Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Dear Shree. Shreenadh, Namaskaar, The short point is the quality of discussion. The basics, as they come down to lesser astrology enthusiasts like me, seem to suffer in the face of plurality of rules and/or conventions. You have already allude to one or two of them. No, I was not drawing you into any debate. (You are too subtle for that, I guess. You would rather like a ringside view as others... Doesn't your use of the favourite emoticon suggest that?) I'm glad my understanding of the overall scenario finds empathy in you, who must be having incomparably greater knowledge in and exposure to the subject -- something which is evident from your obsevations every now and then -- and who might as well go on fielding pertinent questions from time to time and sow the seed of discussion of topics and issues sorely wanting in consensus. (One cannot help feeling at times that astrology is a highly persopnalised tool.) Re oral tradition: I said, possibly due to..., didn't I? Quite many other reasons, most of which I may not be aware of. But fact is it is in disrepair at least as we get to access it, particularly given the way most of the times the core tenets are expounded by many of those 'who are going before us'. Now on to a silly specific. Ask who? And yet why not? Even when I address my words to you, it is open to the forum at large. Whosoever thinks it fit, would say what is of use and help to group members, I believe. B.t.w. I found the animal imagery iffy. Please. Finally, I believe we are not through with Aries asc.; but tell me, How much exactly does the sign-affinity dynamics of planets w.r.t. the asc. matter when planets actually take up residence in signs/houses? Very! ThanX for bringing in the prediction-beyond-interpretation topic. I thank Shree. Dakshinamoorthi too for his replies to your questions. Warm regards, RK Dash vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid> wrote: > > Dear RK Dash ji, > I had to look in the dictionary while reading your mail - to > understand, maven, egged on, miffed, vagaries etc. I am just a > beginner as far as English is concerned, and that is why such a > situation. But sir, what a language! Quite impressive! > > Let me hand it to you: you're a maven. First for > > initiating the bare-essential brain-storming that > > your 'Let's predict...' set off. > Well, if 'Let's predict....' set off any kind of brain storming, then > truly, I am glad!! Though it was not that reflective here in this > forum, I hope you will be right. > > Now you are on to matchmaking, possibly egged on (not miffed) by > > concurrent exchanges now also on at the group forum. > True!!... But we people are like jackals - we sit wait and when we > feel that it it proper time to introduce a subject, jump in and have > our word!!!.....) Ask Dakshinamoorthi ji - he may agree to the same > !! > > Yes, I do feel the same way. On the one hand we > > talk of papasamya and on the other we say a girl with > > a fate (or possibility) of widowhood > > be married to a boy with good longevity. > How can we fee the same way??!!! I never exposed the fact that, I am > in support of Horoscope matching or Against it!!! Are you inviting me > to the platform that talks against papasamya and horoscope matching?. > ...) Please wait, and see what others feel.... > > The issues and challenges > > facing vedic astrology are deep indeed. It awaits a standardisation > > after a long spell of corruption, > I agree, completely. > > possibly due to some of the > > vagaries the oral tradition is subject to. > No sir!!! Actually it is the oral tradition that kept astrology in > its original form and saved it from corruption!!! In Kerala it never > underwent much corruption only because of the fact that the oral > tradition was also present!! The presnamagachaya never said/talked > about interpreting Navamsa chart(and the other vargas) independently, > and look at the north Indian system where people are interpreting > Navamsa chart independently for the past 300 or more years, without > the support of a single book or sloka!!! And now they have started > interpreting Presnamarga also in the same way!!! The primary reason > could only be break occurred in the continuity of the oral tradition! > !! This is a conclusion we draw upon when we compare the systems > followed in North/South. OK. It is all together a different subject > and should not be brought into the issue of Horoscope Matching..... > Love, > Sreeandh > > > vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shree. Sreenadh, > > Let me hand it to you: you're a maven. First for initiating the > bare- > > essential brain-storming that your 'Let's predict...' set off. Now > > you are on to matchmaking, possibly egged on (not miffed) by > > concurrent exchanges now also on at the group forum. > > > > Yes, I do feel the same way. On the one hand we talk of papasamya > and > > on the other we say a girl with a fate (or possiblity) of widowhood > > be married to a boy with good longevity. The issues and challenges > > facing vedic astrology are deep indeed. It awaits a standardisation > > after a long spell of corruption, possibly due to some of the > > vagaries the oral tradition is subject to. > > > > Good starters, good work. > > > > Touched by your 'BTW observation'. > > > > Best, > > RK Dash > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > No where in Vedas it is said that Horoscope matching should be > > done. > > > How this system came into existence? Is it necessary that we > should > > > follow it? If we have to, can we be sure that horoscope matching > > will > > > decrease the hardships in one's horoscope? If so, how? In > > Papasamya/ > > > Kuja dosha etc we match the position of Malifics. Here what is > > meant > > > by Samya (in papa samya). What is the authentic sloka related to > > it? > > > Or is there any authentic sloka related to it? Is star match > > > important or graha samya? > > > There are thousands of questions that may come up related to > > > Horoscope matching. Can't we try to answer at least some of them? > > At > > > least the fundamental ones? I hope a hot discussion of the subject > > > would take place. Let us make it a good exercise. Also dear ones, > > > suggest a position for me in this game. Should I talk in support > of > > > Horoscope matching or against it? Let new ideas come up. I will > > full > > > fill my roll and later expose my original stand as well. > > > Please, anybody don't come up with saying that I am egotic and > > > that is why starting such a discussion!! I am a poor fellow who > > enjoys > > > astrology, and nothing else but love to share > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Dear RK Dash ji, Thanks for that mail. You said > Finally, I believe we are not through with Aries asc.; but tell me, > How much exactly does the sign-affinity dynamics of planets w.r.t. > the asc. matter when planets actually take up residence in > signs/houses? Very! Dear Dash ji, take this short point, which is very very important. The the total astrological prediction system is a 7-folded one. The phalas are related to: 1. Sign 2. Bhava 3. Planet 4. Sign-Bhava 5. Sign-Planet 6. Bhava-Planet 7. Sign-Bhava-Planet combinations. The total prediction game with Ar Asc was based on Sign-Bhava combination. It is one of the methods in the 7-fold system, which forms the basement of total astrological prediction system. No body seems to realize it and spoted the point. Yes, we are not through with Aries Asc. i.e. Not even completely discussed Sign-Bhava prediction system for one of the 12 signs!! One stepping to prediction, should know the predictions using all these 7- combinations, and the sum total is what takes effect, finally. But, see nobody seems to have time, patience, and inquisitiveness to dive deep into the fundamentals of the system, even when saying that they dedicate themselves for the subject. In most cases the study abruptly ends up in nurturing their own ego! I am feeling sad.... I can't help...People who are after money, speaks as if they are against money and what not. The life is based on 4 things as everybody knows: 1. Dharma (Original Inner Nature) 2. Ardha (Money which is essential tool to create life environment) 3. Kama (The ultimate driving force of life) 4. Moksha (Enlightenment - the ultimate purpose of life) Neither a ordinary man nor an enlightened personality can discard any of them till they are alive. Since living in a body itself means we are bound by these 4 forces. But simple things that anybody willing to peak into his own inner world is mostly seen by none!! It is sad. Like Osho or Krishnamurthy said "It is better to drop all that is learned", and start afresh by observing oneself. Yes, this point gets reflected in the discussions of this forum as well, as "just follow your thoughts and speak, knowledge flows out, and divinity makes its presence". From where that knowledge is coming from? That source why we are neglecting? Yes, fundamentals are more important. When one is proposing new laws and modeling them with examples, it shouldn't get conflicted with the fundamentals. Just said something that came to the mind. It is not worthy - just forget it. > ThanX for bringing in the prediction-beyond-interpretation topic. I > thank Shree. Dakshinamoorthi too for his replies to your questions. That is good material for another mail. Surely I will reply. Because that generated some thoughts in my mind. I think some valuable points Gurji Dakshnamoorthi guided our attention to needs an elaboration, because then only it would noticed by everybody. Yes, me would like to join hands and say - Thank you Shree.Dakshnamoorthi ji. Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash> wrote: > > > Dear Shree. Shreenadh, Namaskaar, > > The short point is the quality of discussion. The basics, as they > come down to lesser astrology enthusiasts like me, seem to suffer in > the face of plurality of rules and/or conventions. You have already > allude to one or two of them. No, I was not drawing you into any > debate. (You are too subtle for that, I guess. You would rather like > a ringside view as others... Doesn't your use of the favourite > emoticon suggest that?) > > I'm glad my understanding of the overall scenario finds empathy in > you, who must be having incomparably greater knowledge in and > exposure to the subject -- something which is evident from your > obsevations every now and then -- and who might as well go on > fielding pertinent questions from time to time and sow the seed of > discussion of topics and issues sorely wanting in consensus. (One > cannot help feeling at times that astrology is a highly persopnalised > tool.) > > Re oral tradition: I said, possibly due to..., didn't I? Quite many > other reasons, most of which I may not be aware of. But fact is it is > in disrepair at least as we get to access it, particularly given the > way most of the times the core tenets are expounded by many of > those 'who are going before us'. > > Now on to a silly specific. Ask who? And yet why not? Even when I > address my words to you, it is open to the forum at large. Whosoever > thinks it fit, would say what is of use and help to group members, I > believe. B.t.w. I found the animal imagery iffy. Please. > > Finally, I believe we are not through with Aries asc.; but tell me, > How much exactly does the sign-affinity dynamics of planets w.r.t. > the asc. matter when planets actually take up residence in > signs/houses? Very! > > ThanX for bringing in the prediction-beyond-interpretation topic. I > thank Shree. Dakshinamoorthi too for his replies to your questions. > > Warm regards, > RK Dash > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid> > wrote: > > > > Dear RK Dash ji, > > I had to look in the dictionary while reading your mail - to > > understand, maven, egged on, miffed, vagaries etc. I am just a > > beginner as far as English is concerned, and that is why such a > > situation. But sir, what a language! Quite impressive! > > > Let me hand it to you: you're a maven. First for > > > initiating the bare-essential brain-storming that > > > your 'Let's predict...' set off. > > Well, if 'Let's predict....' set off any kind of brain storming, > then > > truly, I am glad!! Though it was not that reflective here in this > > forum, I hope you will be right. > > > Now you are on to matchmaking, possibly egged on (not miffed) by > > > concurrent exchanges now also on at the group forum. > > True!!... But we people are like jackals - we sit wait and when > we > > feel that it it proper time to introduce a subject, jump in and > have > > our word!!!.....) Ask Dakshinamoorthi ji - he may agree to the > same > > !! > > > Yes, I do feel the same way. On the one hand we > > > talk of papasamya and on the other we say a girl with > > > a fate (or possibility) of widowhood > > > be married to a boy with good longevity. > > How can we fee the same way??!!! I never exposed the fact that, I > am > > in support of Horoscope matching or Against it!!! Are you inviting > me > > to the platform that talks against papasamya and horoscope > matching?. > > ...) Please wait, and see what others feel.... > > > The issues and challenges > > > facing vedic astrology are deep indeed. It awaits a > standardisation > > > after a long spell of corruption, > > I agree, completely. > > > possibly due to some of the > > > vagaries the oral tradition is subject to. > > No sir!!! Actually it is the oral tradition that kept astrology in > > its original form and saved it from corruption!!! In Kerala it > never > > underwent much corruption only because of the fact that the oral > > tradition was also present!! The presnamagachaya never said/talked > > about interpreting Navamsa chart(and the other vargas) > independently, > > and look at the north Indian system where people are interpreting > > Navamsa chart independently for the past 300 or more years, without > > the support of a single book or sloka!!! And now they have started > > interpreting Presnamarga also in the same way!!! The primary reason > > could only be break occurred in the continuity of the oral > tradition! > > !! This is a conclusion we draw upon when we compare the systems > > followed in North/South. OK. It is all together a different subject > > and should not be brought into the issue of Horoscope > Matching..... > > Love, > > Sreeandh > > > > > > vedic astrology, "arkaydash" > <arkaydash> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shree. Sreenadh, > > > Let me hand it to you: you're a maven. First for initiating the > > bare- > > > essential brain-storming that your 'Let's predict...' set off. > Now > > > you are on to matchmaking, possibly egged on (not miffed) by > > > concurrent exchanges now also on at the group forum. > > > > > > Yes, I do feel the same way. On the one hand we talk of papasamya > > and > > > on the other we say a girl with a fate (or possiblity) of > widowhood > > > be married to a boy with good longevity. The issues and > challenges > > > facing vedic astrology are deep indeed. It awaits a > standardisation > > > after a long spell of corruption, possibly due to some of the > > > vagaries the oral tradition is subject to. > > > > > > Good starters, good work. > > > > > > Touched by your 'BTW observation'. > > > > > > Best, > > > RK Dash > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > No where in Vedas it is said that Horoscope matching should > be > > > done. > > > > How this system came into existence? Is it necessary that we > > should > > > > follow it? If we have to, can we be sure that horoscope > matching > > > will > > > > decrease the hardships in one's horoscope? If so, how? In > > > Papasamya/ > > > > Kuja dosha etc we match the position of Malifics. Here what is > > > meant > > > > by Samya (in papa samya). What is the authentic sloka related > to > > > it? > > > > Or is there any authentic sloka related to it? Is star match > > > > important or graha samya? > > > > There are thousands of questions that may come up related to > > > > Horoscope matching. Can't we try to answer at least some of > them? > > > At > > > > least the fundamental ones? I hope a hot discussion of the > subject > > > > would take place. Let us make it a good exercise. Also dear > ones, > > > > suggest a position for me in this game. Should I talk in > support > > of > > > > Horoscope matching or against it? Let new ideas come up. I will > > > full > > > > fill my roll and later expose my original stand as well. > > > > Please, anybody don't come up with saying that I am egotic > and > > > > that is why starting such a discussion!! I am a poor fellow who > > > enjoys > > > > astrology, and nothing else but love to share > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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