Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Dear Vistiji, Nitin, Rafalji.... Namaste! I had posed a similar question earlier but since I didn't get a response I am posing it again. The combination of Mars and Saturn is supposed to give rise to Unmad Yoga. Probably this means no peace of mind? Now my question is whether such a yoga can be caused by aspect (and not necessarily a conjunction)? My next question is that if Mars is a Maraka (Taurus Lagna) and deposited in 8th House of longevity and aspected by karaka of 8th House Saturn, what would be the net impact of this on life span? What happens when there is an exchange of karakas - Mars karaka of 6th House is placed in 8th and Saturn karaka of 8th house is placed in 6th? Mars in 8th which is 12th to 7th is said to be a "dosha" leading to loss of spouse but if Mars is posited 8th in the chart of both the spouses (one having Taurus Lagna and the other having Aries Lagna) will the effect cancel out or the chart having the stronger Mars (Aries Lagna) hold sway? With regards, Vinita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| Hi Vinita, Saturn being in the 6th has dristi on the 8th and will try to prolong life. Mars is however a maraka for taurus lagna and being in the 8th will try to shorten it. However, saturn is the yogakaraka and exalted in libra looking at saggitarius and Jupiter is the lord of saggitarius and if he is well positioned then there is not much threat to life as such. Now Mars is the 7th lord in the 8th then the person is manglik. According to what I learnt from Sanjay-ji, the spouse has to suffer manglik aspects such as excessive fighting, etc. However, if both of them have it, then they say there is no threat to life of each other's partner. Hope this helps. Regards, - Jai vinita kumar <shankar_mamta vedic astrology Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:21:10 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) Dear Vistiji, Nitin, Rafalji.... Namaste! I had posed a similar question earlier but since I didn't get a response I am posing it again. The combination of Mars and Saturn is supposed to give rise to Unmad Yoga. Probably this means no peace of mind? Now my question is whether such a yoga can be caused by aspect (and not necessarily a conjunction)? My next question is that if Mars is a Maraka (Taurus Lagna) and deposited in 8th House of longevity and aspected by karaka of 8th House Saturn, what would be the net impact of this on life span? What happens when there is an exchange of karakas - Mars karaka of 6th House is placed in 8th and Saturn karaka of 8th house is placed in 6th? Mars in 8th which is 12th to 7th is said to be a "dosha" leading to loss of spouse but if Mars is posited 8th in the chart of both the spouses (one having Taurus Lagna and the other having Aries Lagna) will the effect cancel out or the chart having the stronger Mars (Aries Lagna) hold sway? With regards, Vinita Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Dear Jai, Namaste! Many thanks for your quick response. U have mentioned that Jupiter should be placed well. Jupiter is in 2nd with Sun, Mercury and Ketu. Mars, of course is with Rahu. Any change in the earlier opinion based on this additional data? Regards and best wishes, Vinita vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop> wrote: > > ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| > Hi Vinita, > > Saturn being in the 6th has dristi on the 8th and will try to prolong life. Mars is however a maraka for taurus lagna and being in the 8th will try to shorten it. However, saturn is the yogakaraka and exalted in libra looking at saggitarius and Jupiter is the lord of saggitarius and if he is well positioned then there is not much threat to life as such. > > Now Mars is the 7th lord in the 8th then the person is manglik. According to what I learnt from Sanjay-ji, the spouse has to suffer manglik aspects such as excessive fighting, etc. However, if both of them have it, then they say there is no threat to life of each other's partner. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > - Jai > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta> > vedic astrology > Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:21:10 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) > > > Dear Vistiji, Nitin, Rafalji.... > > Namaste! > > I had posed a similar question earlier but since I didn't get a > response I am posing it again. > > > The combination of Mars and Saturn is supposed to give rise to Unmad > Yoga. Probably this means no peace of mind? Now my question is > whether such a yoga can be caused by aspect (and not necessarily a > conjunction)? My next question is that if Mars is a Maraka (Taurus > Lagna) and deposited in 8th House of longevity and aspected by karaka > of 8th House Saturn, what would be the net impact of this on life > span? What happens when there is an exchange of karakas - Mars karaka > of 6th House is placed in 8th and Saturn karaka of 8th house is > placed in 6th? Mars in 8th which is 12th to 7th is said to be > a "dosha" leading to loss of spouse but if Mars is posited 8th in the > chart of both the spouses (one having Taurus Lagna and the other > having Aries Lagna) will the effect cancel out or the chart having > the stronger Mars (Aries Lagna) hold sway? > > With regards, > > Vinita > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear Vinita Ji and List Members, Namaskaar. Some of my thoughts are below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Vistiji, Nitin, Rafalji.... Namaste! I had posed a similar question earlier but since I didn't get a response I am posing it again. The combination of Mars and Saturn is supposed to give rise to Unmad Yoga. Probably this means no peace of mind? Now my question is whether such a yoga can be caused by aspect (and not necessarily a conjunction)? [NK] I am not too familiar with this yog, but consider the aspects of Saturn (Shani) and Mars (Mangal) in a 1/7 relationship to be challenging when we better understand the nature of these grahas. You may have some challenges relating to peace of mind as the Moon in your chart is aspected by retrograde (vakri) Mars and retrograde Saturn. These two planets are carrying a greater intensity. [Please see chart below to verify details.] My next question is that if Mars is a Maraka (Taurus Lagna) and deposited in 8th House of longevity and aspected by karaka of 8th House Saturn, what would be the net impact of this on life span? What happens when there is an exchange of karakas - Mars karaka of 6th House is placed in 8th and Saturn karaka of 8th house is placed in 6th? [NK] Here, I would like to consider Argala. As any planet forces its results on the house it naturally owns, we can see that Shani Dev will force its effects to the 8th House. Likewise, Mars will have Virodha Argala to the 6th House. Verify – did you have any health issues when approx. 47 years of age? This may be related to your throat / chest area? Mars in 8th which is 12th to 7th is said to be a "dosha" leading to loss of spouse but if Mars is posited 8th in the chart of both the spouses (one having Taurus Lagna and the other having Aries Lagna) will the effect cancel out or the chart having the stronger Mars (Aries Lagna) hold sway? [NK] Mars in the 8th is 2nd from the 7th. The entire chart has to be seen in perspective. Consider, also in this chart the Arudha Lagna (AL) and the Vyaya Pada or Upa Pada (UL / A12). They are in a 2/12 relationship where you are very giving to the spouse. However, with continued effort and trying to appease the partner, there may be a tendency to ignore the spouse at some point of time. Source -- If there are challenges, there will be relating to 2nd House – i.e.defining what you consider the sources of sustenance and family. I am drifting from your original question here, I know, but here is a recent article on the Upa Pada: /message/16444 May the Gurus continue to guide us. Best wishes, Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || With regards, Vinita <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,, Vinita Natal Chart July 3, 1954 Time: 2:43:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 80 E 55' 00", 26 N 51' 00" Lucknow, India Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Tritiya (Ma) (48.53% left) Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Aasresha (Me) (94.64% left) Yoga: Harshana (Su) (15.59% left) Karana: Garija (Ju) (97.07% left) Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Vi) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Aq) Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Saturn) Sunrise: 5:20:12 (July 2) Sunset: 18:59:58 (July 2) Janma Ghatis: 53.4502 Ayanamsa: 23-13-34.32 Sidereal Time: 21:18:09 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 9 Ta 23' 53.66" Krit 4 Ta Pi Sun - MK 17 Ge 12' 21.04" Ardr 4 Ge Pi Moon - BK 17 Cn 22' 54.49" Asre 1 Cn Sg Mars ® - DK 6 Sg 53' 55.88" Mool 3 Sg Ge Mercury ® - AmK 22 Ge 22' 49.90" Puna 1 Ge Ar Jupiter - PiK 15 Ge 38' 48.02" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Venus - AK 24 Cn 37' 42.06" Asre 3 Cn Aq Saturn ® - PK 9 Li 25' 41.39" Swat 1 Li Sg Rahu - GK 21 Sg 50' 30.72" PSha 3 Sg Li Ketu 21 Ge 50' 30.72" Puna 1 Ge Ar Maandi 5 Ar 25' 02.16" Aswi 2 Ar Ta Gulika 22 Pi 22' 40.72" Reva 2 Pi Cp Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Merc Merc 1953-08-05 Ket 1955-12-31 Ven 1956-12-28 Sun 1959-10-30 Moon 1960-09-05 Mars 1962-02-01 Rah 1963-01-30 Jup 1965-08-20 Sat 1967-11-26 Ket Ket 1970-08-05 Ven 1970-12-31 Sun 1972-02-29 Moon 1972-07-07 Mars 1973-02-04 Rah 1973-07-04 Jup 1974-07-23 Sat 1975-06-29 Merc 1976-08-08 Ven Ven 1977-08-05 Sun 1980-12-04 Moon 1981-12-05 Mars 1983-08-05 Rah 1984-10-05 Jup 1987-10-06 Sat 1990-06-03 Merc 1993-08-05 Ket 1996-06-03 Sun Sun 1997-08-05 Moon 1997-11-23 Mars 1998-05-22 Rah 1998-09-30 Jup 1999-08-24 Sat 2000-06-09 Merc 2001-05-22 Ket 2002-03-27 Ven 2002-08-05 Moon Moon 2003-08-05 Mars 2004-06-03 Rah 2005-01-03 Jup 2006-07-05 Sat 2007-11-05 Merc 2009-06-03 Ket 2010-11-05 Ven 2011-06-04 Sun 2013-02-01 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| Hi Vinita, Ok, now that jupiter and mercury are sitting in the 2nd with mars, and rahu aspecting it, it does form a curse. However, it looks like a mercurial curse? Why? Mars+Rahu two natrual malefics, aspect the 2nd house, the 2nd lord and the karakas for the 2nd house (Jupiter) and moon(mars's 8th aspect, saturn's 12th aspect). Also, since Mars+Rahu is in the 8th, there is a strong karmic connection to this. Therefore the curse is centered around 2 things - family (since moon is involved) and Jupiter (wealth). There are going to be problems in both these avenues of life. Since the curse occurs in a common house, it can be overcome apparently with much effort. As far as threat to life, i don't believe there is much to worry about, because the 8th from the 8th has two benefic planets moon+ven (moon in own house) also. Thanks, - Jai vinita kumar <shankar_mamta vedic astrology Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:04:38 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) Dear Jai, Namaste! Many thanks for your quick response. U have mentioned that Jupiter should be placed well. Jupiter is in 2nd with Sun, Mercury and Ketu. Mars, of course is with Rahu. Any change in the earlier opinion based on this additional data? Regards and best wishes, Vinita vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop> wrote: > > ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| > Hi Vinita, > > Saturn being in the 6th has dristi on the 8th and will try to prolong life. Mars is however a maraka for taurus lagna and being in the 8th will try to shorten it. However, saturn is the yogakaraka and exalted in libra looking at saggitarius and Jupiter is the lord of saggitarius and if he is well positioned then there is not much threat to life as such. > > Now Mars is the 7th lord in the 8th then the person is manglik. According to what I learnt from Sanjay-ji, the spouse has to suffer manglik aspects such as excessive fighting, etc. However, if both of them have it, then they say there is no threat to life of each other's partner. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > - Jai > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta> > vedic astrology > Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:21:10 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) > > > Dear Vistiji, Nitin, Rafalji.... > > Namaste! > > I had posed a similar question earlier but since I didn't get a > response I am posing it again. > > > The combination of Mars and Saturn is supposed to give rise to Unmad > Yoga. Probably this means no peace of mind? Now my question is > whether such a yoga can be caused by aspect (and not necessarily a > conjunction)? My next question is that if Mars is a Maraka (Taurus > Lagna) and deposited in 8th House of longevity and aspected by karaka > of 8th House Saturn, what would be the net impact of this on life > span? What happens when there is an exchange of karakas - Mars karaka > of 6th House is placed in 8th and Saturn karaka of 8th house is > placed in 6th? Mars in 8th which is 12th to 7th is said to be > a "dosha" leading to loss of spouse but if Mars is posited 8th in the > chart of both the spouses (one having Taurus Lagna and the other > having Aries Lagna) will the effect cancel out or the chart having > the stronger Mars (Aries Lagna) hold sway? > > With regards, > > Vinita > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi Jai, Many thanks for your response. You have written: "As far as threat to life, i don't believe there is much to worry about, because the 8th from the 8th has two benefic planets moon+ven (moon in own house) also." My response to that is that I am not worried about threat to life. I have a desire that I should not live very long. U have mentioned about the benefics in 8th to 8th but I am told that both these benefics are involved in a curse to (or from?) Saturn and Mars. What would be impact of this on longevity? Regards, Vinita vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop> wrote: > > ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| > Hi Vinita, > > Ok, now that jupiter and mercury are sitting in the 2nd with mars, and rahu aspecting it, it does form a curse. However, it looks like a mercurial curse? Why? Mars+Rahu two natrual malefics, aspect the 2nd house, the 2nd lord and the karakas for the 2nd house (Jupiter) and moon(mars's 8th aspect, saturn's 12th aspect). Also, since Mars+Rahu is in the 8th, there is a strong karmic connection to this. Therefore the curse is centered around 2 things - family (since moon is involved) and Jupiter (wealth). There are going to be problems in both these avenues of life. Since the curse occurs in a common house, it can be overcome apparently with much effort. > > As far as threat to life, i don't believe there is much to worry about, because the 8th from the 8th has two benefic planets moon+ven (moon in own house) also. > > Thanks, > > - Jai > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta> > vedic astrology > Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:04:38 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) > > > Dear Jai, > > Namaste! > > Many thanks for your quick response. U have mentioned that Jupiter > should be placed well. Jupiter is in 2nd with Sun, Mercury and Ketu. > Mars, of course is with Rahu. Any change in the earlier opinion based > on this additional data? > > Regards and best wishes, > > Vinita > > vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop> > wrote: > > > > ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| > > Hi Vinita, > > > > Saturn being in the 6th has dristi on the 8th and will try to > prolong life. Mars is however a maraka for taurus lagna and being in > the 8th will try to shorten it. However, saturn is the yogakaraka and > exalted in libra looking at saggitarius and Jupiter is the lord of > saggitarius and if he is well positioned then there is not much > threat to life as such. > > > > Now Mars is the 7th lord in the 8th then the person is manglik. > According to what I learnt from Sanjay-ji, the spouse has to suffer > manglik aspects such as excessive fighting, etc. However, if both of > them have it, then they say there is no threat to life of each > other's partner. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Regards, > > > > - Jai > > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta> > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:21:10 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, Nitin, Rafalji.... > > > > Namaste! > > > > I had posed a similar question earlier but since I didn't get a > > response I am posing it again. > > > > > > The combination of Mars and Saturn is supposed to give rise to > Unmad > > Yoga. Probably this means no peace of mind? Now my question is > > whether such a yoga can be caused by aspect (and not necessarily a > > conjunction)? My next question is that if Mars is a Maraka (Taurus > > Lagna) and deposited in 8th House of longevity and aspected by > karaka > > of 8th House Saturn, what would be the net impact of this on life > > span? What happens when there is an exchange of karakas - Mars > karaka > > of 6th House is placed in 8th and Saturn karaka of 8th house is > > placed in 6th? Mars in 8th which is 12th to 7th is said to be > > a "dosha" leading to loss of spouse but if Mars is posited 8th in > the > > chart of both the spouses (one having Taurus Lagna and the other > > having Aries Lagna) will the effect cancel out or the chart having > > the stronger Mars (Aries Lagna) hold sway? > > > > With regards, > > > > Vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| Hi Vinita, This is what I understand about curses. If the curse has to function there are 3 attributes that need to be afflicted. The house, it's lord and the karaka for the house. In your case the 2nd house, it's lord mercury and it's karakas moon (for family) and jupiter (for wealth) are afflicted. Hence it is a curse caused by mercury. For the 8th house - the 8th house is afflicted, the 8th lord is afflicted, but the karaka for the 8th house (saturn) is not afflicted by either mars or rahu. For the 3rd house you are right, you can say that it has a curse (8th from the 8th) - 3rd house is aspected by mars+sat, 3rd lord is afflicted by mars+sat, the karaka for the 3rd mars (for brothers and parakrama) is afflicted by sat+rah. However, couple of things - 1) since the curse is occuring in a movable sign it is probably less intense 2) venus who is the atmakaraka is involved making this a possible curse, 3) I'm not quite sure if Mars is the karaka for 3rd house matters that relate to long life - Someone needs to confirm this. 4) finally, venus is the lord of lagna and the one that gives long life (being that venus represents the mrityunjaya) in the 3rd would protect you. As for when the curses get activated, we can look at the Moola-dasha's. From 1985 to 1988 it was mars's moola dasha and from 1988 until July-2005 it was Rahu's moola dasha, so i would imagine these to be the times when the effect of the curses were being felt. Now as for your "iccha" or desire to not live long, that can be a powerful thing. That is why they say that the graha's have so much influence on us, since they produce in us the desire to act (since they fill our minds with thought). So, think of brihaspathi (jupiter), Surya (sun) and chandra (moon) to have good thoughts come into your mind as these three planets represent "Sattva" guna. Hence ||Hare Ramakrishna|| (Hare - Jupiter, Rama-Sun, Krishna-Moon) is a great mantra to put these three grahas into my mind. Regards, - Jai vinita kumar <shankar_mamta vedic astrology Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:54:42 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) Hi Jai, Many thanks for your response. You have written: "As far as threat to life, i don't believe there is much to worry about, because the 8th from the 8th has two benefic planets moon+ven (moon in own house) also." My response to that is that I am not worried about threat to life. I have a desire that I should not live very long. U have mentioned about the benefics in 8th to 8th but I am told that both these benefics are involved in a curse to (or from?) Saturn and Mars. What would be impact of this on longevity? Regards, Vinita vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop> wrote: > > ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| > Hi Vinita, > > Ok, now that jupiter and mercury are sitting in the 2nd with mars, and rahu aspecting it, it does form a curse. However, it looks like a mercurial curse? Why? Mars+Rahu two natrual malefics, aspect the 2nd house, the 2nd lord and the karakas for the 2nd house (Jupiter) and moon(mars's 8th aspect, saturn's 12th aspect). Also, since Mars+Rahu is in the 8th, there is a strong karmic connection to this. Therefore the curse is centered around 2 things - family (since moon is involved) and Jupiter (wealth). There are going to be problems in both these avenues of life. Since the curse occurs in a common house, it can be overcome apparently with much effort. > > As far as threat to life, i don't believe there is much to worry about, because the 8th from the 8th has two benefic planets moon+ven (moon in own house) also. > > Thanks, > > - Jai > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta> > vedic astrology > Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:04:38 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) > > > Dear Jai, > > Namaste! > > Many thanks for your quick response. U have mentioned that Jupiter > should be placed well. Jupiter is in 2nd with Sun, Mercury and Ketu. > Mars, of course is with Rahu. Any change in the earlier opinion based > on this additional data? > > Regards and best wishes, > > Vinita > > vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop> > wrote: > > > > ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| > > Hi Vinita, > > > > Saturn being in the 6th has dristi on the 8th and will try to > prolong life. Mars is however a maraka for taurus lagna and being in > the 8th will try to shorten it. However, saturn is the yogakaraka and > exalted in libra looking at saggitarius and Jupiter is the lord of > saggitarius and if he is well positioned then there is not much > threat to life as such. > > > > Now Mars is the 7th lord in the 8th then the person is manglik. > According to what I learnt from Sanjay-ji, the spouse has to suffer > manglik aspects such as excessive fighting, etc. However, if both of > them have it, then they say there is no threat to life of each > other's partner. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Regards, > > > > - Jai > > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta> > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:21:10 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, Nitin, Rafalji.... > > > > Namaste! > > > > I had posed a similar question earlier but since I didn't get a > > response I am posing it again. > > > > > > The combination of Mars and Saturn is supposed to give rise to > Unmad > > Yoga. Probably this means no peace of mind? Now my question is > > whether such a yoga can be caused by aspect (and not necessarily a > > conjunction)? My next question is that if Mars is a Maraka (Taurus > > Lagna) and deposited in 8th House of longevity and aspected by > karaka > > of 8th House Saturn, what would be the net impact of this on life > > span? What happens when there is an exchange of karakas - Mars > karaka > > of 6th House is placed in 8th and Saturn karaka of 8th house is > > placed in 6th? Mars in 8th which is 12th to 7th is said to be > > a "dosha" leading to loss of spouse but if Mars is posited 8th in > the > > chart of both the spouses (one having Taurus Lagna and the other > > having Aries Lagna) will the effect cancel out or the chart having > > the stronger Mars (Aries Lagna) hold sway? > > > > With regards, > > > > Vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Dear Jai, My sincere thanks for your time in analysing my chart. Of the planets involved in curses, the Moola dasa is over for most of them excepting Venus which will start from 2015. Any pointers on what this dasa period will hold for me? As for the ikcha not to live very long..........it is not that I am depressed or anything.....but its a wish nevertheless. Have to accept whatever is fated, anway........ Regards, Vinita vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop> wrote: > > ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| > > Hi Vinita, > > This is what I understand about curses. If the curse has to function there are 3 attributes that need to be afflicted. The house, it's lord and the karaka for the house. In your case the 2nd house, it's lord mercury and it's karakas moon (for family) and jupiter (for wealth) are afflicted. Hence it is a curse caused by mercury. > > For the 8th house - the 8th house is afflicted, the 8th lord is afflicted, but the karaka for the 8th house (saturn) is not afflicted by either mars or rahu. > > For the 3rd house you are right, you can say that it has a curse (8th from the 8th) - 3rd house is aspected by mars+sat, 3rd lord is afflicted by mars+sat, the karaka for the 3rd mars (for brothers and parakrama) is afflicted by sat+rah. However, couple of things - 1) since the curse is occuring in a movable sign it is probably less intense 2) venus who is the atmakaraka is involved making this a possible curse, 3) I'm not quite sure if Mars is the karaka for 3rd house matters that relate to long life - Someone needs to confirm this. 4) finally, venus is the lord of lagna and the one that gives long life (being that venus represents the mrityunjaya) in the 3rd would protect you. > > As for when the curses get activated, we can look at the Moola- dasha's. From 1985 to 1988 it was mars's moola dasha and from 1988 until July-2005 it was Rahu's moola dasha, so i would imagine these to be the times when the effect of the curses were being felt. > > Now as for your "iccha" or desire to not live long, that can be a powerful thing. That is why they say that the graha's have so much influence on us, since they produce in us the desire to act (since they fill our minds with thought). So, think of brihaspathi (jupiter), Surya (sun) and chandra (moon) to have good thoughts come into your mind as these three planets represent "Sattva" guna. Hence ||Hare Ramakrishna|| (Hare - Jupiter, Rama-Sun, Krishna-Moon) is a great mantra to put these three grahas into my mind. > > Regards, > > - Jai > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta> > vedic astrology > Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:54:42 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad Yoga) > > > Hi Jai, > > Many thanks for your response. You have written: > > "As far as threat to life, i don't believe there is much to worry > about, because > the 8th from the 8th has two benefic planets moon+ven (moon in own > house) also." > > My response to that is that I am not worried about threat to life. I > have a desire that I should not live very long. U have mentioned > about the benefics in 8th to 8th but I am told that both these > benefics are involved in a curse to (or from?) Saturn and Mars. What > would be impact of this on longevity? > > Regards, > > Vinita > > > vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop> > wrote: > > > > ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| > > Hi Vinita, > > > > Ok, now that jupiter and mercury are sitting in the 2nd with mars, > and rahu aspecting it, it does form a curse. However, it looks like > a mercurial curse? Why? Mars+Rahu two natrual malefics, aspect the > 2nd house, the 2nd lord and the karakas for the 2nd house (Jupiter) > and moon(mars's 8th aspect, saturn's 12th aspect). Also, since > Mars+Rahu is in the 8th, there is a strong karmic connection to > this. Therefore the curse is centered around 2 things - family > (since moon is involved) and Jupiter (wealth). There are going to be > problems in both these avenues of life. Since the curse occurs in a > common house, it can be overcome apparently with much effort. > > > > As far as threat to life, i don't believe there is much to worry > about, because the 8th from the 8th has two benefic planets moon+ven > (moon in own house) also. > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Jai > > > > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta> > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:04:38 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad > Yoga) > > > > > > Dear Jai, > > > > Namaste! > > > > Many thanks for your quick response. U have mentioned that Jupiter > > should be placed well. Jupiter is in 2nd with Sun, Mercury and > Ketu. > > Mars, of course is with Rahu. Any change in the earlier opinion > based > > on this additional data? > > > > Regards and best wishes, > > > > Vinita > > > > vedic astrology, j balagopal > <jbalagop> > > wrote: > > > > > > ||om namo baghavate vasudevaya|| > > > Hi Vinita, > > > > > > Saturn being in the 6th has dristi on the 8th and will try to > > prolong life. Mars is however a maraka for taurus lagna and being > in > > the 8th will try to shorten it. However, saturn is the yogakaraka > and > > exalted in libra looking at saggitarius and Jupiter is the lord of > > saggitarius and if he is well positioned then there is not much > > threat to life as such. > > > > > > Now Mars is the 7th lord in the 8th then the person is manglik. > > According to what I learnt from Sanjay-ji, the spouse has to > suffer > > manglik aspects such as excessive fighting, etc. However, if both > of > > them have it, then they say there is no threat to life of each > > other's partner. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > - Jai > > > > > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta> > > > vedic astrology > > > Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:21:10 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn Mars combination ( Unmad > Yoga) > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, Nitin, Rafalji.... > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > I had posed a similar question earlier but since I didn't get a > > > response I am posing it again. > > > > > > > > > The combination of Mars and Saturn is supposed to give rise to > > Unmad > > > Yoga. Probably this means no peace of mind? Now my question is > > > whether such a yoga can be caused by aspect (and not necessarily > a > > > conjunction)? My next question is that if Mars is a Maraka > (Taurus > > > Lagna) and deposited in 8th House of longevity and aspected by > > karaka > > > of 8th House Saturn, what would be the net impact of this on > life > > > span? What happens when there is an exchange of karakas - Mars > > karaka > > > of 6th House is placed in 8th and Saturn karaka of 8th house is > > > placed in 6th? Mars in 8th which is 12th to 7th is said to be > > > a "dosha" leading to loss of spouse but if Mars is posited 8th > in > > the > > > chart of both the spouses (one having Taurus Lagna and the other > > > having Aries Lagna) will the effect cancel out or the chart > having > > > the stronger Mars (Aries Lagna) hold sway? > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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