Fwd: RE: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala...

February 21, 2006

|| hare rama krishna ||

namaste Swee ji

"The language is not ancient Sanskrit where there was less tendency of using

synonyms there (an opinion after reading tomes of it; but am no expert!!)

The slokas are more modern phenomenon to use words like "Avaneya". It is

interesting to note that midway in the first line of shloka 81 the author has

forgotten that he is writing for Viguna graha Dharanaa. Certainly not something

the ancients would do! I venture a guess that this comes from Jaina source

of astrological texts which are of a much later origin. Gaurav, what do you

think?"

This is precisely my point, the authenticity of this "translation"

.....anyways, I will bring it up with my Jain Rishis next trip to India.....I

know

nothing of it currently.

Gaurav Jain

In a message dated 2/22/2006 4:20:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

swee writes:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Gaurav,

Namaste

Yes, please do so. Can you write this to the list so everyone will be aware

of it.

Love,

Swee

__

Yobrevol [Yobrevol]

Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:54 PM

swee

Re: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Translation of slokas from

Mani Mala ...

"Hare Rama Krishna "

namaste Swee ji

The language is not ancient Sanskrit where there was less tendency of using

synonyms there (an opinion after reading tomes of it; but am no expert!!)

The slokas are more modern phenomenon to use words like "Avaneya". It is

interesting to note that midway in the first line of shloka 81 the author has

forgotten that he is writing for Viguna graha Dharanaa. Certainly not

something the ancients would do! I venture a guess that this comes from Jaina

source

of astrological texts which are of a much later origin. Gaurav, what do you

think?"

This is precisely my point, the authenticity of this "translation"

.....anyways, I will bring it up with my Jain Rishis next trip to India.....I

know

nothing of it currently.

In a message dated 2/21/2006 5:28:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

swee writes:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Richard and Arjun,

Namaste

I do not to donating a gomeda to a leper. Do you? What's he going

to do? Take away your bad karma on your behalf when he himself is riddled

with disease?

We need to be more realistic here. The Puranas do not to such

remedies. Instead, they do suggest dakshina to a Brahmana/Purohit. This is so

that we hope the Brahmana/Purohit can take away some of our bad karma. This can

be done in one of several ways: When transits are averse or just before the

person dies/or during a shraddha.

My suggestion is that, gifts (of gems and other items) have to be new and

not your cast offs.

Regarding the slokas sent by Richard (embedded below), these are my initial

thoughts:

The language is not ancient Sanskrit where there was less tendency of using

synonyms there (an opinion after reading tomes of it; but am no expert!!)

The slokas are more modern phenomenon to use words like "Avaneya". It is

interesting to note that midway in the first line of shloka 81 the author has

forgotten that he is writing for Viguna graha Dharanaa. Certainly not

something the ancients would do! I venture a guess that this comes from Jaina

source

of astrological texts which are of a much later origin. Gaurav, what do you

think?

But there does not appear to be any variance about the ratnas that need to

be worn from that of Narada Purana as long as we relate the Ratnas which are

recommended for Dana as they relate to the grahas.

What is in variance is in the matter of those that need to be worn.

A careful look indicates that the shlokas are describing Viguna - meaning

that when the grahas are inimical â€“ for example, Jupiter is malefic

(functional

malefic), the recommendation is to wear Pearl. For Cancer lagna Jupiter will

be malefic being the 6th moolatrikona lord, and here strengthening Moon will

certainly make sense as Jupiter is going to create health problems and also

since Moon does not own any bad house. More so if Jupiter is occupying the

8th House!

In the 3rd sloka, the author appears to have changed the basis on which he's

written the first two shlokas.

For the meaning to be clear, one must also get the shlokas, that indicate

what is Viguna. I assume that it must be given the book. Much would depend on

which position of a graha or its rasi is called as Viguna.

Love,

Swee

-----Original Message-----

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of panditarjun2004

Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:28 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on

Planetary G...

namaste richard ji

the simple rule of anukul/pratikul remedies are clear like this.

retain or wear the objects of a beneficial planet.

donate or throw in water the objects of a malefic planet.

in lalkitab system of remedies, this is what is followed precisely.

after years of research through lalkitab remedies, i found stones

would work positively only if those planets are beneficial to the

native in a chart. when the planets are malefic, since natives

cannot afford donating precious stones, they can donate objects

related to those malefic planets. this is where lalkitab comes

handy.

i do not agree with gauravji's observation that if you wear a pearn

for moon, besides moon, jupiter would also be benefited and at the

same time mars gets debilitated. in my knowledge stones have

scientific properties and their single objective is to

receive/absorb the cosmic energies of the respective planets.

simply put, if you wear a stone for a particular planet, if that

planet is a benefic the native gets positive results, and if that

planet is malefic, the native gets negative results.

because of these ambivalence in stone recommendations, i recommend

rudraksha as several puranas attribute lords to each rudaksha and

also attribute what benefits the wearer gets. no anukul, no

pratikul. also it has no negative affects.

with best wishes

arjun

--- In vedic astrology, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Dear Sriman,

>

> The translations of Mani Mala by Tagore - Verses 79-81 are

correct. I have uploaded the

> original Sanskrit texts to the PHOTOS section of this group for

anyone to check.

>

> Verses 80-81 make no sense. Therefore it appears that Mani Mala is

an imperfect source

> of gem knowledge. And it should not be followed as is.

>

> One thing interesting is that books on Indian gemology, like Mani

Mala, they only talk

> about adverse planets. And they never mention what to do for

Anukul planets (which is

> obviously to wear the gem for the Anukul graha, viz., Anukula-

vad)!??

>

> Point is that for Pratikul Graha we DONATE the gem (ratna-arpana),

and for Anukul Graha

> we WEAR the gem. Based on the philosophy that gems strengthen

their plant when worn,

> and reduce their planet when donated. One is accepting, other is

giving away.

>

> Best rgds,

> Richard

>

> vedic astrology, yobrevol@ wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Namaste Richard Ji,

> >

> > So they are actually correct. Please understand that my

reservations were

> > not personal towards you in nature, rather towards the stated

translation. I am

> > in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I also come from

Anukul school of

> > thought as taught by my guru.

> >

> > I am just trying to figure out why would mani mala say what it

states in

> > sloka 80+...have you read another version of mani mala

translated by another

> > author...?

> >

> > To think that we should wear Blue sapphire for adverse moon is

beyond my

> > limited understanding, specially when we make a blunt general

statement like

> > that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor debilitated in saturn

signs, and then

> > the author of mani mala further suggests wearing a pearl for

adverse

> > Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so their is inconsistency

here...

> >

> > Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other learned will throw

some light...

> >

> > Namaste

> > Gaurav Jain

> >

> > In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > rsbj66@ writes:

> >

> > Dear Sriman,

> >

> > Namaste!!! I am not suggesting anything, these are three slokas

taken from

> > Mani Mala

> > written by SM Tagore published in 1879. I'm just putting these

slokas out

> > for comment.

> >

> > I personally agree with the first sloka 79. When Sun is adverse

one should

> > DONATE a ruby,

> > for adverse Moon one should donate a pearl, as in Ratna-dana-

vidhi

> >

> > And when these planets are beneficial (anukul) then one should

WEAR the

> > associated gem,

> > as if Sun is anukul in the chart then Ruby can be worn, as in

ratna-dharana.

> >

> > Gem should be WORN for good planet / gem should be DONATED for

bad planet.

> >

> > I personally disagree with slokas 80-81. But as they are from

the famous

> > Mani Mali so I

> > have put them for your interest.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Richard

> >

> > vedic astrology, yobrevol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Namaste richard ji,

> > >

> > > If I am reading it correctly , what you are suggesting via

these slokas is

> >

> > > that we should give away diamond to propitiate venus, and at

the same time

> > wear

> > > diamond when venus is adverse? and that we wear blue

sapphire to nullify

> > > adverse effects of moon?....lets not forget that jupiter

exalts in

> > cancer, so

> > > how in the right mind can we suggest wearing pearl to "ward

off" the

> > adverse

> > > effects of jupiter...?

> > >

> > > are you sure about the authenticity of the translations?

> > >

> > > Also, to the learned, where can I get a copy of Mani mala?

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > > Gaurav Jain

> > >

> > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > rsbj66@ writes:

> > >

> > > Translation 79: Ill Stars and how to propitiate them by

bestowal (dana)

> > > of gems:

> > >

> > > When the Sun is hostile (donate) a pure ruby; when the Moon,

a good

> > > pearl; when Mangala, a good coral; when Budha, a good

emerald; when

> > > Brihaspati, a good yellow sapphire; when Shukra, the

diamond; when

> > > Shani, a good blue sapphire; when Rahu, the gomeda; and when

Ketu, a

> > > good cat's eye, should be donated

> > >

> > > Translation 80-81: Ill Stars and how to ward them off by

wearing

> > > (dharan) of gems:

> > >

> > > If the Sun is adverse, (wear) the cat's eye; if the Moon,

the blue

> > > sapphire; if Mangala, the ruby; if Budha, the ruby too; if

Vrihaspati,

> > > the pearl; if Shukra, the diamond; if Shani, the great blue

sapphire;

> > > if Rahu, the gomeda, and if Ketu, the emerald, should be

worn.

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