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Namaskaar Sri Richard

 

Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem could be

heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different crystals

alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes the

results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

Astrology.

 

If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the gemstone,

perhaps we could use them effectively too.

 

However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be disrespectful to

say so, in my view.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over the

> world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO BODY

> likes death OR dead things.

>

> Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in classifying any

> gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4 classes,

> i.e.,

>

> 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

>

> Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're perfect; if

> we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have many

> illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too extreme

> then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

>

> So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because shastra

> says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

> then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

> torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

>

> Jyotish quality gems are not very affordable to poor people. Some

> people actually write to me and say (GRIN), "Dear sir, I am penniless!

> What gem should I wear?"

>

> But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha beads.

> As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so is His

> Rudraksha able to counter bad planets (unlike gems which simply magnify

> the planet, for better or worse). Rudraksha is also a "gem" and is the

> gem for all...

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> Designer & Gemologist

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> http://www.agt-gems.com

> http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> http://www.themisunderstood.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.net

> http://www.p-g-a.org

> http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> http://www.generalprem.com

> http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> http://www.sacred-objects.info

>

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Bharat,

Namaste

 

Cat's Eyes are included gemstones. Chrysoberyls also come with such clarity,

but the translators also changed that to Cat's Eye.

 

A gemstone is considered as flawed when it has cracks, acid, magma etc in

them.

Someone was gifted a flawed ruby with the "cotton wool" effect in the

gemstone. No two guesses as to what he began to suffer from until I told him

to take it off immediately.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu Astrology

Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

 

Namaskaar Sri Richard

 

Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem could be

heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different crystals

alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes the

results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

Astrology.

 

If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the gemstone,

perhaps we could use them effectively too.

 

However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be disrespectful to

say so, in my view.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over the

> world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO BODY

> likes death OR dead things.

>

> Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in classifying any

> gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4 classes,

> i.e.,

>

> 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

>

> Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're perfect; if

> we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have many

> illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too extreme

> then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

>

> So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because shastra

> says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

> then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

> torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

>

> Jyotish quality gems are not very affordable to poor people. Some

> people actually write to me and say (GRIN), "Dear sir, I am penniless!

> What gem should I wear?"

>

> But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha beads.

> As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so is His

> Rudraksha able to counter bad planets (unlike gems which simply magnify

> the planet, for better or worse). Rudraksha is also a "gem" and is the

> gem for all...

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> Designer & Gemologist

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> http://www.agt-gems.com

> http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> http://www.themisunderstood.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.com

> http://www.hrisikesh.net

> http://www.p-g-a.org

> http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> http://www.generalprem.com

> http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> http://www.sacred-objects.info

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

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>

>

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Namaskaar Sri Swee

 

My point is those are natural inclusions too and cannot be called as a

flawed.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> Cat's Eyes are included gemstones. Chrysoberyls also come with such

> clarity,

> but the translators also changed that to Cat's Eye.

>

> A gemstone is considered as flawed when it has cracks, acid, magma etc in

> them.

> Someone was gifted a flawed ruby with the "cotton wool" effect in the

> gemstone. No two guesses as to what he began to suffer from until I told

> him

> to take it off immediately.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Namaskaar Sri Richard

>

> Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem could be

> heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different crystals

> alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes the

> results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

> Astrology.

>

> If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the

> gemstone,

> perhaps we could use them effectively too.

>

> However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be disrespectful to

> say so, in my view.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> >

> > GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> >

> > Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> > minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> > something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over the

> > world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO BODY

> > likes death OR dead things.

> >

> > Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in classifying any

> > gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4 classes,

> > i.e.,

> >

> > 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> > 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> > 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> > 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

> >

> > Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're perfect; if

> > we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have many

> > illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too extreme

> > then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

> >

> > So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because shastra

> > says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

> > then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

> > torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

> >

> > Jyotish quality gems are not very affordable to poor people. Some

> > people actually write to me and say (GRIN), "Dear sir, I am penniless!

> > What gem should I wear?"

> >

> > But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha beads.

> > As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so is His

> > Rudraksha able to counter bad planets (unlike gems which simply magnify

> > the planet, for better or worse). Rudraksha is also a "gem" and is the

> > gem for all...

> >

> > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > Designer & Gemologist

> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > http://www.agt-gems.com

> > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> > http://www.themisunderstood.com

> > http://www.hrisikesh.com

> > http://www.hrisikesh.net

> > http://www.p-g-a.org

> > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> > http://www.generalprem.com

> > http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> > http://www.sacred-objects.info

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astrology

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Bharat,

Namaste

 

Are you talking about rutilated quartz? In some, you can see the quartz is

crystal clear/clean and it is rutilated with pyrite. In this case, recommend

it as Venus - Mars combination.

A beautiful Ruby I had, had red garnet crystal entrapped in there. With the

naked eye, it is considered as flawless, but magnified at 80 times, you can

make out the "alien/uparatna" in it. To me, this is already a gemstone whose

virtues maybe nullified. But is it? Gems classified as flawless, like in the

marketing of diamonds is identified for its flaws with a 10x loupe. The

shastras do not say that we have to do this, possibly because an eye clean

material is accepted as "flawless".

It takes 1 year to create 1 carat of gem. The slower the cooling process,

the more beautiful, the crystalisation. A flawed gem in the shastra are

those especially with trasa/magma; cloudy/milky ones etc. So why is it they

say to avoid those flawed crystals, and you say it is not flawed?

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

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[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu Astrology

Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:51 PM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

 

Namaskaar Sri Swee

 

My point is those are natural inclusions too and cannot be called as a

flawed.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> Cat's Eyes are included gemstones. Chrysoberyls also come with such

> clarity,

> but the translators also changed that to Cat's Eye.

>

> A gemstone is considered as flawed when it has cracks, acid, magma etc in

> them.

> Someone was gifted a flawed ruby with the "cotton wool" effect in the

> gemstone. No two guesses as to what he began to suffer from until I told

> him

> to take it off immediately.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Namaskaar Sri Richard

>

> Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem could be

> heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different crystals

> alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes the

> results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

> Astrology.

>

> If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the

> gemstone,

> perhaps we could use them effectively too.

>

> However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be disrespectful to

> say so, in my view.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> >

> > GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> >

> > Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> > minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> > something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over the

> > world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO BODY

> > likes death OR dead things.

> >

> > Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in classifying any

> > gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4 classes,

> > i.e.,

> >

> > 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> > 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> > 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> > 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

> >

> > Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're perfect; if

> > we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have many

> > illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too extreme

> > then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

> >

> > So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because shastra

> > says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

> > then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

> > torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

> >

> > Jyotish quality gems are not very affordable to poor people. Some

> > people actually write to me and say (GRIN), "Dear sir, I am penniless!

> > What gem should I wear?"

> >

> > But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha beads.

> > As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so is His

> > Rudraksha able to counter bad planets (unlike gems which simply magnify

> > the planet, for better or worse). Rudraksha is also a "gem" and is the

> > gem for all...

> >

> > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > Designer & Gemologist

> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > http://www.agt-gems.com

> > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> > http://www.themisunderstood.com

> > http://www.hrisikesh.com

> > http://www.hrisikesh.net

> > http://www.p-g-a.org

> > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> > http://www.generalprem.com

> > http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> > http://www.sacred-objects.info

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astrology

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I am saying very different thing here. I am saying since Gems are made by

mother nature and its processes, they are sacred. It is amazing how a few

chemicals move together to form such brilliant Gems. To call them flaws is

to say the Nature does not know how to do its work. Furthermore to call them

"dead" is to defile them and it is disrespect to Ma Shakti (divine mother

and the entire creation).

 

I fully agree that those with more inclusions than necessary should not be

used for astrology. I also agree that some inclusions can change effects of

the gemstone. I also know that Rutile needles inclusions are desired in many

cases, especially in star rubies.

 

Perhaps unusuable for Astrological purposes would be the right way of

labelling them, instead of the above.

 

However, with Richard, I was only worried of calling them as "Flawed" and

"Dead". The whole world may call them flawed, damaged, etc... I wouldn't. A

great master once said "Something false does not become true because 6

billion people believe in it".

 

I hope you understand what I was trying to convey.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> Are you talking about rutilated quartz? In some, you can see the quartz is

> crystal clear/clean and it is rutilated with pyrite. In this case,

> recommend

> it as Venus - Mars combination.

> A beautiful Ruby I had, had red garnet crystal entrapped in there. With

> the

> naked eye, it is considered as flawless, but magnified at 80 times, you

> can

> make out the "alien/uparatna" in it. To me, this is already a gemstone

> whose

> virtues maybe nullified. But is it? Gems classified as flawless, like in

> the

> marketing of diamonds is identified for its flaws with a 10x loupe. The

> shastras do not say that we have to do this, possibly because an eye clean

> material is accepted as "flawless".

> It takes 1 year to create 1 carat of gem. The slower the cooling process,

> the more beautiful, the crystalisation. A flawed gem in the shastra are

> those especially with trasa/magma; cloudy/milky ones etc. So why is it

> they

> say to avoid those flawed crystals, and you say it is not flawed?

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:51 PM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Namaskaar Sri Swee

>

> My point is those are natural inclusions too and cannot be called as a

> flawed.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Cat's Eyes are included gemstones. Chrysoberyls also come with such

> > clarity,

> > but the translators also changed that to Cat's Eye.

> >

> > A gemstone is considered as flawed when it has cracks, acid, magma etc

> in

> > them.

> > Someone was gifted a flawed ruby with the "cotton wool" effect in the

> > gemstone. No two guesses as to what he began to suffer from until I told

> > him

> > to take it off immediately.

> >

> > Love,

> > Swee

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > Astrology

> > Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51 AM

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> >

> > Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem could

> be

> > heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different crystals

> > alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes the

> > results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

> > Astrology.

> >

> > If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the

> > gemstone,

> > perhaps we could use them effectively too.

> >

> > However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be disrespectful

> to

> > say so, in my view.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > >

> > > GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > >

> > > Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> > > minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> > > something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over the

> > > world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO BODY

> > > likes death OR dead things.

> > >

> > > Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in classifying

> any

> > > gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4 classes,

> > > i.e.,

> > >

> > > 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> > > 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> > > 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> > > 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

> > >

> > > Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're perfect;

> if

> > > we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have many

> > > illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too extreme

> > > then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

> > >

> > > So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because shastra

> > > says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

> > > then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

> > > torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

> > >

> > > Jyotish quality gems are not very affordable to poor people. Some

> > > people actually write to me and say (GRIN), "Dear sir, I am penniless!

> > > What gem should I wear?"

> > >

> > > But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha beads.

> > > As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so is

> His

> > > Rudraksha able to counter bad planets (unlike gems which simply

> magnify

> > > the planet, for better or worse). Rudraksha is also a "gem" and is the

> > > gem for all...

> > >

> > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > > Designer & Gemologist

> > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > > http://www.agt-gems.com

> > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> > > http://www.themisunderstood.com

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> > > http://www.navaratna-museum.info

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> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

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Dear Bharat,

Namaste

 

I understood what you were trying to convey from your first mail. Just

wanted to confirm. Your comments reminds me of the Hunch Back of Noitre Dame

or the Elephant Man. Both had warped body, but beautiful and gentle minds.

This shows the inner nature. But we must understand that lusterless gems are

simply that. They do not emanate anything. The purana states that if the gem

has that special electric colour like Indra's lightening and it is flawless,

even the Devas will find their abode in them. In case you've missed it, I've

mentioned it at the conference. But for healers using flawed stones, it is

quite different. Their crystals are used - some to project and some not.

They are very specific.

You've not confirmed if you are healer using gem crystals. If you are, my

recommendation is to use a quartz crystal and project that particular colour

lighting to use on that patient. Cleansing of your own auric energy and the

crystal has to be done after each treatment. It is therefore advisable to

have several crystals. But as in any healing, your taking on someone else's

karma can be rather depleting to your own prana. Try and restrict to one

patient a day and up to 5 patients a week at the most.

 

Those rutiles you have described are very different to the ones I've given

as an example. However, Star rubies, sapphires etc., have not been given the

green light. Another example of commercialization.......tsk tsk.........ALL

gems with the exception of Vaidurya and that falls in a pretty big family.

 

Thanks for the chat.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

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[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu Astrology

Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:24 PM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

 

Namaskaar Sri Swee

 

I am saying very different thing here. I am saying since Gems are made by

mother nature and its processes, they are sacred. It is amazing how a few

chemicals move together to form such brilliant Gems. To call them flaws is

to say the Nature does not know how to do its work. Furthermore to call them

"dead" is to defile them and it is disrespect to Ma Shakti (divine mother

and the entire creation).

 

I fully agree that those with more inclusions than necessary should not be

used for astrology. I also agree that some inclusions can change effects of

the gemstone. I also know that Rutile needles inclusions are desired in many

cases, especially in star rubies.

 

Perhaps unusuable for Astrological purposes would be the right way of

labelling them, instead of the above.

 

However, with Richard, I was only worried of calling them as "Flawed" and

"Dead". The whole world may call them flawed, damaged, etc... I wouldn't. A

great master once said "Something false does not become true because 6

billion people believe in it".

 

I hope you understand what I was trying to convey.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> Are you talking about rutilated quartz? In some, you can see the quartz is

> crystal clear/clean and it is rutilated with pyrite. In this case,

> recommend

> it as Venus - Mars combination.

> A beautiful Ruby I had, had red garnet crystal entrapped in there. With

> the

> naked eye, it is considered as flawless, but magnified at 80 times, you

> can

> make out the "alien/uparatna" in it. To me, this is already a gemstone

> whose

> virtues maybe nullified. But is it? Gems classified as flawless, like in

> the

> marketing of diamonds is identified for its flaws with a 10x loupe. The

> shastras do not say that we have to do this, possibly because an eye clean

> material is accepted as "flawless".

> It takes 1 year to create 1 carat of gem. The slower the cooling process,

> the more beautiful, the crystalisation. A flawed gem in the shastra are

> those especially with trasa/magma; cloudy/milky ones etc. So why is it

> they

> say to avoid those flawed crystals, and you say it is not flawed?

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:51 PM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Namaskaar Sri Swee

>

> My point is those are natural inclusions too and cannot be called as a

> flawed.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Cat's Eyes are included gemstones. Chrysoberyls also come with such

> > clarity,

> > but the translators also changed that to Cat's Eye.

> >

> > A gemstone is considered as flawed when it has cracks, acid, magma etc

> in

> > them.

> > Someone was gifted a flawed ruby with the "cotton wool" effect in the

> > gemstone. No two guesses as to what he began to suffer from until I told

> > him

> > to take it off immediately.

> >

> > Love,

> > Swee

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > Astrology

> > Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51 AM

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> >

> > Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem could

> be

> > heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different crystals

> > alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes the

> > results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

> > Astrology.

> >

> > If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the

> > gemstone,

> > perhaps we could use them effectively too.

> >

> > However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be disrespectful

> to

> > say so, in my view.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > >

> > > GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > >

> > > Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> > > minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> > > something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over the

> > > world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO BODY

> > > likes death OR dead things.

> > >

> > > Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in classifying

> any

> > > gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4 classes,

> > > i.e.,

> > >

> > > 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> > > 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> > > 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> > > 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

> > >

> > > Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're perfect;

> if

> > > we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have many

> > > illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too extreme

> > > then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

> > >

> > > So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because shastra

> > > says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

> > > then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

> > > torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

> > >

> > > Jyotish quality gems are not very affordable to poor people. Some

> > > people actually write to me and say (GRIN), "Dear sir, I am penniless!

> > > What gem should I wear?"

> > >

> > > But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha beads.

> > > As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so is

> His

> > > Rudraksha able to counter bad planets (unlike gems which simply

> magnify

> > > the planet, for better or worse). Rudraksha is also a "gem" and is the

> > > gem for all...

> > >

> > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > > Designer & Gemologist

> > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > > http://www.agt-gems.com

> > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> > > http://www.themisunderstood.com

> > > http://www.hrisikesh.com

> > > http://www.hrisikesh.net

> > > http://www.p-g-a.org

> > > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> > > http://www.generalprem.com

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Nope, I am not a Gemstone Healer. Gemstones are an interest area and I have

classified a lot of them.

 

Which Puranas are you studying nowadays? Is it a translation or are you

attempting to translate them? I have seen the Rs 24,000 complete set of

Puranas by Publishers Motilal Banarsidass. What publication are you

reading/interpreting?

I have been wanting to possess a set. Can you recommend one?

 

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Bharat

 

 

 

On 2/12/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> I understood what you were trying to convey from your first mail. Just

> wanted to confirm. Your comments reminds me of the Hunch Back of Noitre

> Dame

> or the Elephant Man. Both had warped body, but beautiful and gentle minds.

> This shows the inner nature. But we must understand that lusterless gems

> are

> simply that. They do not emanate anything. The purana states that if the

> gem

> has that special electric colour like Indra's lightening and it is

> flawless,

> even the Devas will find their abode in them. In case you've missed it,

> I've

> mentioned it at the conference. But for healers using flawed stones, it is

> quite different. Their crystals are used - some to project and some not.

> They are very specific.

> You've not confirmed if you are healer using gem crystals. If you are, my

> recommendation is to use a quartz crystal and project that particular

> colour

> lighting to use on that patient. Cleansing of your own auric energy and

> the

> crystal has to be done after each treatment. It is therefore advisable to

> have several crystals. But as in any healing, your taking on someone

> else's

> karma can be rather depleting to your own prana. Try and restrict to one

> patient a day and up to 5 patients a week at the most.

>

> Those rutiles you have described are very different to the ones I've given

> as an example. However, Star rubies, sapphires etc., have not been given

> the

> green light. Another example of commercialization.......tsk

> tsk.........ALL

> gems with the exception of Vaidurya and that falls in a pretty big family.

>

> Thanks for the chat.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:24 PM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Namaskaar Sri Swee

>

> I am saying very different thing here. I am saying since Gems are made by

> mother nature and its processes, they are sacred. It is amazing how a few

> chemicals move together to form such brilliant Gems. To call them flaws is

> to say the Nature does not know how to do its work. Furthermore to call

> them

> "dead" is to defile them and it is disrespect to Ma Shakti (divine mother

> and the entire creation).

>

> I fully agree that those with more inclusions than necessary should not be

> used for astrology. I also agree that some inclusions can change effects

> of

> the gemstone. I also know that Rutile needles inclusions are desired in

> many

> cases, especially in star rubies.

>

> Perhaps unusuable for Astrological purposes would be the right way of

> labelling them, instead of the above.

>

> However, with Richard, I was only worried of calling them as "Flawed" and

> "Dead". The whole world may call them flawed, damaged, etc... I wouldn't.

> A

> great master once said "Something false does not become true because 6

> billion people believe in it".

>

> I hope you understand what I was trying to convey.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Are you talking about rutilated quartz? In some, you can see the quartz

> is

> > crystal clear/clean and it is rutilated with pyrite. In this case,

> > recommend

> > it as Venus - Mars combination.

> > A beautiful Ruby I had, had red garnet crystal entrapped in there. With

> > the

> > naked eye, it is considered as flawless, but magnified at 80 times, you

> > can

> > make out the "alien/uparatna" in it. To me, this is already a gemstone

> > whose

> > virtues maybe nullified. But is it? Gems classified as flawless, like in

> > the

> > marketing of diamonds is identified for its flaws with a 10x loupe. The

> > shastras do not say that we have to do this, possibly because an eye

> clean

> > material is accepted as "flawless".

> > It takes 1 year to create 1 carat of gem. The slower the cooling

> process,

> > the more beautiful, the crystalisation. A flawed gem in the shastra are

> > those especially with trasa/magma; cloudy/milky ones etc. So why is it

> > they

> > say to avoid those flawed crystals, and you say it is not flawed?

> >

> > Love,

> > Swee

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > Astrology

> > Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:51 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Swee

> >

> > My point is those are natural inclusions too and cannot be called as a

> > flawed.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> > On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> > >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Bharat,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Cat's Eyes are included gemstones. Chrysoberyls also come with such

> > > clarity,

> > > but the translators also changed that to Cat's Eye.

> > >

> > > A gemstone is considered as flawed when it has cracks, acid, magma etc

> > in

> > > them.

> > > Someone was gifted a flawed ruby with the "cotton wool" effect in the

> > > gemstone. No two guesses as to what he began to suffer from until I

> told

> > > him

> > > to take it off immediately.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Swee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

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> > > Astrology

> > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51 AM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> > >

> > > Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem

> could

> > be

> > > heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different

> crystals

> > > alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes the

> > > results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

> > > Astrology.

> > >

> > > If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the

> > > gemstone,

> > > perhaps we could use them effectively too.

> > >

> > > However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be

> disrespectful

> > to

> > > say so, in my view.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

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> > > > GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > > >

> > > > Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> > > > minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> > > > something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over the

> > > > world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO

> BODY

> > > > likes death OR dead things.

> > > >

> > > > Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in classifying

> > any

> > > > gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4 classes,

> > > > i.e.,

> > > >

> > > > 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> > > > 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> > > > 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> > > > 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

> > > >

> > > > Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're perfect;

> > if

> > > > we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have

> many

> > > > illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too extreme

> > > > then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

> > > >

> > > > So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because shastra

> > > > says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of

> ignorance,

> > > > then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

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If Lagnesh Is Sun and in Kendra.

Inclusions have no problems . It still gives results. I have many such

results.

 

skotak

 

Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

Namaskaar Sri Richard

 

Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem could be

heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different crystals

alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes the

results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

Astrology.

 

If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the gemstone,

perhaps we could use them effectively too.

 

However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be disrespectful to

say so, in my view.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

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>

> GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over the

> world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO BODY

> likes death OR dead things.

>

> Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in classifying any

> gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4 classes,

> i.e.,

>

> 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

>

> Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're perfect; if

> we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have many

> illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too extreme

> then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

>

> So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because shastra

> says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

> then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

> torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

>

> Jyotish quality gems are not very affordable to poor people. Some

> people actually write to me and say (GRIN), "Dear sir, I am penniless!

> What gem should I wear?"

>

> But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha beads.

> As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so is His

> Rudraksha able to counter bad planets (unlike gems which simply magnify

> the planet, for better or worse). Rudraksha is also a "gem" and is the

> gem for all...

>

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Bharat,

Namaste

 

I have a collection from several publishers. One is the Sanskrit version

from Nag Publishers and Baroda University. My recent trip added my

collections from Parimal Publishers and I try and contra the Sanskrit

verses. Parimal has them in both texts. My current readings are both

Bhramavaivarta Purana (lots of stotras and jyotish related remedies in

there) and Vishnu Purana (currently on the energies of Rudra etc., to get a

feeling/meaning into this wrt gems. I've also revealed some whilst in Delhi

from the Narasimha Purana - Nag Publishers). While some of the texts do not

concur with the one from B. Uni........The late Devi Chand's translations

are literal translations too. One of the misgivings of a non jyotisha's

translation :| (no offence intended here to anyone).

If you are thinking of the Banarsidass Publications (diabolical command of

the English language), there are very many mistakes in there, so you will

need to verify or contra them with the Sanskrit version. So do take heed. In

any case with my return in Mar/Apr, if I do find other interesting

publications, I shall keep you informed.

The natural healing abilities in you (and you've shown the deeper meanings

in the shastras to us in Delhi) indicates the Sun (more than likely in a

friendly sign) and Ketu's link with it. If not in the rasi, it must be there

in navamsa.

Please share your chart with me off line. I would appreciate it.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu Astrology

Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:47 PM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

 

Namaskaar Sri Swee

 

Nope, I am not a Gemstone Healer. Gemstones are an interest area and I have

classified a lot of them.

 

Which Puranas are you studying nowadays? Is it a translation or are you

attempting to translate them? I have seen the Rs 24,000 complete set of

Puranas by Publishers Motilal Banarsidass. What publication are you

reading/interpreting?

I have been wanting to possess a set. Can you recommend one?

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

On 2/12/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> I understood what you were trying to convey from your first mail. Just

> wanted to confirm. Your comments reminds me of the Hunch Back of Noitre

> Dame

> or the Elephant Man. Both had warped body, but beautiful and gentle minds.

> This shows the inner nature. But we must understand that lusterless gems

> are

> simply that. They do not emanate anything. The purana states that if the

> gem

> has that special electric colour like Indra's lightening and it is

> flawless,

> even the Devas will find their abode in them. In case you've missed it,

> I've

> mentioned it at the conference. But for healers using flawed stones, it is

> quite different. Their crystals are used - some to project and some not.

> They are very specific.

> You've not confirmed if you are healer using gem crystals. If you are, my

> recommendation is to use a quartz crystal and project that particular

> colour

> lighting to use on that patient. Cleansing of your own auric energy and

> the

> crystal has to be done after each treatment. It is therefore advisable to

> have several crystals. But as in any healing, your taking on someone

> else's

> karma can be rather depleting to your own prana. Try and restrict to one

> patient a day and up to 5 patients a week at the most.

>

> Those rutiles you have described are very different to the ones I've given

> as an example. However, Star rubies, sapphires etc., have not been given

> the

> green light. Another example of commercialization.......tsk

> tsk.........ALL

> gems with the exception of Vaidurya and that falls in a pretty big family.

>

> Thanks for the chat.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:24 PM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Namaskaar Sri Swee

>

> I am saying very different thing here. I am saying since Gems are made by

> mother nature and its processes, they are sacred. It is amazing how a few

> chemicals move together to form such brilliant Gems. To call them flaws is

> to say the Nature does not know how to do its work. Furthermore to call

> them

> "dead" is to defile them and it is disrespect to Ma Shakti (divine mother

> and the entire creation).

>

> I fully agree that those with more inclusions than necessary should not be

> used for astrology. I also agree that some inclusions can change effects

> of

> the gemstone. I also know that Rutile needles inclusions are desired in

> many

> cases, especially in star rubies.

>

> Perhaps unusuable for Astrological purposes would be the right way of

> labelling them, instead of the above.

>

> However, with Richard, I was only worried of calling them as "Flawed" and

> "Dead". The whole world may call them flawed, damaged, etc... I wouldn't.

> A

> great master once said "Something false does not become true because 6

> billion people believe in it".

>

> I hope you understand what I was trying to convey.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Are you talking about rutilated quartz? In some, you can see the quartz

> is

> > crystal clear/clean and it is rutilated with pyrite. In this case,

> > recommend

> > it as Venus - Mars combination.

> > A beautiful Ruby I had, had red garnet crystal entrapped in there. With

> > the

> > naked eye, it is considered as flawless, but magnified at 80 times, you

> > can

> > make out the "alien/uparatna" in it. To me, this is already a gemstone

> > whose

> > virtues maybe nullified. But is it? Gems classified as flawless, like in

> > the

> > marketing of diamonds is identified for its flaws with a 10x loupe. The

> > shastras do not say that we have to do this, possibly because an eye

> clean

> > material is accepted as "flawless".

> > It takes 1 year to create 1 carat of gem. The slower the cooling

> process,

> > the more beautiful, the crystalisation. A flawed gem in the shastra are

> > those especially with trasa/magma; cloudy/milky ones etc. So why is it

> > they

> > say to avoid those flawed crystals, and you say it is not flawed?

> >

> > Love,

> > Swee

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > Astrology

> > Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:51 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Swee

> >

> > My point is those are natural inclusions too and cannot be called as a

> > flawed.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> > On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> > >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Bharat,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Cat's Eyes are included gemstones. Chrysoberyls also come with such

> > > clarity,

> > > but the translators also changed that to Cat's Eye.

> > >

> > > A gemstone is considered as flawed when it has cracks, acid, magma etc

> > in

> > > them.

> > > Someone was gifted a flawed ruby with the "cotton wool" effect in the

> > > gemstone. No two guesses as to what he began to suffer from until I

> told

> > > him

> > > to take it off immediately.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Swee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > > Astrology

> > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51 AM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> > >

> > > Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem

> could

> > be

> > > heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different

> crystals

> > > alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes the

> > > results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

> > > Astrology.

> > >

> > > If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the

> > > gemstone,

> > > perhaps we could use them effectively too.

> > >

> > > However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be

> disrespectful

> > to

> > > say so, in my view.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > > >

> > > > Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> > > > minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> > > > something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over the

> > > > world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO

> BODY

> > > > likes death OR dead things.

> > > >

> > > > Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in classifying

> > any

> > > > gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4 classes,

> > > > i.e.,

> > > >

> > > > 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> > > > 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> > > > 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> > > > 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

> > > >

> > > > Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're perfect;

> > if

> > > > we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have

> many

> > > > illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too extreme

> > > > then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

> > > >

> > > > So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because shastra

> > > > says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of

> ignorance,

> > > > then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

> > > > torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

> > > >

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> > > > What gem should I wear?"

> > > >

> > > > But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha

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> > > > As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so is

> > His

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Dear Sriman,

 

Namaste!!! This is what YOU say...

 

vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35 wrote:

> If Lagnesh Is Sun and in Kendra. Inclusions have no problems . It still gives

results. I

have many such results.

 

AND, this is what SHASTRA says,

 

"If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance, then grief,

anxiety,

sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."--- Sri Garuda

Purana:

1.70.19

 

So who should we believe???

 

BTW: We have seen that millions of people who wear NO gems they also have

results. So

what is to be said of results when they are inevitable.

 

Rgds,

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dear richard,

 

make your stand clear. whether you support gem wearing or not?

 

Kishore patnaik

vedic astrology, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

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> Dear Sriman,

>

> Namaste!!! This is what YOU say...

>

> vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

wrote:

> > If Lagnesh Is Sun and in Kendra. Inclusions have no problems . It

still gives results. I

> have many such results.

>

> AND, this is what SHASTRA says,

>

> "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

then grief, anxiety,

> sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."---

Sri Garuda Purana:

> 1.70.19

>

> So who should we believe???

>

> BTW: We have seen that millions of people who wear NO gems they

also have results. So

> what is to be said of results when they are inevitable.

>

> Rgds,

> Richard

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Sri Suta Goswami says in Sri Garuda Purana, "The potency of a high-quality ruby

is such

that even an ignorant person living a sinful life and surrounded by deadly

enemies is saved

by wearing such a gem. Anyone wearing such a naturally effulgent ruby would be

freed

from diseases caused by any imbalance of the bodily functions."

 

---> YES, of course I support wearing gems of Jyotish quality.

 

Sri Suta concludes his discourse on rubies by saying, "A ruby, although genuine,

should

not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like

numerous

internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless.

Anyone

using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer from disease, or

loss of

fortune." ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70

 

vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" <kishorepatnaik09

wrote:

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> dear richard,

>

> make your stand clear. whether you support gem wearing or not?

>

> Kishore patnaik

> vedic astrology, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

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> > Dear Sriman,

> >

> > Namaste!!! This is what YOU say...

> >

> > vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

> wrote:

> > > If Lagnesh Is Sun and in Kendra. Inclusions have no problems . It

> still gives results. I

> > have many such results.

> >

> > AND, this is what SHASTRA says,

> >

> > "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

> then grief, anxiety,

> > sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."---

> Sri Garuda Purana:

> > 1.70.19

> >

> > So who should we believe???

> >

> > BTW: We have seen that millions of people who wear NO gems they

> also have results. So

> > what is to be said of results when they are inevitable.

> >

> > Rgds,

> > Richard

> >

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dear friends

 

both richard and swee have spent lot of time, money and energy in

touring india and collecting our holy scriptures and presented them

in an user friendly format in their respective websites which is a

good reading for all gem learners.

 

i personally do not know swee much but can definitely say about

richard that he is known across the world for the past several years

for making available most rarest holiest objects of hinduism. in my

best knowledge all the articles sold by richard are genuine even

though the prices are on higher side. richard is a highly matured

person sharing freely his knowledge (which he learnt over three

decades) in various where i am active and he has so many

collectors' itmes which many can only dream of.

 

my personal belief is that if some one has something which we do not

have, better we appreciate him and learn the same.

 

with best wishes and regards

arjun

 

vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> dear richard,

>

> make your stand clear. whether you support gem wearing or not?

>

> Kishore patnaik

> vedic astrology, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

> <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sriman,

> >

> > Namaste!!! This is what YOU say...

> >

> > vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

> wrote:

> > > If Lagnesh Is Sun and in Kendra. Inclusions have no problems .

It

> still gives results. I

> > have many such results.

> >

> > AND, this is what SHASTRA says,

> >

> > "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of ignorance,

> then grief, anxiety,

> > sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."---

 

> Sri Garuda Purana:

> > 1.70.19

> >

> > So who should we believe???

> >

> > BTW: We have seen that millions of people who wear NO gems they

> also have results. So

> > what is to be said of results when they are inevitable.

> >

> > Rgds,

> > Richard

> >

>

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Dear Arjun,

Thanks.

Now it is clear that Richard is a BUSINESSMAN of holiest objects of

Hinduism, and it is natural that he supports Gem Business.

What about Swee? I would like to know, whether she also is in

business. Gem Business??

It is nothing wrong about business. But such bit of info, about

one's profession, helps us in validating the statements of a person.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> both richard and swee have spent lot of time, money and energy in

> touring india and collecting our holy scriptures and presented them

> in an user friendly format in their respective websites which is a

> good reading for all gem learners.

>

> i personally do not know swee much but can definitely say about

> richard that he is known across the world for the past several

years

> for making available most rarest holiest objects of hinduism. in

my

> best knowledge all the articles sold by richard are genuine even

> though the prices are on higher side. richard is a highly matured

> person sharing freely his knowledge (which he learnt over three

> decades) in various where i am active and he has so

many

> collectors' itmes which many can only dream of.

>

> my personal belief is that if some one has something which we do

not

> have, better we appreciate him and learn the same.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> >

> > dear richard,

> >

> > make your stand clear. whether you support gem wearing or not?

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear members,

 

Namaste.

 

Let me just add one thought to the dead-or-alive question. Besides the

quality and the flaws, gems are living entities. There are souls in them.

So this is what is meant by a living or a dead gem. A gem with a flaw is

usually dead, as the body is unable to carry the soul any more. But there

will be good effect only from a living gem, which was obtained in a

righteous way. For example many of the large gems in the British crown

were snatched from Indian temples. So a gem stolen from the Deity is

highly inauspicious, therefore we can suspect that this has helped the

destruction of the British Empire.

 

How can one decide that the gem is living or dead? Usually you feel it.

You will have a strong attraction towards a living gem, while the dead one

is not so attractive, similarly to the body. When its living, its

attractive, when its dead, tis repulsive.

 

Of course a ince gemstona can also be dead in some cases, or even worse

than that, loaded with bad karma, if the previous owners committed sins.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das

 

 

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Namaskaar Sri Swee

 

I have sent the chart to your personal email id. And yes, Sun in Navamsa is

with Ketu.

 

Thanks for the information on Puranas. I will try to get a set after due

diligence. This means another trip to the small lanes of Chandni Chowk or to

Rishikesh.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 2/12/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> I have a collection from several publishers. One is the Sanskrit version

> from Nag Publishers and Baroda University. My recent trip added my

> collections from Parimal Publishers and I try and contra the Sanskrit

> verses. Parimal has them in both texts. My current readings are both

> Bhramavaivarta Purana (lots of stotras and jyotish related remedies in

> there) and Vishnu Purana (currently on the energies of Rudra etc., to get

> a

> feeling/meaning into this wrt gems. I've also revealed some whilst in

> Delhi

> from the Narasimha Purana - Nag Publishers). While some of the texts do

> not

> concur with the one from B. Uni........The late Devi Chand's translations

> are literal translations too. One of the misgivings of a non jyotisha's

> translation :| (no offence intended here to anyone).

> If you are thinking of the Banarsidass Publications (diabolical command of

> the English language), there are very many mistakes in there, so you will

> need to verify or contra them with the Sanskrit version. So do take heed.

> In

> any case with my return in Mar/Apr, if I do find other interesting

> publications, I shall keep you informed.

> The natural healing abilities in you (and you've shown the deeper meanings

> in the shastras to us in Delhi) indicates the Sun (more than likely in a

> friendly sign) and Ketu's link with it. If not in the rasi, it must be

> there

> in navamsa.

> Please share your chart with me off line. I would appreciate it.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:47 PM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Namaskaar Sri Swee

>

> Nope, I am not a Gemstone Healer. Gemstones are an interest area and I

> have

> classified a lot of them.

>

> Which Puranas are you studying nowadays? Is it a translation or are you

> attempting to translate them? I have seen the Rs 24,000 complete set of

> Puranas by Publishers Motilal Banarsidass. What publication are you

> reading/interpreting?

> I have been wanting to possess a set. Can you recommend one?

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 2/12/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > Namaste

> >

> > I understood what you were trying to convey from your first mail. Just

> > wanted to confirm. Your comments reminds me of the Hunch Back of Noitre

> > Dame

> > or the Elephant Man. Both had warped body, but beautiful and gentle

> minds.

> > This shows the inner nature. But we must understand that lusterless gems

> > are

> > simply that. They do not emanate anything. The purana states that if the

> > gem

> > has that special electric colour like Indra's lightening and it is

> > flawless,

> > even the Devas will find their abode in them. In case you've missed it,

> > I've

> > mentioned it at the conference. But for healers using flawed stones, it

> is

> > quite different. Their crystals are used - some to project and some not.

> > They are very specific.

> > You've not confirmed if you are healer using gem crystals. If you are,

> my

> > recommendation is to use a quartz crystal and project that particular

> > colour

> > lighting to use on that patient. Cleansing of your own auric energy and

> > the

> > crystal has to be done after each treatment. It is therefore advisable

> to

> > have several crystals. But as in any healing, your taking on someone

> > else's

> > karma can be rather depleting to your own prana. Try and restrict to one

> > patient a day and up to 5 patients a week at the most.

> >

> > Those rutiles you have described are very different to the ones I've

> given

> > as an example. However, Star rubies, sapphires etc., have not been given

> > the

> > green light. Another example of commercialization.......tsk

> > tsk.........ALL

> > gems with the exception of Vaidurya and that falls in a pretty big

> family.

> >

> > Thanks for the chat.

> >

> > Love,

> > Swee

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > Astrology

> > Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:24 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Swee

> >

> > I am saying very different thing here. I am saying since Gems are made

> by

> > mother nature and its processes, they are sacred. It is amazing how a

> few

> > chemicals move together to form such brilliant Gems. To call them flaws

> is

> > to say the Nature does not know how to do its work. Furthermore to call

> > them

> > "dead" is to defile them and it is disrespect to Ma Shakti (divine

> mother

> > and the entire creation).

> >

> > I fully agree that those with more inclusions than necessary should not

> be

> > used for astrology. I also agree that some inclusions can change effects

> > of

> > the gemstone. I also know that Rutile needles inclusions are desired in

> > many

> > cases, especially in star rubies.

> >

> > Perhaps unusuable for Astrological purposes would be the right way of

> > labelling them, instead of the above.

> >

> > However, with Richard, I was only worried of calling them as "Flawed"

> and

> > "Dead". The whole world may call them flawed, damaged, etc... I

> wouldn't.

> > A

> > great master once said "Something false does not become true because 6

> > billion people believe in it".

> >

> > I hope you understand what I was trying to convey.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> > On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> > >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Bharat,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Are you talking about rutilated quartz? In some, you can see the

> quartz

> > is

> > > crystal clear/clean and it is rutilated with pyrite. In this case,

> > > recommend

> > > it as Venus - Mars combination.

> > > A beautiful Ruby I had, had red garnet crystal entrapped in there.

> With

> > > the

> > > naked eye, it is considered as flawless, but magnified at 80 times,

> you

> > > can

> > > make out the "alien/uparatna" in it. To me, this is already a gemstone

> > > whose

> > > virtues maybe nullified. But is it? Gems classified as flawless, like

> in

> > > the

> > > marketing of diamonds is identified for its flaws with a 10x loupe.

> The

> > > shastras do not say that we have to do this, possibly because an eye

> > clean

> > > material is accepted as "flawless".

> > > It takes 1 year to create 1 carat of gem. The slower the cooling

> > process,

> > > the more beautiful, the crystalisation. A flawed gem in the shastra

> are

> > > those especially with trasa/magma; cloudy/milky ones etc. So why is it

> > > they

> > > say to avoid those flawed crystals, and you say it is not flawed?

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Swee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > > Astrology

> > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:51 PM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Swee

> > >

> > > My point is those are natural inclusions too and cannot be called as a

> > > flawed.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > Cat's Eyes are included gemstones. Chrysoberyls also come with such

> > > > clarity,

> > > > but the translators also changed that to Cat's Eye.

> > > >

> > > > A gemstone is considered as flawed when it has cracks, acid, magma

> etc

> > > in

> > > > them.

> > > > Someone was gifted a flawed ruby with the "cotton wool" effect in

> the

> > > > gemstone. No two guesses as to what he began to suffer from until I

> > told

> > > > him

> > > > to take it off immediately.

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Swee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > > > Astrology

> > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51 AM

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > > >

> > > > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> > > >

> > > > Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem

> > could

> > > be

> > > > heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different

> > crystals

> > > > alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes

> the

> > > > results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

> > > > Astrology.

> > > >

> > > > If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the

> > > > gemstone,

> > > > perhaps we could use them effectively too.

> > > >

> > > > However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be

> > disrespectful

> > > to

> > > > say so, in my view.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > > > >

> > > > > Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> > > > > minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone wanting

> > > > > something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over

> the

> > > > > world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO

> > BODY

> > > > > likes death OR dead things.

> > > > >

> > > > > Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in

> classifying

> > > any

> > > > > gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4

> classes,

> > > > > i.e.,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> > > > > 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> > > > > 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> > > > > 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're

> perfect;

> > > if

> > > > > we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have

> > many

> > > > > illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too

> extreme

> > > > > then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

> > > > >

> > > > > So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because

> shastra

> > > > > says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of

> > ignorance,

> > > > > then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other

> evils

> > > > > torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

> > > > >

> > > > > Jyotish quality gems are not very affordable to poor people. Some

> > > > > people actually write to me and say (GRIN), "Dear sir, I am

> > penniless!

> > > > > What gem should I wear?"

> > > > >

> > > > > But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha

> > beads.

> > > > > As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so

> is

> > > His

> > > > > Rudraksha able to counter bad planets (unlike gems which simply

> > > magnify

> > > > > the planet, for better or worse). Rudraksha is also a "gem" and is

> > the

> > > > > gem for all...

> > > > >

> > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > > > > Designer & Gemologist

> > > > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > > > > http://www.agt-gems.com

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Namaskaar Sri Gauranga

 

I appreciate your statement that a gem which is stolen or taken by Adharmic

means will act as a powerful malefic for the perpetrator of such an action.

 

Coming to living or dead. None are dead. They could be either be alive by

the dieties or by others. Some are weak (but not dead) such that they

cannot give the desired result. Only a person who is pure minded can feel

the vibrations of a Gemstone.

 

Same goes for Idols. I had a very rare idol of Lord Shiva, doing tandava and

playing his Damru. Both his eyes are closed, but the 3rd eye is open. First

of all, it was as if the Idol wanted to come with me because whenever I

passed the showroom in Kathmandu, I would just stand dazed in front of it.

The owner charged much more, but I couldn't help resisting.

 

Such a powerful depiction of Shiva has to be worshipped in a proper temple.

I finally selected the purohit of Kedarnath Temple and asked him to worship

the same with complete

 

Therefore, I refrain from calling anything dead. The whole universe is alive

and in vibration.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

On 2/13/06, Gauranga Das <gaurangad wrote:

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> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear members,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Let me just add one thought to the dead-or-alive question. Besides the

> quality and the flaws, gems are living entities. There are souls in them.

> So this is what is meant by a living or a dead gem. A gem with a flaw is

> usually dead, as the body is unable to carry the soul any more. But there

> will be good effect only from a living gem, which was obtained in a

> righteous way. For example many of the large gems in the British crown

> were snatched from Indian temples. So a gem stolen from the Deity is

> highly inauspicious, therefore we can suspect that this has helped the

> destruction of the British Empire.

>

> How can one decide that the gem is living or dead? Usually you feel it.

> You will have a strong attraction towards a living gem, while the dead one

> is not so attractive, similarly to the body. When its living, its

> attractive, when its dead, tis repulsive.

>

> Of course a ince gemstona can also be dead in some cases, or even worse

> than that, loaded with bad karma, if the previous owners committed sins.

>

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>

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I am not in Gem business yet support their usage (under very specific

cases). What would you make of me?

 

:)

 

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On 2/13/06, Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

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> Dear Arjun,

> Thanks.

> Now it is clear that Richard is a BUSINESSMAN of holiest objects of

> Hinduism, and it is natural that he supports Gem Business.

> What about Swee? I would like to know, whether she also is in

> business. Gem Business??

> It is nothing wrong about business. But such bit of info, about

> one's profession, helps us in validating the statements of a person.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > both richard and swee have spent lot of time, money and energy in

> > touring india and collecting our holy scriptures and presented them

> > in an user friendly format in their respective websites which is a

> > good reading for all gem learners.

> >

> > i personally do not know swee much but can definitely say about

> > richard that he is known across the world for the past several

> years

> > for making available most rarest holiest objects of hinduism. in

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> > though the prices are on higher side. richard is a highly matured

> > person sharing freely his knowledge (which he learnt over three

> > decades) in various where i am active and he has so

> many

> > collectors' itmes which many can only dream of.

> >

> > my personal belief is that if some one has something which we do

> not

> > have, better we appreciate him and learn the same.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

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> > > make your stand clear. whether you support gem wearing or not?

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Dear Sreenadh,

Namaste

 

Dear Arjun,

Thanks.

Now it is clear that Richard is a BUSINESSMAN of holiest objects of

Hinduism, and it is natural that he supports Gem Business.

What about Swee? I would like to know, whether she also is in

business. Gem Business??

It is nothing wrong about business. But such bit of info, about

one's profession, helps us in validating the statements of a person.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

A gemstone miner. So I can pick the cream of the crop. My great

grandfather's Diamond (Rock) is now at the British Museum.

 

Love,

Swee

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I hope this words do not suit for any object on the earth.

Even stone has some vibrations . It is not visible by nacked eyes.

Any one having little knowledge of modern sciencs knows that Nothing is dead

on the planet. It varies in terms of Vibrations. Unified field of anergy

interacts every second with what we think and what we generate vibrations and

energy.

 

Colot therapy is used in the word since decades. Gem therapy is not new.

During second world war, Those prisoners kept in the room with Red Glass

windows were gradually going towards insanitation. It was known fact. Megnat

therapy, originated from France was also one of the subject while we study

alternative medicines.

 

skotak

 

Gauranga Das <gaurangad wrote:

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear members,

 

Namaste.

 

Let me just add one thought to the dead-or-alive question. Besides the

quality and the flaws, gems are living entities. There are souls in them.

So this is what is meant by a living or a dead gem. A gem with a flaw is

usually dead, as the body is unable to carry the soul any more. But there

will be good effect only from a living gem, which was obtained in a

righteous way. For example many of the large gems in the British crown

were snatched from Indian temples. So a gem stolen from the Deity is

highly inauspicious, therefore we can suspect that this has helped the

destruction of the British Empire.

 

How can one decide that the gem is living or dead? Usually you feel it.

You will have a strong attraction towards a living gem, while the dead one

is not so attractive, similarly to the body. When its living, its

attractive, when its dead, tis repulsive.

 

Of course a ince gemstona can also be dead in some cases, or even worse

than that, loaded with bad karma, if the previous owners committed sins.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das

 

 

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Tel: +36309140839

www.brihaspati.net

www.atmacenter.hu

Skype: gauranga_das

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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GEM IS the Purest part representing metal , color of the Planet itself.

All such arguments are useless. What quality we have in Munga-coral may not

represent % vise in Mangal.

 

skotak

 

Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

Dear Arjun,

Thanks.

Now it is clear that Richard is a BUSINESSMAN of holiest objects of

Hinduism, and it is natural that he supports Gem Business.

What about Swee? I would like to know, whether she also is in

business. Gem Business??

It is nothing wrong about business. But such bit of info, about

one's profession, helps us in validating the statements of a person.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

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> dear friends

>

> both richard and swee have spent lot of time, money and energy in

> touring india and collecting our holy scriptures and presented them

> in an user friendly format in their respective websites which is a

> good reading for all gem learners.

>

> i personally do not know swee much but can definitely say about

> richard that he is known across the world for the past several

years

> for making available most rarest holiest objects of hinduism. in

my

> best knowledge all the articles sold by richard are genuine even

> though the prices are on higher side. richard is a highly matured

> person sharing freely his knowledge (which he learnt over three

> decades) in various where i am active and he has so

many

> collectors' itmes which many can only dream of.

>

> my personal belief is that if some one has something which we do

not

> have, better we appreciate him and learn the same.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> >

> > dear richard,

> >

> > make your stand clear. whether you support gem wearing or not?

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hare Krishna

Dear friends,

I'm just entering the thread - For those who dont know. Swee is an

astrologer who has done ALOT of research from the Vedas on

gems ,which we should all appreciate- she also is working on an

incredible book about gems thAT WILL BE A GREAT REFERENCE

BOOK.Hopefully it will be finished soon and it can be published by

sagittarious publications.

Knowing her the past 5years she has offered her knowledge of gems,

and ability to get them -as a service, not as a business lady , to

take advantage of people!

So appreciate she can dig out the gems in mines and out of vedas as

well! this is a great service of researching Vedas she does.

with regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha!

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

> Namaste

>

> Dear Arjun,

> Thanks.

> Now it is clear that Richard is a BUSINESSMAN of holiest objects

of

> Hinduism, and it is natural that he supports Gem Business.

> What about Swee? I would like to know, whether she also is in

> business. Gem Business??

> It is nothing wrong about business. But such bit of info, about

> one's profession, helps us in validating the statements of a

person.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> A gemstone miner. So I can pick the cream of the crop. My great

> grandfather's Diamond (Rock) is now at the British Museum.

>

> Love,

> Swee

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dear friends

 

i too echoed similar sentiments earlier. swee and her website have

posted tomes of information related to astrology freely and her

gems section is the most detailed and i too learnt a lesson or two

freely from their site.

 

all member astrologers can engage another member in a discussion or

debate but it shall be academic and not personal. for example, i

have been consistent of my finding mention of ruby in NUMEROUS holy

scriptures but not so corroborative for others. i have been asking

about more references in holy scriptures to link stones to planets

and thank richard and swee for sharing thier knowledge.

 

coming to business of gems, as rightly observed by all members in

this thread, there is no wrong in selling a gem. in most temples in

south india, for having a glimpse of the diety a free darshan is

from a distance, normal ticket means closer, costlier ticket means

even closer, much more money means entry into the sanctum

sanctorum. even seeing god has become business and yet no one

complains even though this practice is unheard in the entire

northern parts of the country where most holiest places are located.

 

in saravali, kalana verma clearly says in 2nd chapter 5th

verse "Artharjane sahaya" means learning astrology would help a

native to earn money. all astrologers take a dakshina and one can

term it as fees or doing business. as once respected

dakshinamoorthiji said we are all in the pravritti marga since we

are spending money on net.

 

my personal fraternal request to all members is to throw more light

on the subject and not on the members. one can ask 101 questions to

swee, richard or any member but not spew vitriol. all are great

astrologers. if the criticisng member has 100 successful satisfied

testimonials from his customers, i am sure swee must be having 1000

with her. with my clairvoyance i can say swee has a much more wider

reach and recognition than the criticising members and hereby i give

her my best wishes in her continued research and knowledge sharing.

i further appreciate her maturity by not matching words with the

critics.

 

with best wishes and regards

arjun

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "lakshmikary"

<lakshmikary wrote:

>

> Hare Krishna

> Dear friends,

> I'm just entering the thread - For those who dont know. Swee is an

> astrologer who has done ALOT of research from the Vedas on

> gems ,which we should all appreciate- she also is working on an

> incredible book about gems thAT WILL BE A GREAT REFERENCE

> BOOK.Hopefully it will be finished soon and it can be published by

> sagittarious publications.

> Knowing her the past 5years she has offered her knowledge of gems,

> and ability to get them -as a service, not as a business lady , to

> take advantage of people!

> So appreciate she can dig out the gems in mines and out of vedas

as

> well! this is a great service of researching Vedas she does.

> with regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@> wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha!

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Dear Arjun,

> > Thanks.

> > Now it is clear that Richard is a BUSINESSMAN of holiest

objects

> of

> > Hinduism, and it is natural that he supports Gem Business.

> > What about Swee? I would like to know, whether she also is in

> > business. Gem Business??

> > It is nothing wrong about business. But such bit of info, about

> > one's profession, helps us in validating the statements of a

> person.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > A gemstone miner. So I can pick the cream of the crop. My great

> > grandfather's Diamond (Rock) is now at the British Museum.

> >

> > Love,

> > Swee

> >

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Namaste Gauranga Ji , skotak ji and all,

 

Living or Dead gems? May I please speak my mind.

 

When we talk about life or lack of it in gems what are we really saying? we

are defining parameters of "Jyotish Quality Gems". This "life" is the essence

to the use of gems in remedial jyotish. Without this "life", gems are just

left with ornamental value. Yes, you get chemical properties in each gem

variant and yes you have color therapy at work but their is MORE to wearing

gems

that have "life" in them , and it is this "more" that actually works miracles

by inviting the deity associated to grace the gem.

 

All fine gems have brilliant faceting, maximum color, flawless clarity and

significant carat weight- all this put together makes them a fine quality gem,

but to qualify to be called a "jyotish quality gemstone", it has to be

more...It has to all of the above qualities naturally, it has to be free from

prior use (which makes the gem carry wearer's karma, good or bad) to give sweet

netural and saattvic feel. Sri. Gauranga ji most accurately calls this the

"inviting" effect as a result of "life" of the gem.

 

For example, for those of you who know a little bit about gems, all blue

topaz is commercially enchaned white topaz that is heavily used in ornaments

today, if you try and feel it you will feel a repulsive effect that is almost

Rahu like; cause- the radiation treatment method to change the color from white

to blue ( or other shades for that matter). Similarly, treatments like glass

filings (specially in emeralds), heating (quartz, topaz), diffusion

(corundum), oiling (feldspar, agates, beryl), re-construction (coral,

turquoise),

thermal enhancements etc leave the gems empty in its "auric" value and lifeless

therefore not fit for Jyotish use.

 

A good gem starts showing results even before you wear it, tells my guru,

and I am living proof of it... :)

 

Namaste

Gaurav Jain

 

 

n a message dated 2/13/2006 9:50:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

skotak35 writes:

 

I hope this words do not suit for any object on the earth.

Even stone has some vibrations . It is not visible by nacked eyes.

Any one having little knowledge of modern sciencs knows that Nothing is dead

on the planet. It varies in terms of Vibrations. Unified field of anergy

interacts every second with what we think and what we generate vibrations and

energy.

 

Colot therapy is used in the word since decades. Gem therapy is not new.

During second world war, Those prisoners kept in the room with Red Glass

windows were gradually going towards insanitation. It was known fact. Megnat

therapy, originated from France was also one of the subject while we study

alternative medicines.

 

skotak

 

Gauranga Das <gaurangad wrote:

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear members,

 

Namaste.

 

Let me just add one thought to the dead-or-alive question. Besides the

quality and the flaws, gems are living entities. There are souls in them.

So this is what is meant by a living or a dead gem. A gem with a flaw is

usually dead, as the body is unable to carry the soul any more. But there

will be good effect only from a living gem, which was obtained in a

righteous way. For example many of the large gems in the British crown

were snatched from Indian temples. So a gem stolen from the Deity is

highly inauspicious, therefore we can suspect that this has helped the

destruction of the British Empire.

 

How can one decide that the gem is living or dead? Usually you feel it.

You will have a strong attraction towards a living gem, while the dead one

is not so attractive, similarly to the body. When its living, its

attractive, when its dead, tis repulsive.

 

Of course a ince gemstona can also be dead in some cases, or even worse

than that, loaded with bad karma, if the previous owners committed sins.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das

 

 

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Namaskaar Sri Swee

 

Surely. Do give me a call whenever you are coming over to Delhi. I have

found the address and phone numbers of Nag Publishers and shall be

contacting them soon.

 

Looking forward to more analysis from you.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

On 2/13/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> Thank you for your chart. Dictum from BPHS, AK in 7th, fame later in life.

> The Sun-Ketu combo should shine through then.

> I have not been to Chandi Chowk in 4 years. If you like, we can go

> together.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> Monday, February 13, 2006 3:57 PM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

>

> Namaskaar Sri Swee

>

> I have sent the chart to your personal email id. And yes, Sun in Navamsa

> is

> with Ketu.

>

> Thanks for the information on Puranas. I will try to get a set after due

> diligence. This means another trip to the small lanes of Chandni Chowk or

> to

> Rishikesh.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> On 2/12/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > Namaste

> >

> > I have a collection from several publishers. One is the Sanskrit version

> > from Nag Publishers and Baroda University. My recent trip added my

> > collections from Parimal Publishers and I try and contra the Sanskrit

> > verses. Parimal has them in both texts. My current readings are both

> > Bhramavaivarta Purana (lots of stotras and jyotish related remedies in

> > there) and Vishnu Purana (currently on the energies of Rudra etc., to

> get

> > a

> > feeling/meaning into this wrt gems. I've also revealed some whilst in

> > Delhi

> > from the Narasimha Purana - Nag Publishers). While some of the texts do

> > not

> > concur with the one from B. Uni........The late Devi Chand's

> translations

> > are literal translations too. One of the misgivings of a non jyotisha's

> > translation :| (no offence intended here to anyone).

> > If you are thinking of the Banarsidass Publications (diabolical command

> of

> > the English language), there are very many mistakes in there, so you

> will

> > need to verify or contra them with the Sanskrit version. So do take

> heed.

> > In

> > any case with my return in Mar/Apr, if I do find other interesting

> > publications, I shall keep you informed.

> > The natural healing abilities in you (and you've shown the deeper

> meanings

> > in the shastras to us in Delhi) indicates the Sun (more than likely in a

> > friendly sign) and Ketu's link with it. If not in the rasi, it must be

> > there

> > in navamsa.

> > Please share your chart with me off line. I would appreciate it.

> >

> > Love,

> > Swee

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > Astrology

> > Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:47 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Swee

> >

> > Nope, I am not a Gemstone Healer. Gemstones are an interest area and I

> > have

> > classified a lot of them.

> >

> > Which Puranas are you studying nowadays? Is it a translation or are you

> > attempting to translate them? I have seen the Rs 24,000 complete set of

> > Puranas by Publishers Motilal Banarsidass. What publication are you

> > reading/interpreting?

> > I have been wanting to possess a set. Can you recommend one?

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> > On 2/12/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> > >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Bharat,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > I understood what you were trying to convey from your first mail. Just

> > > wanted to confirm. Your comments reminds me of the Hunch Back of

> Noitre

> > > Dame

> > > or the Elephant Man. Both had warped body, but beautiful and gentle

> > minds.

> > > This shows the inner nature. But we must understand that lusterless

> gems

> > > are

> > > simply that. They do not emanate anything. The purana states that if

> the

> > > gem

> > > has that special electric colour like Indra's lightening and it is

> > > flawless,

> > > even the Devas will find their abode in them. In case you've missed

> it,

> > > I've

> > > mentioned it at the conference. But for healers using flawed stones,

> it

> > is

> > > quite different. Their crystals are used - some to project and some

> not.

> > > They are very specific.

> > > You've not confirmed if you are healer using gem crystals. If you are,

> > my

> > > recommendation is to use a quartz crystal and project that particular

> > > colour

> > > lighting to use on that patient. Cleansing of your own auric energy

> and

> > > the

> > > crystal has to be done after each treatment. It is therefore advisable

> > to

> > > have several crystals. But as in any healing, your taking on someone

> > > else's

> > > karma can be rather depleting to your own prana. Try and restrict to

> one

> > > patient a day and up to 5 patients a week at the most.

> > >

> > > Those rutiles you have described are very different to the ones I've

> > given

> > > as an example. However, Star rubies, sapphires etc., have not been

> given

> > > the

> > > green light. Another example of commercialization.......tsk

> > > tsk.........ALL

> > > gems with the exception of Vaidurya and that falls in a pretty big

> > family.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the chat.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Swee

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > > Astrology

> > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:24 PM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Swee

> > >

> > > I am saying very different thing here. I am saying since Gems are made

> > by

> > > mother nature and its processes, they are sacred. It is amazing how a

> > few

> > > chemicals move together to form such brilliant Gems. To call them

> flaws

> > is

> > > to say the Nature does not know how to do its work. Furthermore to

> call

> > > them

> > > "dead" is to defile them and it is disrespect to Ma Shakti (divine

> > mother

> > > and the entire creation).

> > >

> > > I fully agree that those with more inclusions than necessary should

> not

> > be

> > > used for astrology. I also agree that some inclusions can change

> effects

> > > of

> > > the gemstone. I also know that Rutile needles inclusions are desired

> in

> > > many

> > > cases, especially in star rubies.

> > >

> > > Perhaps unusuable for Astrological purposes would be the right way of

> > > labelling them, instead of the above.

> > >

> > > However, with Richard, I was only worried of calling them as "Flawed"

> > and

> > > "Dead". The whole world may call them flawed, damaged, etc... I

> > wouldn't.

> > > A

> > > great master once said "Something false does not become true because 6

> > > billion people believe in it".

> > >

> > > I hope you understand what I was trying to convey.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > Are you talking about rutilated quartz? In some, you can see the

> > quartz

> > > is

> > > > crystal clear/clean and it is rutilated with pyrite. In this case,

> > > > recommend

> > > > it as Venus - Mars combination.

> > > > A beautiful Ruby I had, had red garnet crystal entrapped in there.

> > With

> > > > the

> > > > naked eye, it is considered as flawless, but magnified at 80 times,

> > you

> > > > can

> > > > make out the "alien/uparatna" in it. To me, this is already a

> gemstone

> > > > whose

> > > > virtues maybe nullified. But is it? Gems classified as flawless,

> like

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > marketing of diamonds is identified for its flaws with a 10x loupe.

> > The

> > > > shastras do not say that we have to do this, possibly because an eye

> > > clean

> > > > material is accepted as "flawless".

> > > > It takes 1 year to create 1 carat of gem. The slower the cooling

> > > process,

> > > > the more beautiful, the crystalisation. A flawed gem in the shastra

> > are

> > > > those especially with trasa/magma; cloudy/milky ones etc. So why is

> it

> > > > they

> > > > say to avoid those flawed crystals, and you say it is not flawed?

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Swee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > > > Astrology

> > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:51 PM

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > > >

> > > > Namaskaar Sri Swee

> > > >

> > > > My point is those are natural inclusions too and cannot be called as

> a

> > > > flawed.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 2/11/06, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > Cat's Eyes are included gemstones. Chrysoberyls also come with

> such

> > > > > clarity,

> > > > > but the translators also changed that to Cat's Eye.

> > > > >

> > > > > A gemstone is considered as flawed when it has cracks, acid, magma

> > etc

> > > > in

> > > > > them.

> > > > > Someone was gifted a flawed ruby with the "cotton wool" effect in

> > the

> > > > > gemstone. No two guesses as to what he began to suffer from until

> I

> > > told

> > > > > him

> > > > > to take it off immediately.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Swee

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:51 AM

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> > > > >

> > > > > Gems are never flawed. They are creations of Mother nature. A Gem

> > > could

> > > > be

> > > > > heavily included but never flawed. The Inclusions of different

> > > crystals

> > > > > alter the intrinsic quality of the gemstone and therefore, changes

> > the

> > > > > results that we expect out it. In that sense, it is not useful for

> > > > > Astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > If we could study, how the inclusions change the character of the

> > > > > gemstone,

> > > > > perhaps we could use them effectively too.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, I wouldn't call them dead or flawed. It would be

> > > disrespectful

> > > > to

> > > > > say so, in my view.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 2/11/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > GEMS WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good question!? Does any body want some DEAD thing? Apart from a

> > > > > > minuscule percentage of lunatics, we cannot imagine anyone

> wanting

> > > > > > something that is DEAD! Dead is considered inauspicious all over

> > the

> > > > > > world, and in every religion. People may say so, but, in fact NO

> > > BODY

> > > > > > likes death OR dead things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking at an over view of the many factors involved in

> > classifying

> > > > any

> > > > > > gems in terms of luck, and we see the facts boil down to 4

> > classes,

> > > > > > i.e.,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Flawless, PERFECT gems

> > > > > > 2) Slightly flawed HEALTHY gems

> > > > > > 3) moderately flawed SICK gems

> > > > > > 4) heavily flawed or DEAD gems.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just like our own bodies. If we are disease free then we're

> > perfect;

> > > > if

> > > > > > we have slight sickness then we're basically healthy. is we have

> > > many

> > > > > > illness then we're sick, and if the defect or illness is too

> > extreme

> > > > > > then we are forced out of the body, leaving a dead body.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So when buying gems, always go for the HEALTHY ones because

> > shastra

> > > > > > says, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of

> > > ignorance,

> > > > > > then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other

> > evils

> > > > > > torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jyotish quality gems are not very affordable to poor people.

> Some

> > > > > > people actually write to me and say (GRIN), "Dear sir, I am

> > > penniless!

> > > > > > What gem should I wear?"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But in all cases everyone can benefit from different Rudraksha

> > > beads.

> > > > > > As Lord Mahadeva is greater than all the Grahadevas combined, so

> > is

> > > > His

> > > > > > Rudraksha able to counter bad planets (unlike gems which simply

> > > > magnify

> > > > > > the planet, for better or worse). Rudraksha is also a "gem" and

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > gem for all...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > > > > > Designer & Gemologist

> > > > > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

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