interpretations vs. predictions

January 14, 2006

Dear Gurujis,

I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in astrology

books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a difficult task

once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind and is

intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past event with

100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give predictions as

to the future events correctly.

Blessings

Renu

January 14, 2006

Dear Renuji:

You are quite right! There is a saying:

"Those who know astrology can only indicate in a way what will take

place in future. Who else, except the Creator Brahma, can say with

certainty what will definitely happen?"

Astrology is not designed to be an ABSOLUTE subject. If Fate is such

fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything is

prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere to

Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then there

should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?

On the contrary, planets impel... they do not compel....We are

presented with circumstances that are compatible with our karma; the

choices that we make regarding our actions in those circumstances

cause alterations in the course of our fate.

Minor events in life will always be subject to changed influences

arising out of karma accumulated in this birth. But, an expert

astrologer should be able to predict the broad outlines with a

respectable degree of accuracy. For instance, the horoscopes of Great

Leaders, intellectuals, spiritual Heads or Heads of State will

definitely show such high promise. In the case of other persons, the

role of astrologer is not to predict the course but to suggest the

best possible course, as the natal influences can be modified to some

extent with appropriate choices and remedies.

Magazines are designed to generate interest among the readers and

journalistic considerations rather than astrological ethics govern

most journals as far as my experience with them indicates. Most

astrological magazines often indulge in sensational predictions and

brilliant post-event analyses which feed the curiousity of their

astrologically interested readers. We should be content with their

educational value in throwing light on the astrological principles.

Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA (the gift of prophesy due

to which his predictions can come true). Anybody learning astrology

can interpret.... But predictive accuracy is a hard thing to acquire

which is obtained only by sincerity of motives and God's Grace

obtained through a flawless living. The predictive accuracy differs

widely from person to person.

Blessed be.

gy, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujis,

>

> I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in astrology

> books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a difficult

task

> once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind and is

> intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past event with

> 100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give predictions

as

> to the future events correctly.

>

> Blessings

>

> Renu

>

January 14, 2006

respected dakshinamoorti ji

you rightly observed in the first two paragraphs that if fate is

such a fixed structure, there is no room for remedies to change the

fate and that astrology can only indicate the and not change the

fate.

if you permit, i wish to strect your concluding observation that due

to vaak phalita of a noble astrolger the future predictions can be

made precisely.

sages are treated above par with gods and due to thier tapo shakti,

they have the power to completely alter the fate written by lord

brahma. countless vedic scriputres corroborate this. in the

present modern world, such sages are hardly found. however, even

today there are thousands of christian saints, muslim peers, jain

gurus, buddhish monks and hindu yogis who possess similar powers of

a sage to change the fate. one common feature of all these modern

sages is that they are all renounced people, detached from all

worldy things and their only aim is to serve the humans to their

best extent. there are hundreds of guruji maharaj in the north,

richest swamijis in the west and even richer swamijis or babas in

the south. all their disciples treat their respective guru as kalki

avtaar or god reincarnate of this kaliyuga. the collective

following of all these gods is in several crores.

a level close to these modern sages is noble astrologers like

dakshinamoorti ji. in my own experience, i have been striving to

relive the suffering of the natives from various sufferings not by

showing my astrological prowess but by saying simple few lines about

the native's fate and suggestion of simple, inhouse yet highly

efficacious remedies to change their fate. for those busy people

who cannot find time to do these remedies, remedies through holy

objects, gems and other ways are advised to get relief from their

sufferings.

with due respect to all seasoned astrologers, i believe that an

astrologer's job is half-done if he is able only to make precise

predictions akin to a doctor doing precise diagnosis whose job is

complete after prescription of medicines.

i pay my tributes to Pandit Roop Chand Joshiji whose Lalkitab gave

me an understanding of how to turn the malefics into benefics. Even

though the predictive systmem of lalkitab strays from the vedic

astrology, the remedies are for the same planets and get same

results as through any other propitiation.

with best wishes

arjun

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji:

>

> You are quite right! There is a saying:

>

> "Those who know astrology can only indicate in a way what will

take

> place in future. Who else, except the Creator Brahma, can say

with

> certainty what will definitely happen?"

>

> Astrology is not designed to be an ABSOLUTE subject. If Fate is

such

> fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything is

> prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere to

> Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

there

> should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?

>

> On the contrary, planets impel... they do not compel....We are

> presented with circumstances that are compatible with our karma;

the

> choices that we make regarding our actions in those circumstances

> cause alterations in the course of our fate.

>

> Minor events in life will always be subject to changed influences

> arising out of karma accumulated in this birth. But, an expert

> astrologer should be able to predict the broad outlines with a

> respectable degree of accuracy. For instance, the horoscopes of

Great

> Leaders, intellectuals, spiritual Heads or Heads of State will

> definitely show such high promise. In the case of other persons,

the

> role of astrologer is not to predict the course but to suggest the

> best possible course, as the natal influences can be modified to

some

> extent with appropriate choices and remedies.

>

> Magazines are designed to generate interest among the readers and

> journalistic considerations rather than astrological ethics govern

> most journals as far as my experience with them indicates. Most

> astrological magazines often indulge in sensational predictions

and

> brilliant post-event analyses which feed the curiousity of their

> astrologically interested readers. We should be content with

their

> educational value in throwing light on the astrological principles.

>

> Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA (the gift of prophesy

due

> to which his predictions can come true). Anybody learning

astrology

> can interpret.... But predictive accuracy is a hard thing to

acquire

> which is obtained only by sincerity of motives and God's Grace

> obtained through a flawless living. The predictive accuracy

differs

> widely from person to person.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> gy, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in

astrology

> > books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a

difficult

> task

> > once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind and

is

> > intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past event

with

> > 100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give

predictions

> as

> > to the future events correctly.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

January 14, 2006

Dear Dakshnamoorthi ji,

Thanks for the knowledge shared. I share almost the same view.

Thanks.

What is your openion about Drida - Adrida phala variation. It is

said that the phala that is indicated by Yoga-Desa-Gochara (3 of

them together) is drida phala and that it is sure to happen. I have

also heard "Avasyam anubhavokthavyam dridam karma subhasubham..."

etc. (thogh it is slightly out of context here). Now Adrida karma is

one indicated by Yoga-Desa, Desa-Gochra, Yoga-Gochara combinations,

or by Yoga, Desa, Gochara alone. These phalas may or may not happen.

That is, they can be changed by following proper remedies. I find

this acceptable.

You said:

> Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA

>(the gift of prophesy due to which his predictions can come true).

I agree, but would like to add that, if with proper study anybody

has improved his logic and intuition and dedicates himself to the

subject under scrutiny, the holistic approach and Vak-sidhi is sure

to follow.

As per your def, it seems that,

Accurate Predictions are horoscope interpretations that will come

true. (?)

There could be hundreds of interpretation of a single simple thing.

And many predictions which may or may not come true. But there could

be only a few accurate predictions. Yes, all accurate predictions

depend upon some kind of interpretation, but all interpretations CAN

NOT be an accurate prediction!!!

Am I getting your point correctly?!

BTW: A curious thing comes to mind. Consider the placement of Su in

Li. In Skanda hora it is said that he would be a "Soundika". Now

came the chance of Daksha Prajapathi to interpret this word (In

Brihat prajapathyam). The word "Sunda" has got 2 meanings - 1.

Liquor and 2.Trunk of an elephant. Thus soundika could be one who

makes liquor or an elephant driver!!! It is not possible that all

drunkards are elephant drivers, or that all elephant drivers are

drunkards!!! He got confused and said that both of them are

possibilities!! The same has crept into Varaha hora as well. Now in

this modern age we interpret Elephant (a big vehicle of ancient

period) driver, as driver of any big vehicle, and 'one who makes

liquor as anybody who is doing a job related to liquor, or he

himself a drunkard!!! It is not possible that all of these

interpretations are correct!! Which of them is correct?!! It is

pitfall interpretations lead us to, and it is from this pitfall that

real experience in accurate prediction helps us.

I hope that Dakshinamoorthi ji will add his valuable comment to

this "Soundika" story.

Love,

Sreenadh

Love,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji:

>

> You are quite right! There is a saying:

>

> "Those who know astrology can only indicate in a way what will

take

> place in future. Who else, except the Creator Brahma, can say

with

> certainty what will definitely happen?"

>

> Astrology is not designed to be an ABSOLUTE subject. If Fate is

such

> fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything is

> prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere to

> Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

there

> should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?

>

> On the contrary, planets impel... they do not compel....We are

> presented with circumstances that are compatible with our karma;

the

> choices that we make regarding our actions in those circumstances

> cause alterations in the course of our fate.

>

> Minor events in life will always be subject to changed influences

> arising out of karma accumulated in this birth. But, an expert

> astrologer should be able to predict the broad outlines with a

> respectable degree of accuracy. For instance, the horoscopes of

Great

> Leaders, intellectuals, spiritual Heads or Heads of State will

> definitely show such high promise. In the case of other persons,

the

> role of astrologer is not to predict the course but to suggest the

> best possible course, as the natal influences can be modified to

some

> extent with appropriate choices and remedies.

>

> Magazines are designed to generate interest among the readers and

> journalistic considerations rather than astrological ethics govern

> most journals as far as my experience with them indicates. Most

> astrological magazines often indulge in sensational predictions

and

> brilliant post-event analyses which feed the curiousity of their

> astrologically interested readers. We should be content with

their

> educational value in throwing light on the astrological principles.

>

> Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA (the gift of prophesy

due

> to which his predictions can come true). Anybody learning

astrology

> can interpret.... But predictive accuracy is a hard thing to

acquire

> which is obtained only by sincerity of motives and God's Grace

> obtained through a flawless living. The predictive accuracy

differs

> widely from person to person.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> gy, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in

astrology

> > books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a

difficult

> task

> > once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind and

is

> > intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past event

with

> > 100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give

predictions

> as

> > to the future events correctly.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

January 15, 2006

Dear Shri. Sreenadh:

Yes, Dhrida phala arising out of simulataneous coincidence of yoga

period, Dasa and Gochara will be the one that can definitely happen.

Even if one of the three vital factors is not in support of the event,

then the possibiities of the realization in actual experience are

reduced. However, with appropriate remedies or mantrik measures, we

can work out to reduce the ills and maximise the beneficial results.

If two experts with vaak siddhi predict diagnoally opposite results

for the same combination, then the predictions of the astrologer who

has more spiritual power among the two will definitely come true.

Ofcourse, as you mentioned earlier, vaak siddhi can be obtained by

systematic study of this subject combined with an ethical approach to

its practise. It is akin to one of the two opposing lawyers winning a

point over the same legal issue. Both may be learned, and only one's

interpretation is favoured by the judge which decides which party

wins. In astrology also something similar to this happens! Maybe, my

example is crude and does not convey the full import of my thought

stream.....

Regarding "Soundika", I am of the view that the person with Sun in

Libra will be a good controller of elephants (not necessarily a

mahout). I for one is such a person who enjoys excellent rapport with

elephants! I have had the experience of being approached by an

elephant in mast..... which to the surprise of everyone around seemed

to lose its aggression on nearing me and instead walked away tamely.

This has happened on atleast 3 different occasions in my life.

Regarding "Soundika" being associated with liquor consumption/

dealing....as a man steeped in vedic and samayachara traditions, I am

miles away from any association with liquor even for ceremonial

purposes! I have never consumed alcoholic drinks even when I was a

gazetted officer with the Indian Coast Guard. As to the

interpretation that elephant can in modern times be interpreted to be

a big vehicle, maybe ship is a big vehicle......

Elephant is an animal with certain mystic potentials of its own. So,

comparing an elephant with a lifeless vehicle which just shares the

common quality of "huge" somehow does not appeal to me!

All interpretations cannot be predictions. But, all predictions are

nothing but intelligent and relevant interpretations. Even persons who

just give out predictions based on intuition have their own

subconscious reasons for saying so even if they are not following

astrological dictates.

Blessed be.

in avedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid> wrote:

>

> Dear Dakshnamoorthi ji,

> Thanks for the knowledge shared. I share almost the same view.

> Thanks.

> What is your openion about Drida - Adrida phala variation. It is

> said that the phala that is indicated by Yoga-Desa-Gochara (3 of

> them together) is drida phala and that it is sure to happen. I have

> also heard "Avasyam anubhavokthavyam dridam karma subhasubham..."

> etc. (thogh it is slightly out of context here). Now Adrida karma is

> one indicated by Yoga-Desa, Desa-Gochra, Yoga-Gochara combinations,

> or by Yoga, Desa, Gochara alone. These phalas may or may not happen.

> That is, they can be changed by following proper remedies. I find

> this acceptable.

> You said:

> > Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA

> >(the gift of prophesy due to which his predictions can come true).

> I agree, but would like to add that, if with proper study anybody

> has improved his logic and intuition and dedicates himself to the

> subject under scrutiny, the holistic approach and Vak-sidhi is sure

> to follow.

> As per your def, it seems that,

> Accurate Predictions are horoscope interpretations that will come

> true. (?)

> There could be hundreds of interpretation of a single simple thing.

> And many predictions which may or may not come true. But there could

> be only a few accurate predictions. Yes, all accurate predictions

> depend upon some kind of interpretation, but all interpretations CAN

> NOT be an accurate prediction!!!

> Am I getting your point correctly?!

> BTW: A curious thing comes to mind. Consider the placement of Su in

> Li. In Skanda hora it is said that he would be a "Soundika". Now

> came the chance of Daksha Prajapathi to interpret this word (In

> Brihat prajapathyam). The word "Sunda" has got 2 meanings - 1.

> Liquor and 2.Trunk of an elephant. Thus soundika could be one who

> makes liquor or an elephant driver!!! It is not possible that all

> drunkards are elephant drivers, or that all elephant drivers are

> drunkards!!! He got confused and said that both of them are

> possibilities!! The same has crept into Varaha hora as well. Now in

> this modern age we interpret Elephant (a big vehicle of ancient

> period) driver, as driver of any big vehicle, and 'one who makes

> liquor as anybody who is doing a job related to liquor, or he

> himself a drunkard!!! It is not possible that all of these

> interpretations are correct!! Which of them is correct?!! It is

> pitfall interpretations lead us to, and it is from this pitfall that

> real experience in accurate prediction helps us.

> I hope that Dakshinamoorthi ji will add his valuable comment to

> this "Soundika" story.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renuji:

> >

> > You are quite right! There is a saying:

> >

> > "Those who know astrology can only indicate in a way what will

> take

> > place in future. Who else, except the Creator Brahma, can say

> with

> > certainty what will definitely happen?"

> >

> > Astrology is not designed to be an ABSOLUTE subject. If Fate is

> such

> > fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything is

> > prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere to

> > Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

> there

> > should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> > committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?

> >

> > On the contrary, planets impel... they do not compel....We are

> > presented with circumstances that are compatible with our karma;

> the

> > choices that we make regarding our actions in those circumstances

> > cause alterations in the course of our fate.

> >

> > Minor events in life will always be subject to changed influences

> > arising out of karma accumulated in this birth. But, an expert

> > astrologer should be able to predict the broad outlines with a

> > respectable degree of accuracy. For instance, the horoscopes of

> Great

> > Leaders, intellectuals, spiritual Heads or Heads of State will

> > definitely show such high promise. In the case of other persons,

> the

> > role of astrologer is not to predict the course but to suggest the

> > best possible course, as the natal influences can be modified to

> some

> > extent with appropriate choices and remedies.

> >

> > Magazines are designed to generate interest among the readers and

> > journalistic considerations rather than astrological ethics govern

> > most journals as far as my experience with them indicates. Most

> > astrological magazines often indulge in sensational predictions

> and

> > brilliant post-event analyses which feed the curiousity of their

> > astrologically interested readers. We should be content with

> their

> > educational value in throwing light on the astrological

principles.

> >

> > Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA (the gift of prophesy

> due

> > to which his predictions can come true). Anybody learning

> astrology

> > can interpret.... But predictive accuracy is a hard thing to

> acquire

> > which is obtained only by sincerity of motives and God's Grace

> > obtained through a flawless living. The predictive accuracy

> differs

> > widely from person to person.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

> > gy, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujis,

> > >

> > > I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in

> astrology

> > > books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a

> difficult

> > task

> > > once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind and

> is

> > > intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past event

> with

> > > 100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give

> predictions

> > as

> > > to the future events correctly.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> >

>

January 15, 2006

Dear Dakshinamoorthiji

Thank you very much Sir, and I do not challenge your evolved

knowledge. Sir, this is confusing. Why do you say that Fate is not a

fixed structure? As a Buddhist we learn that there is a 'cause' for

everything that occurs in one's life. This is 'karma' good/bad which

we have accumilated from out past births. I believe there's hardly

any difference between Hinduism and Buddhism. And as you say certain

minor bad 'karmas' could be avoided if we lead a good life at present.

"If Fate is such

> fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything is

> prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere to

> Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

there

> should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?"

Sir, I feel that Fate is fixed, but not known to us, on the basis of

our past deeds and that it self shows that we are responsible for our

own actions good/bad. It is also our responsiblity to realize our

past mistakes and thereby learn a lesson and evolve ourselves step by

step towards spirituality or attain 'nibbana' as Lord Budddha

preached or reach the highest ordination depending on one's religion.

Our birth takes place at a certain time, at a certain place as a

result of our past sins and merits. Thus isn't it sort of prewritten?

Anyway I totally agree with you regarding the astrological aspect of

it and you have cleared my vision, no doubt. Future is the most

uncertain thing and no wonder human mind try to find consolation in

astrology in times of trouble. The mere 'hope' given by a learned

astrologer at such times is like a divine blessing to the troubled

mind.

I read and read and find it so difficult to come to a absoloutely

clear conclusion. I thought I had not grasped the subject properly [

I do know I have estremely little knowledge on this subject], and

wonder why I cannot give a correct analysis. When my friends ask a

question and when I cannot give the exact answer I feel I a not

competent enough to study astrology. I do not want to give a wrong

answer. Well, Sir, you have taken a load off my soulder and thank you

very much once again.

Blessings

Renu

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji:

>

> You are quite right! There is a saying:

>

> "Those who know astrology can only indicate in a way what will take

> place in future. Who else, except the Creator Brahma, can say with

> certainty what will definitely happen?"

>

> Astrology is not designed to be an ABSOLUTE subject. If Fate is

such

> fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything is

> prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere to

> Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

there

> should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?

>

> On the contrary, planets impel... they do not compel....We are

> presented with circumstances that are compatible with our karma;

the

> choices that we make regarding our actions in those circumstances

> cause alterations in the course of our fate.

>

> Minor events in life will always be subject to changed influences

> arising out of karma accumulated in this birth. But, an expert

> astrologer should be able to predict the broad outlines with a

> respectable degree of accuracy. For instance, the horoscopes of

Great

> Leaders, intellectuals, spiritual Heads or Heads of State will

> definitely show such high promise. In the case of other persons,

the

> role of astrologer is not to predict the course but to suggest the

> best possible course, as the natal influences can be modified to

some

> extent with appropriate choices and remedies.

>

> Magazines are designed to generate interest among the readers and

> journalistic considerations rather than astrological ethics govern

> most journals as far as my experience with them indicates. Most

> astrological magazines often indulge in sensational predictions and

> brilliant post-event analyses which feed the curiousity of their

> astrologically interested readers. We should be content with their

> educational value in throwing light on the astrological principles.

>

> Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA (the gift of prophesy

due

> to which his predictions can come true). Anybody learning

astrology

> can interpret.... But predictive accuracy is a hard thing to

acquire

> which is obtained only by sincerity of motives and God's Grace

> obtained through a flawless living. The predictive accuracy

differs

> widely from person to person.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> gy, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in

astrology

> > books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a

difficult

> task

> > once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind and

is

> > intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past event

with

> > 100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give

predictions

> as

> > to the future events correctly.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

January 15, 2006

Dear Dakshinamoorthiji,

Animals do have very good sense of compassion. Your experience with

the elephant reminds me of a somewhat similar incident in the

Buddhist history, that of Nalagiri Hasthi Rajaya, intoxicated, and

sent to kill Lord Buddha by Devadatta, and how the Great Tusker knelt

down in front of the Buddha, tamed by His utmost compassion!

Blessings

Renu

Blessings

Renu

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Sreenadh:

>

> Yes, Dhrida phala arising out of simulataneous coincidence of yoga

> period, Dasa and Gochara will be the one that can definitely

happen.

> Even if one of the three vital factors is not in support of the

event,

> then the possibiities of the realization in actual experience are

> reduced. However, with appropriate remedies or mantrik measures,

we

> can work out to reduce the ills and maximise the beneficial results.

>

> If two experts with vaak siddhi predict diagnoally opposite results

> for the same combination, then the predictions of the astrologer

who

> has more spiritual power among the two will definitely come true.

> Ofcourse, as you mentioned earlier, vaak siddhi can be obtained by

> systematic study of this subject combined with an ethical approach

to

> its practise. It is akin to one of the two opposing lawyers

winning a

> point over the same legal issue. Both may be learned, and only

one's

> interpretation is favoured by the judge which decides which party

> wins. In astrology also something similar to this happens! Maybe,

my

> example is crude and does not convey the full import of my thought

> stream.....

>

> Regarding "Soundika", I am of the view that the person with Sun in

> Libra will be a good controller of elephants (not necessarily a

> mahout). I for one is such a person who enjoys excellent rapport

with

> elephants! I have had the experience of being approached by an

> elephant in mast..... which to the surprise of everyone around

seemed

> to lose its aggression on nearing me and instead walked away

tamely.

> This has happened on atleast 3 different occasions in my life.

>

> Regarding "Soundika" being associated with liquor consumption/

> dealing....as a man steeped in vedic and samayachara traditions, I

am

> miles away from any association with liquor even for ceremonial

> purposes! I have never consumed alcoholic drinks even when I was a

> gazetted officer with the Indian Coast Guard. As to the

> interpretation that elephant can in modern times be interpreted to

be

> a big vehicle, maybe ship is a big vehicle......

>

> Elephant is an animal with certain mystic potentials of its own.

So,

> comparing an elephant with a lifeless vehicle which just shares the

> common quality of "huge" somehow does not appeal to me!

>

> All interpretations cannot be predictions. But, all predictions

are

> nothing but intelligent and relevant interpretations. Even persons

who

> just give out predictions based on intuition have their own

> subconscious reasons for saying so even if they are not following

> astrological dictates.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> in avedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dakshnamoorthi ji,

> > Thanks for the knowledge shared. I share almost the same view.

> > Thanks.

> > What is your openion about Drida - Adrida phala variation. It is

> > said that the phala that is indicated by Yoga-Desa-Gochara (3 of

> > them together) is drida phala and that it is sure to happen. I

have

> > also heard "Avasyam anubhavokthavyam dridam karma subhasubham..."

> > etc. (thogh it is slightly out of context here). Now Adrida karma

is

> > one indicated by Yoga-Desa, Desa-Gochra, Yoga-Gochara

combinations,

> > or by Yoga, Desa, Gochara alone. These phalas may or may not

happen.

> > That is, they can be changed by following proper remedies. I find

> > this acceptable.

> > You said:

> > > Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA

> > >(the gift of prophesy due to which his predictions can come

true).

> > I agree, but would like to add that, if with proper study

anybody

> > has improved his logic and intuition and dedicates himself to the

> > subject under scrutiny, the holistic approach and Vak-sidhi is

sure

> > to follow.

> > As per your def, it seems that,

> > Accurate Predictions are horoscope interpretations that will

come

> > true. (?)

> > There could be hundreds of interpretation of a single simple

thing.

> > And many predictions which may or may not come true. But there

could

> > be only a few accurate predictions. Yes, all accurate predictions

> > depend upon some kind of interpretation, but all interpretations

CAN

> > NOT be an accurate prediction!!!

> > Am I getting your point correctly?!

> > BTW: A curious thing comes to mind. Consider the placement of Su

in

> > Li. In Skanda hora it is said that he would be a "Soundika". Now

> > came the chance of Daksha Prajapathi to interpret this word (In

> > Brihat prajapathyam). The word "Sunda" has got 2 meanings - 1.

> > Liquor and 2.Trunk of an elephant. Thus soundika could be one who

> > makes liquor or an elephant driver!!! It is not possible that all

> > drunkards are elephant drivers, or that all elephant drivers are

> > drunkards!!! He got confused and said that both of them are

> > possibilities!! The same has crept into Varaha hora as well. Now

in

> > this modern age we interpret Elephant (a big vehicle of ancient

> > period) driver, as driver of any big vehicle, and 'one who makes

> > liquor as anybody who is doing a job related to liquor, or he

> > himself a drunkard!!! It is not possible that all of these

> > interpretations are correct!! Which of them is correct?!! It is

> > pitfall interpretations lead us to, and it is from this pitfall

that

> > real experience in accurate prediction helps us.

> > I hope that Dakshinamoorthi ji will add his valuable comment to

> > this "Soundika" story.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji:

> > >

> > > You are quite right! There is a saying:

> > >

> > > "Those who know astrology can only indicate in a way what will

> > take

> > > place in future. Who else, except the Creator Brahma, can say

> > with

> > > certainty what will definitely happen?"

> > >

> > > Astrology is not designed to be an ABSOLUTE subject. If Fate

is

> > such

> > > fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything

is

> > > prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere

to

> > > Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

> > there

> > > should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> > > committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?

> > >

> > > On the contrary, planets impel... they do not compel....We are

> > > presented with circumstances that are compatible with our

karma;

> > the

> > > choices that we make regarding our actions in those

circumstances

> > > cause alterations in the course of our fate.

> > >

> > > Minor events in life will always be subject to changed

influences

> > > arising out of karma accumulated in this birth. But, an expert

> > > astrologer should be able to predict the broad outlines with a

> > > respectable degree of accuracy. For instance, the horoscopes

of

> > Great

> > > Leaders, intellectuals, spiritual Heads or Heads of State will

> > > definitely show such high promise. In the case of other

persons,

> > the

> > > role of astrologer is not to predict the course but to suggest

the

> > > best possible course, as the natal influences can be modified

to

> > some

> > > extent with appropriate choices and remedies.

> > >

> > > Magazines are designed to generate interest among the readers

and

> > > journalistic considerations rather than astrological ethics

govern

> > > most journals as far as my experience with them indicates.

Most

> > > astrological magazines often indulge in sensational predictions

> > and

> > > brilliant post-event analyses which feed the curiousity of

their

> > > astrologically interested readers. We should be content with

> > their

> > > educational value in throwing light on the astrological

> principles.

> > >

> > > Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA (the gift of

prophesy

> > due

> > > to which his predictions can come true). Anybody learning

> > astrology

> > > can interpret.... But predictive accuracy is a hard thing to

> > acquire

> > > which is obtained only by sincerity of motives and God's Grace

> > > obtained through a flawless living. The predictive accuracy

> > differs

> > > widely from person to person.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > gy, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurujis,

> > > >

> > > > I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in

> > astrology

> > > > books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a

> > difficult

> > > task

> > > > once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind

and

> > is

> > > > intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past

event

> > with

> > > > 100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give

> > predictions

> > > as

> > > > to the future events correctly.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 15, 2006

dear friend renuji

even though your query was addressed to respected dakshinamoorthyji,

the question of fixed fate especially future and how far we can

change haunts every person till he or she is realised (self

realisation). i too faced this query myself hundred times before

realisation.

let me give you this simple example. all prisoners who are facing

punishment for various kinds of offences or crimes in various jails

are given a sentence of one, two or 14 years imprisonment. so they

are fully aware of the FIXED punishment period they shall undergo.

if a prisoner accpets this fact and live like a static rock without

any change, he would complete his full sentence as per the FIXED

FATE. if he thinks he can do and undo things on his own and escape

from the prison, chances are he may be get caught only to find his

sentence period getting increased. if the prisoner indulge in wrong

deeds and hurt others (para peedanam) then he is subjected to

further punishment by removing from the group to solitary confiement

and then consigning him to a dungeon etc. however, if a person

keeps faith in god and believes that by doing good deeds and goes

extra mile in becoming a better person and do better deeds, he would

be released from the prison soonest. as you may be aware,

governors, presidents and kings have the special power which they

exercise every year (in all countries) to free thousands of

prisoners because of their good behaviour.

hope the above clarifies.

with best wishes

arjun

vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

>

> Dear Dakshinamoorthiji

>

> Thank you very much Sir, and I do not challenge your evolved

> knowledge. Sir, this is confusing. Why do you say that Fate is not

a

> fixed structure? As a Buddhist we learn that there is a 'cause'

for

> everything that occurs in one's life. This is 'karma' good/bad

which

> we have accumilated from out past births. I believe there's hardly

> any difference between Hinduism and Buddhism. And as you say

certain

> minor bad 'karmas' could be avoided if we lead a good life at

present.

>

> "If Fate is such

> > fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything

is

> > prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere

to

> > Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

> there

> > should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> > committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?"

>

> Sir, I feel that Fate is fixed, but not known to us, on the basis

of

> our past deeds and that it self shows that we are responsible for

our

> own actions good/bad. It is also our responsiblity to realize our

> past mistakes and thereby learn a lesson and evolve ourselves step

by

> step towards spirituality or attain 'nibbana' as Lord Budddha

> preached or reach the highest ordination depending on one's

religion.

> Our birth takes place at a certain time, at a certain place as a

> result of our past sins and merits. Thus isn't it sort of

prewritten?

>

> Anyway I totally agree with you regarding the astrological aspect

of

> it and you have cleared my vision, no doubt. Future is the most

> uncertain thing and no wonder human mind try to find consolation

in

> astrology in times of trouble. The mere 'hope' given by a learned

> astrologer at such times is like a divine blessing to the troubled

> mind.

>

> I read and read and find it so difficult to come to a absoloutely

> clear conclusion. I thought I had not grasped the subject properly

[

> I do know I have estremely little knowledge on this subject], and

> wonder why I cannot give a correct analysis. When my friends ask a

> question and when I cannot give the exact answer I feel I a not

> competent enough to study astrology. I do not want to give a wrong

> answer. Well, Sir, you have taken a load off my soulder and thank

you

> very much once again.

>

> Blessings

>

> Renu

>

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renuji:

> >

> > You are quite right! There is a saying:

> >

> > "Those who know astrology can only indicate in a way what will

take

> > place in future. Who else, except the Creator Brahma, can say

with

> > certainty what will definitely happen?"

> >

> > Astrology is not designed to be an ABSOLUTE subject. If Fate is

> such

> > fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything

is

> > prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere

to

> > Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

> there

> > should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> > committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?

> >

> > On the contrary, planets impel... they do not compel....We are

> > presented with circumstances that are compatible with our karma;

> the

> > choices that we make regarding our actions in those

circumstances

> > cause alterations in the course of our fate.

> >

> > Minor events in life will always be subject to changed

influences

> > arising out of karma accumulated in this birth. But, an expert

> > astrologer should be able to predict the broad outlines with a

> > respectable degree of accuracy. For instance, the horoscopes of

> Great

> > Leaders, intellectuals, spiritual Heads or Heads of State will

> > definitely show such high promise. In the case of other

persons,

> the

> > role of astrologer is not to predict the course but to suggest

the

> > best possible course, as the natal influences can be modified to

> some

> > extent with appropriate choices and remedies.

> >

> > Magazines are designed to generate interest among the readers

and

> > journalistic considerations rather than astrological ethics

govern

> > most journals as far as my experience with them indicates. Most

> > astrological magazines often indulge in sensational predictions

and

> > brilliant post-event analyses which feed the curiousity of their

> > astrologically interested readers. We should be content with

their

> > educational value in throwing light on the astrological

principles.

> >

> > Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA (the gift of

prophesy

> due

> > to which his predictions can come true). Anybody learning

> astrology

> > can interpret.... But predictive accuracy is a hard thing to

> acquire

> > which is obtained only by sincerity of motives and God's Grace

> > obtained through a flawless living. The predictive accuracy

> differs

> > widely from person to person.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

> > gy, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujis,

> > >

> > > I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in

> astrology

> > > books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a

> difficult

> > task

> > > once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind

and

> is

> > > intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past

event

> with

> > > 100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give

> predictions

> > as

> > > to the future events correctly.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> >

>

January 15, 2006

Dear Shri. Arjun:

Your reply was most appropriate! Infact, I also always give the same

example of Prison term and remission of sentences due to good conduct

to explain the dynamic nature of Fate.

Blessed be.

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear friend renuji

>

> even though your query was addressed to respected dakshinamoorthyji,

> the question of fixed fate especially future and how far we can

> change haunts every person till he or she is realised (self

> realisation). i too faced this query myself hundred times before

> realisation.

>

> let me give you this simple example. all prisoners who are facing

> punishment for various kinds of offences or crimes in various jails

> are given a sentence of one, two or 14 years imprisonment. so they

> are fully aware of the FIXED punishment period they shall undergo.

> if a prisoner accpets this fact and live like a static rock without

> any change, he would complete his full sentence as per the FIXED

> FATE. if he thinks he can do and undo things on his own and escape

> from the prison, chances are he may be get caught only to find his

> sentence period getting increased. if the prisoner indulge in wrong

> deeds and hurt others (para peedanam) then he is subjected to

> further punishment by removing from the group to solitary confiement

> and then consigning him to a dungeon etc. however, if a person

> keeps faith in god and believes that by doing good deeds and goes

> extra mile in becoming a better person and do better deeds, he would

> be released from the prison soonest. as you may be aware,

> governors, presidents and kings have the special power which they

> exercise every year (in all countries) to free thousands of

> prisoners because of their good behaviour.

>

> hope the above clarifies.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dakshinamoorthiji

> >

> > Thank you very much Sir, and I do not challenge your evolved

> > knowledge. Sir, this is confusing. Why do you say that Fate is not

> a

> > fixed structure? As a Buddhist we learn that there is a 'cause'

> for

> > everything that occurs in one's life. This is 'karma' good/bad

> which

> > we have accumilated from out past births. I believe there's hardly

> > any difference between Hinduism and Buddhism. And as you say

> certain

> > minor bad 'karmas' could be avoided if we lead a good life at

> present.

> >

> > "If Fate is such

> > > fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything

> is

> > > prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere

> to

> > > Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

> > there

> > > should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> > > committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?"

> >

> > Sir, I feel that Fate is fixed, but not known to us, on the basis

> of

> > our past deeds and that it self shows that we are responsible for

> our

> > own actions good/bad. It is also our responsiblity to realize our

> > past mistakes and thereby learn a lesson and evolve ourselves step

> by

> > step towards spirituality or attain 'nibbana' as Lord Budddha

> > preached or reach the highest ordination depending on one's

> religion.

> > Our birth takes place at a certain time, at a certain place as a

> > result of our past sins and merits. Thus isn't it sort of

> prewritten?

> >

> > Anyway I totally agree with you regarding the astrological aspect

> of

> > it and you have cleared my vision, no doubt. Future is the most

> > uncertain thing and no wonder human mind try to find consolation

> in

> > astrology in times of trouble. The mere 'hope' given by a learned

> > astrologer at such times is like a divine blessing to the troubled

> > mind.

> >

> > I read and read and find it so difficult to come to a absoloutely

> > clear conclusion. I thought I had not grasped the subject properly

> [

> > I do know I have estremely little knowledge on this subject], and

> > wonder why I cannot give a correct analysis. When my friends ask a

> > question and when I cannot give the exact answer I feel I a not

> > competent enough to study astrology. I do not want to give a wrong

> > answer. Well, Sir, you have taken a load off my soulder and thank

> you

> > very much once again.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji:

> > >

> > > You are quite right! There is a saying:

> > >

> > > "Those who know astrology can only indicate in a way what will

> take

> > > place in future. Who else, except the Creator Brahma, can say

> with

> > > certainty what will definitely happen?"

> > >

> > > Astrology is not designed to be an ABSOLUTE subject. If Fate is

> > such

> > > fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If everything

> is

> > > prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere

> to

> > > Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

> > there

> > > should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who is

> > > committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?

> > >

> > > On the contrary, planets impel... they do not compel....We are

> > > presented with circumstances that are compatible with our karma;

> > the

> > > choices that we make regarding our actions in those

> circumstances

> > > cause alterations in the course of our fate.

> > >

> > > Minor events in life will always be subject to changed

> influences

> > > arising out of karma accumulated in this birth. But, an expert

> > > astrologer should be able to predict the broad outlines with a

> > > respectable degree of accuracy. For instance, the horoscopes of

> > Great

> > > Leaders, intellectuals, spiritual Heads or Heads of State will

> > > definitely show such high promise. In the case of other

> persons,

> > the

> > > role of astrologer is not to predict the course but to suggest

> the

> > > best possible course, as the natal influences can be modified to

> > some

> > > extent with appropriate choices and remedies.

> > >

> > > Magazines are designed to generate interest among the readers

> and

> > > journalistic considerations rather than astrological ethics

> govern

> > > most journals as far as my experience with them indicates. Most

> > > astrological magazines often indulge in sensational predictions

> and

> > > brilliant post-event analyses which feed the curiousity of their

> > > astrologically interested readers. We should be content with

> their

> > > educational value in throwing light on the astrological

> principles.

> > >

> > > Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA (the gift of

> prophesy

> > due

> > > to which his predictions can come true). Anybody learning

> > astrology

> > > can interpret.... But predictive accuracy is a hard thing to

> > acquire

> > > which is obtained only by sincerity of motives and God's Grace

> > > obtained through a flawless living. The predictive accuracy

> > differs

> > > widely from person to person.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > gy, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurujis,

> > > >

> > > > I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in

> > astrology

> > > > books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a

> > difficult

> > > task

> > > > once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind

> and

> > is

> > > > intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past

> event

> > with

> > > > 100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give

> > predictions

> > > as

> > > > to the future events correctly.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 15, 2006

Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji,

I don't agree!!! There is nothing good or bad!! It is the association

of once mind that makes a karma good or bad, not the karma in itself.

That is why Krishna asked Arjuna to do the battle. That is why the

carnivores animals eat the flush of animals, that is why cores of

microcosm are consumed even when we breath!! It is the dharma

(original inner nature)- of animal, plant, or rock- that is important.

One should follow his dharma (orinal inner nature). Geetha advice us

to follow "Swadharma". Yes, I know the sloka that says "Paropakara

Punyaya, Papaya para peedanam", but would like to add that, it is the

association of mind that makes something papa or punya. It is a

general statement, and in the deeper sense there is no papa and no

puna. The path for the seeker of truth is "Punyapunya vivarjitha

pandha' (The path that is away from punya or papa) puts it. I remember

once you yourself pointing to this concept.

Being detached means leaving Truth and sin, leaving punya and papa,

leaving Haven and Hell, leaving any kind of habits, - yes but still

being "here and now" enjoying each moment..........

The enjoyment books cannot teach us, the enjoyment the soul only

knows.....where time does not exists............

Sorry...If I interepted your thought flow.........

Love,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Arjun:

>

> Your reply was most appropriate! Infact, I also always give the

same

> example of Prison term and remission of sentences due to good

conduct

> to explain the dynamic nature of Fate.

>

> Blessed be.

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend renuji

> >

> > even though your query was addressed to respected

dakshinamoorthyji,

> > the question of fixed fate especially future and how far we can

> > change haunts every person till he or she is realised (self

> > realisation). i too faced this query myself hundred times before

> > realisation.

> >

> > let me give you this simple example. all prisoners who are facing

> > punishment for various kinds of offences or crimes in various

jails

> > are given a sentence of one, two or 14 years imprisonment. so

they

> > are fully aware of the FIXED punishment period they shall undergo.

> > if a prisoner accpets this fact and live like a static rock

without

> > any change, he would complete his full sentence as per the FIXED

> > FATE. if he thinks he can do and undo things on his own and

escape

> > from the prison, chances are he may be get caught only to find his

> > sentence period getting increased. if the prisoner indulge in

wrong

> > deeds and hurt others (para peedanam) then he is subjected to

> > further punishment by removing from the group to solitary

confiement

> > and then consigning him to a dungeon etc. however, if a person

> > keeps faith in god and believes that by doing good deeds and goes

> > extra mile in becoming a better person and do better deeds, he

would

> > be released from the prison soonest. as you may be aware,

> > governors, presidents and kings have the special power which they

> > exercise every year (in all countries) to free thousands of

> > prisoners because of their good behaviour.

> >

> > hope the above clarifies.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dakshinamoorthiji

> > >

> > > Thank you very much Sir, and I do not challenge your evolved

> > > knowledge. Sir, this is confusing. Why do you say that Fate is

not

> > a

> > > fixed structure? As a Buddhist we learn that there is a 'cause'

> > for

> > > everything that occurs in one's life. This is 'karma' good/bad

> > which

> > > we have accumilated from out past births. I believe there's

hardly

> > > any difference between Hinduism and Buddhism. And as you say

> > certain

> > > minor bad 'karmas' could be avoided if we lead a good life at

> > present.

> > >

> > > "If Fate is such

> > > > fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If

everything

> > is

> > > > prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere

> > to

> > > > Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

> > > there

> > > > should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who

is

> > > > committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?"

> > >

> > > Sir, I feel that Fate is fixed, but not known to us, on the

basis

> > of

> > > our past deeds and that it self shows that we are responsible

for

> > our

> > > own actions good/bad. It is also our responsiblity to realize

our

> > > past mistakes and thereby learn a lesson and evolve ourselves

step

> > by

> > > step towards spirituality or attain 'nibbana' as Lord Budddha

> > > preached or reach the highest ordination depending on one's

> > religion.

> > > Our birth takes place at a certain time, at a certain place as a

> > > result of our past sins and merits. Thus isn't it sort of

> > prewritten?

> > >

> > > Anyway I totally agree with you regarding the astrological

aspect

> > of

> > > it and you have cleared my vision, no doubt. Future is the most

> > > uncertain thing and no wonder human mind try to find consolation

> > in

> > > astrology in times of trouble. The mere 'hope' given by a

learned

> > > astrologer at such times is like a divine blessing to the

troubled

> > > mind.

> > >

> > > I read and read and find it so difficult to come to a

absoloutely

> > > clear conclusion. I thought I had not grasped the subject

properly

> > [

> > > I do know I have estremely little knowledge on this subject],

and

> > > wonder why I cannot give a correct analysis. When my friends ask

a

> > > question and when I cannot give the exact answer I feel I a not

> > > competent enough to study astrology. I do not want to give a

wrong

> > > answer. Well, Sir, you have taken a load off my soulder and

thank

> > you

> > > very much once again.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renuji:

> > > >

> > > > You are quite right! There is a saying:

> > > >

> > > > "Those who know astrology can only indicate in a way what will

> > take

> > > > place in future. Who else, except the Creator Brahma, can say

> > with

> > > > certainty what will definitely happen?"

> > > >

> > > > Astrology is not designed to be an ABSOLUTE subject. If Fate

is

> > > such

> > > > fixed structure, there is no scope for remedies; If

everything

> > is

> > > > prewritten, what is the incentive for a living being to adhere

> > to

> > > > Dharmic principles? If FAte is such a preordained thing, then

> > > there

> > > > should be no concept of Merit or Sin, because the person who

is

> > > > committing these acts is not responsible for it! Is it not?

> > > >

> > > > On the contrary, planets impel... they do not compel....We are

> > > > presented with circumstances that are compatible with our

karma;

> > > the

> > > > choices that we make regarding our actions in those

> > circumstances

> > > > cause alterations in the course of our fate.

> > > >

> > > > Minor events in life will always be subject to changed

> > influences

> > > > arising out of karma accumulated in this birth. But, an

expert

> > > > astrologer should be able to predict the broad outlines with a

> > > > respectable degree of accuracy. For instance, the horoscopes

of

> > > Great

> > > > Leaders, intellectuals, spiritual Heads or Heads of State will

> > > > definitely show such high promise. In the case of other

> > persons,

> > > the

> > > > role of astrologer is not to predict the course but to suggest

> > the

> > > > best possible course, as the natal influences can be modified

to

> > > some

> > > > extent with appropriate choices and remedies.

> > > >

> > > > Magazines are designed to generate interest among the readers

> > and

> > > > journalistic considerations rather than astrological ethics

> > govern

> > > > most journals as far as my experience with them indicates.

Most

> > > > astrological magazines often indulge in sensational

predictions

> > and

> > > > brilliant post-event analyses which feed the curiousity of

their

> > > > astrologically interested readers. We should be content with

> > their

> > > > educational value in throwing light on the astrological

> > principles.

> > > >

> > > > Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA (the gift of

> > prophesy

> > > due

> > > > to which his predictions can come true). Anybody learning

> > > astrology

> > > > can interpret.... But predictive accuracy is a hard thing to

> > > acquire

> > > > which is obtained only by sincerity of motives and God's Grace

> > > > obtained through a flawless living. The predictive accuracy

> > > differs

> > > > widely from person to person.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > > gy, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gurujis,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have come to the conclusion that mostly what I read in

> > > astrology

> > > > > books , articles etc. are interpretations. This is not a

> > > difficult

> > > > task

> > > > > once the past event is known. If one knows the theory behind

> > and

> > > is

> > > > > intelligent enough, one can interprit the cause of a past

> > event

> > > with

> > > > > 100% accuracy. But it is very sad that most fail to give

> > > predictions

> > > > as

> > > > > to the future events correctly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 15, 2006

Dear Dakshnamoorthi ji,

Thanks for all that knowledge. Everything well said.

Love,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Sreenadh:

>

> Yes, Dhrida phala arising out of simulataneous coincidence of yoga

> period, Dasa and Gochara will be the one that can definitely happen.

> Even if one of the three vital factors is not in support of the

event,

> then the possibiities of the realization in actual experience are

> reduced. However, with appropriate remedies or mantrik measures, we

> can work out to reduce the ills and maximise the beneficial results.

>

> If two experts with vaak siddhi predict diagnoally opposite results

> for the same combination, then the predictions of the astrologer who

> has more spiritual power among the two will definitely come true.

> Ofcourse, as you mentioned earlier, vaak siddhi can be obtained by

> systematic study of this subject combined with an ethical approach

to

> its practise. It is akin to one of the two opposing lawyers winning

a

> point over the same legal issue. Both may be learned, and only

one's

> interpretation is favoured by the judge which decides which party

> wins. In astrology also something similar to this happens! Maybe,

my

> example is crude and does not convey the full import of my thought

> stream.....

>

> Regarding "Soundika", I am of the view that the person with Sun in

> Libra will be a good controller of elephants (not necessarily a

> mahout). I for one is such a person who enjoys excellent rapport

with

> elephants! I have had the experience of being approached by an

> elephant in mast..... which to the surprise of everyone around

seemed

> to lose its aggression on nearing me and instead walked away tamely.

> This has happened on atleast 3 different occasions in my life.

>

> Regarding "Soundika" being associated with liquor consumption/

> dealing....as a man steeped in vedic and samayachara traditions, I

am

> miles away from any association with liquor even for ceremonial

> purposes! I have never consumed alcoholic drinks even when I was a

> gazetted officer with the Indian Coast Guard. As to the

> interpretation that elephant can in modern times be interpreted to

be

> a big vehicle, maybe ship is a big vehicle......

>

> Elephant is an animal with certain mystic potentials of its own.

So,

> comparing an elephant with a lifeless vehicle which just shares the

> common quality of "huge" somehow does not appeal to me!

>

> All interpretations cannot be predictions. But, all predictions are

> nothing but intelligent and relevant interpretations. Even persons

who

> just give out predictions based on intuition have their own

> subconscious reasons for saying so even if they are not following

> astrological dictates.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> in avedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dakshnamoorthi ji,

> > Thanks for the knowledge shared. I share almost the same view.

> > Thanks.

> > What is your openion about Drida - Adrida phala variation. It is

> > said that the phala that is indicated by Yoga-Desa-Gochara (3 of

> > them together) is drida phala and that it is sure to happen. I

have

> > also heard "Avasyam anubhavokthavyam dridam karma subhasubham..."

> > etc. (thogh it is slightly out of context here). Now Adrida karma

is

> > one indicated by Yoga-Desa, Desa-Gochra, Yoga-Gochara

combinations,

> > or by Yoga, Desa, Gochara alone. These phalas may or may not

happen.

> > That is, they can be changed by following proper remedies. I find

> > this acceptable.

> > You said:

> > > Predictions come true ONLY WITH VAK-PHALITHA

> > >(the gift of prophesy due to which his predictions can come true

).

> > I agree, but would like to add that, if with proper study anybody

> > has improved his logic and intuition and dedicates himself to the

> > subject under scrutiny, the holistic approach and Vak-sidhi is

sure

> > to follow.

> > As per your def, it seems that,

> > Accurate Predictions are horoscope interpretations that will come