Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Dear members, I have been trying to get the birth details (and thereby horoscope) of Hanuman for a long time but in vain. However, I have the following ideas and would like to know the view of the esteemed members of this group: 1. Hanuman was elder to Sri Ram but I am not sure on the number of years, could it be around 7-8 years? Any views? 2. I have heard from some source, not very reliable I guess, that Hanuman was born on Shukla Chaitra? Is this understanding correct? 3. The event that he is more known by his mother and was educated by Surya in his childhood would thereby place Sun in Aries in 4th. making Capricorn Lagna. Mars should be in Lagna, Moon in 10th. in Libra. 4. Taking into consideration the fact that he was hit by Indra in his early years, I could place Jup in Lagna. Could anyone guide me with my study on Sri Ram bhakt Hanuman's chart? Sri Ram's chart is very popular but Hanuman's chart could be a great study as well. Thanks Souvik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 known by his mother and was educated by Surya in his childhood would thereby place Sun in Aries in 4th. making Capricorn Lagna. Mars should be in Lagna, Moon in 10th. in Libra.4. Taking into consideration the fact that he was hit by Indra in his early years, I could place Jup in Lagna.Could anyone guide me with my study on Sri Ram bhakt Hanuman's chart?Sri Ram's chart is very popular but Hanuman's chart could be a great study as well.ThanksSouvik Warm Regards, Omprakash Ram. ADocumentation SpecialistMARCH Marketing Consultancy & Research6-3-352/2, 6th Floor, Astral Heights,Road # 1, Banjara Hills,Hyderabad, India - 500034Ph: +91-(0)40-23430481-484Fax: +91-(0)40-23430480Mail: omprakash (AT) marchresearch (DOT) comSend instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Om, Would be glad to know your views on the same. Any pointers? Regards, Souvik vedic astrology, om <ompvik> wrote: > > > This is a wonderful Study indeed, and even i would be intrested to more about the same. > > Wish you all the very best in your studies. > ______________ > Omprakash Ram > > > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan> wrote: > Dear members, > > I have been trying to get the birth details (and thereby horoscope) > of Hanuman for a long time but in vain. > > However, I have the following ideas and would like to know the view > of the esteemed members of this group: > 1. Hanuman was elder to Sri Ram but I am not sure on the number of > years, could it be around 7-8 years? Any views? > 2. I have heard from some source, not very reliable I guess, that > Hanuman was born on Shukla Chaitra? Is this understanding correct? > 3. The event that he is more known by his mother and was educated by > Surya in his childhood would thereby place Sun in Aries in 4th. > making Capricorn Lagna. Mars should be in Lagna, Moon in 10th. in > Libra. > 4. Taking into consideration the fact that he was hit by Indra in > his early years, I could place Jup in Lagna. > > Could anyone guide me with my study on Sri Ram bhakt Hanuman's chart? > > Sri Ram's chart is very popular but Hanuman's chart could be a great > study as well. > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > Warm Regards, > > Omprakash Ram. A > Documentation Specialist > MARCH Marketing Consultancy & Research > 6-3-352/2, 6th Floor, Astral Heights, > Road # 1, Banjara Hills, > Hyderabad, India - 500034 > Ph: +91-(0)40-23430481-484 > Fax: +91-(0)40-23430480 > Mail: omprakash@m... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan> wrote: > I saw a chart of Sri Hanuman in somebody's prayer room and the planetary placements were as follows: Lagna - Aries Sun - Libra Moon - Sagittarius Mars - Aries Mercury - Virgo Jupiter - Sagittarius Venus - Virgo Saturn - Aquarius Rahu - Virgo Ketu - Pisces Note the occupation and aspect of all yogakarakas (Sun, Mars, Jupiter) on Aries lagna, Ketu in moksha sthana, Debilitated Venus, exalted Mercury. Do not know the authenticity of the chart. But just thought it might be of interest to people here. Regards, Om, > > Would be glad to know your views on the same. Any pointers? > > Regards, > > Souvik > > vedic astrology, om <ompvik> wrote: > > > > > > This is a wonderful Study indeed, and even i would be intrested > to more about the same. > > > > Wish you all the very best in your studies. > > ______________ > > Omprakash Ram > > > > > > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > Dear members, > > > > I have been trying to get the birth details (and thereby > horoscope) > > of Hanuman for a long time but in vain. > > > > However, I have the following ideas and would like to know the > view > > of the esteemed members of this group: > > 1. Hanuman was elder to Sri Ram but I am not sure on the number of > > years, could it be around 7-8 years? Any views? > > 2. I have heard from some source, not very reliable I guess, that > > Hanuman was born on Shukla Chaitra? Is this understanding correct? > > 3. The event that he is more known by his mother and was educated > by > > Surya in his childhood would thereby place Sun in Aries in 4th. > > making Capricorn Lagna. Mars should be in Lagna, Moon in 10th. in > > Libra. > > 4. Taking into consideration the fact that he was hit by Indra in > > his early years, I could place Jup in Lagna. > > > > Could anyone guide me with my study on Sri Ram bhakt Hanuman's > chart? > > > > Sri Ram's chart is very popular but Hanuman's chart could be a > great > > study as well. > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Omprakash Ram. A > > Documentation Specialist > > MARCH Marketing Consultancy & Research > > 6-3-352/2, 6th Floor, Astral Heights, > > Road # 1, Banjara Hills, > > Hyderabad, India - 500034 > > Ph: +91-(0)40-23430481-484 > > Fax: +91-(0)40-23430480 > > Mail: omprakash@m... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Dear Shri. Ganesh: I think the position of Sun should be in Sagittarius as we generally celebrate Hanumath Jayanthi in Margasirsh Moola nakshatra (Amavasya) is it not? But, otherwise, the planetary placements are the same as the ones in a chart that is in my possession from some reference. I also did not post it mainly due to lack of authenticity of the horoscope. It is good that you have posted it for the consideration of members of this group. Blessed be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Dear members, I am a learner so please excuse and correct my mistakes. However, I feel this data seems to be incorrect. My reasoning: Sri Ram had: Rahu in Saggi Jupiter in Cancer If Hanumanji had Rah in Virgo, the age difference between them would be no less than 13 yrs (Rah takes approx. 18 months to change signs). If Hanumanji had Jup in Saggi, in 13 yrs (+/- 1 yr), the transit Jup should be either in Capricorn or Saggi or in Scorpio. However, there is no possibility of it being in Cancer. If we take the position of Saturn in Aquarius, it would take it to reach Libra in no less than 20 years. There are some other data that might be useful. During the setubandhan Hanuman was undergoing Sade-sati. So obviously we was around 30 years then. We may expect Sri Ram also around to be of the same age, not more than 2-3 years of difference with Hanumanji, the latter being older. I may be getting the whole picture wrong, so please feel free to correct me. Regards, Souvik vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > Dear Shri. Ganesh: > > I think the position of Sun should be in Sagittarius as we generally > celebrate Hanumath Jayanthi in Margasirsh Moola nakshatra (Amavasya) > is it not? > > But, otherwise, the planetary placements are the same as the ones in a > chart that is in my possession from some reference. I also did not > post it mainly due to lack of authenticity of the horoscope. > > It is good that you have posted it for the consideration of members of > this group. > > Blessed be. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear members, I would like to apologize for my incorrect calculations yesterday. On re-visiting this issue, I found the following: If we estimate a difference of age of approx. 22 years i.e. Hanumanji being 22 yrs older than Sri Ram, we can estbalish the truth of the chart at hand: Hanumanji: Rah in Virgo, In around 22.5 yrs, it would be in Saggi Jup in Saggi, In around 21 yrs, it would be in Cancer Saturn in Aquarius, In around 20 + years in would be in Libra and can go retro in 22 + years. Thanks for sharing this information. Regards, Souvik vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > Dear members, > > I am a learner so please excuse and correct my mistakes. > > However, I feel this data seems to be incorrect. > > My reasoning: > > Sri Ram had: > Rahu in Saggi > Jupiter in Cancer > > If Hanumanji had Rah in Virgo, the age difference between them would > be no less than 13 yrs (Rah takes approx. 18 months to change signs). > > If Hanumanji had Jup in Saggi, in 13 yrs (+/- 1 yr), the transit Jup > should be either in Capricorn or Saggi or in Scorpio. However, there > is no possibility of it being in Cancer. > > If we take the position of Saturn in Aquarius, it would take it to > reach Libra in no less than 20 years. > > There are some other data that might be useful. > > During the setubandhan Hanuman was undergoing Sade-sati. So > obviously we was around 30 years then. > > We may expect Sri Ram also around to be of the same age, not more > than 2-3 years of difference with Hanumanji, the latter being older. > > I may be getting the whole picture wrong, so please feel free to > correct me. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Ganesh: > > > > I think the position of Sun should be in Sagittarius as we > generally > > celebrate Hanumath Jayanthi in Margasirsh Moola nakshatra > (Amavasya) > > is it not? > > > > But, otherwise, the planetary placements are the same as the ones > in a > > chart that is in my possession from some reference. I also did > not > > post it mainly due to lack of authenticity of the horoscope. > > > > It is good that you have posted it for the consideration of > members of > > this group. > > > > Blessed be. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Souvik, Namaskar Saturn goes retrograde once a year, when the Sun visits the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth house from him in transit. So why did you add +2 years for retrogression? I searched online and many sources are saying that Hanuman was born at sunrise in a cave. Sunrise itself is considered Rudra-ghati, which adds up as Hanuman is considered an incarnation of Rudra. The Sun in lagna/seventh in mesha or thula, also confirms the dictum that he was without a parent whilst growing up. So the birth during Chaitra-Purnima is definite, putting Sun in the lagna and moon in the seventh house. Now if Sade Sati occured for Hanuman whilst he was in Lanka, that would mean that Sri Rama was undergoing a Saturn return at that time, making him 27½ - 32½ years old. This adds up with the 14 year period of exhile for Sri Rama between 23-37 years of age. The stories indicate that his mother left for svarga loka early in his childhood, and the birth in a cave, also requires very specific combinations, so from this we should be able to estimate a reasonable chart. How did you estimate the position of the nodes for Sri Hanumanji? Did you just guess or do you have a legitamate reason? Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan ] 07 January 2006 01:00 vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">Dear members, I would like to apologize for my incorrect calculations yesterday. On re-visiting this issue, I found the following: If we estimate a difference of age of approx. 22 years i.e. Hanumanji being 22 yrs older than Sri Ram, we can estbalish the truth of the chart at hand: Hanumanji: Rah in Virgo, In around 22.5 yrs, it would be in Saggi Jup in Saggi, In around 21 yrs, it would be in Cancer Saturn in Aquarius, In around 20 + years in would be in Libra and can go retro in 22 + years. Thanks for sharing this information. Regards, Souvik vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > Dear members, > > I am a learner so please excuse and correct my mistakes. > > However, I feel this data seems to be incorrect. > > My reasoning: > > Sri Ram had: > Rahu in Saggi > Jupiter in Cancer > > If Hanumanji had Rah in Virgo, the age difference between them would > be no less than 13 yrs (Rah takes approx. 18 months to change signs). > > If Hanumanji had Jup in Saggi, in 13 yrs (+/- 1 yr), the transit Jup > should be either in Capricorn or Saggi or in Scorpio. However, there > is no possibility of it being in Cancer. > > If we take the position of Saturn in Aquarius, it would take it to > reach Libra in no less than 20 years. > > There are some other data that might be useful. > > During the setubandhan Hanuman was undergoing Sade-sati. So > obviously we was around 30 years then. > > We may expect Sri Ram also around to be of the same age, not more > than 2-3 years of difference with Hanumanji, the latter being older. > > I may be getting the whole picture wrong, so please feel free to > correct me. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Ganesh: > > > > I think the position of Sun should be in Sagittarius as we > generally > > celebrate Hanumath Jayanthi in Margasirsh Moola nakshatra > (Amavasya) > > is it not? > > > > But, otherwise, the planetary placements are the same as the ones > in a > > chart that is in my possession from some reference. I also did > not > > post it mainly due to lack of authenticity of the horoscope. > > > > It is good that you have posted it for the consideration of > members of > > this group. > > > > Blessed be. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Dear Vistiji, Thanks for these pointers. No I did not guess anything, rather I myself am searching for this answer. A few members of this groups suggested the horoscope(with Aries rising) and I was validating the theory with the birth details of Sri Ram, thats it. Thank you very much for educating me on the rule of Saturn retrogression. I was unaware of this. Yes, the details suggested by you sounds good. I am desparately looking for an age difference between Sri Ram and Hanumanji. Yes, the sade-sadi during setu bandhan reference is on this. So, will it be reasonable to say the following: Lagna-Aries Sun-Aries Mon-Libra Now, if Sun was in Aries for Hanumanji and Sri Ram, can we say that their birth year differences could be whole numbers like 1 or 2 yrs? If that be so, Rah could be in Scorpio or Libra for Hanumanji. Your views will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Souvik - My first mail to the group on this issue is below: Dear members, I have been trying to get the birth details (and thereby horoscope) of Hanuman for a long time but in vain. However, I have the following ideas and would like to know the view of the esteemed members of this group: 1. Hanuman was elder to Sri Ram but I am not sure on the number of years, could it be around 7-8 years? Any views? 2. I have heard from some source, not very reliable I guess, that Hanuman was born on Shukla Chaitra? Is this understanding correct? 3. The event that he is more known by his mother and was educated by Surya in his childhood would thereby place Sun in Aries in 4th. making Capricorn Lagna. Mars should be in Lagna, Moon in 10th. in Libra. 4. Taking into consideration the fact that he was hit by Indra in his early years, I could place Jup in Lagna. Could anyone guide me with my study on Sri Ram bhakt Hanuman's chart? Sri Ram's chart is very popular but Hanuman's chart could be a great study as well. Thanks Souvik vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Souvik, Namaskar > > Saturn goes retrograde once a year, when the Sun visits the fifth, sixth, > seventh, eighth and ninth house from him in transit. So why did you add +2 > years for retrogression? > > I searched online and many sources are saying that Hanuman was born at > sunrise in a cave. Sunrise itself is considered Rudra-ghati, which adds up > as Hanuman is considered an incarnation of Rudra. The Sun in lagna/seventh > in mesha or thula, also confirms the dictum that he was without a parent > whilst growing up. So the birth during Chaitra-Purnima is definite, putting > Sun in the lagna and moon in the seventh house. > > > > Now if Sade Sati occured for Hanuman whilst he was in Lanka, that would mean > that Sri Rama was undergoing a Saturn return at that time, making him 27½ - > 32½ years old. This adds up with the 14 year period of exhile for Sri Rama > between 23-37 years of age. > > > > The stories indicate that his mother left for svarga loka early in his > childhood, and the birth in a cave, also requires very specific > combinations, so from this we should be able to estimate a reasonable chart. > > > > How did you estimate the position of the nodes for Sri Hanumanji? Did you > just guess or do you have a legitamate reason? > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > 07 January 2006 01:00 > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra > > > > Dear members, > > I would like to apologize for my incorrect calculations yesterday. > > On re-visiting this issue, I found the following: > > If we estimate a difference of age of approx. 22 years i.e. > Hanumanji being 22 yrs older than Sri Ram, we can estbalish the > truth of the chart at hand: > > Hanumanji: > Rah in Virgo, In around 22.5 yrs, it would be in Saggi > Jup in Saggi, In around 21 yrs, it would be in Cancer > Saturn in Aquarius, In around 20 + years in would be in Libra and > can go retro in 22 + years. > > > Thanks for sharing this information. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" > <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > Dear members, > > > > I am a learner so please excuse and correct my mistakes. > > > > However, I feel this data seems to be incorrect. > > > > My reasoning: > > > > Sri Ram had: > > Rahu in Saggi > > Jupiter in Cancer > > > > If Hanumanji had Rah in Virgo, the age difference between them > would > > be no less than 13 yrs (Rah takes approx. 18 months to change > signs). > > > > If Hanumanji had Jup in Saggi, in 13 yrs (+/- 1 yr), the transit > Jup > > should be either in Capricorn or Saggi or in Scorpio. However, > there > > is no possibility of it being in Cancer. > > > > If we take the position of Saturn in Aquarius, it would take it to > > reach Libra in no less than 20 years. > > > > There are some other data that might be useful. > > > > During the setubandhan Hanuman was undergoing Sade-sati. So > > obviously we was around 30 years then. > > > > We may expect Sri Ram also around to be of the same age, not more > > than 2-3 years of difference with Hanumanji, the latter being > older. > > > > I may be getting the whole picture wrong, so please feel free to > > correct me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Ganesh: > > > > > > I think the position of Sun should be in Sagittarius as we > > generally > > > celebrate Hanumath Jayanthi in Margasirsh Moola nakshatra > > (Amavasya) > > > is it not? > > > > > > But, otherwise, the planetary placements are the same as the > ones > > in a > > > chart that is in my possession from some reference. I also did > > not > > > post it mainly due to lack of authenticity of the horoscope. > > > > > > It is good that you have posted it for the consideration of > > members of > > > this group. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group "vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> " on the web. > > * > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Souvik, Namaskar Why not the same year? And how do you know that he isn’t younger than Sri Rama? Point is that we need a much clearer reference to his birth first. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan ] 07 January 2006 14:15 vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">Dear Vistiji, Thanks for these pointers. No I did not guess anything, rather I myself am searching for this answer. A few members of this groups suggested the horoscope(with Aries rising) and I was validating the theory with the birth details of Sri Ram, thats it. Thank you very much for educating me on the rule of Saturn retrogression. I was unaware of this. Yes, the details suggested by you sounds good. I am desparately looking for an age difference between Sri Ram and Hanumanji. Yes, the sade-sadi during setu bandhan reference is on this. So, will it be reasonable to say the following: Lagna-Aries Sun-Aries Mon-Libra Now, if Sun was in Aries for Hanumanji and Sri Ram, can we say that their birth year differences could be whole numbers like 1 or 2 yrs? If that be so, Rah could be in Scorpio or Libra for Hanumanji. Your views will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Souvik - My first mail to the group on this issue is below: Dear members, I have been trying to get the birth details (and thereby horoscope) of Hanuman for a long time but in vain. However, I have the following ideas and would like to know the view of the esteemed members of this group: 1. Hanuman was elder to Sri Ram but I am not sure on the number of years, could it be around 7-8 years? Any views? 2. I have heard from some source, not very reliable I guess, that Hanuman was born on Shukla Chaitra? Is this understanding correct? 3. The event that he is more known by his mother and was educated by Surya in his childhood would thereby place Sun in Aries in 4th. making Capricorn Lagna. Mars should be in Lagna, Moon in 10th. in Libra. 4. Taking into consideration the fact that he was hit by Indra in his early years, I could place Jup in Lagna. Could anyone guide me with my study on Sri Ram bhakt Hanuman's chart? Sri Ram's chart is very popular but Hanuman's chart could be a great study as well. Thanks Souvik vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Souvik, Namaskar > > Saturn goes retrograde once a year, when the Sun visits the fifth, sixth, > seventh, eighth and ninth house from him in transit. So why did you add +2 > years for retrogression? > > I searched online and many sources are saying that Hanuman was born at > sunrise in a cave. Sunrise itself is considered Rudra-ghati, which adds up > as Hanuman is considered an incarnation of Rudra. The Sun in lagna/seventh > in mesha or thula, also confirms the dictum that he was without a parent > whilst growing up. So the birth during Chaitra-Purnima is definite, putting > Sun in the lagna and moon in the seventh house. > > > > Now if Sade Sati occured for Hanuman whilst he was in Lanka, that would mean > that Sri Rama was undergoing a Saturn return at that time, making him 27½ - > 32½ years old. This adds up with the 14 year period of exhile for Sri Rama > between 23-37 years of age. > > > > The stories indicate that his mother left for svarga loka early in his > childhood, and the birth in a cave, also requires very specific > combinations, so from this we should be able to estimate a reasonable chart. > > > > How did you estimate the position of the nodes for Sri Hanumanji? Did you > just guess or do you have a legitamate reason? > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > 07 January 2006 01:00 > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra > > > > Dear members, > > I would like to apologize for my incorrect calculations yesterday. > > On re-visiting this issue, I found the following: > > If we estimate a difference of age of approx. 22 years i.e. > Hanumanji being 22 yrs older than Sri Ram, we can estbalish the > truth of the chart at hand: > > Hanumanji: > Rah in Virgo, In around 22.5 yrs, it would be in Saggi > Jup in Saggi, In around 21 yrs, it would be in Cancer > Saturn in Aquarius, In around 20 + years in would be in Libra and > can go retro in 22 + years. > > > Thanks for sharing this information. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" > <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > Dear members, > > > > I am a learner so please excuse and correct my mistakes. > > > > However, I feel this data seems to be incorrect. > > > > My reasoning: > > > > Sri Ram had: > > Rahu in Saggi > > Jupiter in Cancer > > > > If Hanumanji had Rah in Virgo, the age difference between them > would > > be no less than 13 yrs (Rah takes approx. 18 months to change > signs). > > > > If Hanumanji had Jup in Saggi, in 13 yrs (+/- 1 yr), the transit > Jup > > should be either in Capricorn or Saggi or in Scorpio. However, > there > > is no possibility of it being in Cancer. > > > > If we take the position of Saturn in Aquarius, it would take it to > > reach Libra in no less than 20 years. > > > > There are some other data that might be useful. > > > > During the setubandhan Hanuman was undergoing Sade-sati. So > > obviously we was around 30 years then. > > > > We may expect Sri Ram also around to be of the same age, not more > > than 2-3 years of difference with Hanumanji, the latter being > older. > > > > I may be getting the whole picture wrong, so please feel free to > > correct me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Ganesh: > > > > > > I think the position of Sun should be in Sagittarius as we > > generally > > > celebrate Hanumath Jayanthi in Margasirsh Moola nakshatra > > (Amavasya) > > > is it not? > > > > > > But, otherwise, the planetary placements are the same as the > ones > > in a > > > chart that is in my possession from some reference. I also did > > not > > > post it mainly due to lack of authenticity of the horoscope. > > > > > > It is good that you have posted it for the consideration of > > members of > > > this group. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Dear Vistiji, No I have not ruled that possibility either. I found this post which says that Hanuman is born of the same payasa that the wives of Dasharatha had. Hanuman By Sri D.Ramkissoon B.A. (Hons) The Legend : The Origin Sri Hanumanji is an incarnation of Lord Siva. Brihaspati (the preceptor of the gods) had an attendant by the name of Punjikasthala who was cursed to assume the body of a female monkey. The curse was to be removed on her giving birth to an incarnation of Lord Siva. Accordingly, she was born as Anjana and, together with her husband Kesari (so named on account of his being as brave as a lion), lived a life of chastity and purity. She performed intense Tapasya (austerities) for a great many years, during which period she worshipped Lord Siva who being pleased with her granted her a boon. She asked that He (Lord Siva) be born to her so that she may be freed from the curse. When Dasaratha, the king of Ayodhya was given the sacred payasa (pudding) by Agnideva to share among his wives so that they may have divine children (Ram, Lakshmana, Bharata and Shatrughna), by divine ordinance, a bird (kite) snatched a fragment of that pudding and, whilst flying over the forest, dropped it where Anjana was engaged in worship. Pavandev (the deity presiding over the wind) delivered that fragment of pudding to the outstretched hands of Anjana who immediately swallowed it. With that grace, she, in due course, gave birth to Hanumanji. Thus we find that Lord Siva incarnated as Hanumanji in the bodily form of a monkey through the grace and blessings of his god-father Pavandev, with Anjana and Kesari as his earthly parents. Moreover, I found the following about the Nakshatra Swati: Swati nakshatra Swati nakshatra (Bootis or Arcturus) Spread from 6:40' to 20: Tula. Lord is Sukra, the deity is the Wind and because of this latter factor this causes the attributes of the Wind. Restlessness of disposition or physical restlessness, inability to stay still at any place comes from it; also fidgetiness and noise. It is self-assured and asserting. The winds (Murut) are the Lords of North-West. The 49 of them under the `Paban', of all Gods he is the strongest and most obstinate. From these are derived the knowledge, the physical internal adjustments of the 5 Winds - Pan, Apan, Vyan, Udan and Saman. Also from this comes the storms and the whirl-wind, the concrete disturbance of the atmosphere, A person born under this star is good at buying and selling, his wealth and property come and go quite easily. He is an independent sort of man, always striving for more independence. Asceticism is yet another attribute of this star. Diseases of the wind are to be treated in reference to this . The Wind is the great scavenger, it sweats the dross and purifies. The winnowing of rice bears comparison to this. Those born in the star Swati are wise, witty and learned. They are religious and pleasant minded. They are endowed with the body of kingly symbols, bright and handsome and loved by their wives. They perform religious works, truthful, experts in transactions, sexy, givers and learned. They are obedient, lovers of pious people, experts in architecture and sculpture, stingy and respect gods and brahmins. They help others, daring, long lived, large eyed, kind, famous, lovers of relatives and friends, independent, eat optimum food, and followers of their own religion. I also found that the muhurta just after sunrise is Rudra muhurta. So, this does establish the fact that Sun was in Aries in Lagna and Moon in Libra in 7th. Well still searching for other references for other planet positions. Thanks Souvik vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Souvik, Namaskar > > Why not the same year? And how do you know that he isn't younger than Sri > Rama? > > Point is that we need a much clearer reference to his birth first. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > 07 January 2006 14:15 > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > Thanks for these pointers. No I did not guess anything, rather I > myself am searching for this answer. > > A few members of this groups suggested the horoscope(with Aries > rising) and I was validating the theory with the birth details of > Sri Ram, thats it. > > Thank you very much for educating me on the rule of Saturn > retrogression. I was unaware of this. > > Yes, the details suggested by you sounds good. > > I am desparately looking for an age difference between Sri Ram and > Hanumanji. > > Yes, the sade-sadi during setu bandhan reference is on this. > > > So, will it be reasonable to say the following: > Lagna-Aries > Sun-Aries > Mon-Libra > > Now, if Sun was in Aries for Hanumanji and Sri Ram, can we say that > their birth year differences could be whole numbers like 1 or 2 yrs? > > If that be so, Rah could be in Scorpio or Libra for Hanumanji. > > Your views will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > > - > My first mail to the group on this issue is below: > Dear members, > > I have been trying to get the birth details (and thereby horoscope) > of Hanuman for a long time but in vain. > > However, I have the following ideas and would like to know the view > of the esteemed members of this group: > 1. Hanuman was elder to Sri Ram but I am not sure on the number of > years, could it be around 7-8 years? Any views? > 2. I have heard from some source, not very reliable I guess, that > Hanuman was born on Shukla Chaitra? Is this understanding correct? > 3. The event that he is more known by his mother and was educated by > Surya in his childhood would thereby place Sun in Aries in 4th. > making Capricorn Lagna. Mars should be in Lagna, Moon in 10th. in > Libra. > 4. Taking into consideration the fact that he was hit by Indra in > his early years, I could place Jup in Lagna. > > Could anyone guide me with my study on Sri Ram bhakt Hanuman's chart? > > Sri Ram's chart is very popular but Hanuman's chart could be a great > study as well. > > Thanks > > Souvik > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Souvik, Namaskar > > > > Saturn goes retrograde once a year, when the Sun visits the fifth, > sixth, > > seventh, eighth and ninth house from him in transit. So why did > you add +2 > > years for retrogression? > > > > I searched online and many sources are saying that Hanuman was > born at > > sunrise in a cave. Sunrise itself is considered Rudra-ghati, which > adds up > > as Hanuman is considered an incarnation of Rudra. The Sun in > lagna/seventh > > in mesha or thula, also confirms the dictum that he was without a > parent > > whilst growing up. So the birth during Chaitra-Purnima is > definite, putting > > Sun in the lagna and moon in the seventh house. > > > > > > > > Now if Sade Sati occured for Hanuman whilst he was in Lanka, that > would mean > > that Sri Rama was undergoing a Saturn return at that time, making > him 27½ - > > 32½ years old. This adds up with the 14 year period of exhile for > Sri Rama > > between 23-37 years of age. > > > > > > > > The stories indicate that his mother left for svarga loka early in > his > > childhood, and the birth in a cave, also requires very specific > > combinations, so from this we should be able to estimate a > reasonable chart. > > > > > > > > How did you estimate the position of the nodes for Sri Hanumanji? > Did you > > just guess or do you have a legitamate reason? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > > 07 January 2006 01:00 > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > I would like to apologize for my incorrect calculations yesterday. > > > > On re-visiting this issue, I found the following: > > > > If we estimate a difference of age of approx. 22 years i.e. > > Hanumanji being 22 yrs older than Sri Ram, we can estbalish the > > truth of the chart at hand: > > > > Hanumanji: > > Rah in Virgo, In around 22.5 yrs, it would be in Saggi > > Jup in Saggi, In around 21 yrs, it would be in Cancer > > Saturn in Aquarius, In around 20 + years in would be in Libra and > > can go retro in 22 + years. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing this information. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" > > <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > I am a learner so please excuse and correct my mistakes. > > > > > > However, I feel this data seems to be incorrect. > > > > > > My reasoning: > > > > > > Sri Ram had: > > > Rahu in Saggi > > > Jupiter in Cancer > > > > > > If Hanumanji had Rah in Virgo, the age difference between them > > would > > > be no less than 13 yrs (Rah takes approx. 18 months to change > > signs). > > > > > > If Hanumanji had Jup in Saggi, in 13 yrs (+/- 1 yr), the transit > > Jup > > > should be either in Capricorn or Saggi or in Scorpio. However, > > there > > > is no possibility of it being in Cancer. > > > > > > If we take the position of Saturn in Aquarius, it would take it > to > > > reach Libra in no less than 20 years. > > > > > > There are some other data that might be useful. > > > > > > During the setubandhan Hanuman was undergoing Sade-sati. So > > > obviously we was around 30 years then. > > > > > > We may expect Sri Ram also around to be of the same age, not > more > > > than 2-3 years of difference with Hanumanji, the latter being > > older. > > > > > > I may be getting the whole picture wrong, so please feel free to > > > correct me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Ganesh: > > > > > > > > I think the position of Sun should be in Sagittarius as we > > > generally > > > > celebrate Hanumath Jayanthi in Margasirsh Moola nakshatra > > > (Amavasya) > > > > is it not? > > > > > > > > But, otherwise, the planetary placements are the same as the > > ones > > > in a > > > > chart that is in my possession from some reference. I also > did > > > not > > > > post it mainly due to lack of authenticity of the horoscope. > > > > > > > > It is good that you have posted it for the consideration of > > > members of > > > > this group. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> " on the web. > > > > * > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology? > subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group "vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> " on the web. > > * > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Souvik, Namaskar Thanks for presenting the story. I had read it a few times already, but only this time did i realize that the conception time of Hanuman, Sri Rama, Laxman and Bharat, would be very similar. See part of the fruit/prasad that Dasarathas queens were supposed to eat came to Anjana. Thus it is very likely that the conception time of all four could be very much the same! If so then Hanuman and Rama could be the same age. Seems very likely doesn’t it? Then presumably everything will be the same as Sri Ramas chart except the Lagna, Tithi and Nakshatra. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan ] 07 January 2006 19:06 To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">Dear Vistiji, No I have not ruled that possibility either. I found this post which says that Hanuman is born of the same payasa that the wives of Dasharatha had. Hanuman By Sri D.Ramkissoon B.A. (Hons) The Legend : The Origin Sri Hanumanji is an incarnation of Lord Siva. Brihaspati (the preceptor of the gods) had an attendant by the name of Punjikasthala who was cursed to assume the body of a female monkey. The curse was to be removed on her giving birth to an incarnation of Lord Siva. Accordingly, she was born as Anjana and, together with her husband Kesari (so named on account of his being as brave as a lion), lived a life of chastity and purity. She performed intense Tapasya (austerities) for a great many years, during which period she worshipped Lord Siva who being pleased with her granted her a boon. She asked that He (Lord Siva) be born to her so that she may be freed from the curse. When Dasaratha, the king of Ayodhya was given the sacred payasa (pudding) by Agnideva to share among his wives so that they may have divine children (Ram, Lakshmana, Bharata and Shatrughna), by divine ordinance, a bird (kite) snatched a fragment of that pudding and, whilst flying over the forest, dropped it where Anjana was engaged in worship. Pavandev (the deity presiding over the wind) delivered that fragment of pudding to the outstretched hands of Anjana who immediately swallowed it. With that grace, she, in due course, gave birth to Hanumanji. Thus we find that Lord Siva incarnated as Hanumanji in the bodily form of a monkey through the grace and blessings of his god-father Pavandev, with Anjana and Kesari as his earthly parents. Moreover, I found the following about the Nakshatra Swati: Swati nakshatra Swati nakshatra (Bootis or Arcturus) Spread from 6:40' to 20: Tula. Lord is Sukra, the deity is the Wind and because of this latter factor this causes the attributes of the Wind. Restlessness of disposition or physical restlessness, inability to stay still at any place comes from it; also fidgetiness and noise. It is self-assured and asserting. The winds (Murut) are the Lords of North-West. The 49 of them under the `Paban', of all Gods he is the strongest and most obstinate. From these are derived the knowledge, the physical internal adjustments of the 5 Winds - Pan, Apan, Vyan, Udan and Saman. Also from this comes the storms and the whirl-wind, the concrete disturbance of the atmosphere, A person born under this star is good at buying and selling, his wealth and property come and go quite easily. He is an independent sort of man, always striving for more independence. Asceticism is yet another attribute of this star. Diseases of the wind are to be treated in reference to this . The Wind is the great scavenger, it sweats the dross and purifies. The winnowing of rice bears comparison to this. Those born in the star Swati are wise, witty and learned. They are religious and pleasant minded. They are endowed with the body of kingly symbols, bright and handsome and loved by their wives. They perform religious works, truthful, experts in transactions, sexy, givers and learned. They are obedient, lovers of pious people, experts in architecture and sculpture, stingy and respect gods and brahmins. They help others, daring, long lived, large eyed, kind, famous, lovers of relatives and friends, independent, eat optimum food, and followers of their own religion. I also found that the muhurta just after sunrise is Rudra muhurta. So, this does establish the fact that Sun was in Aries in Lagna and Moon in Libra in 7th. Well still searching for other references for other planet positions. Thanks Souvik vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Souvik, Namaskar > > Why not the same year? And how do you know that he isn't younger than Sri > Rama? > > Point is that we need a much clearer reference to his birth first. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > 07 January 2006 14:15 > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > Thanks for these pointers. No I did not guess anything, rather I > myself am searching for this answer. > > A few members of this groups suggested the horoscope(with Aries > rising) and I was validating the theory with the birth details of > Sri Ram, thats it. > > Thank you very much for educating me on the rule of Saturn > retrogression. I was unaware of this. > > Yes, the details suggested by you sounds good. > > I am desparately looking for an age difference between Sri Ram and > Hanumanji. > > Yes, the sade-sadi during setu bandhan reference is on this. > > > So, will it be reasonable to say the following: > Lagna-Aries > Sun-Aries > Mon-Libra > > Now, if Sun was in Aries for Hanumanji and Sri Ram, can we say that > their birth year differences could be whole numbers like 1 or 2 yrs? > > If that be so, Rah could be in Scorpio or Libra for Hanumanji. > > Your views will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > > - > My first mail to the group on this issue is below: > Dear members, > > I have been trying to get the birth details (and thereby horoscope) > of Hanuman for a long time but in vain. > > However, I have the following ideas and would like to know the view > of the esteemed members of this group: > 1. Hanuman was elder to Sri Ram but I am not sure on the number of > years, could it be around 7-8 years? Any views? > 2. I have heard from some source, not very reliable I guess, that > Hanuman was born on Shukla Chaitra? Is this understanding correct? > 3. The event that he is more known by his mother and was educated by > Surya in his childhood would thereby place Sun in Aries in 4th. > making Capricorn Lagna. Mars should be in Lagna, Moon in 10th. in > Libra. > 4. Taking into consideration the fact that he was hit by Indra in > his early years, I could place Jup in Lagna. > > Could anyone guide me with my study on Sri Ram bhakt Hanuman's chart? > > Sri Ram's chart is very popular but Hanuman's chart could be a great > study as well. > > Thanks > > Souvik > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Souvik, Namaskar > > > > Saturn goes retrograde once a year, when the Sun visits the fifth, > sixth, > > seventh, eighth and ninth house from him in transit. So why did > you add +2 > > years for retrogression? > > > > I searched online and many sources are saying that Hanuman was > born at > > sunrise in a cave. Sunrise itself is considered Rudra-ghati, which > adds up > > as Hanuman is considered an incarnation of Rudra. The Sun in > lagna/seventh > > in mesha or thula, also confirms the dictum that he was without a > parent > > whilst growing up. So the birth during Chaitra-Purnima is > definite, putting > > Sun in the lagna and moon in the seventh house. > > > > > > > > Now if Sade Sati occured for Hanuman whilst he was in Lanka, that > would mean > > that Sri Rama was undergoing a Saturn return at that time, making > him 27½ - > > 32½ years old. This adds up with the 14 year period of exhile for > Sri Rama > > between 23-37 years of age. > > > > > > > > The stories indicate that his mother left for svarga loka early in > his > > childhood, and the birth in a cave, also requires very specific > > combinations, so from this we should be able to estimate a > reasonable chart. > > > > > > > > How did you estimate the position of the nodes for Sri Hanumanji? > Did you > > just guess or do you have a legitamate reason? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > > 07 January 2006 01:00 > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > I would like to apologize for my incorrect calculations yesterday. > > > > On re-visiting this issue, I found the following: > > > > If we estimate a difference of age of approx. 22 years i.e. > > Hanumanji being 22 yrs older than Sri Ram, we can estbalish the > > truth of the chart at hand: > > > > Hanumanji: > > Rah in Virgo, In around 22.5 yrs, it would be in Saggi > > Jup in Saggi, In around 21 yrs, it would be in Cancer > > Saturn in Aquarius, In around 20 + years in would be in Libra and > > can go retro in 22 + years. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing this information. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" > > <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > I am a learner so please excuse and correct my mistakes. > > > > > > However, I feel this data seems to be incorrect. > > > > > > My reasoning: > > > > > > Sri Ram had: > > > Rahu in Saggi > > > Jupiter in Cancer > > > > > > If Hanumanji had Rah in Virgo, the age difference between them > > would > > > be no less than 13 yrs (Rah takes approx. 18 months to change > > signs). > > > > > > If Hanumanji had Jup in Saggi, in 13 yrs (+/- 1 yr), the transit > > Jup > > > should be either in Capricorn or Saggi or in Scorpio. However, > > there > > > is no possibility of it being in Cancer. > > > > > > If we take the position of Saturn in Aquarius, it would take it > to > > > reach Libra in no less than 20 years. > > > > > > There are some other data that might be useful. > > > > > > During the setubandhan Hanuman was undergoing Sade-sati. So > > > obviously we was around 30 years then. > > > > > > We may expect Sri Ram also around to be of the same age, not > more > > > than 2-3 years of difference with Hanumanji, the latter being > > older. > > > > > > I may be getting the whole picture wrong, so please feel free to > > > correct me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Ganesh: > > > > > > > > I think the position of Sun should be in Sagittarius as we > > > generally > > > > celebrate Hanumath Jayanthi in Margasirsh Moola nakshatra > > > (Amavasya) > > > > is it not? > > > > > > > > But, otherwise, the planetary placements are the same as the > > ones > > > in a > > > > chart that is in my possession from some reference. I also > did > > > not > > > > post it mainly due to lack of authenticity of the horoscope. > > > > > > > > It is good that you have posted it for the consideration of > > > members of > > > > this group. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> " on the web. > > > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology? > subject=Un> > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group "vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> " on the web. > > * To from this group, send an email to: > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > * Your use of is subject to the > <> Terms of Service. > > > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Dear Vistiji, Thanks for participating with me in this discussion and giving me guidance thereof. Regards, Souvik vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Souvik, Namaskar > > Thanks for presenting the story. I had read it a few times already, but only > this time did i realize that the conception time of Hanuman, Sri Rama, > Laxman and Bharat, would be very similar. See part of the fruit/prasad that > Dasarathas queens were supposed to eat came to Anjana. > > Thus it is very likely that the conception time of all four could be very > much the same! If so then Hanuman and Rama could be the same age. Seems very > likely doesn't it? Then presumably everything will be the same as Sri Ramas > chart except the Lagna, Tithi and Nakshatra. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > 07 January 2006 19:06 > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > No I have not ruled that possibility either. > > I found this post which says that Hanuman is born of the same payasa > that the wives of Dasharatha had. > > Hanuman > By Sri D.Ramkissoon B.A. (Hons) > > The Legend : The Origin > > Sri Hanumanji is an incarnation of Lord Siva. > > Brihaspati (the preceptor of the gods) had an attendant by the name > of Punjikasthala who was cursed to assume the body of a female > monkey. The curse was to be removed on her giving birth to an > incarnation of Lord Siva. Accordingly, she was born as Anjana and, > together with her husband Kesari (so named on account of his being > as brave as a lion), lived a life of chastity and purity. She > performed intense Tapasya (austerities) for a great many years, > during which period she worshipped Lord Siva who being pleased with > her granted her a boon. She asked that He (Lord Siva) be born to her > so that she may be freed from the curse. > > When Dasaratha, the king of Ayodhya was given the sacred payasa > (pudding) by Agnideva to share among his wives so that they may have > divine children (Ram, Lakshmana, Bharata and Shatrughna), by divine > ordinance, a bird (kite) snatched a fragment of that pudding and, > whilst flying over the forest, dropped it where Anjana was engaged > in worship. Pavandev (the deity presiding over the wind) delivered > that fragment of pudding to the outstretched hands of Anjana who > immediately swallowed it. With that grace, she, in due course, gave > birth to Hanumanji. Thus we find that Lord Siva incarnated as > Hanumanji in the bodily form of a monkey through the grace and > blessings of his god-father Pavandev, with Anjana and Kesari as his > earthly parents. > > Moreover, I found the following about the Nakshatra Swati: > Swati nakshatra > > Swati nakshatra (Bootis or Arcturus) Spread from 6:40' to 20: Tula. > Lord is Sukra, the deity is the Wind and because of this latter > factor this causes the attributes of the Wind. Restlessness of > disposition or physical restlessness, inability to stay still at any > place comes from it; also fidgetiness and noise. It is self- assured > and asserting. The winds (Murut) are the Lords of North-West. The 49 > of them under the `Paban', of all Gods he is the strongest and most > obstinate. From these are derived the knowledge, the physical > internal adjustments of the 5 Winds - Pan, Apan, Vyan, Udan and > Saman. Also from this comes the storms and the whirl-wind, the > concrete disturbance of the atmosphere, A person born under this > star is good at buying and selling, his wealth and property come and > go quite easily. He is an independent sort of man, always striving > for more independence. Asceticism is yet another attribute of this > star. Diseases of the wind are to be treated in reference to this . > The Wind is the great scavenger, it sweats the dross and purifies. > The winnowing of rice bears comparison to this. > > Those born in the star Swati are wise, witty and learned. They are > religious and pleasant minded. They are endowed with the body of > kingly symbols, bright and handsome and loved by their wives. They > perform religious works, truthful, experts in transactions, sexy, > givers and learned. They are obedient, lovers of pious people, > experts in architecture and sculpture, stingy and respect gods and > brahmins. They help others, daring, long lived, large eyed, kind, > famous, lovers of relatives and friends, independent, eat optimum > food, and followers of their own religion. > > > I also found that the muhurta just after sunrise is Rudra muhurta. > > So, this does establish the fact that Sun was in Aries in Lagna and > Moon in Libra in 7th. > > Well still searching for other references for other planet positions. > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Souvik, Namaskar > > > > Why not the same year? And how do you know that he isn't younger > than Sri > > Rama? > > > > Point is that we need a much clearer reference to his birth first. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > > 07 January 2006 14:15 > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Thanks for these pointers. No I did not guess anything, rather I > > myself am searching for this answer. > > > > A few members of this groups suggested the horoscope(with Aries > > rising) and I was validating the theory with the birth details of > > Sri Ram, thats it. > > > > Thank you very much for educating me on the rule of Saturn > > retrogression. I was unaware of this. > > > > Yes, the details suggested by you sounds good. > > > > I am desparately looking for an age difference between Sri Ram and > > Hanumanji. > > > > Yes, the sade-sadi during setu bandhan reference is on this. > > > > > > So, will it be reasonable to say the following: > > Lagna-Aries > > Sun-Aries > > Mon-Libra > > > > Now, if Sun was in Aries for Hanumanji and Sri Ram, can we say > that > > their birth year differences could be whole numbers like 1 or 2 > yrs? > > > > If that be so, Rah could be in Scorpio or Libra for Hanumanji. > > > > Your views will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > - > > My first mail to the group on this issue is below: > > Dear members, > > > > I have been trying to get the birth details (and thereby horoscope) > > of Hanuman for a long time but in vain. > > > > However, I have the following ideas and would like to know the view > > of the esteemed members of this group: > > 1. Hanuman was elder to Sri Ram but I am not sure on the number of > > years, could it be around 7-8 years? Any views? > > 2. I have heard from some source, not very reliable I guess, that > > Hanuman was born on Shukla Chaitra? Is this understanding correct? > > 3. The event that he is more known by his mother and was educated > by > > Surya in his childhood would thereby place Sun in Aries in 4th. > > making Capricorn Lagna. Mars should be in Lagna, Moon in 10th. in > > Libra. > > 4. Taking into consideration the fact that he was hit by Indra in > > his early years, I could place Jup in Lagna. > > > > Could anyone guide me with my study on Sri Ram bhakt Hanuman's > chart? > > > > Sri Ram's chart is very popular but Hanuman's chart could be a > great > > study as well. > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > <visti@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Souvik, Namaskar > > > > > > Saturn goes retrograde once a year, when the Sun visits the > fifth, > > sixth, > > > seventh, eighth and ninth house from him in transit. So why did > > you add +2 > > > years for retrogression? > > > > > > I searched online and many sources are saying that Hanuman was > > born at > > > sunrise in a cave. Sunrise itself is considered Rudra-ghati, > which > > adds up > > > as Hanuman is considered an incarnation of Rudra. The Sun in > > lagna/seventh > > > in mesha or thula, also confirms the dictum that he was without > a > > parent > > > whilst growing up. So the birth during Chaitra-Purnima is > > definite, putting > > > Sun in the lagna and moon in the seventh house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if Sade Sati occured for Hanuman whilst he was in Lanka, > that > > would mean > > > that Sri Rama was undergoing a Saturn return at that time, > making > > him 27½ - > > > 32½ years old. This adds up with the 14 year period of exhile > for > > Sri Rama > > > between 23-37 years of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > The stories indicate that his mother left for svarga loka early > in > > his > > > childhood, and the birth in a cave, also requires very specific > > > combinations, so from this we should be able to estimate a > > reasonable chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > How did you estimate the position of the nodes for Sri > Hanumanji? > > Did you > > > just guess or do you have a legitamate reason? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > <http://astrovisti.com> > > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > > > 07 January 2006 01:00 > > > vedic astrology > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Hanuman and Sri Ramchandra > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > I would like to apologize for my incorrect calculations > yesterday. > > > > > > On re-visiting this issue, I found the following: > > > > > > If we estimate a difference of age of approx. 22 years i.e. > > > Hanumanji being 22 yrs older than Sri Ram, we can estbalish the > > > truth of the chart at hand: > > > > > > Hanumanji: > > > Rah in Virgo, In around 22.5 yrs, it would be in Saggi > > > Jup in Saggi, In around 21 yrs, it would be in Cancer > > > Saturn in Aquarius, In around 20 + years in would be in Libra > and > > > can go retro in 22 + years. > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing this information. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" > > > <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > I am a learner so please excuse and correct my mistakes. > > > > > > > > However, I feel this data seems to be incorrect. > > > > > > > > My reasoning: > > > > > > > > Sri Ram had: > > > > Rahu in Saggi > > > > Jupiter in Cancer > > > > > > > > If Hanumanji had Rah in Virgo, the age difference between them > > > would > > > > be no less than 13 yrs (Rah takes approx. 18 months to change > > > signs). > > > > > > > > If Hanumanji had Jup in Saggi, in 13 yrs (+/- 1 yr), the > transit > > > Jup > > > > should be either in Capricorn or Saggi or in Scorpio. However, > > > there > > > > is no possibility of it being in Cancer. > > > > > > > > If we take the position of Saturn in Aquarius, it would take > it > > to > > > > reach Libra in no less than 20 years. > > > > > > > > There are some other data that might be useful. > > > > > > > > During the setubandhan Hanuman was undergoing Sade-sati. So > > > > obviously we was around 30 years then. > > > > > > > > We may expect Sri Ram also around to be of the same age, not > > more > > > > than 2-3 years of difference with Hanumanji, the latter being > > > older. > > > > > > > > I may be getting the whole picture wrong, so please feel free > to > > > > correct me. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Ganesh: > > > > > > > > > > I think the position of Sun should be in Sagittarius as we > > > > generally > > > > > celebrate Hanumath Jayanthi in Margasirsh Moola nakshatra > > > > (Amavasya) > > > > > is it not? > > > > > > > > > > But, otherwise, the planetary placements are the same as the > > > ones > > > > in a > > > > > chart that is in my possession from some reference. I also > > did > > > > not > > > > > post it mainly due to lack of authenticity of the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > It is good that you have posted it for the consideration of > > > > members of > > > > > this group. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... 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