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with his critics and finding three genders in his critics and giving titles of

"idiot" etc. does not behove a noble astrologer and smack immaturity. such

things only cause more harm to your guruji which you must not afford. abraham

lincoln once said "truth is the best vindication against slander".please advise

whether jagatguru adi sankaracharya sri jayendra saraswati ji indulged in

badmouthing jayalalitha for his arrest.requesting and looking forward to your

continued service to the groups and with best wishes and regardsarjun--- In

vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi>

wrote:>> Dear Mohan ram,> > Not telling any excuses, for my mail.

If I am wrong, let > it be. I wrote what I felt. I just expressed the

awkwardness which I > felt when in a group

like this where everybody shares their knowledge > with great sincerity and

interest, without any expectation you were > trying to canvass people for your

guru (which appeared like > bargaining). > > I understand from Shri

Dakshinamoorthy's mails that he is a > learned person. And now I understand he

is a professional astrologer. > And so nothing wrong in getting paid for

teaching. But some > statements which Sir made, to me(I dont wish to pick up

them and > create an unending mail series, but this is the context for my >

reference) after clearing my doubts really made me think of the > attitude

different people have. The statement that sir thought I am > an expert and was

surprised at my basic doubts and then that sir > doesnt have time to spend to

clear basic doubts becuase I am a novice > made me feel that I have done a

great mistake in

taking his valuable > time. In fact I regretted asking doubts to him. Anybody

will feel bad > on hearing such statements. It was like "Oh If I knew you were

a > beginner, I wouldnt have replied". Lets leave that. I understand that > it

was my mistake to ask a doubt which was explained in all standard > texts. I

didnt knew people will actually take into account all these > things before

replying. (I had asked much sillier doubts earlier > (like what is a decanate

etc) and I remember people replied to me > without any prerequisites. So that

was my expectation from this > group. That I am free to ask any basic doubts

without any > inhibitions. But now I am a little careful. > > I dont have any

hatred towards your Guru. Though thinking I am an > expert, Sir had explained to

me the doubts I had asked very clearly. > I am grateful to him for that.

But I feel, you do not have to > occasionally praise your guru to show that he

is great. Don't you > feel that it is like belittling him? I agree, that one

will be proud > of one's Guru. But keeping on flattering him in all the mails

is > something that is not required for a real Guru. Atleast you should > have

understood that, if you really respect your Guru. > > From my experience, if

somebody flatters a person too much there is > a possibility of suspecting the

intention behind it. Why to create > such situations? If you Guru is learned

allow him to be his own. The > members in this group are intelligent enough to

judge a person from > the way they share their knowledge. There are many

learned members in > this group and they have also got disciples. But do they

keep on > flattering their Gurus? Whats the use? I really dont understand. I am

> sure

many people might have felt the same as I did, but since they > are all very

matured people they are maintaining silence. I have to > learn to be more

matured. Hence this writing on sudden impulse. > Forgive me.> > About

Narasimhji's software, I am not going to check when and at > what time Sir

started selling the software for free. I just > appreciate Sir's mind behind

that. The 'thought' that it should be > made free so that people benefit from

it. That broadmindedness is > something which nobody can match. The software

has become like a > ready reckoner for all. > > Please dont think that I

wrote a hate mail. It was not at all a > hate mail. But somewhere some

discrepencies were there in the way of > asking people to join the course and

the way it was presented which I > felt bad, especially when in this

group. Since many others felt the > same, I hope it was not because of my

ignorance. If it was, as you > said, let Devi shower her light upon me and show

me the right way. > And I am ready to accept the punishment She gives.> > >

Regards,> Jyothi> > > > > > vedic astrology,

mohan ram <mohanraaam> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ms. Jyothi Lakshmi:> > > > You

are mistaken. Kindly ask Shri. Narasimha> > Raoji.... Even he was charging

US$180 (US Dollars one> > hundred and eighty only) for his Jagannatha Hora

Lite> > software until recently. He was giving it at a> > concessional rate of

US$100 for developing nations> > also. The software was made free only

recently. > > Ofcourse, I have high

regards for Shri. P.V.Narasimha> > Raoji and I am one of the first persons to

have> > congratulated him and felicitated him on his> > announcement that the

Hora Lite software has been made> > free, but you seem to be unaware of the

fact that he> > was also charging for his software previously! Kindly> >

understand that even gurujis have expenses to meet> > when they sit in front of

the computer and use the> > internet and they charge you only to cover the

costs> > and not to make profits!> > > > One Mr. Sowmiya Srinivasa Raghavan has

said that he is> > paying money not to read stuff like that... You see,> > even

an ordinary user who is not offering anything to> > this forum speaks of money

for the single session of> > internet, and nobody seems to mind it. But, when

a> > guruji who has spent years of study and

immense> > efforts to acquire his wonderful knowledge is expected> > to do free

service. Kali yuga indeed!> > > > You wax eloquent about ancient gurus... but,

let me> > tell you one thing, none of the ancient siddhas would> > have put up

with your antics and silly questions> > without basic knowledge. The present

day gurus are> > too kind and humble that the students are taking them> > for

granted. I remember your exchanges with guruji in> > the past with your doubts

of Atmakaraka, lagna lord in> > 5th etc. Did guruji ask you money for that?> >

> > Ask the many members of this forum who have availed> > free prayer service

from guruji whether they think> > that gurji is money-minded.> > > >

Incidentally your quote of "gurosthu mounam> > vyaakyaanam" is not about

ordinary gurus.

It is a> > slokham on Shri Dakshinamoorthi (Lord Shiva as a Jagat> > Guru). It

is a wonderful slokha which you are quoting> > out of context as usual!> > > >

Shri. Dakshinamoorthiji may not respond to your hate> > mails due to his

humility "Vidya dadathi vinayam". > > But, his well-wishers will not tolerate

any insult to> > his efforts.> > > > May the Light of Brihaspati shine on you

and remove> > your ignorance. > > --- jyothi_b_lakshmi

<jyothi_b_lakshmi>> > wrote:> > > > > > >

> Dear RK dash,> > > > Isn't it OUR fault that we expect the scholars> >

to be like Sri > > Rama krishna Paramhamsa/ Vivekananda /Sivananda> > sarswati

(list > > extends...)and

the like? We should have realised that> > the world is > > changing, where

scholars take pride in their> > knowledge, not willing > > to share anything

unconditionally. (Not forgetting the> > exceptions). > > They regret that they

wasted their time in case> > unknowingly (by > > mistake?)they happened to

share their knowledge to> > people in lower > > levels.> > > > People

who take astrology as a PROFESSION have> > the right to > > ask for money. I

dont find any thing wrong in that.> > (We are taking > > salary for our

profession.) But it is upto OUR> > discretion whether to > > learn something

from a person who takes it as a> > PROFESSION OR from a > > person who takes it

as a PASSION!! (It does make a big> >

difference!!)> > > > I remember now two lines which I studied in> >

school.> > "Gurostu mounam vyakhyanam, sishyastu chinna> > samshaya". (Since I

dont > > know sanskrit, the verse may have spelling mistakes.> > My teacher

used > > to say that earlier gurus were such that their mere> > silence was > >

eloquent enough to clear all the doubts of> > students!!). I doubt if > > there

are any such gurus now. > > > > When I come to know of the latest

scholars'> > attitude, I feel > > like prostrating at the feet of Narasimhji

who gives> > his Jhora > > software for free enabling thousands of people to

use> > it without any > > cost!! In my native place 'Professional astrologers'>

>

charge 300Rs -> > 600 Rs to prepare a horoscope chart for one person> > that too

with one-> > fourth of the details in Jhora. > > > > In a group like

this where I have so far> > encountered only > > people who are always willing

to share their knowledge> > without any > > expectation, it was really

disturbing to see a> > 'canvassing mail' > > which appeared like an

advertisement. As many people> > had felt, I too > > felt that though asking

money 'as a profession' is not> > wrong, THIS > > group WAS NOT the right

platform to do that. I felt it> > like polluting > > a sacred place!!> > > >

Lets try to maintain this group unpolluted!!> > > > I think Narasimhji should

highlight in bold and in> >

bigger fonts the > > following text in home page which is at present too> >

minute for people > > to read!! (the reason why people overlook it!)> > > >

"This discussion group discusses the principles of> > Vedic astrology > >

(Jyotish) in a HERMITAGE-LIKE atmosphere of devoted> > learning, > > selfless

sharing, courtesy and mutual respect. People> > freely ask VERY > > BASIC

questions and get answers, while very advanced> > discussions are > > going on

alongside."> > > > > > Regards,> > Jyothi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, rk dash> > <arkaydash> > > wrote:> > >> >

> > > > Dear group members,> > > I

am just a day old at the group and getting to> > see what seems a > > mercernary

jamboree in places. These> > exchanges/postings shine some > > light. I'm

highligting the words for members'> > consideration. > > > > > > > > >

If Divine Will is that I must guide you in> > > Pancha Pakshi system, I will

certainly do it. But,> > > currently I am not conducting the course on Pancha>

> > Pakshi Shastram as there were not enough persons> > > willing to take the

email-based course. You see I> > > need enough people to sponsor the course

inorder to> > cover my > > expenses arising out of internet usage and also> > >

to compensate me atleast to some extent for the> > time> > > invested. I know

that this is not the way to look> > at> > > this, but, I am a professional

astrologer and this> > > is my full-time profession. When I run a course, I>

> have> > > to compromise my practice by limiting my > > appointments> > >

and utilize that time to chart out course material> > > that could be of use

to my students. I thought that> > > if I get at least 10 students willing to

enrol and> > > more importantly if they are found suitable by me,> > a> > >

charge of US$100 per person will be feasible for> > > them (US$1000 may be

too high for most persons,> > but> > > US$100 *10 will make it a win-win

situation and I> > will get the > > satisfaction of throwing light on this

wonderful> > >

branch of astrology!), and enough for me to cover> > my> > > time and efforts

invested in this regard. But, as> > > this has not been the case, I decided

against the> > > email-based course for the time-being.> > > > > > The

excerpt is taken from the exchange below my> > message. > > > Sri

Dakshnamoorthi is entitled to his fee, for the> > vidya he is > > condescending

to teach for $100 (down from $1,000)> > must be precious > > (short of

'valuable'). I wish I had a better way to> > express my > > dissent. My

submission is the wielder of the> > particular speciality > > jyotih shastra --

many of us still hold it to be a> > divine vidya* -- > > has pecuniary

consideration uppermost in agreeing to> > part (?) (as > > different

from 'share' ) with his vidya.> > Teaching-learning is not > > quid pro quo. The

teacher does not part. Shradhhaa and> > paatrataa > > should guide those of us

who want to enlighten one> > another. But then > > Sri Dakshnamoorthi is

entitled to his fee: he is a> > professional and > > has to earn his keep.Fair

enough. Let me point out two> > things -- 1. > > the amount of $100 is still

beyond the means of many> > who are > > eminently qualified to receive such

specialised> > knowledge in jyotih > > shastra; 2. I urge on the teacher here

to be equal to> > his spiritual > > quotient and not insist on amount. Who

knows by not> > insisting, he> > > may come upon greater wealth by way of

reward,> > monetrary not ruled > > out. It could at least be a 'sukrut' a beau

geste on>

> his part that > > the speciality will be ably wielded by one or two> > after

him. For that > > he may have to teach scores; for such will be the> > limiting

nature of > > online tutorial -- the farthest cry from the upanishad> > mode

(the face-> > to-face, interactive one). > > > > > > May larger

considerations guide us at this forum. > > > > > > Sincerely> > > RK

Dash> > > > > > Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008> wrote:> > > Om

Krishna Guru> > > > > > Namaste Dakshinamoorthi Ji,> > > > > > Thanks

for the note in the list and hope enough> > students will > >

respond to you soon. I think, Mohanraaam Ji and I am> > already > > interested

in this e-mail course, so you have already> > 2 students. I > > would also

encourage my fellow students to take this> > opportunity to > > learn this

wonderful brach of Jyotish and contact you> > soon > > directly,if they are

interested. I am very keen on> > learning this as I > > have seen it working

like any other branch of Jyotish.> > > > > > If you do not mind keep me

posted on how many> > responses you have > > received periodically so that I

know the status.> > Please let us know > > when you get enough responses, so

that I can send you> > the money.> > > > > > Thanks again for your

willingness to share your> > knowledge in

> > advance.> > > > > > Regards> > > Raghunatha Rao> > > > > >

dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer> wrote:> > > Mon, 2 Jan

2006 07:57:01 +0000 (GMT)> > > dakshinamoorthi r

<dakshinastrologer>> > > Re: Thank You Sir> > > Raghunatha

RaoNemani <raon1008>> > > CC: vedic astrology> > > > > >

Dear Members,> > > > > > Shri. Mohanraaam and Shri. Raghunatha Rao are> > >

pressurizing me to start an email-based course on> > > Panchapakshi shastra. I

wrote back saying that I> > will> > > be most willing to start the email-based

course if I> > > get a minimum of 10 SUITABLE candidates

for a fee of> > > US$100 each. It is not feasible for me to allocate> > my> > >

time otherwise. Shri. Rao suggested that I put a> > note> > > in the vedic

astrology list to this effect so that> > > other members who are willing to

learn this shastra> > > from me can also contact me to join the course for a> >

> fee of US$100, and I can start the course when 10> > > students join the

course. Already some members of> > > this forum contacted me regarding the

course, but> > > unfortunately, due to some practical considerations> > I> > >

could not consider their requests favourably.> > > > > > Original message of

Shri. Raghunatha Rao has been> > > attached with this post.> > > > > > God

Willing, I shall start the course. Kindly note> > > that I may

require my students to solemnly assure me> > > that they will not misuse the

shastra (this shastra> > > can be used for mantrik purposes,and countering a> >

> kritya done with the aid of this shastra is> > > impossible!) and also that

they will not divulge the> > > secrets of this shastra to ANYONE without my

express> > > consent. Those for whom the above conditions are> > > acceptable

may contact me.> > > > > > > > > Blessed be.> > > --- Raghunatha RaoNemani

wrote:> > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru> > > > > > > > Namaste Dakshinamurthy Ji,>

> > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply and for the content. > > > > Also

thanks for compliments on my papers. I work> > > > full time here and do

Jyotish learning and help in>

> > > my free time for FREE. I do not charge any money> > > > from any one, as

that is what I am following per> > my> > > > Guru Ji's suggestions.> > > > > >

> > It is a wonderful idea of you willing to teach us> > > > the "Pancha Pakshi

Principles", I will be happy to> > > > pay $100 as Guru Dakshina along with the

other 9> > > > more studetns in this e-mail course to you. So may> > > > I

request you to please write a note in the Vedic> > > > Astrology List saying

that you are willing to> > start> > > > an e-mail course with $100 and with

minimum 10> > > > students and I am already confirmed as a student> > for> > >

> this couse. > > > > > > > > So that interested studetns can contact you> > >

> directly and

once you got interest from 10> > studetns> > > > as per your requirement, then

let me know, so that> > I> > > > can send the money along with other studetns

and> > get> > > > started in your e-mail course.> > > > > > > > Looking forward

for your announcement and shall> > > > pray to my Mother Mahalakshmi to find

another 9> > > > fellow studetns so that we all can benefit from> > your> > > >

teachings on this branch of Jyotish.> > > > > > > > Thanks for your time and

help in advance.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Raghunatha Rao> > > > > > > > >

> > > dakshinamoorthi r > > > > wrote:> > > > DEar Shri. Raghunatha Rao,> > > >

> > > >

I read your papers which are well-conceived and> > > > well-written. I have had

some previous association> > > > with Shri. R.G.Rao and I have attended his> >

> > conference> > > > which he organized in Bangalore 7 years back along> > > >

with Dr. K.Parthasarathy - another famous> > astrologer> > > > from Chennai who

is now of revered memory. Shri.> > > > R.G.Rao, out of his high opinion

regarding us> > > > invited> > > > us to participate in the seminar and he

refused to> > > > get> > > > any registration fee from us at all out of> >

respect! > > > > His interest and enthusiasm regarding Nadi> > astrology> > > >

is phenomenal. However, to be frank with you, I> > > > honestly feel that he

needs a good proof reader> >

who> > > > is> > > > proficient in both English and Astrology. Though> > his> >

> > knowledge in astrology is second to none, the> > > > language> > > > he

uses in some of his books is such that it is> > > > really> > > > difficult to

understand what he is trying to> > convey!> > > > > > > > But, no doubt, he has

rendered a great service by> > > > popoularising the nadi system of astrology.

His> > > > childlike enthusiasm is to be seen to be believed!> > > > > > > >

Kindly accept my congratulations for your> > > > well-written> > > > papers. If

Divine Will is that I must guide you in> > > > Pancha Pakshi system, I will

certainly do it. But,> > > > currently I am not conducting the course on

Pancha> > > > Pakshi Shastram as there were not enough persons> > > > willing to

take the email-based course. You see I> > > > need> > > > enough people to

sponsor the course inorder to> > cover> > > > my expenses arising out of

internet usage and also> > > > to> > > > compensate me atleast to some extent

for the time> > > > invested. I know that this is not the way to look> > at> >

> > this, but, I am a professional astrologer and this> > > > is> > > > my

full-time profession. When I run a course, I> > have> > > > to compromise my

practice by limiting my> > > > appointments> > > > and utilize that time to

chart out course material> > > > that could be of use to my students. I

thought> > that> >

> > if I get at least 10 students willing to enrol and> > > > more importantly

if they are found suitable by me,> > a> > > > charge of US$100 per person will

be feasible for> > > > them> > > > (US$1000 may be too high for most persons,

but> > > > US$100> > > > *10 will make it a win-win situation and I will> >

get> > > > the satisfaction of throwing light on this> > wonderful> > > >

branch of astrology!), and enough for me to cover> > my> > > > time and efforts

invested in this regard. But, as> > > > this has not been the case, I decided

against the> > > > email-based course for the time-being.> > > > > > > > I

believe that the book "Biorythms of the natal> > > > moon"> > > > will be more

than adequate

for most practical> > > > applications. After receiving the book, you may> >

get> > > > back to me in case you are stuck up with some> > > > doubts. > > > >

But, honestly I feel the best course of action> > would> > > > be probably to

get back to the author himself! I> > may> > > > charge you for clearing your

doubts. Maybe, US$500> > > > (US Dollars five hundred only) might be fair> >

enough> > > > for availing this service of clearing doubts> > > > regarding> >

> > intricacies for a period of 1 year. I do not know> > if> > > > it will be

acceptable to you.....> > > > > > > > Blessed be.> > > > > > > > > > > >

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