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Dear Anilkumar ji,Arjun ji ,Bharatji Namaskaar

 

EkaVimshopi(21) constituents of Sookshma shareera are composed of

dwadasha(12) Budhindriyaadis and navapranas.

Here 12,Budhi-indriyaadis are Budhi,Manas and 10 Indriyas.

 

Arjun ji as you may be aware,Organs are different from indriyas.

1)Jnanendriyas -smell,taste,see,touch,hear.

2)Karmendriyas -excrete,reproduce,move,grasp,speak.

Thus nose,ear,legs etc are the organs corresponding to the above 10

indriyas.

Nava Pranas are -

Pranan,Apanan,Samanan,Vyanan,Udanan,Nagam,Koormam,Krikalam &

Devadattam.Tenth Prana Dhananjaya,is for dead bodies.

 

Rashi is sthoola shareera ,comprising of Organs.But organs are just

structures if there is no life.Thus Purusha manifests as Prana.

 

Trimshamshas are pancha jnanendriyas.Sun and Moon do not have any

ownership here.When we think it is clear.

It is the indriyas through which we are drawing impressions from the

external and hence the cause for evils.

 

Can indriyas alone be considered as a Bhava?No.Bhava is the confluence

of many.We should think how it is possible to study all aspects

pertaining to a jataka from ''Rashi Chakra''.

This is possible as, one rashi becomes a bhava,when it has a lord w.r

to lagna.For properly understanding the functioning of each Bhava,we

have to see the subtle infleunces on bhava nathas.Each subtle

infleunce will have a role,for eg,navamsha infleunce is corresponding

to kalathra,bhagya etc.

Thus sookshma shareera acts in sync with corresponding sthoola

shareera organs.Trying to study them in isolation or considering Bhava

there is beyond my understanding.Others who have understood may

explain for better comprehension.We should think why we do not have

shlokas to support bhavas in vargamsha groupings.Why is Vargottama

important?Any planet is a Bhavanatha or karaka.When he is having

similar subtle and gross infleuences,shubha results.

 

When time permits ,i can share some more from the works of

Mahamunis,if it is helpful for you.Mind - and its

constituents,improtance of chitta(past impressions and),Budhi,

Ahamkara etc.Chitta is also 5th house and PoorvaPunya.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> namaste bharat ji

>

> i am looking at how to read from the signs, houses or planets on all

> kinds of indriyas (not body organs). we all learnt how bodily parts

> are read from various houses starting from head from langa to feet

> in the 12th. please share on reading of these indriyas (sensory and

> non-sensory) from a sign/house/planet.

>

> the two nadis ida and pingala are related to sun and moon.

> similarly please share how the five vayus are read in astrology. i

> understand that the seven chakras (mooladhara, svadhisthana,

> manipuraka, anahata, vishuddha, ajna and sahasrara) can also be read

> from a chart and have their correlation with signs, houses and

> planets. would be grateful if any member share information on this.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

> <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Arjun

> >

> > The Jnanaindriyas are the five senses of perception. The five

> karma indriyas

> > are organs of speech, hands, legs, organ of procreation, and organ

> of

> > excretion. The pranamaya kosha (prana, apana, udana, vyana and

> samana)

> > provide the forces that make the indriyas function.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 2/18/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear anil ji

> > >

> > > you wrote:

> > >

> > > > Pradeep:Thus Rashis are 12 and they constitue 12 organs as

> well as

> > > > 12 bhavas.Sookshma shareera consists of navapranas and 12

> indiryas.

> > > > Anil:There are 5 Jnyanendriyas and 5 Karmendriyas so 10 only.

> > > > Please give supporting verses. Organs and Indriyas are

> different.

> > >

> > > without knowing whether the indriyas are twelve or ten, i would

> request

> > > you to give their correlation to signs or houses in seriatim for

> me to

> > > learn more.

> > >

> > > yes you are right in saying that organs are different from

> indriyas and

> > > it is organs which we consider for medical astrology. if you

> share

> > > your knowledge on indriyas it would help me understand better.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > >

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Namaskaar Sri Pradeep

 

It is no use giving simple explanations on the forum.

 

Taittirya Upanishad Chapter XIII: Than that, verily -than this one formed of

Prana -there is another self within formed of Manas. By Him this one is

filled.

 

When we talk of Jnana indriyas, we talk of two things- organs of perception

and their stimuli being registered in the mind. As the indriyas by itself

cannot bring Jnana or cognition, it is the Manomaya Kosha or the Mind that

brings it. The word Jnana indriyas therefore refers to perception. To say

perception rests with the Mind is okay to say that senses rest with the

mind, will be incorrect. So Jnana indriyas is another function of the mind

and a different one from its other functions. It should not be taken as a

separate organ or a place or else.

 

The mano maya kosha is the first kosha in the order from gross to subtle to

be show cognition as it has more of Sattva Guna as compared to Pranamaya

kosha which is mostly Rajas and Anamayakosha that is mostly Tamas. So here

in lies the instrument of karana sakti, and the bhoga sakti. As of product

of Jnana sakti, it has various vrittis.

 

"Desire, representation, doubt, faith, want of faith, want of firmness,

shame, reflection, fear - all in mind" - Brihadaryanka Upanishad 1-5-3

 

So among many functions Jnana Indriyas is the cognition of perception. But

senses shall remain in the sthoola sarira. Pranas that prevades the anamaya

kosha or the sthoola sarira, shall be the sthana of Karma Indriyas, meaning

the enabling the function of action. It is the carrier of Manomaya kosha's

directives to the limbs and organs of actions of the body. Again it is one

of the functions and not a separate place, or identity.

 

As Mano-maya kosha prevades the pranamaya kosha, the function of perception

shall prevade the pranamaya kosha but the senses itself shall not prevade

the pranamaya kosha. As Pranamaya does not have distinct parts, just as in

manomaya kosha, it is a unity present in every part of the body performing

its functions.

 

Now, I see you mention 10 pranas. It is correct, though generally 5

prominent ones are used and in the Upanishad these five are mentioned.

(Maitreya Up. 2-6)

 

Trimshamshas are pancha jnanendriyas.Sun and Moon do not have any

ownership here.When we think it is clear.

It is the indriyas through which we are drawing impressions from the

external and hence the cause for evils.

 

If we see the same, then, what I had suggested to you and the forum, earlier

could be true. D1-D12 - Anamaya kosha D13-D24 Pranamaya Kosha, D25-D36

(where in D30 lies) Manomaya Kosha. (This was followed by chat with Sri Hari

and Sri Parthasarathy too)

 

Could then, divisional charts (D25-D36) relate to the different functions of

the mind? I am certain of two things:

1. They can be used separately in view of the above- how we need to find

out. Possible clues could be checking the cognition of different stimuli,

what desires move about, in what the person's faith lies, etc. After all,

the causes of bodily actions lie in these charts, there is much more to

them.

 

2. More research is needed.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 2/19/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Anilkumar ji,Arjun ji ,Bharatji Namaskaar

>

> EkaVimshopi(21) constituents of Sookshma shareera are composed of

> dwadasha(12) Budhindriyaadis and navapranas.

> Here 12,Budhi-indriyaadis are Budhi,Manas and 10 Indriyas.

>

> Arjun ji as you may be aware,Organs are different from indriyas.

> 1)Jnanendriyas -smell,taste,see,touch,hear.

> 2)Karmendriyas -excrete,reproduce,move,grasp,speak.

> Thus nose,ear,legs etc are the organs corresponding to the above 10

> indriyas.

> Nava Pranas are -

> Pranan,Apanan,Samanan,Vyanan,Udanan,Nagam,Koormam,Krikalam &

> Devadattam.Tenth Prana Dhananjaya,is for dead bodies.

>

> Rashi is sthoola shareera ,comprising of Organs.But organs are just

> structures if there is no life.Thus Purusha manifests as Prana.

>

> Trimshamshas are pancha jnanendriyas.Sun and Moon do not have any

> ownership here.When we think it is clear.

> It is the indriyas through which we are drawing impressions from the

> external and hence the cause for evils.

>

> Can indriyas alone be considered as a Bhava?No.Bhava is the confluence

> of many.We should think how it is possible to study all aspects

> pertaining to a jataka from ''Rashi Chakra''.

> This is possible as, one rashi becomes a bhava,when it has a lord w.r

> to lagna.For properly understanding the functioning of each Bhava,we

> have to see the subtle infleunces on bhava nathas.Each subtle

> infleunce will have a role,for eg,navamsha infleunce is corresponding

> to kalathra,bhagya etc.

> Thus sookshma shareera acts in sync with corresponding sthoola

> shareera organs.Trying to study them in isolation or considering Bhava

> there is beyond my understanding.Others who have understood may

> explain for better comprehension.We should think why we do not have

> shlokas to support bhavas in vargamsha groupings.Why is Vargottama

> important?Any planet is a Bhavanatha or karaka.When he is having

> similar subtle and gross infleuences,shubha results.

>

> When time permits ,i can share some more from the works of

> Mahamunis,if it is helpful for you.Mind - and its

> constituents,improtance of chitta(past impressions and),Budhi,

> Ahamkara etc.Chitta is also 5th house and PoorvaPunya.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> >

> > namaste bharat ji

> >

> > i am looking at how to read from the signs, houses or planets on all

> > kinds of indriyas (not body organs). we all learnt how bodily parts

> > are read from various houses starting from head from langa to feet

> > in the 12th. please share on reading of these indriyas (sensory and

> > non-sensory) from a sign/house/planet.

> >

> > the two nadis ida and pingala are related to sun and moon.

> > similarly please share how the five vayus are read in astrology. i

> > understand that the seven chakras (mooladhara, svadhisthana,

> > manipuraka, anahata, vishuddha, ajna and sahasrara) can also be read

> > from a chart and have their correlation with signs, houses and

> > planets. would be grateful if any member share information on this.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

> > <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Arjun

> > >

> > > The Jnanaindriyas are the five senses of perception. The five

> > karma indriyas

> > > are organs of speech, hands, legs, organ of procreation, and organ

> > of

> > > excretion. The pranamaya kosha (prana, apana, udana, vyana and

> > samana)

> > > provide the forces that make the indriyas function.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 2/18/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear anil ji

> > > >

> > > > you wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Pradeep:Thus Rashis are 12 and they constitue 12 organs as

> > well as

> > > > > 12 bhavas.Sookshma shareera consists of navapranas and 12

> > indiryas.

> > > > > Anil:There are 5 Jnyanendriyas and 5 Karmendriyas so 10 only.

> > > > > Please give supporting verses. Organs and Indriyas are

> > different.

> > > >

> > > > without knowing whether the indriyas are twelve or ten, i would

> > request

> > > > you to give their correlation to signs or houses in seriatim for

> > me to

> > > > learn more.

> > > >

> > > > yes you are right in saying that organs are different from

> > indriyas and

> > > > it is organs which we consider for medical astrology. if you

> > share

> > > > your knowledge on indriyas it would help me understand better.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Group info: vedic-

> > astrology/info.html

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

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> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

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