Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Dear Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Shri.Mohan Ram - one of the members of this forum has forwarded a mail that he seems to have written to you on your post to me. As this is consistent with my views, I am posting it in the vedic astrology groups forum for the benefit of all members. One thing I wish to add is that, apart from Rahu, other natural sthira karakas will also attain karakatwas if more than 2 planets share the same karakatwa and there arises a deficiency of karaka planets. May Divine Light show us the right way. Blessed be. --- mohan ram <mohanraaam wrote: > Respected Guruji, > > I have answered Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao's post > based > on my thoughts though he had addressed the post to > you. I am sending the same message to you by > pasting > it because I forgot to CC to you when I posted it. > Kindly go through the reply and correct me wherever > I > am wrong. > > Humble pranams. > > copy of the message text is as follows: > " > Dear Shri. Narasimha Rao, > > When to take 7 karakatwas and when to 8 karakatwas > are > mentioned in the karakatwa adhyaya of BHPS Chapter > 32. > There is no ambiguity regarding what the Maha muni > Parashara thinks about the matter. I will translate > the opening verses of the chapter on karakatwas for > the benefit of members of this list: > > Verses 1 and 2: > " I now detail below Atma Karak etc., obtainable > from > among the 7 Planets, viz. Sun to Saturn. Some say, > that Rahu will become a Karak, when there is a state > of similarity in terms of longitude between (two) > Planets. Yet some say, that the 8 Planets, including > Rahu, will have to be considered irrespective of > such > a state." > > It is clear that the rishi is of the view that the 7 > planets from Sun to Saturn are to be considered for > assigning chara karakatwas. > He also mentions about Rahu becoming a karaka based > on > two different views (which is hotly debated by > learned > astrologers of this day!) which seem to have existed > even in his days! > > Some verses later (17th verse in Chapter 32 to be > precise).... he says " If two Planets have the same > longitude, both become the same Karak, in which case > there will be a deficit of one Karak. In that > circumstance consider constant significator in the > context of benefic/malefic influence for the > concerned > relative." > > While assigning the karakas of 12 houses, Rishi > Parashara has clearly left out Rahu and has > distributed the karakatwas only among the 7 planets. > > Muni Parashara's works are verbose as Shri.Narasimha > Rao has said and need no complicated logic to work > out. Jaimini Maharishi on the other hand, is very > cryptic and his verses are open to different > interpretations! As Jaimini Maharishi is the > disciple > of Sage Veda Vyasa who himself was a direct > descendant > of Sage Parasara, we can safely assume that when he > has cryptically indicated something in his sutras, > we > may get benefitted by referring to sage Parashara's > works for a better clarity. > > By the way, with all respect to Pt. Sanjay Rath, I > do > not know, how he says that 7 karakas are to be taken > for non-human (or does he mean superhuman souls and > avatars?) horoscopes and 8 karakas for all other > horoscopes! > > To put it in a nutshell, my understanding is that > the > karakatwas are distributed ONLY among the seven > planets from Sun to Saturn as per my reading of both > classics viz. BHPS and Jaimini Sutras. Rahu comes > in > ONLY when two planets are in exactly the same > degrees > and hence acquiring the same karakatwa and then, > Rahu > fills up the deficient karakatwa." > > Blessed be. > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 I dont know how we can say that both Rahu & Ketu get the Karakattvas since both has similar degrees in opposite houses. Therefore one sage has not considered it while the other sage has considered only one i.e. Rahu. Regards, KP vedic astrology, dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > Dear Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, > > Shri.Mohan Ram - one of the members of this forum has > forwarded a mail that he seems to have written to you > on your post to me. As this is consistent with my > views, I am posting it in the vedic astrology groups > forum for the benefit of all members. > > One thing I wish to add is that, apart from Rahu, > other natural sthira karakas will also attain > karakatwas if more than 2 planets share the same > karakatwa and there arises a deficiency of karaka > planets. > > May Divine Light show us the right way. > > Blessed be. > --- mohan ram <mohanraaam> wrote: > > > Respected Guruji, > > > > I have answered Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao's post > > based > > on my thoughts though he had addressed the post to > > you. I am sending the same message to you by > > pasting > > it because I forgot to CC to you when I posted it. > > Kindly go through the reply and correct me wherever > > I > > am wrong. > > > > Humble pranams. > > > > copy of the message text is as follows: > > " > > Dear Shri. Narasimha Rao, > > > > When to take 7 karakatwas and when to 8 karakatwas > > are > > mentioned in the karakatwa adhyaya of BHPS Chapter > > 32. > > There is no ambiguity regarding what the Maha muni > > Parashara thinks about the matter. I will translate > > the opening verses of the chapter on karakatwas for > > the benefit of members of this list: > > > > Verses 1 and 2: > > " I now detail below Atma Karak etc., obtainable > > from > > among the 7 Planets, viz. Sun to Saturn. Some say, > > that Rahu will become a Karak, when there is a state > > of similarity in terms of longitude between (two) > > Planets. Yet some say, that the 8 Planets, including > > Rahu, will have to be considered irrespective of > > such > > a state." > > > > It is clear that the rishi is of the view that the 7 > > planets from Sun to Saturn are to be considered for > > assigning chara karakatwas. > > He also mentions about Rahu becoming a karaka based > > on > > two different views (which is hotly debated by > > learned > > astrologers of this day!) which seem to have existed > > even in his days! > > > > Some verses later (17th verse in Chapter 32 to be > > precise).... he says " If two Planets have the same > > longitude, both become the same Karak, in which case > > there will be a deficit of one Karak. In that > > circumstance consider constant significator in the > > context of benefic/malefic influence for the > > concerned > > relative." > > > > While assigning the karakas of 12 houses, Rishi > > Parashara has clearly left out Rahu and has > > distributed the karakatwas only among the 7 planets. > > > > Muni Parashara's works are verbose as Shri.Narasimha > > Rao has said and need no complicated logic to work > > out. Jaimini Maharishi on the other hand, is very > > cryptic and his verses are open to different > > interpretations! As Jaimini Maharishi is the > > disciple > > of Sage Veda Vyasa who himself was a direct > > descendant > > of Sage Parasara, we can safely assume that when he > > has cryptically indicated something in his sutras, > > we > > may get benefitted by referring to sage Parashara's > > works for a better clarity. > > > > By the way, with all respect to Pt. Sanjay Rath, I > > do > > not know, how he says that 7 karakas are to be taken > > for non-human (or does he mean superhuman souls and > > avatars?) horoscopes and 8 karakas for all other > > horoscopes! > > > > To put it in a nutshell, my understanding is that > > the > > karakatwas are distributed ONLY among the seven > > planets from Sun to Saturn as per my reading of both > > classics viz. BHPS and Jaimini Sutras. Rahu comes > > in > > ONLY when two planets are in exactly the same > > degrees > > and hence acquiring the same karakatwa and then, > > Rahu > > fills up the deficient karakatwa." > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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