Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Gaurav When you say, Gem gets spoilt with Human Karma, are you suggesting that the Devas residing in the Gem get affected by Human beings? In such a case, why are we wearing the Gems? Furthermore, as Sri Gauranga also put it, that when one steals the Gem, the diety refuses to give results and instead can give Maraka results. Doesn't this mean that Gem is not governed by the wearer's karma? If I delve in deeper, supposing a person wearing a Yellow Sapphire goes and murders someone, what would you think: 1. That Yellow Sapphire was not a pure one and did not have effect. 2. That Yellow Sapphire was a pure one and he did the right thing for upholding the dharma. 3. Now the effects Yellow Sapphire is destroyed and its diety has left it and the gemstone which was alive earlier, is now dead. If such is the case, wouldn't the diety return if someone decent was to wear the same stone? 4. Or is it that the diety never returns to the gemstone again? And why is that? 5. Why was the diety in there for the first reason? Who is this diety? Why was he in the Gemstone? Who is more powerful - the Gemstone or the Human Being? On a lighter note, it was nice interacting with you at Delhi conference. I hope your Jaipur trip was fruitful and hope to see you again. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 2/14/06, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Namaste Gauranga Ji , skotak ji and all, > > Living or Dead gems? May I please speak my mind. > > When we talk about life or lack of it in gems what are we really saying? > we > are defining parameters of "Jyotish Quality Gems". This "life" is the > essence > to the use of gems in remedial jyotish. Without this "life", gems are > just > left with ornamental value. Yes, you get chemical properties in each gem > variant and yes you have color therapy at work but their is MORE to > wearing gems > that have "life" in them , and it is this "more" that actually works > miracles > by inviting the deity associated to grace the gem. > > All fine gems have brilliant faceting, maximum color, flawless clarity > and > significant carat weight- all this put together makes them a fine quality > gem, > but to qualify to be called a "jyotish quality gemstone", it has to be > more...It has to all of the above qualities naturally, it has to be free > from > prior use (which makes the gem carry wearer's karma, good or bad) to give > sweet > netural and saattvic feel. Sri. Gauranga ji most accurately calls this > the > "inviting" effect as a result of "life" of the gem. > > For example, for those of you who know a little bit about gems, all blue > topaz is commercially enchaned white topaz that is heavily used in > ornaments > today, if you try and feel it you will feel a repulsive effect that is > almost > Rahu like; cause- the radiation treatment method to change the color from > white > to blue ( or other shades for that matter). Similarly, treatments like > glass > filings (specially in emeralds), heating (quartz, topaz), diffusion > (corundum), oiling (feldspar, agates, beryl), re-construction (coral, > turquoise), > thermal enhancements etc leave the gems empty in its "auric" value and > lifeless > therefore not fit for Jyotish use. > > A good gem starts showing results even before you wear it, tells my guru, > > and I am living proof of it... > > Namaste > Gaurav Jain > > > n a message dated 2/13/2006 9:50:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > skotak35 writes: > > I hope this words do not suit for any object on the earth. > Even stone has some vibrations . It is not visible by nacked eyes. > Any one having little knowledge of modern sciencs knows that Nothing is > dead > on the planet. It varies in terms of Vibrations. Unified field of anergy > > interacts every second with what we think and what we generate vibrations > and > energy. > > Colot therapy is used in the word since decades. Gem therapy is not new. > During second world war, Those prisoners kept in the room with Red Glass > windows were gradually going towards insanitation. It was known fact. > Megnat > therapy, originated from France was also one of the subject while we > study > alternative medicines. > > skotak > > Gauranga Das <gaurangad wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear members, > > Namaste. > > Let me just add one thought to the dead-or-alive question. Besides the > quality and the flaws, gems are living entities. There are souls in them. > > So this is what is meant by a living or a dead gem. A gem with a flaw is > usually dead, as the body is unable to carry the soul any more. But there > > will be good effect only from a living gem, which was obtained in a > righteous way. For example many of the large gems in the British crown > were snatched from Indian temples. So a gem stolen from the Deity is > highly inauspicious, therefore we can suspect that this has helped the > destruction of the British Empire. > > How can one decide that the gem is living or dead? Usually you feel it. > You will have a strong attraction towards a living gem, while the dead > one > is not so attractive, similarly to the body. When its living, its > attractive, when its dead, tis repulsive. > > Of course a ince gemstona can also be dead in some cases, or even worse > than that, loaded with bad karma, if the previous owners committed sins. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das > > > -- > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > Tel: +36309140839 > www.brihaspati.net > www.atmacenter.hu > Skype: gauranga_das > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bharat, Namaste Namaskaar Sri Gaurav When you say, Gem gets spoilt with Human Karma, are you suggesting that the Devas residing in the Gem get affected by Human beings? In such a case, why are we wearing the Gems? Below is an excerpt of the mail I've just received from wearing a used gemstone. The residual aura is there. Gauranga Prabhu must be talking about that famous cursed blue diamond or the other well known gemstones stolen off deities in India... Love, Swee Now here' the other story: I bought a hessonite just because i wanted to see one--at this point I'm getting a real colletion going. Okay so i get it, Look at it under the loupe. Check it with all I have, which is only a short/mid/long wave UV light. Okay nothing o ut of the ordinary. BUT the girdle is broken and it's so scratched up looking I thnk, geez this is so bad, I think it came out of some man's ring! There is no weay this could be new! I am not wearing, havenot worn it,ne of that. I got to bed that night and have the WORST night terros I've had in years--drams of some guy standing in the bed room with me, some sort of..thing? thee. Just awful scary stuff. Turns out to be a brown garnet. I have several whtie topaz around, but I think they have bad grie-grie for me. they were sold to me as whtie sspphires so i got cheated big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Swee Exactly my point! The deity is above the human being that is why it can curse the human being who is engaging in Adharma. If you read Gaurav's email, he was suggesting the opposite. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 2/14/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Bharat, > > Namaste > > > > Namaskaar Sri Gaurav > > > > When you say, Gem gets spoilt with Human Karma, are you suggesting that > the > > Devas residing in the Gem get affected by Human beings? In such a case, > why > > are we wearing the Gems? > > > > Below is an excerpt of the mail I've just received from wearing a used > gemstone. The residual aura is there. Gauranga Prabhu must be talking > about > that famous cursed blue diamond or the other well known gemstones stolen > off > deities in India... > > > > Love, > > Swee > > > > Now here' the other story: I bought a hessonite just because i wanted to > see one--at this point I'm getting a real colletion going. Okay so i get > it, > Look at it under the loupe. Check it with all I have, which is only a > short/mid/long wave UV light. Okay nothing o ut of the ordinary. BUT the > girdle is broken and it's so scratched up looking I thnk, geez this is so > bad, I think it came out of some man's ring! There is no weay this could > be > new! > > > > I am not wearing, havenot worn it,ne of that. I got to bed that night and > have the WORST night terros I've had in years--drams of some guy standing > in > the bed room with me, some sort of..thing? thee. Just awful scary stuff. > Turns out to be a brown garnet. > > I have several whtie topaz around, but I think they have bad grie-grie for > me. they were sold to me as whtie sspphires so i got cheated big time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=\ Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Uokti\ PHSoTwQkpGMXBNeEg> Vedic > astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart\ &w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=q\ NtEn5POAbTpzmtNKIdnHA> Astrology > horoscope</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+c\ hart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.s\ ig=8kShDb5zI-EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+cha\ rt&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig\ =Je51jg697mjdLNt6iLuaCw> > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology<vedic astrology>" > on the web. > > - > vedic astrology<vedic astrology-@gro\ ups.com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Sri. Bharat ji, Please find below my comments in green... namaste Gaurav Jain In a message dated 2/14/2006 5:26:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hinduastrology writes: Namaskaar Sri Gaurav When you say, Gem gets spoilt with Human Karma, are you suggesting that the Devas residing in the Gem get affected by Human beings? In such a case, why are we wearing the Gems? Gaurav: I am not saying that the diety gets affected, the diety is beyond us and our karma, so ofcourse not. What I AM suggesting, however is, that gems "carry" the karma ( good or bad) of its wearer, therefore it is recommended that one not wear gems that have been worn by some one before (atleast, in reasonable terms, not without "neutralizing" it or "cleaning" it ) Furthermore, as Sri Gauranga also put it, that when one steals the Gem, the diety refuses to give results and instead can give Maraka results. Doesn't this mean that Gem is not governed by the wearer's karma? Gaurav: The gem is Not governed by wearer's karma, rather "carrys" it. The deity is a separate matter all together above the past wearers karma.An improper acquisition of the gem like stealing etc will render gem powerless and perhaps even harmful, ofcourse, as it lacks the sacrifice of hard earned money, shradha, vishwaas and faithful devotion; for we cannot use deception with the al mighty. If I delve in deeper, supposing a person wearing a Yellow Sapphire goes and murders someone, what would you think: 1. That Yellow Sapphire was not a pure one and did not have effect. was the gem prescription correct to begin with? not much can be said without knowing inputs, this is Too General a question to have black and white answer, there is none. could be either or both, or perhaps it was the gem that curtailed the native from even higher and severe damage.... 2. That Yellow Sapphire was a pure one and he did the right thing for upholding the dharma. That can not be true. Its adharmic for sure. 3. Now the effects Yellow Sapphire is destroyed and its diety has left it and the gemstone which was alive earlier, is now dead. If such is the case, wouldn't the diety return if someone decent was to wear the same stone? Okay, now this is good. Now this gem carry huge karma of the person, wearing such a gemstone is harmful to oneself. 4. Or is it that the diety never returns to the gemstone again? And why is that? Most likely that will be the case, unless the new wearer has Very strong positive karma....good point. 5. Why was the diety in there for the first reason? Who is this diety? Why was he in the Gemstone? We invite the deity to grace the gem once we wear it, that is the idea. Deity is the god associated with the particular gem. Who is more powerful - the Gemstone or the Human Being? Human being does karma, gemstones are aids to doing it in a dharmic way, to provide boosts. On a lighter note, it was nice interacting with you at Delhi conference. I hope your Jaipur trip was fruitful and hope to see you again. On a lighter note, the pleasure is likewise. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 2/14/06, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Namaste Gauranga Ji , skotak ji and all, > > Living or Dead gems? May I please speak my mind. > > When we talk about life or lack of it in gems what are we really saying? > we > are defining parameters of "Jyotish Quality Gems". This "life" is the > essence > to the use of gems in remedial jyotish. Without this "life", gems are > just > left with ornamental value. Yes, you get chemical properties in each gem > variant and yes you have color therapy at work but their is MORE to > wearing gems > that have "life" in them , and it is this "more" that actually works > miracles > by inviting the deity associated to grace the gem. > > All fine gems have brilliant faceting, maximum color, flawless clarity > and > significant carat weight- all this put together makes them a fine quality > gem, > but to qualify to be called a "jyotish quality gemstone", it has to be > more...It has to all of the above qualities naturally, it has to be free > from > prior use (which makes the gem carry wearer's karma, good or bad) to give > sweet > netural and saattvic feel. Sri. Gauranga ji most accurately calls this > the > "inviting" effect as a result of "life" of the gem. > > For example, for those of you who know a little bit about gems, all blue > topaz is commercially enchaned white topaz that is heavily used in > ornaments > today, if you try and feel it you will feel a repulsive effect that is > almost > Rahu like; cause- the radiation treatment method to change the color from > white > to blue ( or other shades for that matter). Similarly, treatments like > glass > filings (specially in emeralds), heating& (quartz, topaz), diffusion > (corundum), oiling (feldspar, agates, beryl), re-construction (coral, > turquoise), > thermal enhancements etc leave the gems empty in its "auric" value and > lifeless > therefore not fit for Jyotish use. > > A good gem starts showing results even before you wear it, tells my guru, > > and I am living proof of it... > > Namaste > Gaurav Jain > > > n a message dated 2/13/2006 9:50:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > skotak35 writes: > > I hope this words do not suit for any object on the earth. > Even stone has some vibrations . It is not visible by nacked eyes. > Any one having little knowledge of modern sciencs knows that Nothing is > dead > on the planet. It varies in terms of Vibrations. Unified field of anergy > > interacts every second with what we think and what we generate vibrations > and > energy. > > Colot therapy is used in the word since decades. Gem therapy is not new. > During second world war, Those prisoners kept in the room with Red Glass > windows were gradually going towards insanitation. It was known fact. > Megnat > therapy, originated from France was also one of the subject while we > study > alternative medicines. > > skotak > > Gauranga Das <gaurangad wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear members, > > Namaste. > > Let me just add one thought to the dead-or-alive question. Besides the > quality and the flaws, gems are living entities. There are souls in them. > > So this is what is meant by a living or a dead gem. A gem with a flaw is > usually dead, as the body is unable to carry the soul any more. But there > > will be good effect only from a living gem, which was obtained in a > righteous way. For example many of the large gems in the British crown > were snatched from Indian temples. So a gem stolen from the Deity is > highly inauspicious, therefore we can suspect that this has helped the > destruction of the British Empire. > > How can one decide that the gem is living or dead? Usually you feel it. > You will have a strong attraction towards a living gem, while the dead > one > is not so attractive, similarly to the body. When its living, its > attractive, when its dead, tis repulsive. > > Of course a ince gemstona can also be dead in some cases, or even worse > than that, loaded with bad karma, if the previous owners committed sins. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das > > > -- > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > Tel: +36309140839 > www.brihaspati.net > www.atmacenter.hu > Skype: gauranga_das > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Namaste Sri. Bharat Ji, If you read my message one more time, I was not suggesting otherwise. Although your questions are very genuine, and have got me thinking on some points....thank you. namaste gaurav jain In a message dated 2/14/2006 1:39:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hinduastrology writes: Namaskaar Sri Swee Exactly my point! The deity is above the human being that is why it can curse the human being who is engaging in Adharma. If you read Gaurav's email, he was suggesting the opposite. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 2/14/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Bharat, > > Namaste > > > > Namaskaar Sri Gaurav > > > > When you say, Gem gets spoilt with Human Karma, are you suggesting that > the > > Devas residing in the Gem get affected by Human beings? In such a case, > why > > are we wearing the Gems? > > > > Below is an excerpt of the mail I've just received from wearing a used > gemstone. The residual aura is there. Gauranga Prabhu must be talking > about > that famous cursed blue diamond or the other well known gemstones stolen > off > deities in India... > > > > Love, > > Swee > > > > Now here' the other story: I bought a hessonite just because i wanted to > see one--at this point I'm getting a real colletion going. Okay so i get > it, > Look at it under the loupe. Check it with all I have, which is only a > short/mid/long wave UV light. Okay nothing o ut of the ordinary. BUT the > girdle is broken and it's so scratched up looking I thnk, geez this is so > bad, I think it came out of some man's ring! There is no weay this could > be > new! > > > > I am not wearing, havenot worn it,ne of that. I got to bed that night and > have the WORST night terros I've had in years--drams of some guy standing > in > the bed room with me, some sort of..thing? thee. Just awful scary stuff. > Turns out to be a brown garnet. > > I have several whtie topaz around, but I think they have bad grie-grie for > me. they were sold to me as whtie sspphires so i got cheated big time. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archives: vedic astrology > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=\ Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software &c=4&s=91&.sig=UoktiPHSoTwQkpGMXBNeEg> Vedic > astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart\ &w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91 &.sig=qNtEn5POAbTpzmtNKIdnHA> Astrology > horoscope</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+c\ hart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4& s=91&.sig=8kShDb5zI-EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+cha\ rt&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s= 91&.sig=Je51jg697mjdLNt6iLuaCw> > ------------------------------ > ! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology<vedic astrology>" > on the web. > > - To from this group, send an email to: > vedic astrology<vedic astrology-@gro\ ups.com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing _Click Here!_ (http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM) --~-> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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