Combinations of People cheating others???/Shri Rafal

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Dear Pradeep,

 

I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity, with Guru-Sisya Yoga in

Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's) exalted in Lagna. I am pretty

satisfied by the Parampara I am following. I am very indebted to my Guruji and

Param Guru - Sanjay Rath. From my faith the hope is arising. I dont like this

Rahu (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter (analyzing / forums / research

withouth Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me.

 

Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by Jupiter-Ketu (parampara).

Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in their Shastyamsas.

 

good luck

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

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vedic astrology

Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating others???/Shri Rafal

Dear shri Rafel

Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication towards this divine

subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to check the basics and see if

houses/aspects are allowed for amsha groupings.Do you think just for the

support of our learning,(without classical base or misunderstanding of

classics),we can ignore basic questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer

from your Guru regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.

My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To tell you

honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not amshas) that rises in

the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then an attribute of this

Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed similar to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is

a subtle quality and influence of/on the one and only one LAGNA.

Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible distance.Visibility

between these can be understood by gross factors like distance/angle

etc.Suppose you want to see a particular room within an apartment.Can you see

all the rooms in an apartment from where you sit?.No.But assume that you have a

video/telephone link with a particular room.You then have a sambandha,with that

rooom.This sambandha cannot be understood using distance/angle visibility

parameters.It is through a seperate channel altogether.Similarly Navamshas show

how a bhava lord or a planet is connected to another through a vital Prana.

Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and represents 12 organs as well

as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a particular plane to understand the

subtle nature of the above said 12 bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't

take us anywhere.

For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We should understand

the importance of pranas,while studying navamsha.Miles and Miles to go,but

only if we are prepared.

I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it has to happen one

day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating false

understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

RegdsPradeepvedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

<starsuponme@w...> wrote:>> Dear Pramod,> > Example 1:> > August 14,

1985> Time: 8:54:00> Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50

N 16' 10"> > This person was cheating many women and was involved in many>

scandalous activities. > > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets

generally indicate lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second house.

This constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL and this will be his

way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by Rahu as Rahu is lord of eleventh,

exalts in third and have moolitkrona in sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic

in sixth from AL can indicate thief (Parasara) and can indicate illegal means

of action. He will be provoker.> > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house -

very often combination for adultery.> > (3) Moon and Mercury along

Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 - common yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart.

> > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore could not prevent

for this action> > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).> >

(6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.> > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava

- shad ripu.> > Example 2:> > May 31, 1986> Time: 16:55:01> Time Zone:

2:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"> > Person has again

Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in Lagna(Kapata Yoga).> > Rahu is in

seventh house - so some scandal would be there in relations, its third from AL

therefore He will be provoking this. Mars in third (eleventh from AL - illegal

means) is influencing Karma-Yoga in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona therefore this

will be his action mainly. > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened

by Rahu giving Guru-Chandala Yoga.> > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in

sixth bhava and Rahu is in tenth from. > > Hope it helps,> > Regards> Rafal

Gendarz> > > > > > > > > > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > ----- Original Message

----- > Pramod B.V. > vedic astrology > Friday,

December 23, 2005 8:06 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of

People cheating others???> > > Hi all,> > Thanks for all the detailed

information.> It would be fine if there are any examples of such horoscopes if

you have already come across.> > Regards> Pramod.> > > On 12/23/05, Rafal

Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote: > Dear Amer,> > Upachaya lords should be in

Kroora-Avasthas.> Beside this study Kapata Yoga.> > Regards> Rafal Gendarz > >

> > - > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...> To:

vedic astrology> Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM >

[vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating others???> > > >

Dear Imran> >> > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on such an

imp> > topic.> >> > Best regards > >> > Amer> >> > --- In

vedic astrology, "M.Imran" < astroimran> > wrote:> >>> >>

Dear Pramod,> >>> >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may

make the> > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas > >

individually may cause misleading results. So better is to understand> > the

mechanism behind it.> >>> >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses

with respect to> > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic

> > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).> >>> >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas

are ranked Sattvic> >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic> >>

3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic > >>> >> Similarly

amongst planets;> >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic> >> Venus and Mercury

are Rajjasic> >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic> >>> >> When tamu grahas

(Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic bhavas and/ > > or sattvic grahas (Sun,

Moon, Jup) then a native naturally inclines> > towards corruption, cheating,

ignorance, and unethical activities.> > Here ones innerself is better portrayed

by planets when reckoned from > > langa rather AL.> >>> >> Similarly check the

cummulative strength of group of Sattavic,> > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as

well houses.> >>> >> M. Imran> >>> >> > >>> >> "Pramod B.V."

pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,> >>> >>> >> What are the Planetary

combinations of a Good person cheating> > others.?? Because in this present

world its difficult to believe > > anyone> >> Good friends try to cheat the

other and drive them to courts and> > own husband try to cheat his wife and so

on.> >>> >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with self. It > >

shows the how the native is perceived in the material world. It shows> > the

status of the native.> >>> >> Can Arudha Lagna and planets from arudha lagna

also answer whether> > the person is really humble and doesnt have any cheating

mindsets?? > >> Also, which planetary combinations in which houses really

signify> > this behaviour.??> >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main cause

for these sort of> > things.> >>> >> Please explain in detail. > >>> >>

Regards> >> Pramod.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Archives:

vedic astrology> >>> >> Group info:

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Dear Shri Rafel

 

It is great that you have faith in Gurus.This quality is a must,but that doesnt

mean,your Guru will spoon feed all that is needed.If a sishya has false

understanding ,it is not a problem of Guru.Guru can deliver True knowledge only

upon true quest.That is the beauty of knowledge.

 

I am also very fortunate to note how you are countering classical astrology and

elementary ,questions(Base zero in the language of shri Sanjayrath).Instead of

attempting the fundamental questions,you resort to -Rahu/Mercury without

Jupiter- kind of evasive approach.What is the special shasthra that you are

having and unavailable to the rest of the astrological world.

 

Is this approach also being taught as part of parampara.

 

Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas like VarahamIhira did not

have Jupiter-Ketu or Parampara.Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri, who wrote dashadhyayi,

too was unfortunate to have this Jupiter-Ketu in shashtyamsha.All these saints

were at loss as they never knew about houses in vargas.

 

I can only pray that - one day a student of yours,may ask these questions - and

the very Rishis that you have quoted will ,be kind enough to ignite wisdom and

thereby restoration of True Knowledge.As you have already made up your mind,i am

not going to engage with you,unless there is a rethink in the future.

 

I will continue my humble effort within my limitations - Bhagawan Ramachandra

was buliding the bridge, and a squirrel too was trying to help.

 

Best Regards

 

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity, with Guru-Sisya Yoga

in Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's) exalted in Lagna. I am pretty

satisfied by the Parampara I am following. I am very indebted to my Guruji and

Param Guru - Sanjay Rath. From my faith the hope is arising. I dont like this

Rahu (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter (analyzing / forums / research

withouth Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me.

>

> Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by Jupiter-Ketu

(parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in their Shastyamsas.

>

> good luck

>

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

> -

> vijayadas_pradeep

> vedic astrology

> Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating others???/Shri

Rafal

>

>

> Dear shri Rafel

>

> Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication towards this divine

subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to check the basics and see if

houses/aspects are allowed for amsha groupings.Do you think just for the support

of our learning,(without classical base or misunderstanding of classics),we can

ignore basic questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer from your Guru

regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.

>

> My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To tell you

honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

>

> Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not amshas) that rises in

the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then an attribute of this

Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed similar to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is

a subtle quality and influence of/on the one and only one LAGNA.

>

> Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible distance.Visibility

between these can be understood by gross factors like distance/angle etc.

> Suppose you want to see a particular room within an apartment.Can you see all

the rooms in an apartment from where you sit?.No.But assume that you have a

video/telephone link with a particular room.You then have a sambandha,with that

rooom.This sambandha cannot be understood using distance/angle visibility

parameters.It is through a seperate channel altogether.Similarly Navamshas show

how a bhava lord or a planet is connected to another through a vital Prana.

>

> Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and represents 12 organs as

well as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a particular plane to understand the

subtle nature of the above said 12 bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't

take us anywhere.

>

> For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We should

understand the importance of pranas,while studying navamsha.Miles and Miles to

go,but only if we are prepared.

>

>

> I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it has to happen one

day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

>

>

> If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating false

understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

> vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme@w...

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pramod,

> >

> > Example 1:

> >

> > August 14, 1985

> > Time: 8:54:00

> > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"

> >

> > This person was cheating many women and was involved in many

> > scandalous activities.

> >

> > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets generally indicate

lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second house. This constitue

also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL and this will be his way of reaction.

Upachaya's are dominated by Rahu as Rahu is lord of eleventh, exalts in third

and have moolitkrona in sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL

can indicate thief (Parasara) and can indicate illegal means of action. He will

be provoker.

> >

> > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often combination for

adultery.

> >

> > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 - common yoga for

adultery found in Clinton's chart.

> >

> > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore could not prevent

for this action

> >

> > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).

> >

> > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

> >

> > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.

> >

> > Example 2:

> >

> > May 31, 1986

> > Time: 16:55:01

> > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"

> >

> > Person has again Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in Lagna(Kapata Yoga).

> >

> > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there in relations, its

third from AL therefore He will be provoking this. Mars in third (eleventh from

AL - illegal means) is influencing Karma-Yoga in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona

therefore this will be his action mainly.

> >

> > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu giving Guru-Chandala

Yoga.

> >

> > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in sixth bhava and Rahu is in tenth

from.

> >

> > Hope it helps,

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> > -

> > Pramod B.V.

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating others???

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Thanks for all the detailed information.

> > It would be fine if there are any examples of such horoscopes if you have

already come across.

> >

> > Regards

> > Pramod.

> >

> >

> > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > Dear Amer,

> >

> > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.

> > Beside this study Kapata Yoga.

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating others???

> >

> >

> > > Dear Imran

> > >

> > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on such an imp

> > > topic.

> > >

> > > Best regards

> > >

> > > Amer

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "M.Imran" < astroimran

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Pramod,

> > >>

> > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may make the

> > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas

> > > individually may cause misleading results. So better is to understand

> > > the mechanism behind it.

> > >>

> > >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses with respect to

> > > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic

> > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).

> > >>

> > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic

> > >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

> > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic

> > >>

> > >> Similarly amongst planets;

> > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic

> > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic

> > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic

> > >>

> > >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic bhavas and/

> > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native naturally inclines

> > > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical activities.

> > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when reckoned from

> > > langa rather AL.

> > >>

> > >> Similarly check the cummulative strength of group of Sattavic,

> > > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as well houses.

> > >>

> > >> M. Imran

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person cheating

> > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to believe

> > > anyone

> > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to courts and

> > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so on.

> > >>

> > >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with self. It

> > > shows the how the native is perceived in the material world. It shows

> > > the status of the native.

> > >>

> > >> Can Arudha Lagna and planets from arudha lagna also answer whether

> > > the person is really humble and doesnt have any cheating mindsets??

> > >> Also, which planetary combinations in which houses really signify

> > > this behaviour.??

> > >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main cause for these sort of

> > > things.

> > >>

> > >> Please explain in detail.

> > >>

> > >> Regards

> > >> Pramod.

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Dear Pradeep,

 

(1) I dont like Your mood in Your mail to me.

 

> Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas like VarahamIhira did

> not have Jupiter-Ketu or Parampara.Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri, who wrote

> dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have this Jupiter-Ketu in

> shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as they never knew about houses

> in vargas.

 

(a) "Jupiter-Ketu" was only symbol/phrase. Of course there are other strict

combination in D-60 connected to Ketu and dispositor, and all this great

Rsis must have this without doubt. All this saints knew the Bhavas and

Vargas as they are the basis.

 

I dont like to discuss further in this mood.

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

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> vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...>

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Pradeep,

>>

>> I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity, with Guru-Sisya

>> Yoga in Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's) exalted in Lagna. I

>> am pretty satisfied by the Parampara I am following. I am very indebted

>> to my Guruji and Param Guru - Sanjay Rath. From my faith the hope is

>> arising. I dont like this Rahu (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter

>> (analyzing / forums / research withouth Sastras) approach so please dont

>> bend this on me.

>>

>> Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by Jupiter-Ketu

>> (parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in their Shastyamsas.

>>

>> good luck

>>

>> Regards

>> Rafal Gendarz

>>

>> -

>> vijayadas_pradeep

>> vedic astrology

>> Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM

>> [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

>> others???/Shri Rafal

>>

>>

>> Dear shri Rafel

>>

>> Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication towards this

>> divine subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to check the basics

>> and see if houses/aspects are allowed for amsha groupings.Do you think

>> just for the support of our learning,(without classical base or

>> misunderstanding of classics),we can ignore basic questions.Did you get

>> any satisfactory answer from your Guru regarding such.If yes kindly share

>> with us.

>>

>> My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

>> books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To tell you

>> honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

>>

>> Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not amshas) that

>> rises in the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then an attribute

>> of this Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed similar to

>> sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle quality and influence of/on the one

>> and only one LAGNA.

>>

>> Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible distance.Visibility

>> between these can be understood by gross factors like distance/angle etc.

>> Suppose you want to see a particular room within an apartment.Can you see

>> all the rooms in an apartment from where you sit?.No.But assume that you

>> have a video/telephone link with a particular room.You then have a

>> sambandha,with that rooom.This sambandha cannot be understood using

>> distance/angle visibility parameters.It is through a seperate channel

>> altogether.Similarly Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a planet is

>> connected to another through a vital Prana.

>>

>> Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and represents 12 organs

>> as well as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a particular plane to

>> understand the subtle nature of the above said 12 bhavas/lords.Using

>> gross scales/tools won't take us anywhere.

>>

>> For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We should

>> understand the importance of pranas,while studying navamsha.Miles and

>> Miles to go,but only if we are prepared.

>>

>>

>> I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it has to happen

>> one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

>>

>>

>> If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating false

>> understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

>>

>> Regds

>> Pradeep

>> vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme@w...

>> wrote:

>> >

>> > Dear Pramod,

>> >

>> > Example 1:

>> >

>> > August 14, 1985

>> > Time: 8:54:00

>> > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

>> > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"

>> >

>> > This person was cheating many women and was involved in many

>> > scandalous activities.

>> >

>> > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets generally indicate

>> > lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second house. This

>> > constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL and this will be

>> > his way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by Rahu as Rahu is lord

>> > of eleventh, exalts in third and have moolitkrona in sixth hous of

>> > natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL can indicate thief (Parasara)

>> > and can indicate illegal means of action. He will be provoker.

>> >

>> > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often combination for

>> > adultery.

>> >

>> > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 - common yoga for

>> > adultery found in Clinton's chart.

>> >

>> > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore could not

>> > prevent for this action

>> >

>> > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).

>> >

>> > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

>> >

>> > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.

>> >

>> > Example 2:

>> >

>> > May 31, 1986

>> > Time: 16:55:01

>> > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

>> > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"

>> >

>> > Person has again Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in Lagna(Kapata

>> > Yoga).

>> >

>> > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there in relations,

>> > its third from AL therefore He will be provoking this. Mars in third

>> > (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing Karma-Yoga in D-3 and

>> > Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be his action mainly.

>> >

>> > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu giving

>> > Guru-Chandala Yoga.

>> >

>> > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in sixth bhava and Rahu is in

>> > tenth from.

>> >

>> > Hope it helps,

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > Rafal Gendarz

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > Rafal Gendarz

>> >

>> > -

>> > Pramod B.V.

>> > vedic astrology

>> > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

>> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

>> > others???

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi all,

>> >

>> > Thanks for all the detailed information.

>> > It would be fine if there are any examples of such horoscopes if you

>> > have already come across.

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > Pramod.

>> >

>> >

>> > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote:

>> > Dear Amer,

>> >

>> > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.

>> > Beside this study Kapata Yoga.

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > Rafal Gendarz

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > -

>> > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...

>> > vedic astrology

>> > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM

>> > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

>> > others???

>> >

>> >

>> > > Dear Imran

>> > >

>> > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on such an imp

>> > > topic.

>> > >

>> > > Best regards

>> > >

>> > > Amer

>> > >

>> > > vedic astrology, "M.Imran" < astroimran

>> > > wrote:

>> > >>

>> > >> Dear Pramod,

>> > >>

>> > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may make the

>> > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas

>> > > individually may cause misleading results. So better is to understand

>> > > the mechanism behind it.

>> > >>

>> > >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses with respect to

>> > > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic

>> > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).

>> > >>

>> > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic

>> > >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

>> > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic

>> > >>

>> > >> Similarly amongst planets;

>> > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic

>> > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic

>> > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic

>> > >>

>> > >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic bhavas and/

>> > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native naturally inclines

>> > > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical activities.

>> > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when reckoned from

>> > > langa rather AL.

>> > >>

>> > >> Similarly check the cummulative strength of group of Sattavic,

>> > > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as well houses.

>> > >>

>> > >> M. Imran

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person cheating

>> > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to believe

>> > > anyone

>> > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to courts and

>> > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so on.

>> > >>

>> > >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with self. It

>> > > shows the how the native is perceived in the material world. It shows

>> > > the status of the native.

>> > >>

>> > >> Can Arudha Lagna and planets from arudha lagna also answer whether

>> > > the person is really humble and doesnt have any cheating mindsets??

>> > >> Also, which planetary combinations in which houses really signify

>> > > this behaviour.??

>> > >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main cause for these sort of

>> > > things.

>> > >>

>> > >> Please explain in detail.

>> > >>

>> > >> Regards

>> > >> Pramod.

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT)

>> > > com

>> > >>

>> > >> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>> > >>

>> > >> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

>> > >>

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>> > >> vedic astrology

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Rafel

 

When questions are being asked we cannot counter them with rahu/mercury/jupiter

and jupiter-ketu and all.When we answer basic questions -the issue is

settled.The sarcastic mood was thrust upon me,through your preconceived

notion.You have already made up your mind.But to be honest -the intentions are

pure and hope you will realize this one day.

 

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> (1) I dont like Your mood in Your mail to me.

>

> > Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas like VarahamIhira did

> > not have Jupiter-Ketu or Parampara.Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri, who wrote

> > dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have this Jupiter-Ketu in

> > shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as they never knew about houses

> > in vargas.

>

> (a) "Jupiter-Ketu" was only symbol/phrase. Of course there are other strict

> combination in D-60 connected to Ketu and dispositor, and all this great

> Rsis must have this without doubt. All this saints knew the Bhavas and

> Vargas as they are the basis.

>

> I dont like to discuss further in this mood.

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

>

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme@w...

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Pradeep,

> >>

> >> I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity, with Guru-Sisya

> >> Yoga in Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's) exalted in Lagna. I

> >> am pretty satisfied by the Parampara I am following. I am very indebted

> >> to my Guruji and Param Guru - Sanjay Rath. From my faith the hope is

> >> arising. I dont like this Rahu (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter

> >> (analyzing / forums / research withouth Sastras) approach so please dont

> >> bend this on me.

> >>

> >> Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by Jupiter-Ketu

> >> (parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in their Shastyamsas.

> >>

> >> good luck

> >>

> >> Regards

> >> Rafal Gendarz

> >>

> >> -

> >> vijayadas_pradeep

> >> vedic astrology

> >> Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM

> >> [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

> >> others???/Shri Rafal

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear shri Rafel

> >>

> >> Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication towards this

> >> divine subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to check the basics

> >> and see if houses/aspects are allowed for amsha groupings.Do you think

> >> just for the support of our learning,(without classical base or

> >> misunderstanding of classics),we can ignore basic questions.Did you get

> >> any satisfactory answer from your Guru regarding such.If yes kindly share

> >> with us.

> >>

> >> My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

> >> books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To tell you

> >> honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

> >>

> >> Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not amshas) that

> >> rises in the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then an attribute

> >> of this Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed similar to

> >> sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle quality and influence of/on the one

> >> and only one LAGNA.

> >>

> >> Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible distance.Visibility

> >> between these can be understood by gross factors like distance/angle etc.

> >> Suppose you want to see a particular room within an apartment.Can you see

> >> all the rooms in an apartment from where you sit?.No.But assume that you

> >> have a video/telephone link with a particular room.You then have a

> >> sambandha,with that rooom.This sambandha cannot be understood using

> >> distance/angle visibility parameters.It is through a seperate channel

> >> altogether.Similarly Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a planet is

> >> connected to another through a vital Prana.

> >>

> >> Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and represents 12 organs

> >> as well as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a particular plane to

> >> understand the subtle nature of the above said 12 bhavas/lords.Using

> >> gross scales/tools won't take us anywhere.

> >>

> >> For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We should

> >> understand the importance of pranas,while studying navamsha.Miles and

> >> Miles to go,but only if we are prepared.

> >>

> >>

> >> I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it has to happen

> >> one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

> >>

> >>

> >> If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating false

> >> understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

> >>

> >> Regds

> >> Pradeep

> >> vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme@w...

> >> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear Pramod,

> >> >

> >> > Example 1:

> >> >

> >> > August 14, 1985

> >> > Time: 8:54:00

> >> > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> >> > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"

> >> >

> >> > This person was cheating many women and was involved in many

> >> > scandalous activities.

> >> >

> >> > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets generally indicate

> >> > lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second house. This

> >> > constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL and this will be

> >> > his way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by Rahu as Rahu is lord

> >> > of eleventh, exalts in third and have moolitkrona in sixth hous of

> >> > natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL can indicate thief (Parasara)

> >> > and can indicate illegal means of action. He will be provoker.

> >> >

> >> > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often combination for

> >> > adultery.

> >> >

> >> > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 - common yoga for

> >> > adultery found in Clinton's chart.

> >> >

> >> > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore could not

> >> > prevent for this action

> >> >

> >> > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).

> >> >

> >> > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

> >> >

> >> > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.

> >> >

> >> > Example 2:

> >> >

> >> > May 31, 1986

> >> > Time: 16:55:01

> >> > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> >> > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"

> >> >

> >> > Person has again Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in Lagna(Kapata

> >> > Yoga).

> >> >

> >> > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there in relations,

> >> > its third from AL therefore He will be provoking this. Mars in third

> >> > (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing Karma-Yoga in D-3 and

> >> > Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be his action mainly.

> >> >

> >> > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu giving

> >> > Guru-Chandala Yoga.

> >> >

> >> > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in sixth bhava and Rahu is in

> >> > tenth from.

> >> >

> >> > Hope it helps,

> >> >

> >> > Regards

> >> > Rafal Gendarz

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Regards

> >> > Rafal Gendarz

> >> >

> >> > -

> >> > Pramod B.V.

> >> > vedic astrology

> >> > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

> >> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

> >> > others???

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Hi all,

> >> >

> >> > Thanks for all the detailed information.

> >> > It would be fine if there are any examples of such horoscopes if you

> >> > have already come across.

> >> >

> >> > Regards

> >> > Pramod.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote:

> >> > Dear Amer,

> >> >

> >> > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.

> >> > Beside this study Kapata Yoga.

> >> >

> >> > Regards

> >> > Rafal Gendarz

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > -

> >> > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...

> >> > vedic astrology

> >> > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM

> >> > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

> >> > others???

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > > Dear Imran

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on such an imp

> >> > > topic.

> >> > >

> >> > > Best regards

> >> > >

> >> > > Amer

> >> > >

> >> > > vedic astrology, "M.Imran" < astroimran

> >> > > wrote:

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Dear Pramod,

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may make the

> >> > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas

> >> > > individually may cause misleading results. So better is to understand

> >> > > the mechanism behind it.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses with respect to

> >> > > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic

> >> > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).

> >> > >>

> >> > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic

> >> > >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

> >> > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Similarly amongst planets;

> >> > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic

> >> > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic

> >> > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic

> >> > >>

> >> > >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic bhavas and/

> >> > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native naturally inclines

> >> > > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical activities.

> >> > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when reckoned from

> >> > > langa rather AL.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Similarly check the cummulative strength of group of Sattavic,

> >> > > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as well houses.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> M. Imran

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person cheating

> >> > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to believe

> >> > > anyone

> >> > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to courts and

> >> > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so on.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with self. It

> >> > > shows the how the native is perceived in the material world. It shows

> >> > > the status of the native.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Can Arudha Lagna and planets from arudha lagna also answer whether

> >> > > the person is really humble and doesnt have any cheating mindsets??

> >> > >> Also, which planetary combinations in which houses really signify

> >> > > this behaviour.??

> >> > >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main cause for these sort of

> >> > > things.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Please explain in detail.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Regards

> >> > >> Pramod.

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT)

> >> > > com

> >> > >>

> >> > >> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >> > >>

> >> > >> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

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Dear Pradeep

 

Whilst there is no doubt regarding your sound theoretical and

technical knowledge of Jyotish, I am yet to encounter a post where

you have actually applied it in any context (this includes the

Jyotish group too).

 

You seem to be on a mission to disprove the proposition of

divisional charts (which is bordering serious obsession), yet offer

no practical or empirical analysis to substantiate your stance.

 

Jyotish is an art as well as a science (not solely mathematics as

your approach suggests) and is not restricted to the classics which

you seem to strictly adhere to in an overtly orthodox manner. The

expnasion, evolution and the development of techniques that have

been proven to work practically and that facilitate a more efficient

and coherent synthesis should be encouraged rather than demonised.

You seem to have an extreme phobia of any model which you believe to

be even remotely disconnected from the mainstream.

 

Such a restrictive and incubated approach leaves absolutely no scope

for creativity, and renders one intellectually paralysed by his

own 'logical' perplextions. If you really want your 'mission' to

gain creditability then please provide some analysis utilising the

methods which you have such intense faith in. After all, just as a

batsman is judged by the number of runs her scores, an astrologer is

by his accurate predictions: how the objectives are achieved carry

far less weight than the final result.

 

Take care

 

Maniv

 

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Shri Rafel

>

> It is great that you have faith in Gurus.This quality is a

must,but that doesnt mean,your Guru will spoon feed all that is

needed.If a sishya has false understanding ,it is not a problem of

Guru.Guru can deliver True knowledge only upon true quest.That is

the beauty of knowledge.

>

> I am also very fortunate to note how you are countering classical

astrology and elementary ,questions(Base zero in the language of

shri Sanjayrath).Instead of attempting the fundamental questions,you

resort to -Rahu/Mercury without Jupiter- kind of evasive

approach.What is the special shasthra that you are having and

unavailable to the rest of the astrological world.

>

> Is this approach also being taught as part of parampara.

>

> Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas like

VarahamIhira did not have Jupiter-Ketu or Parampara.Thalakkulathu

Bhattathiri, who wrote dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have this

Jupiter-Ketu in shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as they

never knew about houses in vargas.

>

> I can only pray that - one day a student of yours,may ask these

questions - and the very Rishis that you have quoted will ,be kind

enough to ignite wisdom and thereby restoration of True Knowledge.As

you have already made up your mind,i am not going to engage with

you,unless there is a rethink in the future.

>

> I will continue my humble effort within my limitations - Bhagawan

Ramachandra was buliding the bridge, and a squirrel too was trying

to help.

>

> Best Regards

>

> Pradeep

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

<starsuponme@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity, with

Guru-Sisya Yoga in Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's)

exalted in Lagna. I am pretty satisfied by the Parampara I am

following. I am very indebted to my Guruji and Param Guru - Sanjay

Rath. From my faith the hope is arising. I dont like this Rahu

(doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter (analyzing / forums / research

withouth Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me.

> >

> > Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by Jupiter-

Ketu (parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in their

Shastyamsas.

> >

> > good luck

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> > -

> > vijayadas_pradeep

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

others???/Shri Rafal

> >

> >

> > Dear shri Rafel

> >

> > Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication

towards this divine subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to

check the basics and see if houses/aspects are allowed for amsha

groupings.Do you think just for the support of our learning,(without

classical base or misunderstanding of classics),we can ignore basic

questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer from your Guru

regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.

> >

> > My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To

tell you honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

> >

> > Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not amshas)

that rises in the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then an

attribute of this Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed similar

to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle quality and influence of/on

the one and only one LAGNA.

> >

> > Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible

distance.Visibility between these can be understood by gross factors

like distance/angle etc.

> > Suppose you want to see a particular room within an

apartment.Can you see all the rooms in an apartment from where you

sit?.No.But assume that you have a video/telephone link with a

particular room.You then have a sambandha,with that rooom.This

sambandha cannot be understood using distance/angle visibility

parameters.It is through a seperate channel altogether.Similarly

Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a planet is connected to another

through a vital Prana.

> >

> > Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and represents

12 organs as well as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a particular

plane to understand the subtle nature of the above said 12

bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't take us anywhere.

> >

> > For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We

should understand the importance of pranas,while studying

navamsha.Miles and Miles to go,but only if we are prepared.

> >

> >

> > I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it has to

happen one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

> >

> >

> > If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating

false understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pramod,

> > >

> > > Example 1:

> > >

> > > August 14, 1985

> > > Time: 8:54:00

> > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"

> > >

> > > This person was cheating many women and was involved in many

> > > scandalous activities.

> > >

> > > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets generally

indicate lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second

house. This constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL and

this will be his way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by Rahu

as Rahu is lord of eleventh, exalts in third and have moolitkrona in

sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL can indicate

thief (Parasara) and can indicate illegal means of action. He will

be provoker.

> > >

> > > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often

combination for adultery.

> > >

> > > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 - common

yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart.

> > >

> > > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore

could not prevent for this action

> > >

> > > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).

> > >

> > > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

> > >

> > > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.

> > >

> > > Example 2:

> > >

> > > May 31, 1986

> > > Time: 16:55:01

> > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"

> > >

> > > Person has again Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in Lagna

(Kapata Yoga).

> > >

> > > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there in

relations, its third from AL therefore He will be provoking this.

Mars in third (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing

Karma-Yoga in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be his

action mainly.

> > >

> > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu giving

Guru-Chandala Yoga.

> > >

> > > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in sixth bhava and Rahu

is in tenth from.

> > >

> > > Hope it helps,

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > >

> > > -

> > > Pramod B.V.

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People

cheating others???

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > Thanks for all the detailed information.

> > > It would be fine if there are any examples of such horoscopes

if you have already come across.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Pramod.

> > >

> > >

> > > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > Dear Amer,

> > >

> > > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.

> > > Beside this study Kapata Yoga.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

others???

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Imran

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on such

an imp

> > > > topic.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards

> > > >

> > > > Amer

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "M.Imran" <

astroimran

> > > > wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Pramod,

> > > >>

> > > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may make

the

> > > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas

> > > > individually may cause misleading results. So better is to

understand

> > > > the mechanism behind it.

> > > >>

> > > >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses with

respect to

> > > > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic

> > > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).

> > > >>

> > > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic

> > > >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

> > > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic

> > > >>

> > > >> Similarly amongst planets;

> > > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic

> > > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic

> > > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic

> > > >>

> > > >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic

bhavas and/

> > > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native naturally

inclines

> > > > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical

activities.

> > > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when

reckoned from

> > > > langa rather AL.

> > > >>

> > > >> Similarly check the cummulative strength of group of

Sattavic,

> > > > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as well houses.

> > > >>

> > > >> M. Imran

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person

cheating

> > > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to

believe

> > > > anyone

> > > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to

courts and

> > > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so on.

> > > >>

> > > >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with self.

It

> > > > shows the how the native is perceived in the material world.

It shows

> > > > the status of the native.

> > > >>

> > > >> Can Arudha Lagna and planets from arudha lagna also answer

whether

> > > > the person is really humble and doesnt have any cheating

mindsets??

> > > >> Also, which planetary combinations in which houses really

signify

> > > > this behaviour.??

> > > >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main cause for these sort

of

> > > > things.

> > > >>

> > > >> Please explain in detail.

> > > >>

> > > >> Regards

> > > >> Pramod.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

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Dear Maniv

 

I have attempted many quizzes,have done numerous analysis.You can check the

archives.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "maniv1321" <maniv1321> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep

>

> Whilst there is no doubt regarding your sound theoretical and

> technical knowledge of Jyotish, I am yet to encounter a post where

> you have actually applied it in any context (this includes the

> Jyotish group too).

>

> You seem to be on a mission to disprove the proposition of

> divisional charts (which is bordering serious obsession), yet offer

> no practical or empirical analysis to substantiate your stance.

>

> Jyotish is an art as well as a science (not solely mathematics as

> your approach suggests) and is not restricted to the classics which

> you seem to strictly adhere to in an overtly orthodox manner. The

> expnasion, evolution and the development of techniques that have

> been proven to work practically and that facilitate a more efficient

> and coherent synthesis should be encouraged rather than demonised.

> You seem to have an extreme phobia of any model which you believe to

> be even remotely disconnected from the mainstream.

>

> Such a restrictive and incubated approach leaves absolutely no scope

> for creativity, and renders one intellectually paralysed by his

> own 'logical' perplextions. If you really want your 'mission' to

> gain creditability then please provide some analysis utilising the

> methods which you have such intense faith in. After all, just as a

> batsman is judged by the number of runs her scores, an astrologer is

> by his accurate predictions: how the objectives are achieved carry

> far less weight than the final result.

>

> Take care

>

> Maniv

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri Rafel

> >

> > It is great that you have faith in Gurus.This quality is a

> must,but that doesnt mean,your Guru will spoon feed all that is

> needed.If a sishya has false understanding ,it is not a problem of

> Guru.Guru can deliver True knowledge only upon true quest.That is

> the beauty of knowledge.

> >

> > I am also very fortunate to note how you are countering classical

> astrology and elementary ,questions(Base zero in the language of

> shri Sanjayrath).Instead of attempting the fundamental questions,you

> resort to -Rahu/Mercury without Jupiter- kind of evasive

> approach.What is the special shasthra that you are having and

> unavailable to the rest of the astrological world.

> >

> > Is this approach also being taught as part of parampara.

> >

> > Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas like

> VarahamIhira did not have Jupiter-Ketu or Parampara.Thalakkulathu

> Bhattathiri, who wrote dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have this

> Jupiter-Ketu in shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as they

> never knew about houses in vargas.

> >

> > I can only pray that - one day a student of yours,may ask these

> questions - and the very Rishis that you have quoted will ,be kind

> enough to ignite wisdom and thereby restoration of True Knowledge.As

> you have already made up your mind,i am not going to engage with

> you,unless there is a rethink in the future.

> >

> > I will continue my humble effort within my limitations - Bhagawan

> Ramachandra was buliding the bridge, and a squirrel too was trying

> to help.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

> starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity, with

> Guru-Sisya Yoga in Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's)

> exalted in Lagna. I am pretty satisfied by the Parampara I am

> following. I am very indebted to my Guruji and Param Guru - Sanjay

> Rath. From my faith the hope is arising. I dont like this Rahu

> (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter (analyzing / forums / research

> withouth Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me.

> > >

> > > Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by Jupiter-

> Ketu (parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in their

> Shastyamsas.

> > >

> > > good luck

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > >

> > > -

> > > vijayadas_pradeep

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

> others???/Shri Rafal

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear shri Rafel

> > >

> > > Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication

> towards this divine subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to

> check the basics and see if houses/aspects are allowed for amsha

> groupings.Do you think just for the support of our learning,(without

> classical base or misunderstanding of classics),we can ignore basic

> questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer from your Guru

> regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.

> > >

> > > My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

> books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To

> tell you honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

> > >

> > > Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not amshas)

> that rises in the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then an

> attribute of this Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed similar

> to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle quality and influence of/on

> the one and only one LAGNA.

> > >

> > > Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible

> distance.Visibility between these can be understood by gross factors

> like distance/angle etc.

> > > Suppose you want to see a particular room within an

> apartment.Can you see all the rooms in an apartment from where you

> sit?.No.But assume that you have a video/telephone link with a

> particular room.You then have a sambandha,with that rooom.This

> sambandha cannot be understood using distance/angle visibility

> parameters.It is through a seperate channel altogether.Similarly

> Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a planet is connected to another

> through a vital Prana.

> > >

> > > Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and represents

> 12 organs as well as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a particular

> plane to understand the subtle nature of the above said 12

> bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't take us anywhere.

> > >

> > > For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We

> should understand the importance of pranas,while studying

> navamsha.Miles and Miles to go,but only if we are prepared.

> > >

> > >

> > > I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it has to

> happen one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

> > >

> > >

> > > If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating

> false understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

> starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pramod,

> > > >

> > > > Example 1:

> > > >

> > > > August 14, 1985

> > > > Time: 8:54:00

> > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"

> > > >

> > > > This person was cheating many women and was involved in many

> > > > scandalous activities.

> > > >

> > > > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets generally

> indicate lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second

> house. This constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL and

> this will be his way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by Rahu

> as Rahu is lord of eleventh, exalts in third and have moolitkrona in

> sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL can indicate

> thief (Parasara) and can indicate illegal means of action. He will

> be provoker.

> > > >

> > > > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often

> combination for adultery.

> > > >

> > > > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 - common

> yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart.

> > > >

> > > > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore

> could not prevent for this action

> > > >

> > > > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).

> > > >

> > > > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

> > > >

> > > > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.

> > > >

> > > > Example 2:

> > > >

> > > > May 31, 1986

> > > > Time: 16:55:01

> > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"

> > > >

> > > > Person has again Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in Lagna

> (Kapata Yoga).

> > > >

> > > > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there in

> relations, its third from AL therefore He will be provoking this.

> Mars in third (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing

> Karma-Yoga in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be his

> action mainly.

> > > >

> > > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu giving

> Guru-Chandala Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in sixth bhava and Rahu

> is in tenth from.

> > > >

> > > > Hope it helps,

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Pramod B.V.

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People

> cheating others???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for all the detailed information.

> > > > It would be fine if there are any examples of such horoscopes

> if you have already come across.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Pramod.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > > Dear Amer,

> > > >

> > > > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.

> > > > Beside this study Kapata Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

> others???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Imran

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on such

> an imp

> > > > > topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Amer

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "M.Imran" <

> astroimran

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Pramod,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may make

> the

> > > > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas

> > > > > individually may cause misleading results. So better is to

> understand

> > > > > the mechanism behind it.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses with

> respect to

> > > > > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic

> > > > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).

> > > > >>

> > > > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic

> > > > >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

> > > > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Similarly amongst planets;

> > > > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic

> > > > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic

> > > > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic

> > > > >>

> > > > >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic

> bhavas and/

> > > > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native naturally

> inclines

> > > > > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical

> activities.

> > > > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when

> reckoned from

> > > > > langa rather AL.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Similarly check the cummulative strength of group of

> Sattavic,

> > > > > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as well houses.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> M. Imran

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person

> cheating

> > > > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to

> believe

> > > > > anyone

> > > > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to

> courts and

> > > > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so on.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with self.

> It

> > > > > shows the how the native is perceived in the material world.

> It shows

> > > > > the status of the native.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Can Arudha Lagna and planets from arudha lagna also answer

> whether

> > > > > the person is really humble and doesnt have any cheating

> mindsets??

> > > > >> Also, which planetary combinations in which houses really

> signify

> > > > > this behaviour.??

> > > > >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main cause for these sort

> of

> > > > > things.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Please explain in detail.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regards

> > > > >> Pramod.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

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Dear Maniv

 

Forgot to add.Yes it has become an obsession.If you want you can say i have

taken this up as a mission.By the way did u try to check if it is possible to

have houses and aspects.(Classical or technical)

The problem i have here is serious.People tend to reach wrong conclusions and

attribute their success to divisional charts.

Jyotish is a Tapasya.It is an art of filtering out what you want from numerous

parameters,in a complimentary fashion.For the same reason it demands many years

of deep study.If it was about arranging amsha groupings and seeing houses ,it is

a matter of few workshops.

It is not like going to dashamsha and seeing profession or navamsha and seeing

wife.Where did this navamsha and dashamasha come from.Whose navamsha/dashamsha

is this?

One has to study,various bhava lords,karakas,aspects,avasthas,dasha /antar

dasha,gochara,navamsha of relevant grahas,subtler meanings of amshas,dieties

etc.Most importantly one has to experiment over a number of charts to

understand the basics.

We will soon start applying our understanding on real charts ,as the next step.

 

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "maniv1321" <maniv1321> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep

>

> Whilst there is no doubt regarding your sound theoretical and

> technical knowledge of Jyotish, I am yet to encounter a post where

> you have actually applied it in any context (this includes the

> Jyotish group too).

>

> You seem to be on a mission to disprove the proposition of

> divisional charts (which is bordering serious obsession), yet offer

> no practical or empirical analysis to substantiate your stance.

>

> Jyotish is an art as well as a science (not solely mathematics as

> your approach suggests) and is not restricted to the classics which

> you seem to strictly adhere to in an overtly orthodox manner. The

> expnasion, evolution and the development of techniques that have

> been proven to work practically and that facilitate a more efficient

> and coherent synthesis should be encouraged rather than demonised.

> You seem to have an extreme phobia of any model which you believe to

> be even remotely disconnected from the mainstream.

>

> Such a restrictive and incubated approach leaves absolutely no scope

> for creativity, and renders one intellectually paralysed by his

> own 'logical' perplextions. If you really want your 'mission' to

> gain creditability then please provide some analysis utilising the

> methods which you have such intense faith in. After all, just as a

> batsman is judged by the number of runs her scores, an astrologer is

> by his accurate predictions: how the objectives are achieved carry

> far less weight than the final result.

>

> Take care

>

> Maniv

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri Rafel

> >

> > It is great that you have faith in Gurus.This quality is a

> must,but that doesnt mean,your Guru will spoon feed all that is

> needed.If a sishya has false understanding ,it is not a problem of

> Guru.Guru can deliver True knowledge only upon true quest.That is

> the beauty of knowledge.

> >

> > I am also very fortunate to note how you are countering classical

> astrology and elementary ,questions(Base zero in the language of

> shri Sanjayrath).Instead of attempting the fundamental questions,you

> resort to -Rahu/Mercury without Jupiter- kind of evasive

> approach.What is the special shasthra that you are having and

> unavailable to the rest of the astrological world.

> >

> > Is this approach also being taught as part of parampara.

> >

> > Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas like

> VarahamIhira did not have Jupiter-Ketu or Parampara.Thalakkulathu

> Bhattathiri, who wrote dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have this

> Jupiter-Ketu in shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as they

> never knew about houses in vargas.

> >

> > I can only pray that - one day a student of yours,may ask these

> questions - and the very Rishis that you have quoted will ,be kind

> enough to ignite wisdom and thereby restoration of True Knowledge.As

> you have already made up your mind,i am not going to engage with

> you,unless there is a rethink in the future.

> >

> > I will continue my humble effort within my limitations - Bhagawan

> Ramachandra was buliding the bridge, and a squirrel too was trying

> to help.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

> starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity, with

> Guru-Sisya Yoga in Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's)

> exalted in Lagna. I am pretty satisfied by the Parampara I am

> following. I am very indebted to my Guruji and Param Guru - Sanjay

> Rath. From my faith the hope is arising. I dont like this Rahu

> (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter (analyzing / forums / research

> withouth Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me.

> > >

> > > Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by Jupiter-

> Ketu (parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in their

> Shastyamsas.

> > >

> > > good luck

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > >

> > > -

> > > vijayadas_pradeep

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

> others???/Shri Rafal

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear shri Rafel

> > >

> > > Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication

> towards this divine subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to

> check the basics and see if houses/aspects are allowed for amsha

> groupings.Do you think just for the support of our learning,(without

> classical base or misunderstanding of classics),we can ignore basic

> questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer from your Guru

> regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.

> > >

> > > My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

> books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To

> tell you honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

> > >

> > > Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not amshas)

> that rises in the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then an

> attribute of this Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed similar

> to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle quality and influence of/on

> the one and only one LAGNA.

> > >

> > > Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible

> distance.Visibility between these can be understood by gross factors

> like distance/angle etc.

> > > Suppose you want to see a particular room within an

> apartment.Can you see all the rooms in an apartment from where you

> sit?.No.But assume that you have a video/telephone link with a

> particular room.You then have a sambandha,with that rooom.This

> sambandha cannot be understood using distance/angle visibility

> parameters.It is through a seperate channel altogether.Similarly

> Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a planet is connected to another

> through a vital Prana.

> > >

> > > Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and represents

> 12 organs as well as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a particular

> plane to understand the subtle nature of the above said 12

> bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't take us anywhere.

> > >

> > > For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We

> should understand the importance of pranas,while studying

> navamsha.Miles and Miles to go,but only if we are prepared.

> > >

> > >

> > > I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it has to

> happen one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

> > >

> > >

> > > If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating

> false understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

> starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pramod,

> > > >

> > > > Example 1:

> > > >

> > > > August 14, 1985

> > > > Time: 8:54:00

> > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"

> > > >

> > > > This person was cheating many women and was involved in many

> > > > scandalous activities.

> > > >

> > > > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets generally

> indicate lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second

> house. This constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL and

> this will be his way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by Rahu

> as Rahu is lord of eleventh, exalts in third and have moolitkrona in

> sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL can indicate

> thief (Parasara) and can indicate illegal means of action. He will

> be provoker.

> > > >

> > > > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often

> combination for adultery.

> > > >

> > > > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 - common

> yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart.

> > > >

> > > > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore

> could not prevent for this action

> > > >

> > > > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).

> > > >

> > > > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

> > > >

> > > > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.

> > > >

> > > > Example 2:

> > > >

> > > > May 31, 1986

> > > > Time: 16:55:01

> > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"

> > > >

> > > > Person has again Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in Lagna

> (Kapata Yoga).

> > > >

> > > > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there in

> relations, its third from AL therefore He will be provoking this.

> Mars in third (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing

> Karma-Yoga in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be his

> action mainly.

> > > >

> > > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu giving

> Guru-Chandala Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in sixth bhava and Rahu

> is in tenth from.

> > > >

> > > > Hope it helps,

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Pramod B.V.

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People

> cheating others???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for all the detailed information.

> > > > It would be fine if there are any examples of such horoscopes

> if you have already come across.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Pramod.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > > Dear Amer,

> > > >

> > > > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.

> > > > Beside this study Kapata Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating

> others???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Imran

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on such

> an imp

> > > > > topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Amer

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "M.Imran" <

> astroimran

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Pramod,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may make

> the

> > > > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas

> > > > > individually may cause misleading results. So better is to

> understand

> > > > > the mechanism behind it.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses with

> respect to

> > > > > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic

> > > > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).

> > > > >>

> > > > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic

> > > > >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

> > > > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Similarly amongst planets;

> > > > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic

> > > > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic

> > > > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic

> > > > >>

> > > > >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic

> bhavas and/

> > > > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native naturally

> inclines

> > > > > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical

> activities.

> > > > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when

> reckoned from

> > > > > langa rather AL.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Similarly check the cummulative strength of group of

> Sattavic,

> > > > > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as well houses.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> M. Imran

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person

> cheating

> > > > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to

> believe

> > > > > anyone

> > > > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to

> courts and

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to use their own astrological terms and name of rajyogas which are never heard

of, just to show their pseudointellectual wealth.......... Here is the problem.

We should bury our egos down and try to bring foth before the "attackers on

astrology", this subject with a scientific temper. Some people are trying to

complicate further and creating their own brand of astrology. It makes no

sense. We should at least zero own certain common principles. Nodoubt, we will

have to start from fundamentals taught by great rishis but there is nothing

wrong if certain aspects of jyotisha come to the surface while working on it

seriously and sicerely. But I am of the opinion that some clever people

unnecessarily use very cumbersome and complex wordiness. Many list members may

not agree with me. I have never met KN RAO. As a person I don't know anything

about him and I also don't want to know his personal life. But the way he is

bringing forth his research is truely with spirit of sharing astrological

principles through applying on real life examples. At least we can research by

adopting some of his methodologies. I have read some of his books. His way is

really a scientific way- based on observation and replicating the principles

on the various chart. I am not recommending anybody.There may be noise on

this group.. I have learnt little astrology from my own dedication and

endeavours,so far. No body has consented to teach me astrolgy.So far, I am not

following guru sishya prampara. But I strongly believe that niranattar khoj is

important . We must keep our endeavour on, selflessly to find pearls from deep

down this sea of unexplored archiac wealth. If some friends or senior friends

might have not liked my views, even then they are welcome. Pankaj sharma

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear ManivForgot to

add.Yes it has become an obsession.If you want you can say i have taken this

up as a mission.By the way did u try to check if it is possible to have houses

and aspects.(Classical or technical)The problem i have here is serious.People

tend to reach wrong conclusions and attribute their success to divisional

charts.Jyotish is a Tapasya.It is an art of filtering out what you want from

numerous parameters,in a complimentary fashion.For the same reason it demands

many years of deep study.If it was about arranging amsha groupings and seeing

houses ,it is a matter of few workshops.It is not like going to dashamsha and

seeing profession or navamsha and seeing wife.Where

did this navamsha and dashamasha come from.Whose navamsha/dashamsha is this?One

has to study,various bhava lords,karakas,aspects,avasthas,dasha /antar

dasha,gochara,navamsha of relevant grahas,subtler meanings of amshas,dieties

etc.Most importantly one has to experiment over a number of charts to

understand the basics.We will soon start applying our understanding on real

charts ,as the next step.Pradeepvedic astrology,

"maniv1321" <maniv1321> wrote:>> Dear Pradeep> > Whilst there is no doubt

regarding your sound theoretical and > technical knowledge of Jyotish, I am yet

to encounter a post where > you have actually applied it in any context (this

includes the > Jyotish group too).> > You seem to be on a mission to disprove

the proposition of > divisional charts (which is bordering serious obsession),

yet offer > no

practical or empirical analysis to substantiate your stance. > > Jyotish is an

art as well as a science (not solely mathematics as > your approach suggests)

and is not restricted to the classics which > you seem to strictly adhere to in

an overtly orthodox manner. The > expnasion, evolution and the development of

techniques that have > been proven to work practically and that facilitate a

more efficient > and coherent synthesis should be encouraged rather than

demonised. > You seem to have an extreme phobia of any model which you believe

to > be even remotely disconnected from the mainstream. > > Such a restrictive

and incubated approach leaves absolutely no scope > for creativity, and renders

one intellectually paralysed by his > own 'logical' perplextions. If you really

want your 'mission' to > gain creditability then please provide some analysis

utilising the > methods which

you have such intense faith in. After all, just as a > batsman is judged by the

number of runs her scores, an astrologer is > by his accurate predictions: how

the objectives are achieved carry > far less weight than the final result.> >

Take care> > Maniv> > vedic astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep" > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> >> > > > Dear Shri Rafel>

> > > It is great that you have faith in Gurus.This quality is a > must,but

that doesnt mean,your Guru will spoon feed all that is > needed.If a sishya has

false understanding ,it is not a problem of > Guru.Guru can deliver True

knowledge only upon true quest.That is > the beauty of knowledge.> > > > I am

also very fortunate to note how you are countering classical > astrology and

elementary ,questions(Base zero in the language of

> shri Sanjayrath).Instead of attempting the fundamental questions,you > resort

to -Rahu/Mercury without Jupiter- kind of evasive > approach.What is the

special shasthra that you are having and > unavailable to the rest of the

astrological world.> > > > Is this approach also being taught as part of

parampara. > > > > Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas like >

VarahamIhira did not have Jupiter-Ketu or Parampara.Thalakkulathu >

Bhattathiri, who wrote dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have this >

Jupiter-Ketu in shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as they > never knew

about houses in vargas.> > > > I can only pray that - one day a student of

yours,may ask these > questions - and the very Rishis that you have quoted will

,be kind > enough to ignite wisdom and thereby restoration of True Knowledge.As

> you have already made

up your mind,i am not going to engage with > you,unless there is a rethink in

the future.> > > > I will continue my humble effort within my limitations -

Bhagawan > Ramachandra was buliding the bridge, and a squirrel too was trying >

to help.> > > > Best Regards> > > > Pradeep> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" > starsuponme@w... wrote:> >

>> > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as

a Deity, with > Guru-Sisya Yoga in Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's)

> exalted in Lagna. I am pretty satisfied by the Parampara I am > following. I

am very indebted to my Guruji and Param Guru - Sanjay > Rath. From my faith the

hope is arising. I dont like this Rahu > (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter

(analyzing / forums

/ research > withouth Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me. > > > >

> > Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by Jupiter-> Ketu

(parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in their > Shastyamsas.> >

> > > > good luck> > > > > > Regards> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > -----

Original Message ----- > > > vijayadas_pradeep > > > To:

vedic astrology > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM>

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating >

others???/Shri Rafal> > > > > > > > > Dear shri Rafel> > > > > > Your deep

interest in astrology,is showing your dedication > towards this divine

subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to > check

the basics and see if houses/aspects are allowed for amsha > groupings.Do you

think just for the support of our learning,(without > classical base or

misunderstanding of classics),we can ignore basic > questions.Did you get any

satisfactory answer from your Guru > regarding such.If yes kindly share with

us.> > > > > > My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text >

books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To > tell you

honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.> > > > > > Lagna is all important and it is the

''Rashi'' (and not amshas) > that rises in the eastern horizon.Navamsha or

dashamsha is then an > attribute of this Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be

analyzed similar > to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle quality and influence

of/on > the one and only one LAGNA.> > > > > > Consider 12 houses(apartments)

staying

within visible > distance.Visibility between these can be understood by gross

factors > like distance/angle etc.> > > Suppose you want to see a particular

room within an > apartment.Can you see all the rooms in an apartment from where

you > sit?.No.But assume that you have a video/telephone link with a >

particular room.You then have a sambandha,with that rooom.This > sambandha

cannot be understood using distance/angle visibility > parameters.It is through

a seperate channel altogether.Similarly > Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a

planet is connected to another > through a vital Prana.> > > > > > Similarly

Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and represents > 12 organs as well as 12

bhavas.You have to transcend to a particular > plane to understand the subtle

nature of the above said 12 > bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't take

us anywhere.>

> > > > > For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We > should

understand the importance of pranas,while studying > navamsha.Miles and Miles to

go,but only if we are prepared.> > > > > > > > > I am no man to advise you.I am

optimistic.If not today,it has to > happen one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS

(Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.> > > > > > > > > If we are not sure we should never

indulge in proliferating > false understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct

me.> > > > > > Regds> > > Pradeep> > > vedic astrology,

"Rafal Gendarz" > starsuponme@w... wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pramod,> > > > > >

> > Example 1:> > > > > > > > August 14, 1985> > > > Time:

8:54:00> > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N

16' 10"> > > > > > > > This person was cheating many women and was involved in

many> > > > scandalous activities. > > > > > > > > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in

second house. Two planets generally > indicate lying (Ketu if weak especially)

if connected to second > house. This constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in

sixth from AL and > this will be his way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated

by Rahu > as Rahu is lord of eleventh, exalts in third and have moolitkrona in

> sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL can indicate > thief

(Parasara) and can indicate illegal means of action. He will > be provoker.> >

> > > > > > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often > combination

for

adultery.> > > > > > > > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 -

common > yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart. > > > > > > > > (4) Jupiter

is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore > could not prevent for this

action> > > > > > > > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).>

> > > > > > > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.> > > > > > > > Main action

was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.> > > > > > > > Example 2:> > > > > > >

> May 31, 1986> > > > Time: 16:55:01> > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of

GMT)> > > > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"> > > > > > > > Person has again

Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in

Lagna> (Kapata Yoga).> > > > > > > > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal

would be there in > relations, its third from AL therefore He will be provoking

this. > Mars in third (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing >

Karma-Yoga in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be his > action

mainly. > > > > > > > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu

giving > Guru-Chandala Yoga.> > > > > > > > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal

is in sixth bhava and Rahu > is in tenth from. > > > > > > > > Hope it helps,>

> > > > > > > Regards> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > ----- Original

Message ----- > > > > Pramod B.V. > > > > To:

vedic astrology > > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06

AM> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People > cheating

others???> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,> > > > > > > > Thanks for all the

detailed information.> > > > It would be fine if there are any examples of such

horoscopes > if you have already come across.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > >

Pramod.> > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w...

wrote: > > > > Dear

Amer,> > > > > > > > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.> > > > Beside

this study Kapata Yoga.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "Amer Abbas" <

farg135@b...> > > > vedic astrology> > > > Friday,

December 23, 2005 12:12 AM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations

of People cheating > others???> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Imran> > > > >> >

> > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on such > an imp> >

> > > topic.> > > > >> > > > > Best regards > >

> > >> > > > > Amer> > > > >> > > > > vedic astrology,

"M.Imran" astroimran> > > > > wrote:> > > > >>> > > > >> Dear Pramod,>

> > > >>> > > > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may make >

the> > > > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas > > > >

> individually may cause misleading results. So better is to > understand> > > >

> the mechanism behind it.> > > > >>> > > > >> Consider the distribution of

planets and houses with > respect to> > > > > three Guna (or attributes) viz.

Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic > > > > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).> > >

>

>>> > > > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic> > > > >> 2nd,

7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic> > > > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th

bhavas are classified Tamasic > > > > >>> > > > >> Similarly amongst planets;> >

> > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic> > > > >> Venus and Mercury are

Rajjasic> > > > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic> > > > >>> > > > >> When

tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic > bhavas and/ > > > > > or

sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native naturally > inclines> > > > >

towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical > activities.> > > > >

Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when > reckoned

from > > > > > langa rather AL.> > > > >>> > > > >> Similarly check the

cummulative strength of group of > Sattavic,> > > > > Rajjasic and Tamasic

planets as well houses.> > > > >>> > > > >> M. Imran> > > > >>> > > > >> > > >

> >>> > > > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,> > > > >>> >

> > >>> > > > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person >

cheating> > > > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to >

believe > > > > > anyone> > > > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and

drive them to > courts and> > > > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so

on.> > > > >>> > > > >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with

self. > It > > > > > shows the how the native is perceived in the material

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Arudha Lagna and planets from arudha lagna also answer > whether> > > > > the

person is really humble and doesnt have any cheating > mindsets?? > > > > >>

Also, which planetary combinations in which houses really > signify> > > > >

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Thanks for answering with a very detailed analysis of the horos that you have given.

Can you please look at the horo of this girl who seem to be very good but still

i have lots of fear arising from this girl.

 

Her horo contains jupiter in scorpio lagna with lagnadhipathi kuja in 8th house

with rahu,sun,mercury.Sukra in 10th.

 

Presently running sukra dasha rahu bhukti.

 

 

Her details.

 

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On 12/23/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear shri Rafel

Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication towards this divine

subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to check the basics and see if

houses/aspects are allowed for amsha groupings.Do you think just for the

support of our learning,(without classical base or misunderstanding of

classics),we can ignore basic questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer

from your Guru regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.

My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To tell you

honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not amshas) that rises in

the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then an attribute of this

Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed similar to sookshma.Navamsha

lagna is a subtle quality and influence of/on the one and only one LAGNA.

Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible distance.Visibility

between these can be understood by gross factors like distance/angle

etc.Suppose you want to see a particular room within an apartment.Can you see

all the rooms in an apartment from where you sit?.No.But assume that you have a

video/telephone link with a particular room.You then have a sambandha,with that

rooom.This sambandha cannot be understood using distance/angle visibility

parameters.It is through a seperate channel altogether.Similarly Navamshas show

how a bhava lord or a planet is connected to another through a vital Prana.

Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and represents 12 organs as well

as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a particular plane to understand the

subtle nature of the above said 12 bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't

take us anywhere.

For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We should understand

the importance of pranas,while studying navamsha.Miles and Miles to go,but

only if we are prepared.

I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it has to happen one

day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating false

understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

RegdsPradeepvedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w

....> wrote:>> Dear Pramod,> > Example 1:> > August 14, 1985> Time:

8:54:00> Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"

> > This person was cheating many women and was involved in many> scandalous

activities. > > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets generally

indicate lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second house. This

constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL and this will be his way of

reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by Rahu as Rahu is lord of eleventh, exalts

in third and have moolitkrona in sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth

from AL can indicate thief (Parasara) and can indicate illegal means of action.

He will be provoker.

> > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often combination for

adultery.> > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 - common

yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart.

> > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore could not prevent

for this action> > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).> >

(6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

> > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.> > Example 2:> > Date:

May 31, 1986> Time: 16:55:01> Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 21 E 00'

10", 52 N 13' 00"

> > Person has again Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in Lagna(Kapata Yoga).>

> Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there in relations, its

third from AL therefore He will be provoking this. Mars in third (eleventh from

AL - illegal means) is influencing Karma-Yoga in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona

therefore this will be his action mainly. > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9

it is weakened by Rahu giving Guru-Chandala Yoga.> > It was done in CN MD -

this Mangal is in sixth bhava and Rahu is in tenth from. > > Hope it helps,

> > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > > > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > -----

Original Message ----- > Pramod B.V. > To:

vedic astrology > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating others???>

> > Hi all,> > Thanks for all the detailed information.> It would be fine if

there are any examples of such horoscopes if you have already come across.

> > Regards> Pramod.> > > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote: >

Dear Amer,> > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.> Beside this study

Kapata Yoga.

> > Regards> Rafal Gendarz > > > > - > "Amer

Abbas" < farg135@b...>

vedic astrology> Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM >

[vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating others???> > > >

Dear Imran> >

> > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on such an imp> >

topic.> >> > Best regards > >> > Amer> >> >

vedic astrology, "M.Imran" < astroimran> > wrote:> >>> >>

Dear Pramod,> >>> >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may

make the

> > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas > > individually

may cause misleading results. So better is to understand> > the mechanism behind

it.> >>> >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses with respect to

> > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic > > (mundanely)

and Tammasic (demoniac).> >>> >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked

Sattvic> >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

> >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic > >>> >> Similarly

amongst planets;> >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic> >> Venus and Mercury

are Rajjasic

> >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic> >>> >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah,

Ket) afflict sattvic bhavas and/ > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a

native naturally inclines

> > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical activities.> > Here

ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when reckoned from > > langa

rather AL.> >>> >> Similarly check the cummulative strength of group of

Sattavic,

> > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as well houses.> >>> >> M. Imran> >>> >> > >>>

>> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,

> >>> >>> >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person cheating> >

others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to believe > > anyone> >>

Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to courts and

> > own husband try to cheat his wife and so on.> >>> >> Arudha Lagna (AL)

stands for the maya associated with self. It > > shows the how the native is

perceived in the material world. It shows

> > the status of the native.> >>> >> Can Arudha Lagna and planets from arudha

lagna also answer whether> > the person is really humble and doesnt have any

cheating mindsets?? > >> Also, which planetary combinations in which houses

really signify> > this behaviour.??> >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main

cause for these sort of> > things.> >>

> >> Please explain in detail. > >>> >> Regards> >> Pramod.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>

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Pradeep

 

It was intriguing, as always, to read your comments.

 

I am a mere beginner in this vast field of study (<2 years

experience) and in all honesty have not delved as deep as yourself

and the likes of PVR into the dynamics behind the practicality of

houses/aspects in divisional charts.

 

My interest has been more geared towards 'selecting' techniques that

are logically plausible and then applying them to several charts in

order to gauge the effectiveness. I have found in my limited studies

that the use of the divisional chart interpretation method

definitely provides a more systematic, logical and coherent process

and I have been able to reach accurate conclusions within a

timeframe that would not have been possible had I relied solely on

the rasi chart. This does not imply that using divisional charts is

the only method, and I have no doubt that a similar conclusion may

have been reached using only the rasi chart : the difference being,

as you mentioned yourself, is the level of tapasya and time required

when adopting a rasi-only approach. In the end it boils down to

efficiency.

 

Maybe we can discuss a few charts utilising both methodologies and

measure which technique(s) provide the quickest and accurate

interpretations. If the rasi-only amsa based technique proves in

fact to be more appropriate, I am willing (and possibly also shall

many others) to accept your stance.

 

Regards

 

Maniv

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Maniv

>

> Forgot to add.Yes it has become an obsession.If you want you can

say i have taken this up as a mission.By the way did u try to

check if it is possible to have houses and aspects.(Classical or

technical)

> The problem i have here is serious.People tend to reach wrong

conclusions and attribute their success to divisional charts.

> Jyotish is a Tapasya.It is an art of filtering out what you want

from numerous parameters,in a complimentary fashion.For the same

reason it demands many years of deep study.If it was about arranging

amsha groupings and seeing houses ,it is a matter of few workshops.

> It is not like going to dashamsha and seeing profession or

navamsha and seeing wife.Where did this navamsha and dashamasha come

from.Whose navamsha/dashamsha is this?

> One has to study,various bhava

lords,karakas,aspects,avasthas,dasha /antar dasha,gochara,navamsha

of relevant grahas,subtler meanings of amshas,dieties etc.Most

importantly one has to experiment over a number of charts to

understand the basics.

> We will soon start applying our understanding on real charts ,as

the next step.

>

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

<maniv1321> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep

> >

> > Whilst there is no doubt regarding your sound theoretical and

> > technical knowledge of Jyotish, I am yet to encounter a post

where

> > you have actually applied it in any context (this includes the

> > Jyotish group too).

> >

> > You seem to be on a mission to disprove the proposition of

> > divisional charts (which is bordering serious obsession), yet

offer

> > no practical or empirical analysis to substantiate your stance.

> >

> > Jyotish is an art as well as a science (not solely mathematics

as

> > your approach suggests) and is not restricted to the classics

which

> > you seem to strictly adhere to in an overtly orthodox manner.

The

> > expnasion, evolution and the development of techniques that have

> > been proven to work practically and that facilitate a more

efficient

> > and coherent synthesis should be encouraged rather than

demonised.

> > You seem to have an extreme phobia of any model which you

believe to

> > be even remotely disconnected from the mainstream.

> >

> > Such a restrictive and incubated approach leaves absolutely no

scope

> > for creativity, and renders one intellectually paralysed by his

> > own 'logical' perplextions. If you really want your 'mission' to

> > gain creditability then please provide some analysis utilising

the

> > methods which you have such intense faith in. After all, just as

a

> > batsman is judged by the number of runs her scores, an

astrologer is

> > by his accurate predictions: how the objectives are achieved

carry

> > far less weight than the final result.

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > Maniv

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Rafel

> > >

> > > It is great that you have faith in Gurus.This quality is a

> > must,but that doesnt mean,your Guru will spoon feed all that is

> > needed.If a sishya has false understanding ,it is not a problem

of

> > Guru.Guru can deliver True knowledge only upon true quest.That

is

> > the beauty of knowledge.

> > >

> > > I am also very fortunate to note how you are countering

classical

> > astrology and elementary ,questions(Base zero in the language

of

> > shri Sanjayrath).Instead of attempting the fundamental

questions,you

> > resort to -Rahu/Mercury without Jupiter- kind of evasive

> > approach.What is the special shasthra that you are having and

> > unavailable to the rest of the astrological world.

> > >

> > > Is this approach also being taught as part of parampara.

> > >

> > > Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas like

> > VarahamIhira did not have Jupiter-Ketu or

Parampara.Thalakkulathu

> > Bhattathiri, who wrote dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have

this

> > Jupiter-Ketu in shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as

they

> > never knew about houses in vargas.

> > >

> > > I can only pray that - one day a student of yours,may ask

these

> > questions - and the very Rishis that you have quoted will ,be

kind

> > enough to ignite wisdom and thereby restoration of True

Knowledge.As

> > you have already made up your mind,i am not going to engage with

> > you,unless there is a rethink in the future.

> > >

> > > I will continue my humble effort within my limitations -

Bhagawan

> > Ramachandra was buliding the bridge, and a squirrel too was

trying

> > to help.

> > >

> > > Best Regards

> > >

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

> > starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity,

with

> > Guru-Sisya Yoga in Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's)

> > exalted in Lagna. I am pretty satisfied by the Parampara I am

> > following. I am very indebted to my Guruji and Param Guru -

Sanjay

> > Rath. From my faith the hope is arising. I dont like this Rahu

> > (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter (analyzing / forums /

research

> > withouth Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me.

> > > >

> > > > Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by

Jupiter-

> > Ketu (parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in

their

> > Shastyamsas.

> > > >

> > > > good luck

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People

cheating

> > others???/Shri Rafal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear shri Rafel

> > > >

> > > > Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication

> > towards this divine subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice

to

> > check the basics and see if houses/aspects are allowed for amsha

> > groupings.Do you think just for the support of our learning,

(without

> > classical base or misunderstanding of classics),we can ignore

basic

> > questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer from your Guru

> > regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.

> > > >

> > > > My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

> > books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To

> > tell you honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not

amshas)

> > that rises in the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then

an

> > attribute of this Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed

similar

> > to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle quality and influence

of/on

> > the one and only one LAGNA.

> > > >

> > > > Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible

> > distance.Visibility between these can be understood by gross

factors

> > like distance/angle etc.

> > > > Suppose you want to see a particular room within an

> > apartment.Can you see all the rooms in an apartment from where

you

> > sit?.No.But assume that you have a video/telephone link with a

> > particular room.You then have a sambandha,with that rooom.This

> > sambandha cannot be understood using distance/angle visibility

> > parameters.It is through a seperate channel altogether.Similarly

> > Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a planet is connected to

another

> > through a vital Prana.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and

represents

> > 12 organs as well as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a

particular

> > plane to understand the subtle nature of the above said 12

> > bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't take us anywhere.

> > > >

> > > > For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties

etc.We

> > should understand the importance of pranas,while studying

> > navamsha.Miles and Miles to go,but only if we are prepared.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it

has to

> > happen one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating

> > false understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

> > starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pramod,

> > > > >

> > > > > Example 1:

> > > > >

> > > > > August 14, 1985

> > > > > Time: 8:54:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"

> > > > >

> > > > > This person was cheating many women and was involved in

many

> > > > > scandalous activities.

> > > > >

> > > > > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets

generally

> > indicate lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second

> > house. This constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL

and

> > this will be his way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by

Rahu

> > as Rahu is lord of eleventh, exalts in third and have

moolitkrona in

> > sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL can

indicate

> > thief (Parasara) and can indicate illegal means of action. He

will

> > be provoker.

> > > > >

> > > > > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often

> > combination for adultery.

> > > > >

> > > > > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 -

common

> > yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore

> > could not prevent for this action

> > > > >

> > > > > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).

> > > > >

> > > > > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Example 2:

> > > > >

> > > > > May 31, 1986

> > > > > Time: 16:55:01

> > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"

> > > > >

> > > > > Person has again Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in

Lagna

> > (Kapata Yoga).

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there

in

> > relations, its third from AL therefore He will be provoking

this.

> > Mars in third (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing

> > Karma-Yoga in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be

his

> > action mainly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu

giving

> > Guru-Chandala Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in sixth bhava and

Rahu

> > is in tenth from.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope it helps,

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Pramod B.V.

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

> > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People

> > cheating others???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for all the detailed information.

> > > > > It would be fine if there are any examples of such

horoscopes

> > if you have already come across.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Pramod.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > > > Dear Amer,

> > > > >

> > > > > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.

> > > > > Beside this study Kapata Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People

cheating

> > others???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Imran

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on

such

> > an imp

> > > > > > topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amer

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "M.Imran" <

> > astroimran

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Pramod,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may

make

> > the

> > > > > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these

yogas

> > > > > > individually may cause misleading results. So better is

to

> > understand

> > > > > > the mechanism behind it.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses with

> > respect to

> > > > > > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic),

Rajjasic

> > > > > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic

> > > > > >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

> > > > > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Similarly amongst planets;

> > > > > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic

> > > > > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic

> > > > > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic

> > bhavas and/

> > > > > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native

naturally

> > inclines

> > > > > > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical

> > activities.

> > > > > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when

> > reckoned from

> > > > > > langa rather AL.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Similarly check the cummulative strength of group of

> > Sattavic,

> > > > > > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as well houses.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> M. Imran

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person

> > cheating

> > > > > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to

> > believe

> > > > > > anyone

> > > > > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to

> > courts and

> > > > > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so on.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with

self.

> > It

> > > > > > shows the how the native is perceived in the material

world.

> > It shows

> > > > > > the status of the native.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Can Arudha Lagna and planets from arudha lagna also

answer

> > whether

> > > > > > the person is really humble and doesnt have any cheating

> > mindsets??

> > > > > >> Also, which planetary combinations in which houses

really

> > signify

> > > > > > this behaviour.??

> > > > > >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main cause for these

sort

> > of

> > > > > > things.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Please explain in detail.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Regards

> > > > > >> Pramod.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

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Dear Maniv

 

First we should see if such a chart as such exists.If not ,it is not worth

wasting our time.One janma may not be enough to master astrology.Such being the

case ,what will happen if we waste our time ,over misunderstandings.

 

1)We should look at classics,and see the defintion.

2)See how amshas are used in classics.

 

It is not rashi chart alone.All amshas are important.Classics have shown the

clear usage of amshas.

 

I will definitely show one example in my next mail

 

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "maniv1321" <maniv1321> wrote:

>

> Pradeep

>

> It was intriguing, as always, to read your comments.

>

> I am a mere beginner in this vast field of study (<2 years

> experience) and in all honesty have not delved as deep as yourself

> and the likes of PVR into the dynamics behind the practicality of

> houses/aspects in divisional charts.

>

> My interest has been more geared towards 'selecting' techniques that

> are logically plausible and then applying them to several charts in

> order to gauge the effectiveness. I have found in my limited studies

> that the use of the divisional chart interpretation method

> definitely provides a more systematic, logical and coherent process

> and I have been able to reach accurate conclusions within a

> timeframe that would not have been possible had I relied solely on

> the rasi chart. This does not imply that using divisional charts is

> the only method, and I have no doubt that a similar conclusion may

> have been reached using only the rasi chart : the difference being,

> as you mentioned yourself, is the level of tapasya and time required

> when adopting a rasi-only approach. In the end it boils down to

> efficiency.

>

> Maybe we can discuss a few charts utilising both methodologies and

> measure which technique(s) provide the quickest and accurate

> interpretations. If the rasi-only amsa based technique proves in

> fact to be more appropriate, I am willing (and possibly also shall

> many others) to accept your stance.

>

> Regards

>

> Maniv

>

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Maniv

> >

> > Forgot to add.Yes it has become an obsession.If you want you can

> say i have taken this up as a mission.By the way did u try to

> check if it is possible to have houses and aspects.(Classical or

> technical)

> > The problem i have here is serious.People tend to reach wrong

> conclusions and attribute their success to divisional charts.

> > Jyotish is a Tapasya.It is an art of filtering out what you want

> from numerous parameters,in a complimentary fashion.For the same

> reason it demands many years of deep study.If it was about arranging

> amsha groupings and seeing houses ,it is a matter of few workshops.

> > It is not like going to dashamsha and seeing profession or

> navamsha and seeing wife.Where did this navamsha and dashamasha come

> from.Whose navamsha/dashamsha is this?

> > One has to study,various bhava

> lords,karakas,aspects,avasthas,dasha /antar dasha,gochara,navamsha

> of relevant grahas,subtler meanings of amshas,dieties etc.Most

> importantly one has to experiment over a number of charts to

> understand the basics.

> > We will soon start applying our understanding on real charts ,as

> the next step.

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> maniv1321 wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep

> > >

> > > Whilst there is no doubt regarding your sound theoretical and

> > > technical knowledge of Jyotish, I am yet to encounter a post

> where

> > > you have actually applied it in any context (this includes the

> > > Jyotish group too).

> > >

> > > You seem to be on a mission to disprove the proposition of

> > > divisional charts (which is bordering serious obsession), yet

> offer

> > > no practical or empirical analysis to substantiate your stance.

> > >

> > > Jyotish is an art as well as a science (not solely mathematics

> as

> > > your approach suggests) and is not restricted to the classics

> which

> > > you seem to strictly adhere to in an overtly orthodox manner.

> The

> > > expnasion, evolution and the development of techniques that have

> > > been proven to work practically and that facilitate a more

> efficient

> > > and coherent synthesis should be encouraged rather than

> demonised.

> > > You seem to have an extreme phobia of any model which you

> believe to

> > > be even remotely disconnected from the mainstream.

> > >

> > > Such a restrictive and incubated approach leaves absolutely no

> scope

> > > for creativity, and renders one intellectually paralysed by his

> > > own 'logical' perplextions. If you really want your 'mission' to

> > > gain creditability then please provide some analysis utilising

> the

> > > methods which you have such intense faith in. After all, just as

> a

> > > batsman is judged by the number of runs her scores, an

> astrologer is

> > > by his accurate predictions: how the objectives are achieved

> carry

> > > far less weight than the final result.

> > >

> > > Take care

> > >

> > > Maniv

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rafel

> > > >

> > > > It is great that you have faith in Gurus.This quality is a

> > > must,but that doesnt mean,your Guru will spoon feed all that is

> > > needed.If a sishya has false understanding ,it is not a problem

> of

> > > Guru.Guru can deliver True knowledge only upon true quest.That

> is

> > > the beauty of knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > I am also very fortunate to note how you are countering

> classical

> > > astrology and elementary ,questions(Base zero in the language

> of

> > > shri Sanjayrath).Instead of attempting the fundamental

> questions,you

> > > resort to -Rahu/Mercury without Jupiter- kind of evasive

> > > approach.What is the special shasthra that you are having and

> > > unavailable to the rest of the astrological world.

> > > >

> > > > Is this approach also being taught as part of parampara.

> > > >

> > > > Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas like

> > > VarahamIhira did not have Jupiter-Ketu or

> Parampara.Thalakkulathu

> > > Bhattathiri, who wrote dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have

> this

> > > Jupiter-Ketu in shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as

> they

> > > never knew about houses in vargas.

> > > >

> > > > I can only pray that - one day a student of yours,may ask

> these

> > > questions - and the very Rishis that you have quoted will ,be

> kind

> > > enough to ignite wisdom and thereby restoration of True

> Knowledge.As

> > > you have already made up your mind,i am not going to engage with

> > > you,unless there is a rethink in the future.

> > > >

> > > > I will continue my humble effort within my limitations -

> Bhagawan

> > > Ramachandra was buliding the bridge, and a squirrel too was

> trying

> > > to help.

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

> > > starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity,

> with

> > > Guru-Sisya Yoga in Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's)

> > > exalted in Lagna. I am pretty satisfied by the Parampara I am

> > > following. I am very indebted to my Guruji and Param Guru -

> Sanjay

> > > Rath. From my faith the hope is arising. I dont like this Rahu

> > > (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter (analyzing / forums /

> research

> > > withouth Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by

> Jupiter-

> > > Ketu (parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in

> their

> > > Shastyamsas.

> > > > >

> > > > > good luck

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People

> cheating

> > > others???/Shri Rafal

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear shri Rafel

> > > > >

> > > > > Your deep interest in astrology,is showing your dedication

> > > towards this divine subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice

> to

> > > check the basics and see if houses/aspects are allowed for amsha

> > > groupings.Do you think just for the support of our learning,

> (without

> > > classical base or misunderstanding of classics),we can ignore

> basic

> > > questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer from your Guru

> > > regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.

> > > > >

> > > > > My quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text

> > > books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,Gurus.To

> > > tell you honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not

> amshas)

> > > that rises in the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then

> an

> > > attribute of this Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed

> similar

> > > to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle quality and influence

> of/on

> > > the one and only one LAGNA.

> > > > >

> > > > > Consider 12 houses(apartments) staying within visible

> > > distance.Visibility between these can be understood by gross

> factors

> > > like distance/angle etc.

> > > > > Suppose you want to see a particular room within an

> > > apartment.Can you see all the rooms in an apartment from where

> you

> > > sit?.No.But assume that you have a video/telephone link with a

> > > particular room.You then have a sambandha,with that rooom.This

> > > sambandha cannot be understood using distance/angle visibility

> > > parameters.It is through a seperate channel altogether.Similarly

> > > Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a planet is connected to

> another

> > > through a vital Prana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and

> represents

> > > 12 organs as well as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a

> particular

> > > plane to understand the subtle nature of the above said 12

> > > bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't take us anywhere.

> > > > >

> > > > > For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties

> etc.We

> > > should understand the importance of pranas,while studying

> > > navamsha.Miles and Miles to go,but only if we are prepared.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it

> has to

> > > happen one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating

> > > false understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"

> > > starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pramod,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Example 1:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > August 14, 1985

> > > > > > Time: 8:54:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This person was cheating many women and was involved in

> many

> > > > > > scandalous activities.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets

> generally

> > > indicate lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second

> > > house. This constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL

> and

> > > this will be his way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by

> Rahu

> > > as Rahu is lord of eleventh, exalts in third and have

> moolitkrona in

> > > sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL can

> indicate

> > > thief (Parasara) and can indicate illegal means of action. He

> will

> > > be provoker.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often

> > > combination for adultery.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 -

> common

> > > yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore

> > > could not prevent for this action

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Example 2:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May 31, 1986

> > > > > > Time: 16:55:01

> > > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Person has again Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in

> Lagna

> > > (Kapata Yoga).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there

> in

> > > relations, its third from AL therefore He will be provoking

> this.

> > > Mars in third (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing

> > > Karma-Yoga in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be

> his

> > > action mainly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu

> giving

> > > Guru-Chandala Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in sixth bhava and

> Rahu

> > > is in tenth from.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope it helps,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Pramod B.V.

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

> > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People

> > > cheating others???

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for all the detailed information.

> > > > > > It would be fine if there are any examples of such

> horoscopes

> > > if you have already come across.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Pramod.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Amer,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.

> > > > > > Beside this study Kapata Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People

> cheating

> > > others???

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Imran

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on

> such

> > > an imp

> > > > > > > topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amer

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "M.Imran" <

> > > astroimran

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Pramod,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may

> make

> > > the

> > > > > > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these

> yogas

> > > > > > > individually may cause misleading results. So better is

> to

> > > understand

> > > > > > > the mechanism behind it.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Consider the distribution of planets and houses with

> > > respect to

> > > > > > > three Guna (or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic),

> Rajjasic

> > > > > > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic

> > > > > > >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

> > > > > > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Similarly amongst planets;

> > > > > > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic

> > > > > > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic

> > > > > > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic

> > > bhavas and/

> > > > > > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native

> naturally

> > > inclines

> > > > > > > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical

> > > activities.

> > > > > > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when

> > > reckoned from

> > > > > > > langa rather AL.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Similarly check the cummulative strength of group of

> > > Sattavic,

> > > > > > > Rajjasic and Tamasic planets as well houses.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> M. Imran

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person

> > > cheating

> > > > > > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to

> > > believe

> > > > > > > anyone

> > > > > > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to

> > > courts and

> > > > > > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so on.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with

> self.

> > > It

> > > > > > > shows the how the native is perceived in the material

> world.

> > > It shows

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> > > > > > > the person is really humble and doesnt have any cheating

> > > mindsets??

> > > > > > >> Also, which planetary combinations in which houses

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> > > > > > >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main cause for these

> sort

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> > > > > > >> Please explain in detail.

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Keep up the good work and the search for the true meaning of the amshas. The

only way jyotish can become a scientific endeavor is when we can find

repeatable principles that can hold their own on a high percentage of charts.

Think of this as a clinical trial done in medicine. The medicine is also an art

to a large extent with extensive data that has been analyzed with scientific

data analysis tools. How many principles we know of in jyotish that work in in

60-70-80 percent of cases ? Lets start there.

 

I gave an example from KN Rao's researches "3rd lord in 11th or 11th lord in

third" has a predictive meaning. How many of these we know ? I know there are a

few gems like that out there. I see people creating new theories, new charts,

new principles to explain away things in a chart after the event. I have

nothing against new theories as long as they hold up to a clinical trial. It

would be hard to get 10000 charts like in medicine, but can we atleast have 100

where the proposed priciples has worked ?

 

....

On 12/23/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear ManivForgot to add.Yes it has become an obsession.If you want you can say

i have taken this up as a mission.By the way did u try to check if it is

possible to have houses and aspects.(Classical or technical)The problem i have

here is serious.People tend to reach wrong conclusions and attribute their

success to divisional charts.

Jyotish is a Tapasya.It is an art of filtering out what you want from numerous

parameters,in a complimentary fashion.For the same reason it demands many years

of deep study.If it was about arranging amsha groupings and seeing houses ,it is

a matter of few workshops.

It is not like going to dashamsha and seeing profession or navamsha and seeing

wife.Where did this navamsha and dashamasha come from.Whose navamsha/dashamsha

is this?One has to study,various bhava lords,karakas,aspects,avasthas,dasha

/antar dasha,gochara,navamsha of relevant grahas,subtler meanings of

amshas,dieties etc.Most importantly one has to experiment over a number of

charts to understand the basics.We will soon start applying our understanding

on real charts ,as the next step. Pradeepvedic astrology

, "maniv1321" <maniv1321> wrote:>> Dear Pradeep> > Whilst there is no doubt

regarding your sound theoretical and > technical knowledge of Jyotish, I am yet

to encounter a post where > you have actually applied it in any context (this

includes the > Jyotish group too).> > You seem to be on a mission to disprove

the proposition of > divisional charts (which is bordering serious obsession),

yet offer > no practical or empirical analysis to substantiate your stance. > >

Jyotish is an art as well as a science (not solely mathematics as > your

approach suggests) and is not restricted to the classics which > you seem to

strictly adhere to in an overtly orthodox manner. The > expnasion, evolution

and the development of techniques that have > been proven to work practically

and that facilitate a more efficient > and coherent synthesis should be

encouraged rather than demonised. > You seem to have an extreme phobia of any

model which you believe to > be even remotely disconnected from the mainstream.

> > Such a restrictive and incubated approach leaves absolutely no scope > for

creativity, and renders one intellectually paralysed by his > own 'logical'

perplextions. If you really want your 'mission' to > gain creditability then

please provide some analysis utilising the > methods which you have such

intense faith in. After all, just as a > batsman is judged by the number of

runs her scores, an astrologer is > by his accurate predictions: how the

objectives are achieved carry > far less weight than the final result.> > Take

care> > Maniv> >

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > vijayadas_pradeep

wrote:> >> > > > Dear Shri Rafel> > > > It is great that you have faith in

Gurus.This quality is a > must,but that doesnt mean,your Guru will spoon feed

all that is > needed.If a sishya has false understanding ,it is not a problem

of > Guru.Guru can deliver True knowledge only upon true quest.That is > the

beauty of knowledge.> > > > I am also very fortunate to note how you are

countering classical > astrology and elementary ,questions(Base zero in the

language of > shri Sanjayrath).Instead of attempting the fundamental

questions,you > resort to -Rahu/Mercury without Jupiter- kind of evasive >

approach.What is the special shasthra that you are having and > unavailable to

the rest of the astrological world.> > > > Is this approach also being taught

as part of parampara. > > > > Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi

Varyas like > VarahamIhira did not have Jupiter-Ketu or Parampara.Thalakkulathu

> Bhattathiri, who wrote dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have this >

Jupiter-Ketu in shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as they > never knew

about houses in vargas.> > > > I can only pray that - one day a student of

yours,may ask these > questions - and the very Rishis that you have quoted will

,be kind > enough to ignite wisdom and thereby restoration of True Knowledge.As

> you have already made up your mind,i am not going to engage with > you,unless

there is a rethink in the future.> >

> > I will continue my humble effort within my limitations - Bhagawan >

Ramachandra was buliding the bridge, and a squirrel too was trying > to help.>

> > > Best Regards> > > > Pradeep> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology

, "Rafal Gendarz" > starsuponme@w... wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > I

have Moon in Sravana Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity, with > Guru-Sisya Yoga in

Drekkana and Ninth Lord Rahu (foreign Guru's) > exalted in Lagna. I am pretty

satisfied by the Parampara I am > following. I am very indebted to my Guruji

and Param Guru - Sanjay > Rath. From my faith the hope is arising. I dont like

this Rahu

> (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter (analyzing / forums / research > withouth

Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me. > > > > > > Main hope is get

to the Rishi's and You can do this by Jupiter-

> Ketu (parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in their >

Shastyamsas.> > > > > > good luck> > > > > > Regards> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > - > > > vijayadas_pradeep > > > To:

 

vedic astrology > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM>

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating >

others???/Shri Rafal> > > > > > > > > Dear shri Rafel> > > > > > Your deep

interest in astrology,is showing your dedication > towards this divine

subject.Being that the case,won't it be nice to > check the basics and see if

houses/aspects are allowed for amsha > groupings.Do you think just for the

support of our learning,(without > classical base or misunderstanding of

classics),we can ignore basic > questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer

from your Guru > regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.> > > > > > My

quest regarding this had led to me to numerous text >

books,classics,handwritten horoscopes, learned scholars,

Gurus.To > tell you honestly,Houses are 12 rashis.> > > > > > Lagna is all

important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and not amshas) > that rises in the eastern

horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is then an > attribute of this Lagna.Sookshma

matters cannot be analyzed similar > to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle

quality and influence of/on > the one and only one LAGNA.> > > > > > Consider

12 houses(apartments) staying within visible > distance.Visibility between

these can be understood by gross factors > like distance/angle etc.> > >

Suppose you want to see a particular room within an > apartment.Can you see all

the rooms in an apartment from where you > sit?.No.But assume that you have a

video/telephone link with a > particular room.You then have a sambandha,with

that rooom.This > sambandha cannot be understood using distance/angle

visibility > parameters.It is through a seperate channel altogether.Similarly >

Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a planet is connected to another > through a

vital Prana.> > > > > > Similarly Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and

represents > 12 organs as well as 12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a

particular > plane to understand the subtle nature of the above said 12 >

bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools won't take us anywhere.

> > > > > > For the same reason we,have Shodasha Upacharas/dieties etc.We >

should understand the importance of pranas,while studying > navamsha.Miles and

Miles to go,but only if we are prepared.

> > > > > > > > > I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it has

to > happen one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.> > > > > > >

> > If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating > false

understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.> > > > > > Regds> > > Pradeep> >

> vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" > starsuponme@w...

wrote:> > > >

> > > > Dear Pramod,> > > > > > > > Example 1:> > > > > > > > August 14,

1985> > > > Time: 8:54:00> > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 19 E 34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"> > > > > > > > This person was

cheating many women and was involved in many> > > > scandalous activities. > >

> > > > > > (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets generally >

indicate lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second > house. This

constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL and > this will be his way

of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by Rahu > as Rahu is lord of eleventh,

exalts in third and have moolitkrona in > sixth hous of natural zodiac. Malefic

in sixth from AL can indicate > thief (Parasara) and can indicate illegal means

of action. He will > be provoker.> > > > > > > > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in

fifth house - very often > combination for adultery.

> > > > > > > > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava in D-9 - common >

yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart. > > > > > > > > (4) Jupiter is not

in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore > could not prevent for this action> > >

> > > > > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa (taking from World).> > > > > > > >

(6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa amsa.

> > > > > > > > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad ripu.> > > > > > >

> Example 2:> > > > > > > > May 31, 1986

> > > > Time: 16:55:01> > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 21

E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"> > > > > > > > Person has again Sani in second house

(lying) and Ke in Lagna

> (Kapata Yoga).> > > > > > > > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would

be there in > relations, its third from AL therefore He will be provoking this.

> Mars in third (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing > Karma-Yoga

in D-3 and Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be his > action mainly. > > >

> > > > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu giving >

Guru-Chandala Yoga.

> > > > > > > > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal is in sixth bhava and Rahu >

is in tenth from. > > > > > > > > Hope it helps,> > > > > > > > Regards> > > >

Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > ----- Original

Message ----- > > > > Pramod B.V. > > > > To:

vedic astrology > > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06 AM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People > cheating

others???> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,> > > > > > > > Thanks for all the

detailed information.

> > > > It would be fine if there are any examples of such horoscopes > if you

have already come across.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Pramod.> > > > > > > >

> > > > On 12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote: > > > > Dear Amer,>

> > > > > > > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.

> > > > Beside this study Kapata Yoga.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Rafal

Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > - > > > > "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...>

> > >

vedic astrology> > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 12:12 AM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People cheating >

others???> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Imran> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for this

imp and simple to remember principal on such > an imp> > > > > topic.

> > > > >> > > > > Best regards > > > > >> > > > > Amer> > > > >> > > > > --- In

 

vedic astrology, "M.Imran" astroimran> > > > > wrote:>

> > > >>> > > > >> Dear Pramod,> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may make > the> >

> > > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these yogas > > > > >

individually may cause misleading results. So better is to > understand> > > >

> the mechanism behind it.> > > > >>> > > > >> Consider the distribution of

planets and houses with > respect to> > > > > three Guna (or attributes) viz.

Sattvic (angelic), Rajjasic > > > > > (mundanely) and Tammasic (demoniac).> > >

> >>> > > > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas are ranked Sattvic> > > > >> 2nd,

7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked Rajjasic

> > > > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic > > > > >>> > >

> >> Similarly amongst planets;> > > > >> Sun, Moon and Jupiter are Sattvic

> > > > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic> > > > >> Saturn, Mars and Nodes are

Tamasic> > > > >>> > > > >> When tamu grahas (Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict

sattvic > bhavas and/ > > > > > or sattvic grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a

native naturally > inclines> > > > > towards corruption, cheating, ignorance,

and unethical > activities.

> > > > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when > reckoned

from > > > > > langa rather AL.> > > > >>> > > > >> Similarly check the

cummulative strength of group of > Sattavic,> > > > > Rajjasic and Tamasic

planets as well houses.> > > > >>> > > > >> M. Imran> > > > >>> > > > >> > > >

> >>> > > > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g... wrote: Hi All,> > > > >>> >

> > >>> > > > >> What are the Planetary combinations of a Good person >

cheating> > > > > others.?? Because in this present world its difficult to >

believe > > > > > anyone> > > > >> Good friends try to cheat the other and

drive them to > courts and> > > > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so

on.> > > > >>> > > > >> Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with

self.

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shows> > > > > the status of the native.> > > > >>> > > > >> Can Arudha Lagna

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cause for these sort > of> > > > > things.> > > > >>

> > > > >> Please explain in detail. > > > > >>> > > > >> Regards> > > > >>

Pramod.> > > > >>> > > > >>

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Maniv Pathak [maniv1321 (AT) (DOT) co.uk]

Friday, January 06, 2006 4:48 AMr_tv_99Re: Combinations of

People cheating others???/Shri Rafal

Thank you for your kind comments. As a student of Jyotish, I am open to the

theories propounded by the experiences of learned Jyotishis such as PVR, as I

respect the dedication and intensity that they commit to their research in this

field. However this does not imply that one should accept a proposition

blindly. Only by testing such techniques time and time again can one

realistically measure their success. Thus far divisional charts seem to yield

better results than utilising the rasi alone, but then again I must admit that

I haven’t spent sufficient time attempting to interpret from the rasi

alone - hence the flexibility is still there. I would be interested in

reviewing your chart - if you could please provide your birth details (stating

your confidence in the accuracy of the time) I'll attempt an analysis when time

permits. Take care Manivr_tv_99 <tvrao_agd (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in> wrote: dear

manivji,very good suggestion and this is what i had indicated many times

ondifferent occasions.in any branch of science, bookish (written)theory differs

with thepractical experiences/results.i am extremely sorry, if i had crossed my

limits, being a non-astrologer, in expressing above thoughts.i strongly feel

the above, because till date i could not meet asingle astrologer who could

predict correctly for me (by rasi,divisional, prasna or any method).rtv--- In

vedic astrology, "maniv1321" wrote:>> Pradeep>> It was

intriguing, as always, to read your comments.>> I am a mere beginner in this

vast field of study (<2 years> experience) and in all honesty have not delved

as deep as yourself> and the likes of PVR into the dynamics behind the

practicality of> houses/aspects in divisional charts.>> My interest has been

more geared towards 'selecting' techniquesthat> are logically plausible and

then applying them to several charts in> order to gauge the effectiveness. I

have found in my limitedstudies> that the use of the divisional chart

interpretation method> definitely provides a more systematic, logical and

coherent process> and I have been able to reach accurate conclusions within a>

timeframe that would not have been possible had I relied solely on> the rasi

chart. This does not imply that using divisional charts is> the only method,

and I have no doubt that a similar conclusion may> have been reached using only

the rasi chart : the difference being,> as you mentioned yourself, is the level

of tapasya and timerequired> when adopting a rasi-only approach. In the end it

boils down to> efficiency.>> Maybe we can discuss a few charts utilising both

methodologies and> measure which technique(s) provide the quickest and

accurate> interpretations. If the rasi-only amsa based technique proves in>

fact to be more appropriate, I am willing (and possibly also shall> many

others) to accept your stance.>> Regards>> Maniv>>>>>> --- In

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> wrote:> >> > Dear Maniv>

>> > Forgot to add.Yes it has become an obsession.If you want you can> say i

have taken this up as a mission.By the way did u try to> check if it is

possible to have houses and aspects.(Classical or> technical)> > The problem i

have here is serious.People tend to reach wrong> conclusions and attribute

their success to divisional charts.> > Jyotish is a Tapasya.It is an art of

filtering out what you want> from numerous parameters,in a complimentary

fashion.For the same> reason it demands many years of deep study.If it was

aboutarranging> amsha groupings and seeing houses ,it is a matter of few

workshops.> > It is not like going to dashamsha and seeing profession or>

navamsha and seeing wife.Where did this navamsha and dashamashacome> from.Whose

navamsha/dashamsha is this?> > One has to study,various bhava>

lords,karakas,aspects,avasthas,dasha /antar dasha,gochara,navamsha> of relevant

grahas,subtler meanings of amshas,dieties etc.Most> importantly one has to

experiment over a number of charts to> understand the basics.> > We will soon

start applying our understanding on real charts ,as> the next step.> >> >

Pradeep> >> > vedic astrology, "maniv1321"> wrote:> > >>

> > Dear Pradeep> > >> > > Whilst there is no doubt regarding your sound

theoretical and> > > technical knowledge of Jyotish, I am yet to encounter a

post> where> > > you have actually applied it in any context (this includes

the> > > Jyotish group too).> > >> > > You seem to be on a mission to disprove

the proposition of> > > divisional charts (which is bordering serious

obsession), yet> offer> > > no practical or empirical analysis to substantiate

your stance.> > >> > > Jyotish is an art as well as a science (not solely

mathematics> as> > > your approach suggests) and is not restricted to the

classics> which> > > you seem to strictly adhere to in an overtly orthodox

manner.> The> > > expnasion, evolution and the development of techniques

thathave> > > been proven to work practically and that facilitate a more>

efficient> > > and coherent synthesis should be encouraged rather than>

demonised.> > > You seem to have an extreme phobia of any model which you>

believe to> > > be even remotely disconnected from the mainstream.> > >> > >

Such a restrictive and incubated approach leaves absolutely no> scope> > > for

creativity, and renders one intellectually paralysed by his> > > own 'logical'

perplextions. If you really want your 'mission'to> > > gain creditability then

please provide some analysis utilising> the> > > methods which you have such

intense faith in. After all, justas> a> > > batsman is judged by the number of

runs her scores, an> astrologer is> > > by his accurate predictions: how the

objectives are achieved> carry> > > far less weight than the final result.> >

>> > > Take care> > >> > > Maniv> > >> > > --- In

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > >

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Rafel> > > >> > >

> It is great that you have faith in Gurus.This quality is a> > > must,but that

doesnt mean,your Guru will spoon feed all that is> > > needed.If a sishya has

false understanding ,it is not a problem> of> > > Guru.Guru can deliver True

knowledge only upon true quest.That> is> > > the beauty of knowledge.> > > >> >

> > I am also very fortunate to note how you are countering> classical> > >

astrology and elementary ,questions(Base zero in the language> of> > > shri

Sanjayrath).Instead of attempting the fundamental> questions,you> > > resort to

-Rahu/Mercury without Jupiter- kind of evasive> > > approach.What is the special

shasthra that you are having and> > > unavailable to the rest of the

astrological world.> > > >> > > > Is this approach also being taught as part of

parampara.> > > >> > > > Also thanks for reminding that, great Rishi Varyas

like> > > VarahamIhira did not have Jupiter-Ketu or> Parampara.Thalakkulathu> >

> Bhattathiri, who wrote dashadhyayi, too was unfortunate to have> this> > >

Jupiter-Ketu in shashtyamsha.All these saints were at loss as> they> > > never

knew about houses in vargas.> > > >> > > > I can only pray that - one day a

student of yours,may ask> these> > > questions - and the very Rishis that you

have quoted will ,be> kind> > > enough to ignite wisdom and thereby restoration

of True> Knowledge.As> > > you have already made up your mind,i am not going to

engagewith> > > you,unless there is a rethink in the future.> > > >> > > > I

will continue my humble effort within my limitations -> Bhagawan> > >

Ramachandra was buliding the bridge, and a squirrel too was> trying> > > to

help.> > > >> > > > Best Regards> > > >> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > > >> > > > ---

In vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz"> > > starsuponme@w...

wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > >> > > > > I have Moon in Sravana

Nakshatra with an ear as a Deity,> with> > > Guru-Sisya Yoga in Drekkana and

Ninth Lord Rahu (foreignGuru's)> > > exalted in Lagna. I am pretty satisfied by

the Parampara I am> > > following. I am very indebted to my Guruji and Param

Guru -> Sanjay> > > Rath. From my faith the hope is arising. I dont like this

Rahu> > > (doubts) and Mercury-without-Jupiter (analyzing / forums /> research>

> > withouth Sastras) approach so please dont bend this on me.> > > > >> > > > >

Main hope is get to the Rishi's and You can do this by> Jupiter-> > > Ketu

(parampara). Happy are this Jyotisha's who has this in> their> > >

Shastyamsas.> > > > >> > > > > good luck> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >

Rafal Gendarz> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > >

vijayadas_pradeep> > > > > vedic astrology> > > > > Sent:

Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:

Combinations of People> cheating> > > others???/Shri Rafal> > > > >> > > > >> >

> > > Dear shri Rafel> > > > >> > > > > Your deep interest in astrology,is

showing your dedication> > > towards this divine subject.Being that the

case,won't it benice> to> > > check the basics and see if houses/aspects are

allowed foramsha> > > groupings.Do you think just for the support of our

learning,> (without> > > classical base or misunderstanding of classics),we can

ignore> basic> > > questions.Did you get any satisfactory answer from your Guru>

> > regarding such.If yes kindly share with us.> > > > >> > > > > My quest

regarding this had led to me to numerous text> > > books,classics,handwritten

horoscopes, learnedscholars,Gurus.To> > > tell you honestly,Houses are 12

rashis.> > > > >> > > > > Lagna is all important and it is the ''Rashi'' (and

not> amshas)> > > that rises in the eastern horizon.Navamsha or dashamsha is

then> an> > > attribute of this Lagna.Sookshma matters cannot be analyzed>

similar> > > to sookshma.Navamsha lagna is a subtle quality and influence>

of/on> > > the one and only one LAGNA.> > > > >> > > > > Consider 12

houses(apartments) staying within visible> > > distance.Visibility between

these can be understood by gross> factors> > > like distance/angle etc.> > > >

> Suppose you want to see a particular room within an> > > apartment.Can you

see all the rooms in an apartment from where> you> > > sit?.No.But assume that

you have a video/telephone link with a> > > particular room.You then have a

sambandha,with that rooom.This> > > sambandha cannot be understood using

distance/angle visibility> > > parameters.It is through a seperate

channelaltogether.Similarly> > > Navamshas show how a bhava lord or a planet is

connected to> another> > > through a vital Prana.> > > > >> > > > > Similarly

Rashi is sthoola shareera.It is gross and> represents> > > 12 organs as well as

12 bhavas.You have to transcend to a> particular> > > plane to understand the

subtle nature of the above said 12> > > bhavas/lords.Using gross scales/tools

won't take us anywhere.> > > > >> > > > > For the same reason we,have Shodasha

Upacharas/dieties> etc.We> > > should understand the importance of pranas,while

studying> > > navamsha.Miles and Miles to go,but only if we are prepared.> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > I am no man to advise you.I am optimistic.If not today,it>

has to> > > happen one day.TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (Sathyameva Jayathe)!!!.> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > If we are not sure we should never indulge in proliferating>

> > false understanding.If i am wrong kindly corerct me.> > > > >> > > > >

Regds> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > vedic astrology, "Rafal

Gendarz"> > > starsuponme@w... wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pramod,> > > >

> >> > > > > > Example 1:> > > > > >> > > > > > August 14, 1985> > > > > >

Time: 8:54:00> > > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 19 E

34' 10", 50 N 16' 10"> > > > > >> > > > > > This person was cheating many women

and was involved in> many> > > > > > scandalous activities.> > > > > >> > > > >

> (1) Saturn and Ketu are in second house. Two planets> generally> > > indicate

lying (Ketu if weak especially) if connected to second> > > house. This

constitue also Preta-Yoga. This is in sixth from AL> and> > > this will be his

way of reaction. Upachaya's are dominated by> Rahu> > > as Rahu is lord of

eleventh, exalts in third and have> moolitkrona in> > > sixth hous of natural

zodiac. Malefic in sixth from AL can> indicate> > > thief (Parasara) and can

indicate illegal means of action. He> will> > > be provoker.> > > > > >> > > >

> > (2) Seventh lord Neecha in fifth house - very often> > > combination for

adultery.> > > > > >> > > > > > (3) Moon and Mercury along Lagna/Saptama bhava

in D-9 -> common> > > yoga for adultery found in Clinton's chart.> > > > > >> >

> > > > (4) Jupiter is not in Kendra nor in Kona in D-9 therefore> > > could not

prevent for this action> > > > > >> > > > > > (5) Eleventh lord is in Sarpa-amsa

(taking from World).> > > > > >> > > > > > (6) Ninth lord is in Kula-naasa

amsa.> > > > > >> > > > > > Main action was in Aq MD - sixth bhava - shad

ripu.> > > > > >> > > > > > Example 2:> > > > > >> > > > > > May 31,

1986> > > > > > Time: 16:55:01> > > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> > >

> > > Place: 21 E 00' 10", 52 N 13' 00"> > > > > >> > > > > > Person has again

Sani in second house (lying) and Ke in> Lagna> > > (Kapata Yoga).> > > > > >> >

> > > > Rahu is in seventh house - so some scandal would be there> in> > >

relations, its third from AL therefore He will be provoking> this.> > > Mars in

third (eleventh from AL - illegal means) is influencing> > > Karma-Yoga in D-3

and Rahu is in trikona therefore this will be> his> > > action mainly.> > > > >

>> > > > > > Altough Jupiter in Kendra in D-9 it is weakened by Rahu> giving> >

> Guru-Chandala Yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > It was done in CN MD - this Mangal

is in sixth bhava and> Rahu> > > is in tenth from.> > > > > >> > > > > > Hope

it helps,> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > >> >

> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > >> > > > > > -----

Original Message -----> > > > > > Pramod B.V.> > > > > > To:

vedic astrology> > > > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 8:06

AM> > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People> > >

cheating others???> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi all,> > > > > >> > > > >

> Thanks for all the detailed information.> > > > > > It would be fine if there

are any examples of such> horoscopes> > > if you have already come across.> > >

> > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Pramod.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On

12/23/05, Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@w... wrote:> > > > > > Dear Amer,> > > > >

>> > > > > > Upachaya lords should be in Kroora-Avasthas.> > > > > > Beside

this study Kapata Yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz>

> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > >

> "Amer Abbas" < farg135@b...> > > > > > To:

vedic astrology> > > > > > Friday, December 23, 2005

12:12 AM> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations of People>

cheating> > > others???> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Imran> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Thanks for this imp and simple to remember principal on> such>

> > an imp> > > > > > > topic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best regards> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Amer> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "M.Imran" <> > > astroimran> > > > > > >

wrote:> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Dear Pramod,> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>

Ancient sources have mentioned dozens of yoga that may> make> > > the> > > > >

> > native, unethical, liar and cheat. But applying these> yogas> > > > > > >

individually may cause misleading results. So better is> to> > > understand> >

> > > > > the mechanism behind it.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Consider the

distribution of planets and houses with> > > respect to> > > > > > > three Guna

(or attributes) viz. Sattvic (angelic),> Rajjasic> > > > > > > (mundanely) and

Tammasic (demoniac).> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 1st, 4th, 5th, and 9th bhavas

are ranked Sattvic> > > > > > >> 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th bhavas are ranked

Rajjasic> > > > > > >> 3rd, 6th, 8th, and 12th bhavas are classified Tamasic> >

> > > > >>> > > > > > >> Similarly amongst planets;> > > > > > >> Sun, Moon and

Jupiter are Sattvic> > > > > > >> Venus and Mercury are Rajjasic> > > > > > >>

Saturn, Mars and Nodes are Tamasic> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> When tamu grahas

(Sat, Mar, Rah, Ket) afflict sattvic> > > bhavas and/> > > > > > > or sattvic

grahas (Sun, Moon, Jup) then a native> naturally> > > inclines> > > > > > >

towards corruption, cheating, ignorance, and unethical> > > activities.> > > >

> > > Here ones innerself is better portrayed by planets when> > > reckoned

from> > > > > > > langa rather AL.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Similarly check

the cummulative strength of group of> > > Sattavic,> > > > > > > Rajjasic and

Tamasic planets as well houses.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> M. Imran> > > > > >

>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> "Pramod B.V." pramod.venkatesh@g...

wrote: Hi All,> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> What are the Planetary

combinations of a Good person> > > cheating> > > > > > > others.?? Because in

this present world its difficultto> > > believe> > > > > > > anyone> > > > > >

>> Good friends try to cheat the other and drive them to> > > courts and> > > >

> > > own husband try to cheat his wife and so on.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>

Arudha Lagna (AL) stands for the maya associated with> self.> > > It> > > > > >

> shows the how the native is perceived in the material> world.> > > It shows> >

> > > > > the status of the native.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Can Arudha Lagna

and planets from arudha lagna also> answer> > > whether> > > > > > > the person

is really humble and doesnt have anycheating> > > mindsets??> > > > > > >>

Also, which planetary combinations in which houses> really> > > signify> > > >

> > > this behaviour.??> > > > > > >> Are 6th houses and 8th houses the main

cause for these> sort> > > of> > > > > > > things.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>

Please explain in detail.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Regards> > > > > > >>

Pramod.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>

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