Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Dear group, I have a very basic query. What gains precendece, lagna chart or bhav chalit? If a native has Mars in the seventh in the lagna chart but in Bhav chalit this moves to the sixth, do we conclude that he is a mangalik or a non-mangalik? Thanks, Raji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Dear Raji, Bhava chalit is about our Astral Body and it has little say on physical manifestation, it can hovewer divert Your thinking about Yourself (if Lagna is at border), Rasi is movement of eastern horizon due to rotation of the earth and describe Satya. Regards Rafal Gendarz - "raji1153" <raji1153 <vedic astrology> Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:17 AM [vedic astrology] Importance of Bhav chalit > Dear group, > > I have a very basic query. What gains precendece, lagna chart or bhav > chalit? > > If a native has Mars in the seventh in the lagna chart but in Bhav > chalit this moves to the sixth, do we conclude that he is a mangalik > or a non-mangalik? > > Thanks, > Raji. > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Dear Raji, As per ancient astrology there is nothing called Bhava chalit. Important point to know "Rasi and Bhava are he same". They differ only in the sense that Rasi is counted from Aris, while Bhava is counted from Asc, that is all to it. All astrologers up to the period of Mihira and Kalyanavarma clearly knew this, and even Krishneeyam and Hora Rathnam states the same!! The mistake of considering Bhava as a separate entity from Rasi originated only with Sripathy of 10th century, as far as my knowledge goes. I would say that he is one of the persons who corrupted astrology by bringing-in concepts like, 1) Bhava as a separate entity from Rasi 2) Gochara-Vedha system etc. Many may not agree with this opinion, I know. But I would humbly ask them to produce evidence supporting there stand. Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, "raji1153" <raji1153> wrote: > > Dear group, > > I have a very basic query. What gains precendece, lagna chart or bhav > chalit? > > If a native has Mars in the seventh in the lagna chart but in Bhav > chalit this moves to the sixth, do we conclude that he is a mangalik > or a non-mangalik? > > Thanks, > Raji. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Namaste, The entire KP house system is based on start and end of bhavas in which some signs could just disappear in the chart. Now many who use KP and get great results will say that KP with Plasidus cusps should be used. Many use equal bhava system. Whether it works or not is hard to prove or disprove as there are so many myriads of parameters that one can prove almost anything. Thorow into the mix the so called divisions used as charts then anything can be explained away. I mean we can not even agree whether one should use 360/year or 365 days/year. Many say they get good results based on what they use. Now one has to use position from the surface of earth, i.e. topocentric. How many even know that many a programs calculate the position from the center of the earth. This is something that could be easily resolved, but it can not be as each camp can introduce new parameters to explain their pet theory. .... On 1/21/06, Sreenadh <sreelid wrote: > > Dear Raji, > As per ancient astrology there is nothing called Bhava chalit. > Important point to know "Rasi and Bhava are he same". > They differ only in the sense that Rasi is counted from Aris, while > Bhava is counted from Asc, that is all to it. All astrologers up to > the period of Mihira and Kalyanavarma clearly knew this, and even > Krishneeyam and Hora Rathnam states the same!! > The mistake of considering Bhava as a separate entity from Rasi > originated only with Sripathy of 10th century, as far as my knowledge > goes. I would say that he is one of the persons who corrupted > astrology by bringing-in concepts like, > 1) Bhava as a separate entity from Rasi > 2) Gochara-Vedha system etc. > Many may not agree with this opinion, I know. But I would humbly ask > them to produce evidence supporting there stand. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > vedic astrology, "raji1153" <raji1153> > wrote: > > > > Dear group, > > > > I have a very basic query. What gains precendece, lagna chart or > bhav > > chalit? > > > > If a native has Mars in the seventh in the lagna chart but in Bhav > > chalit this moves to the sixth, do we conclude that he is a mangalik > > or a non-mangalik? > > > > Thanks, > > Raji. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=\ Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Uokti\ PHSoTwQkpGMXBNeEg> Vedic > astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart\ &w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=q\ NtEn5POAbTpzmtNKIdnHA> Astrology > horoscope</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+c\ hart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.s\ ig=8kShDb5zI-EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+cha\ rt&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig\ =Je51jg697mjdLNt6iLuaCw> > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology<vedic astrology>" > on the web. > > - > vedic astrology<vedic astrology-@gro\ ups.com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Dear Dear Pandit ji (Dr. Ketkar ji), Thanks for your support on this. I agree completly with your statements. You said: > This is something that could be easily resolved. Yes, since all ancient classics suports the fact that "Rasi and Bhava are he same". And you continue: > but it can not be as each camp can introduce new parameters to > explain their pet theory. Yes, look at the many systems for creating Bhava Chalit, and look at the many elaborate systems that sprung based on that!! I can not but agree with your sincere openions!!! Thanks for all that well thought knowledge poured in. Good to see such valuable mails, stuffed with good advice and indications. Thanks. Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote: > > Namaste, > > The entire KP house system is based on start and end of bhavas in which some > signs could just disappear in the chart. Now many who use KP and get great > results will say that KP with Plasidus cusps should be used. Many use equal > bhava system. Whether it works or not is hard to prove or disprove as there > are so many myriads of parameters that one can prove almost anything. Thorow > into the mix the so called divisions used as charts then anything can be > explained away. I mean we can not even agree whether one should use 360/year > or 365 days/year. Many say they get good results based on what they use. Now > one has to use position from the surface of earth, i.e. topocentric. How > many even know that many a programs calculate the position from the center > of the earth. This is something that could be easily resolved, but it can > not be as each camp can introduce new parameters to explain their pet > theory. > > ... > > > On 1/21/06, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote: > > > > Dear Raji, > > As per ancient astrology there is nothing called Bhava chalit. > > Important point to know "Rasi and Bhava are he same". > > They differ only in the sense that Rasi is counted from Aris, while > > Bhava is counted from Asc, that is all to it. All astrologers up to > > the period of Mihira and Kalyanavarma clearly knew this, and even > > Krishneeyam and Hora Rathnam states the same!! > > The mistake of considering Bhava as a separate entity from Rasi > > originated only with Sripathy of 10th century, as far as my knowledge > > goes. I would say that he is one of the persons who corrupted > > astrology by bringing-in concepts like, > > 1) Bhava as a separate entity from Rasi > > 2) Gochara-Vedha system etc. > > Many may not agree with this opinion, I know. But I would humbly ask > > them to produce evidence supporting there stand. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > vedic astrology, "raji1153" <raji1153> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear group, > > > > > > I have a very basic query. What gains precendece, lagna chart or > > bhav > > > chalit? > > > > > > If a native has Mars in the seventh in the lagna chart but in Bhav > > > chalit this moves to the sixth, do we conclude that he is a mangalik > > > or a non-mangalik? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Raji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) com > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrol ogy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&. sig=UoktiPHSoTwQkpGMXBNeEg> Vedic > > astrology</gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrol ogy+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&. sig=qNtEn5POAbTpzmtNKIdnHA> Astrology > > horoscope</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=As trology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=8kShDb5zI- EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > > software</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Ast rology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&. sig=Je51jg697mjdLNt6iLuaCw> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology</ group/vedic astrology>" > > on the web. > > > > - > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology- ?subject=Un> > > > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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