a thread on seeming paradox in planetary dignities

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> > dakshinamoorthi r

> > wrote:

> >Dear Renuji:

> >

> > I will try to explain the logic or rather the

> action

> > of these seemingly paradoxical planetary

> dignities:

> >

> > 1) You have written "Mars gets exalted in the

> house

> > of his enemy - Saturn." I beg to

> differ......Saturn

> > is not an enemy for Mars, only Mercury is the

> enemy

> > for Mars. Saturn is neutral for Mars.

> >

> > The paradox comes when Mars is debilitated in the

> > house of his yogakaraka - Moon.

> >

> > We will see how the combination works.....Exalted

> > Mars

> > in the house of Saturn means that perseverance

> > (signified by Saturn) combined with Courage

> > (signified

> > by Mars)will definitely make a person successful.

> > Mars can show its full potential here.

> >

> > Courage (Mars) and vascillation (signified by

> > Moon)do

> > not go together well! Mars cannot show its

> potential

> > in Cancer where it is debilitated.

> >

> > 2) "Venus is exalted in the house of

> > Jupiter"......Actually, Venus considers Jupiter to

> > be

> > its enemy, while Jupiter does not consider Venus

> as

> > an

> > arch enemy. It can be verified from the fact that

> > Dhanus (Sagittarius) is a friendly sign for Venus.

>

> > According to Mythology, Kacha - the son of

> > Brihaspati

> > (Jupiter) cunningly stole the secret of

> > Mritasanjivini

> > mantra from Sukracharya (Venus) by winning the

> heart

> > of sukra's daughter Devayani, based on the advice

> of

> > Brihaspati (Jupiter). So, Venus has strong reasons

> > for being inimical to Jupiter, while Jupiter will

> > definitely respect Venus as a vidwan ( Real

> experts

> > always have the highest regards for each other

> even

> > if

> > they are in rival camps!). Thus it is no wonder

> that

> > Venus - the vidwan is respected and gains an

> exalted

> > status in the house of another vidwan - Jupiter.

> > Since a planet has to get debilitated in the 7th

> > sign

> > from which it is exalted, Venus is debilitated in

> > Virgo - the sign of Mercury which is actually a

> > friend

> > to Venus.

> >

> > Venus stands for beauty and sensual pleasures. It

> is

> > rightfully exalted and shows its full potential in

> > the

> > sign of the best natural benefic - Jupiter.

> >

> > It cannot show its full potential in the house of

> > the

> > enuch - Mercury. Fruitful sensuality cannot bloom

> in

> > the house of an enuch is it not?

> >

> > Blessed be.

 

> --- Renuka Prematillake wrote:

>

> > Dear respected Sir,

> >

> > First of all thank you very much for your prompt

> > explanation once again. No wonder you have

> hundreds

> > of emails to answer in addition to your other

> work.

> > But it is amazing the way you answer to each and

> > everyone who expects your services!

> >

> > Coming to the subject, you have give a wonderful

> > explanation Sir. Saturn is neutral for Mars. Yes,

> I

> > thought of this too. And, I think Mars will show

> > it's maximum courage when provoked, especially by

> > injustice. Right? So the logic behind his

> exaltation

> > is understandable. But then why is it said that

> > Saturn in conjunction with Mars is extremely bad?

> > Especially when this happens in the 8th house it

> > says that the death of the native is sure to be of

> a

> > violent way! But since they are neutral to each

> > other why would such a thing happen? Can't they be

> > just decent especially when they are 'visitors'

> and

> > not in an enemey house either.

> >

> > No questions about Mars's debilitation and thank

> > you for rightly bringing out the 'logic' behind

> it.

> >

> > Am I to assume from this that debilitated Venus is

> > better for a person seeking spirituality than an

> > exalted Venus, since sensual pleasures are denied

> to

> > a native with debilitated Venus. I mean, isn't the

> > path more clear since detachment is made much

> easier

> > by debilitated Venus?

> >

> > Stories behind astrology are beautiful and so does

> > it seems very interesting when it is wisely

> > explained.

> >

> > Thank you so much, Sir.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

 

dakshinamoorthi r

> wrote:

> Dear Renuji:

>

> Yes, you are right in assuming a debilitated Venus

> is

> good for a person who is into spiritual pursuits.

> But, we cannot assume that they will not have their

> quota of carnal misadventures! What is guaranteed is

> that their frustrations or difficulties in such

> relationships will help them to develop a realistic

> attitude towards romance and help them to

> concentrate

> more on the "REAL" relationship, i.e. their

> relationship with themselves....their inner soul, so

> that they can concentrate more on reducing their

> karmic burden.

>

> As regards "Mars conjunct Saturn" in 8th house

> giving

> violent death, excessively courageous people

> invariably develop enemies naturally. As you have

> rightly remarked....Mars gets provoked by injustice

> and many a person who fights injustice has suffered

> a

> violent death. I hope this explains your doubt.

>

> Blessed be.

>

>

 

> >

 

--- Renuka Prematillake wrote:

 

> Dear respected Sir,

>

> Thanks so much, Sir, for giving your valuable

> time. I am enlightened with more on this issue I

> had, and let me think and analyse it more leisurely,

> with relevant to each and every house/sign. I mean

> Saturn & Mars conjunction.

>

> Sir, to tell you frankly this particular

> conjunction has worried be ever since I started to

> read on astrology because in my son's horoscope,

> Pisces lagna, Saturn is exalted in the 8th house and

> is with 9th lord Mars. So I try to get information

> as much as possible regarding this combination in

> order to give my mind some rest. I think I will have

> to be satisfied with your explanation. But I will

> certailnly analyse this more to make sure that he is

> not going to get any miserable departure. I know

> when I consult you I will gain more knowledge

> regarding 'shanthi karma' to mitigate this undesired

> conjunction.I am worried becuase since his small

> days I have guided him to do some service to the

> world from the talents he's being gifted with,

> specifically his oratorical and debating talents. I

> have seen this conjunction in many of his friends

> who are exceptionally bright/talented. I wonder why?

>

> Blessings

>

> Renu

>

>

dakshinamoorthi r wrote..

Dear Renuji:

 

Do not worry! By Divine Grace, the ill-effects

attributable to adverse planetary combinations can be

overcome to a great extent.

 

Mars, saturn combination gives excellent analytical

powers and oratorical abilities as you have rightly

remarked. Count this blessing.......and forget about

the ill-effects attributed to that combination! A

danger sign that reads "Accident Prone Zone: Drive

cautiously" does not mean that our vehicle will meet

with an accident. It only means that we should be

careful to avoid the calamity. Horoscopic indicators

are only such danger signs and need not be given too

much credence. Divine Grace and Providence decide our

Fate and that will be ALWAYS for the good of our soul.

 

Blessed be.

 

--- Renuka Prematillake wrote:

Dear respected Sir,

 

How beautifully you console our minds! From the beginning you have

directed me and others too, to whom you give your valuable advice,

along an illuminated path. You do have Divine Grace, Sir. It's your

fine and appropriate similies, which draw the attention of the reader,

no doubt. I wish others were able to read those, but unfortunatley

these are not postsed in the vedic astrology Forum, for

reasons unknown to me. Sir, being a Buddhist, I can tell you that

Gautama Lord Buddha had always a beautiful simile for explanation of

Dhamma to laymen.

 

Although my queries may be a kind of personal, your answers to those

should be invaluable to most of us in the forum. Well, I cannot help

it anyway, though I sincerely wish that others could read your

answers.

[Guest guest]

Dear respected Sir,

 

Thank you very much for your generosity.

 

Blessings

 

Renunw

 

-- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> > > dakshinamoorthi r

> > > wrote:

> > >Dear Renuji:

> > >

> > > I will try to explain the logic or rather the

> > action

> > > of these seemingly paradoxical planetary

> > dignities:

> > >

> > > 1) You have written "Mars gets exalted in the

> > house

> > > of his enemy - Saturn." I beg to

> > differ......Saturn

> > > is not an enemy for Mars, only Mercury is the

> > enemy

> > > for Mars. Saturn is neutral for Mars.

> > >

> > > The paradox comes when Mars is debilitated in the

> > > house of his yogakaraka - Moon.

> > >

> > > We will see how the combination works.....Exalted

> > > Mars

> > > in the house of Saturn means that perseverance

> > > (signified by Saturn) combined with Courage

> > > (signified

> > > by Mars)will definitely make a person successful.

> > > Mars can show its full potential here.

> > >

> > > Courage (Mars) and vascillation (signified by

> > > Moon)do

> > > not go together well! Mars cannot show its

> > potential

> > > in Cancer where it is debilitated.

> > >

> > > 2) "Venus is exalted in the house of

> > > Jupiter"......Actually, Venus considers Jupiter to

> > > be

> > > its enemy, while Jupiter does not consider Venus

> > as

> > > an

> > > arch enemy. It can be verified from the fact that

> > > Dhanus (Sagittarius) is a friendly sign for Venus.

> >

> > > According to Mythology, Kacha - the son of

> > > Brihaspati

> > > (Jupiter) cunningly stole the secret of

> > > Mritasanjivini

> > > mantra from Sukracharya (Venus) by winning the

> > heart

> > > of sukra's daughter Devayani, based on the advice

> > of

> > > Brihaspati (Jupiter). So, Venus has strong reasons

> > > for being inimical to Jupiter, while Jupiter will

> > > definitely respect Venus as a vidwan ( Real

> > experts

> > > always have the highest regards for each other

> > even

> > > if

> > > they are in rival camps!). Thus it is no wonder

> > that

> > > Venus - the vidwan is respected and gains an

> > exalted

> > > status in the house of another vidwan - Jupiter.

> > > Since a planet has to get debilitated in the 7th

> > > sign

> > > from which it is exalted, Venus is debilitated in

> > > Virgo - the sign of Mercury which is actually a

> > > friend

> > > to Venus.

> > >

> > > Venus stands for beauty and sensual pleasures. It

> > is

> > > rightfully exalted and shows its full potential in

> > > the

> > > sign of the best natural benefic - Jupiter.

> > >

> > > It cannot show its full potential in the house of

> > > the

> > > enuch - Mercury. Fruitful sensuality cannot bloom

> > in

> > > the house of an enuch is it not?

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

>

> > --- Renuka Prematillake wrote:

> >

> > > Dear respected Sir,

> > >

> > > First of all thank you very much for your prompt

> > > explanation once again. No wonder you have

> > hundreds

> > > of emails to answer in addition to your other

> > work.

> > > But it is amazing the way you answer to each and

> > > everyone who expects your services!

> > >

> > > Coming to the subject, you have give a wonderful

> > > explanation Sir. Saturn is neutral for Mars. Yes,

> > I

> > > thought of this too. And, I think Mars will show

> > > it's maximum courage when provoked, especially by

> > > injustice. Right? So the logic behind his

> > exaltation

> > > is understandable. But then why is it said that

> > > Saturn in conjunction with Mars is extremely bad?

> > > Especially when this happens in the 8th house it

> > > says that the death of the native is sure to be of

> > a

> > > violent way! But since they are neutral to each

> > > other why would such a thing happen? Can't they be

> > > just decent especially when they are 'visitors'

> > and

> > > not in an enemey house either.

> > >

> > > No questions about Mars's debilitation and thank

> > > you for rightly bringing out the 'logic' behind

> > it.

> > >

> > > Am I to assume from this that debilitated Venus is

> > > better for a person seeking spirituality than an

> > > exalted Venus, since sensual pleasures are denied

> > to

> > > a native with debilitated Venus. I mean, isn't the

> > > path more clear since detachment is made much

> > easier

> > > by debilitated Venus?

> > >

> > > Stories behind astrology are beautiful and so does

> > > it seems very interesting when it is wisely

> > > explained.

> > >

> > > Thank you so much, Sir.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

> dakshinamoorthi r

> > wrote:

> > Dear Renuji:

> >

> > Yes, you are right in assuming a debilitated Venus

> > is

> > good for a person who is into spiritual pursuits.

> > But, we cannot assume that they will not have their

> > quota of carnal misadventures! What is guaranteed is

> > that their frustrations or difficulties in such

> > relationships will help them to develop a realistic

> > attitude towards romance and help them to

> > concentrate

> > more on the "REAL" relationship, i.e. their

> > relationship with themselves....their inner soul, so

> > that they can concentrate more on reducing their

> > karmic burden.

> >

> > As regards "Mars conjunct Saturn" in 8th house

> > giving

> > violent death, excessively courageous people

> > invariably develop enemies naturally. As you have

> > rightly remarked....Mars gets provoked by injustice

> > and many a person who fights injustice has suffered

> > a

> > violent death. I hope this explains your doubt.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

> >

>

> > >

>

> --- Renuka Prematillake wrote:

>

> > Dear respected Sir,

> >

> > Thanks so much, Sir, for giving your valuable

> > time. I am enlightened with more on this issue I

> > had, and let me think and analyse it more leisurely,

> > with relevant to each and every house/sign. I mean

> > Saturn & Mars conjunction.

> >

> > Sir, to tell you frankly this particular

> > conjunction has worried be ever since I started to

> > read on astrology because in my son's horoscope,

> > Pisces lagna, Saturn is exalted in the 8th house and

> > is with 9th lord Mars. So I try to get information

> > as much as possible regarding this combination in

> > order to give my mind some rest. I think I will have

> > to be satisfied with your explanation. But I will

> > certailnly analyse this more to make sure that he is

> > not going to get any miserable departure. I know

> > when I consult you I will gain more knowledge

> > regarding 'shanthi karma' to mitigate this undesired

> > conjunction.I am worried becuase since his small

> > days I have guided him to do some service to the

> > world from the talents he's being gifted with,

> > specifically his oratorical and debating talents. I

> > have seen this conjunction in many of his friends

> > who are exceptionally bright/talented. I wonder why?

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> dakshinamoorthi r wrote..

> Dear Renuji:

>

> Do not worry! By Divine Grace, the ill-effects

> attributable to adverse planetary combinations can be

> overcome to a great extent.

>

> Mars, saturn combination gives excellent analytical

> powers and oratorical abilities as you have rightly

> remarked. Count this blessing.......and forget about

> the ill-effects attributed to that combination! A

> danger sign that reads "Accident Prone Zone: Drive

> cautiously" does not mean that our vehicle will meet

> with an accident. It only means that we should be

> careful to avoid the calamity. Horoscopic indicators

> are only such danger signs and need not be given too

> much credence. Divine Grace and Providence decide our

> Fate and that will be ALWAYS for the good of our soul.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> --- Renuka Prematillake wrote:

> Dear respected Sir,

>

> How beautifully you console our minds! From the beginning you have

> directed me and others too, to whom you give your valuable advice,

> along an illuminated path. You do have Divine Grace, Sir. It's your

> fine and appropriate similies, which draw the attention of the

reader,

> no doubt. I wish others were able to read those, but unfortunatley

> these are not postsed in the vedic astrology Forum, for

> reasons unknown to me. Sir, being a Buddhist, I can tell you that

> Gautama Lord Buddha had always a beautiful simile for explanation

of

> Dhamma to laymen.

>

> Although my queries may be a kind of personal, your answers to

those

> should be invaluable to most of us in the forum. Well, I cannot

help

> it anyway, though I sincerely wish that others could read your

> answers.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear respected Sir,

 

Thank you very much for posting this as a thread. More than anything

else I think hope your simile.....

 

> danger sign that reads "Accident Prone Zone: Drive

> cautiously" does not mean that our vehicle will meet

> with an accident. It only means that we should be

> careful to avoid the calamity. Horoscopic indicators

> are only such danger signs and need not be given too

> much credence. Divine Grace and Providence decide our

> Fate and that will be ALWAYS for the good of our soul"...

 

would guide everybody who wants to lead a good life.

 

Thank you once again.

 

Blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> > > dakshinamoorthi r

> > > wrote:

> > >Dear Renuji:

> > >

> > > I will try to explain the logic or rather the

> > action

> > > of these seemingly paradoxical planetary

> > dignities:

> > >

> > > 1) You have written "Mars gets exalted in the

> > house

> > > of his enemy - Saturn." I beg to

> > differ......Saturn

> > > is not an enemy for Mars, only Mercury is the

> > enemy

> > > for Mars. Saturn is neutral for Mars.

> > >

> > > The paradox comes when Mars is debilitated in the

> > > house of his yogakaraka - Moon.

> > >

> > > We will see how the combination works.....Exalted

> > > Mars

> > > in the house of Saturn means that perseverance

> > > (signified by Saturn) combined with Courage

> > > (signified

> > > by Mars)will definitely make a person successful.

> > > Mars can show its full potential here.

> > >

> > > Courage (Mars) and vascillation (signified by

> > > Moon)do

> > > not go together well! Mars cannot show its

> > potential

> > > in Cancer where it is debilitated.

> > >

> > > 2) "Venus is exalted in the house of

> > > Jupiter"......Actually, Venus considers Jupiter to

> > > be

> > > its enemy, while Jupiter does not consider Venus

> > as

> > > an

> > > arch enemy. It can be verified from the fact that

> > > Dhanus (Sagittarius) is a friendly sign for Venus.

> >

> > > According to Mythology, Kacha - the son of

> > > Brihaspati

> > > (Jupiter) cunningly stole the secret of

> > > Mritasanjivini

> > > mantra from Sukracharya (Venus) by winning the

> > heart

> > > of sukra's daughter Devayani, based on the advice

> > of

> > > Brihaspati (Jupiter). So, Venus has strong reasons

> > > for being inimical to Jupiter, while Jupiter will

> > > definitely respect Venus as a vidwan ( Real

> > experts

> > > always have the highest regards for each other

> > even

> > > if

> > > they are in rival camps!). Thus it is no wonder

> > that

> > > Venus - the vidwan is respected and gains an

> > exalted

> > > status in the house of another vidwan - Jupiter.

> > > Since a planet has to get debilitated in the 7th

> > > sign

> > > from which it is exalted, Venus is debilitated in

> > > Virgo - the sign of Mercury which is actually a

> > > friend

> > > to Venus.

> > >

> > > Venus stands for beauty and sensual pleasures. It

> > is

> > > rightfully exalted and shows its full potential in

> > > the

> > > sign of the best natural benefic - Jupiter.

> > >

> > > It cannot show its full potential in the house of

> > > the

> > > enuch - Mercury. Fruitful sensuality cannot bloom

> > in

> > > the house of an enuch is it not?

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

>

> > --- Renuka Prematillake wrote:

> >

> > > Dear respected Sir,

> > >

> > > First of all thank you very much for your prompt

> > > explanation once again. No wonder you have

> > hundreds

> > > of emails to answer in addition to your other

> > work.

> > > But it is amazing the way you answer to each and

> > > everyone who expects your services!

> > >

> > > Coming to the subject, you have give a wonderful

> > > explanation Sir. Saturn is neutral for Mars. Yes,

> > I

> > > thought of this too. And, I think Mars will show

> > > it's maximum courage when provoked, especially by

> > > injustice. Right? So the logic behind his

> > exaltation

> > > is understandable. But then why is it said that

> > > Saturn in conjunction with Mars is extremely bad?

> > > Especially when this happens in the 8th house it

> > > says that the death of the native is sure to be of

> > a

> > > violent way! But since they are neutral to each

> > > other why would such a thing happen? Can't they be

> > > just decent especially when they are 'visitors'

> > and

> > > not in an enemey house either.

> > >

> > > No questions about Mars's debilitation and thank

> > > you for rightly bringing out the 'logic' behind

> > it.

> > >

> > > Am I to assume from this that debilitated Venus is

> > > better for a person seeking spirituality than an

> > > exalted Venus, since sensual pleasures are denied

> > to

> > > a native with debilitated Venus. I mean, isn't the

> > > path more clear since detachment is made much

> > easier

> > > by debilitated Venus?

> > >

> > > Stories behind astrology are beautiful and so does

> > > it seems very interesting when it is wisely

> > > explained.

> > >

> > > Thank you so much, Sir.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

> dakshinamoorthi r

> > wrote:

> > Dear Renuji:

> >

> > Yes, you are right in assuming a debilitated Venus

> > is

> > good for a person who is into spiritual pursuits.

> > But, we cannot assume that they will not have their

> > quota of carnal misadventures! What is guaranteed is

> > that their frustrations or difficulties in such

> > relationships will help them to develop a realistic

> > attitude towards romance and help them to

> > concentrate

> > more on the "REAL" relationship, i.e. their

> > relationship with themselves....their inner soul, so

> > that they can concentrate more on reducing their

> > karmic burden.

> >

> > As regards "Mars conjunct Saturn" in 8th house

> > giving

> > violent death, excessively courageous people

> > invariably develop enemies naturally. As you have

> > rightly remarked....Mars gets provoked by injustice

> > and many a person who fights injustice has suffered

> > a

> > violent death. I hope this explains your doubt.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

> >

>

> > >

>

> --- Renuka Prematillake wrote:

>

> > Dear respected Sir,

> >

> > Thanks so much, Sir, for giving your valuable

> > time. I am enlightened with more on this issue I

> > had, and let me think and analyse it more leisurely,

> > with relevant to each and every house/sign. I mean

> > Saturn & Mars conjunction.

> >

> > Sir, to tell you frankly this particular

> > conjunction has worried be ever since I started to

> > read on astrology because in my son's horoscope,

> > Pisces lagna, Saturn is exalted in the 8th house and

> > is with 9th lord Mars. So I try to get information

> > as much as possible regarding this combination in

> > order to give my mind some rest. I think I will have

> > to be satisfied with your explanation. But I will

> > certailnly analyse this more to make sure that he is

> > not going to get any miserable departure. I know

> > when I consult you I will gain more knowledge

> > regarding 'shanthi karma' to mitigate this undesired

> > conjunction.I am worried becuase since his small

> > days I have guided him to do some service to the

> > world from the talents he's being gifted with,

> > specifically his oratorical and debating talents. I

> > have seen this conjunction in many of his friends

> > who are exceptionally bright/talented. I wonder why?

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> dakshinamoorthi r wrote..

> Dear Renuji:

>

> Do not worry! By Divine Grace, the ill-effects

> attributable to adverse planetary combinations can be

> overcome to a great extent.

>

> Mars, saturn combination gives excellent analytical

> powers and oratorical abilities as you have rightly

> remarked. Count this blessing.......and forget about

> the ill-effects attributed to that combination! A

> danger sign that reads "Accident Prone Zone: Drive

> cautiously" does not mean that our vehicle will meet

> with an accident. It only means that we should be

> careful to avoid the calamity. Horoscopic indicators

> are only such danger signs and need not be given too

> much credence. Divine Grace and Providence decide our

> Fate and that will be ALWAYS for the good of our soul.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> --- Renuka Prematillake wrote:

> Dear respected Sir,

>

> How beautifully you console our minds! From the beginning you have

> directed me and others too, to whom you give your valuable advice,

> along an illuminated path. You do have Divine Grace, Sir. It's your

> fine and appropriate similies, which draw the attention of the

reader,

> no doubt. I wish others were able to read those, but unfortunatley

> these are not postsed in the vedic astrology Forum, for

> reasons unknown to me. Sir, being a Buddhist, I can tell you that

> Gautama Lord Buddha had always a beautiful simile for explanation

of

> Dhamma to laymen.

>

> Although my queries may be a kind of personal, your answers to

those

> should be invaluable to most of us in the forum. Well, I cannot

help

> it anyway, though I sincerely wish that others could read your

> answers.

>