwork in

> > learning astrology and like things served on a

> platter. Howsoever hard

> > we work at improving the existing astrological

> knowledge and try to

> > not only expand its base but also render it the

> scientific

> > respectability, the impression outside is one of

> contempt for this

> > science. Khushwant Singh, the well known

> journalist of yore who writes

> > for the Hindustan Times on Saturdays (With Malice

> towards one and

> > all)has given a very disrespectful comment to

> astrology in his column

> > of Feb; 25,2006. I am tempted to quote it in

> full:-

> > " ...(talking about the proposed matrimonial

> prospects of Abhishek and

> > Aishwarya)Not so pleasant was to hear that all

> these well educated

> > people shoud set store by what an astrologer's

> predictions. He assured

> > them that all will be well, sooner the better. For

> good measure, he

> > added a few words in Sanskrit to lend sanctity to

> his prophecy. Not

> > one of them was able to forecast calamities like

> the Partition (10

> > million uprooted, 100000 dead), assassination of

> the Bapu, Indira

> > Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, earthquakes or the

> tsunami-the list of disasters

> > unpredicted is endless. All that the fraternity of

> astrologers did was

> > to later claim that they had forecast these

> events, which is totally

> > false."

> > And then he gives some examples of astrological

> predictions that went

> > wrong in his knowledge including a dig at Murli

> Manohar Joshi, the

> > scientist by calling him "chief patron of this

> hoax of a so-called

> > science, could not forecast his own defeat at the

> polls."

> > Unfortunately all this is true. This is a hard

> reality. Astrologers

> > have not been able to put this knowledge on the

> pedestal of science so

> > far for failure to relate it to daily happenings

> in our social life. I

> > often give the example of Sh Ram Dev who is doing

> a yeoman's service

> > by giving scientific credence to Yoga and has now

> entered the phase of

> > clinical trials, the basis of scientific

> reasoning.

> > So what is required is not to discuss complex

> astrological jargons or

> > write fanciful books for the use of a limited

> astrologists' fraternity

> > but to take astrology to masses. And this will be

> possible only when

> > we try to satisfy a larger number of querists with

> simple and correct

> > predictions. But then comes the question back "Is

> this possible?"

> > Pran Razdan

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "kishore

> mohan"

> > <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > I have seen that the people here and in other

> groups are asking

> > > sometimes simple and basic questions. It only

> means they are not

> > > doing the basic reading themselves and take

> these forums to be a

> > > consultancy groups. The very purpose of these

> groups will be lost if

> > > such simple questions, answers for which can be

> found in any of the

> > > standard text books, are posed.

> > >

> > > Recently, one girl has asked me a question. I

> told her I dont know

> > > the answer but advised her to read BPHS for

> basic details and also,

> > > asked her to the Centre's archieves for more

> information.

> > >

> > > That girl immediately refused such advises. It

> is bad that people

> > > want things on a platter. These groups are here

> to help people,beyond

> > > the self help, not servicing idle curiosity

> mongers. I dont mean that

> > > those who are asking the questions are idle

> curiosity mongers but in

> > > case of this girl who did not want to spend

> time, effort and money on

> > > knowledge but wanted it absolutely free of cost

> seemed to me so.

> > >

> > > Second kind of question mongers are those who

> pose their problems on

> > > one forum and the learned members will put in

> their

> > > knowledge,especially the spiritual energy to

> reply such questions.

> > >

> > > It is obvious that the queriest did not take the

> remedies suggested

> > > therin seriously, since with in a short span of

> time, the same

> > > question is posed in other forums.

> > >

> > > Once I suggested to a person, who was bemoaning

> > > the "knowledgelessness" of people on these

> forums

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