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Dear Group Members,

 

All of us have joined this Group to learn and share our knowledge /

problems. i have been a member of this Group for more than a year

now and have always found the members to be very encouraging,

supportive and humane.

 

When i as an ordinary member post my problems in the Group, why is

it that someone sitting in another corner of the world, whom i have

never seen or met, and whom i may never meet, tries to offer

explantion / solution to the problem(s). Inherently, everyone is

good. That is the basic human nature. However, all of us do have our

own limitations including limitation of knowledge, and wisdom which

ultimatley leads to difference of opinions.

 

Let this incident not spoil the feeling of unity and oneness in this

family. Lets not hurt and harm each other. Let us not assign motives

to Shri Dakshinamoorthiji or Mohan Ramji or for that matter anyone

else. i can only say that this has all happened due to Samya Dosham

(bad time).

 

i humbly request everyone that let better counsels prevail, let us

not stoke this fire any further, and treat this matter as closed.

 

Good Day to Everyone

 

Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu

 

Bala

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "sowmiya srinivasaraghavan"

<sowmiya_s@h...> wrote:

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> Mohanram ji,

>

> Whether I am an ordinary user or otherwise, I joined this group

because of

> its definition..Not to read your bull..So, please...be considerate

of what

> you write..You have issues with someone, send them a private

email..and

> Sowmiya, female name..just in case ur gender sense is mixed up..

>

>

> >mohan ram <mohanraaam>

> >vedic astrology

> >vedic astrology

> >Re: [vedic astrology] Re:To Jyothi lakshmi

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> >Dear Ms. Jyothi Lakshmi:

> >

> >You are mistaken. Kindly ask Shri. Narasimha

> >Raoji.... Even he was charging US$180 (US Dollars one

> >hundred and eighty only) for his Jagannatha Hora Lite

> >software until recently. He was giving it at a

> >concessional rate of US$100 for developing nations

> >also. The software was made free only recently.

> >Ofcourse, I have high regards for Shri. P.V.Narasimha

> >Raoji and I am one of the first persons to have

> >congratulated him and felicitated him on his

> >announcement that the Hora Lite software has been made

> >free, but you seem to be unaware of the fact that he

> >was also charging for his software previously! Kindly

> >understand that even gurujis have expenses to meet

> >when they sit in front of the computer and use the

> >internet and they charge you only to cover the costs

> >and not to make profits!

> >

> >One Mr. Sowmiya Srinivasa Raghavan has said that he is

> >paying money not to read stuff like that... You see,

> >even an ordinary user who is not offering anything to

> >this forum speaks of money for the single session of

> >internet, and nobody seems to mind it. But, when a

> >guruji who has spent years of study and immense

> >efforts to acquire his wonderful knowledge is expected

> >to do free service. Kali yuga indeed!

> >

> >You wax eloquent about ancient gurus... but, let me

> >tell you one thing, none of the ancient siddhas would

> >have put up with your antics and silly questions

> >without basic knowledge. The present day gurus are

> >too kind and humble that the students are taking them

> >for granted. I remember your exchanges with guruji in

> >the past with your doubts of Atmakaraka, lagna lord in

> >5th etc. Did guruji ask you money for that?

> >

> >Ask the many members of this forum who have availed

> >free prayer service from guruji whether they think

> >that gurji is money-minded.

> >

> >Incidentally your quote of "gurosthu mounam

> >vyaakyaanam" is not about ordinary gurus. It is a

> >slokham on Shri Dakshinamoorthi (Lord Shiva as a Jagat

> >Guru). It is a wonderful slokha which you are quoting

> >out of context as usual!

> >

> >Shri. Dakshinamoorthiji may not respond to your hate

> >mails due to his humility "Vidya dadathi vinayam".

> >But, his well-wishers will not tolerate any insult to

> >his efforts.

> >

> >May the Light of Brihaspati shine on you and remove

> >your ignorance.

> >--- jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi>

> >wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >Dear RK dash,

> >

> > Isn't it OUR fault that we expect the scholars

> >to be like Sri

> >Rama krishna Paramhamsa/ Vivekananda /Sivananda

> >sarswati (list

> >extends...)and the like? We should have realised that

> >the world is

> >changing, where scholars take pride in their

> >knowledge, not willing

> >to share anything unconditionally. (Not forgetting the

> >exceptions).

> >They regret that they wasted their time in case

> >unknowingly (by

> >mistake?)they happened to share their knowledge to

> >people in lower

> >levels.

> >

> > People who take astrology as a PROFESSION have

> >the right to

> >ask for money. I dont find any thing wrong in that.

> >(We are taking

> >salary for our profession.) But it is upto OUR

> >discretion whether to

> >learn something from a person who takes it as a

> >PROFESSION OR from a

> >person who takes it as a PASSION!! (It does make a big

> >difference!!)

> >

> > I remember now two lines which I studied in

> >school.

> >"Gurostu mounam vyakhyanam, sishyastu chinna

> >samshaya". (Since I dont

> >know sanskrit, the verse may have spelling mistakes.

> >My teacher used

> >to say that earlier gurus were such that their mere

> >silence was

> >eloquent enough to clear all the doubts of

> >students!!). I doubt if

> >there are any such gurus now.

> >

> > When I come to know of the latest scholars'

> >attitude, I feel

> >like prostrating at the feet of Narasimhji who gives

> >his Jhora

> >software for free enabling thousands of people to use

> >it without any

> >cost!! In my native place 'Professional astrologers'

> >charge 300Rs -

> >600 Rs to prepare a horoscope chart for one person

> >that too with one-

> >fourth of the details in Jhora.

> >

> > In a group like this where I have so far

> >encountered only

> >people who are always willing to share their knowledge

> >without any

> >expectation, it was really disturbing to see a

> >'canvassing mail'

> >which appeared like an advertisement. As many people

> >had felt, I too

> >felt that though asking money 'as a profession' is not

> >wrong, THIS

> >group WAS NOT the right platform to do that. I felt it

> >like polluting

> >a sacred place!!

> >

> > Lets try to maintain this group unpolluted!!

> >

> >I think Narasimhji should highlight in bold and in

> >bigger fonts the

> >following text in home page which is at present too

> >minute for people

> >to read!! (the reason why people overlook it!)

> >

> >"This discussion group discusses the principles of

> >Vedic astrology

> >(Jyotish) in a HERMITAGE-LIKE atmosphere of devoted

> >learning,

> >selfless sharing, courtesy and mutual respect. People

> >freely ask VERY

> >BASIC questions and get answers, while very advanced

> >discussions are

> >going on alongside."

> >

> >

> >Regards,

> >Jyothi.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >vedic astrology, rk dash

> ><arkaydash>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear group members,

> > > I am just a day old at the group and getting to

> >see what seems a

> >mercernary jamboree in places. These

> >exchanges/postings shine some

> >light. I'm highligting the words for members'

> >consideration.

> > >

> > >

> > > If Divine Will is that I must guide you in

> > > Pancha Pakshi system, I will certainly do it. But,

> > > currently I am not conducting the course on Pancha

> > > Pakshi Shastram as there were not enough persons

> > > willing to take the email-based course. You see I

> > > need enough people to sponsor the course inorder to

> >cover my

> >expenses arising out of internet usage and also

> > > to compensate me atleast to some extent for the

> >time

> > > invested. I know that this is not the way to look

> >at

> > > this, but, I am a professional astrologer and this

> > > is my full-time profession. When I run a course, I

> >have

> > > to compromise my practice by limiting my

> >appointments

> > > and utilize that time to chart out course material

> > > that could be of use to my students. I thought that

> > > if I get at least 10 students willing to enrol and

> > > more importantly if they are found suitable by me,

> >a

> > > charge of US$100 per person will be feasible for

> > > them (US$1000 may be too high for most persons,

> >but

> > > US$100 *10 will make it a win-win situation and I

> >will get the

> >satisfaction of throwing light on this wonderful

> > > branch of astrology!), and enough for me to cover

> >my

> > > time and efforts invested in this regard. But, as

> > > this has not been the case, I decided against the

> > > email-based course for the time-being.

> > >

> > > The excerpt is taken from the exchange below my

> >message.

> > > Sri Dakshnamoorthi is entitled to his fee, for the

> >vidya he is

> >condescending to teach for $100 (down from $1,000)

> >must be precious

> >(short of 'valuable'). I wish I had a better way to

> >express my

> >dissent. My submission is the wielder of the

> >particular speciality

> >jyotih shastra -- many of us still hold it to be a

> >divine vidya* --

> >has pecuniary consideration uppermost in agreeing to

> >part (?) (as

> >different from 'share' ) with his vidya.

> >Teaching-learning is not

> >quid pro quo. The teacher does not part. Shradhhaa and

> >paatrataa

> >should guide those of us who want to enlighten one

> >another. But then

> >Sri Dakshnamoorthi is entitled to his fee: he is a

> >professional and

> >has to earn his keep.Fair enough. Let me point out two

> >things -- 1.

> >the amount of $100 is still beyond the means of many

> >who are

> >eminently qualified to receive such specialised

> >knowledge in jyotih

> >shastra; 2. I urge on the teacher here to be equal to

> >his spiritual

> >quotient and not insist on amount. Who knows by not

> >insisting, he

> > > may come upon greater wealth by way of reward,

> >monetrary not ruled

> >out. It could at least be a 'sukrut' a beau geste on

> >his part that

> >the speciality will be ably wielded by one or two

> >after him. For that

> >he may have to teach scores; for such will be the

> >limiting nature of

> >online tutorial -- the farthest cry from the upanishad

> >mode (the face-

> >to-face, interactive one).

> > >

> > > May larger considerations guide us at this forum.

> > >

> > > Sincerely

> > > RK Dash

> > >

> > > Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008> wrote:

> > > Om Krishna Guru

> > >

> > > Namaste Dakshinamoorthi Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the note in the list and hope enough

> >students will

> >respond to you soon. I think, Mohanraaam Ji and I am

> >already

> >interested in this e-mail course, so you have already

> >2 students. I

> >would also encourage my fellow students to take this

> >opportunity to

> >learn this wonderful brach of Jyotish and contact you

> >soon

> >directly,if they are interested. I am very keen on

> >learning this as I

> >have seen it working like any other branch of Jyotish.

> > >

> > > If you do not mind keep me posted on how many

> >responses you have

> >received periodically so that I know the status.

> >Please let us know

> >when you get enough responses, so that I can send you

> >the money.

> > >

> > > Thanks again for your willingness to share your

> >knowledge in

> >advance.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Raghunatha Rao

> > >

> > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > > Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:57:01 +0000 (GMT)

> > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer>

> > > Re: Thank You Sir

> > > Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008>

> > > CC: vedic astrology

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Shri. Mohanraaam and Shri. Raghunatha Rao are

> > > pressurizing me to start an email-based course on

> > > Panchapakshi shastra. I wrote back saying that I

> >will

> > > be most willing to start the email-based course if I

> > > get a minimum of 10 SUITABLE candidates for a fee of

> > > US$100 each. It is not feasible for me to allocate

> >my

> > > time otherwise. Shri. Rao suggested that I put a

> >note

> > > in the vedic astrology list to this effect so that

> > > other members who are willing to learn this shastra

> > > from me can also contact me to join the course for a

> > > fee of US$100, and I can start the course when 10

> > > students join the course. Already some members of

> > > this forum contacted me regarding the course, but

> > > unfortunately, due to some practical considerations

> >I

> > > could not consider their requests favourably.

> > >

> > > Original message of Shri. Raghunatha Rao has been

> > > attached with this post.

> > >

> > > God Willing, I shall start the course. Kindly note

> > > that I may require my students to solemnly assure me

> > > that they will not misuse the shastra (this shastra

> > > can be used for mantrik purposes,and countering a

> > > kritya done with the aid of this shastra is

> > > impossible!) and also that they will not divulge the

> > > secrets of this shastra to ANYONE without my express

> > > consent. Those for whom the above conditions are

> > > acceptable may contact me.

> > >

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > --- Raghunatha RaoNemani wrote:

> > >

> > > > Om Krishna Guru

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Dakshinamurthy Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the quick reply and for the content.

> > > > Also thanks for compliments on my papers. I work

> > > > full time here and do Jyotish learning and help in

> > > > my free time for FREE. I do not charge any money

> > > > from any one, as that is what I am following per

> >my

> > > > Guru Ji's suggestions.

> > > >

> > > > It is a wonderful idea of you willing to teach us

> > > > the "Pancha Pakshi Principles", I will be happy to

> > > > pay $100 as Guru Dakshina along with the other 9

> > > > more studetns in this e-mail course to you. So may

> > > > I request you to please write a note in the Vedic

> > > > Astrology List saying that you are willing to

> >start

> > > > an e-mail course with $100 and with minimum 10

> > > > students and I am already confirmed as a student

> >for

> > > > this couse.

> > > >

> > > > So that interested studetns can contact you

> > > > directly and once you got interest from 10

> >studetns

> > > > as per your requirement, then let me know, so that

> >I

> > > > can send the money along with other studetns and

> >get

> > > > started in your e-mail course.

> > > >

> > > > Looking forward for your announcement and shall

> > > > pray to my Mother Mahalakshmi to find another 9

> > > > fellow studetns so that we all can benefit from

> >your

> > > > teachings on this branch of Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your time and help in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Raghunatha Rao

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dakshinamoorthi r

> > > > wrote:

> > > > DEar Shri. Raghunatha Rao,

> > > >

> > > > I read your papers which are well-conceived and

> > > > well-written. I have had some previous association

> > > > with Shri. R.G.Rao and I have attended his

> > > > conference

> > > > which he organized in Bangalore 7 years back along

> > > > with Dr. K.Parthasarathy - another famous

> >astrologer

> > > > from Chennai who is now of revered memory. Shri.

> > > > R.G.Rao, out of his high opinion regarding us

> > > > invited

> > > > us to participate in the seminar and he refused to

> > > > get

> > > > any registration fee from us at all out of

> >respect!

> > > > His interest and enthusiasm regarding Nadi

> >astrology

> > > > is phenomenal. However, to be frank with you, I

> > > > honestly feel that he needs a good proof reader

> >who

> > > > is

> > > > proficient in both English and Astrology. Though

> >his

> > > > knowledge in astrology is second to none, the

> > > > language

> > > > he uses in some of his books is such that it is

> > > > really

> > > > difficult to understand what he is trying to

> >convey!

> > > >

> > > > But, no doubt, he has rendered a great service by

> > > > popoularising the nadi system of astrology. His

> > > > childlike enthusiasm is to be seen to be believed!

> > > >

> > > > Kindly accept my congratulations for your

> > > > well-written

> > > > papers. If Divine Will is that I must guide you in

> > > > Pancha Pakshi system, I will certainly do it. But,

> > > > currently I am not conducting the course on Pancha

> > > > Pakshi Shastram as there were not enough persons

> > > > willing to take the email-based course. You see I

> > > > need

> > > > enough people to sponsor the course inorder to

> >cover

> > > > my expenses arising out of internet usage and also

> > > > to

> > > > compensate me atleast to some extent for the time

> > > > invested. I know that this is not the way to look

> >at

> > > > this, but, I am a professional astrologer and this

> > > > is

> > > > my full-time profession. When I run a course, I

> >have

> > > > to compromise my practice by limiting my

> > > > appointments

> > > > and utilize that time to chart out course material

> > > > that could be of use to my students. I thought

> >that

> > > > if I get at least 10 students willing to enrol and

> > > > more importantly if they are found suitable by me,

> >a

> > > > charge of US$100 per person will be feasible for

> > > > them

> > > > (US$1000 may be too high for most persons, but

> > > > US$100

> > > > *10 will make it a win-win situation and I will

> >get

> > > > the satisfaction of throwing light on this

> >wonderful

> > > > branch of astrology!), and enough for me to cover

> >my

> > > > time and efforts invested in this regard. But, as

> > > > this has not been the case, I decided against the

> > > > email-based course for the time-being.

> > > >

> > > > I believe that the book "Biorythms of the natal

> > > > moon"

> > > > will be more than adequate for most practical

> > > > applications. After receiving the book, you may

> >get

> > > > back to me in case you are stuck up with some

> > > > doubts.

> > > > But, honestly I feel the best course of action

> >would

> > > > be probably to get back to the author himself! I

> >may

> > > > charge you for clearing your doubts. Maybe, US$500

> > > > (US Dollars five hundred only) might be fair

> >enough

> > > > for availing this service of clearing doubts

> > > > regarding

> > > > intricacies for a period of 1 year. I do not know

> >if

> > > > it will be acceptable to you.....

> > > >

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Dear Ms. Sowmiya:

 

Sowmya Srinivasaraghavan is a name which is kept by males also.

Sowmiya is the name of Mercury. "Sowmiyaa" is a female name. You will

note the short and long forms of it which distinguishes male/female.

If you know your culture and sanskrit you will know it. My gender

sense is not mixed up. Unfortunately in English which is a

non-phonetic language, we cannot distinguish the short and long forms

of vowels as both are generally written with the same spelling.

 

Now, about my writing bull, .... if you write bull you get it back.

That is it. You were passing judgements on something and that is why

I had to mention your name. If you have the right to express your

views in this forum, then I think I also have the same right as a

memeber. I have not quoted you out of context. I only mentioned you

only in the right context.

 

Anyway, I sincerely apologize as I realize I have hurt you. Sorry.

 

We shall interact smoothly in the future if that is possible.

 

Best regards.

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Mohanram ji (your id seems different),

 

I beg to differ on the naming convention you try to explain here, but that

is for another day on a different group, even though by and large I have

never met anyone who assume a male has the name (as there is a different

version of the male name)

 

More importantly, I was not the one passing judgements. I was merely asking

you to keep it offline and not bother everyone with your canvassing,

criticisms etc. That is NOT a judgement, in case u did not understand it. It

is a request, a strong request to stick to the definition of the group

(something the moderator should be doing, with all due respect). We are part

of the group because of the definition provided at inception. It was you who

were passing judgements at everyone. Calling someone an idiot, someone an

ordinary person, assuming who knows what etc. So, please desist.

 

I will not be responding to you anymore..So, please dont waste your time

more of this stuff ..Thank you in advance..

 

 

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>Dear Ms. Sowmiya:

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>Sowmya Srinivasaraghavan is a name which is kept by males also.

>Sowmiya is the name of Mercury. "Sowmiyaa" is a female name. You will

>note the short and long forms of it which distinguishes male/female.

>If you know your culture and sanskrit you will know it. My gender

>sense is not mixed up. Unfortunately in English which is a

>non-phonetic language, we cannot distinguish the short and long forms

>of vowels as both are generally written with the same spelling.

>

>Now, about my writing bull, .... if you write bull you get it back.

>That is it. You were passing judgements on something and that is why

>I had to mention your name. If you have the right to express your

>views in this forum, then I think I also have the same right as a

>memeber. I have not quoted you out of context. I only mentioned you

>only in the right context.

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>Anyway, I sincerely apologize as I realize I have hurt you. Sorry.

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>We shall interact smoothly in the future if that is possible.

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>Best regards.

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