Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Dear Sir, What about Lagna Lord in Lagna according to BPHS? is it bad to native? I couldnt find any information on this. Please share if you know. Regards, jyothi. vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Jyothi, > As per BPHS too LL placed in 5H has adverse impact on children. > Best Wishes, > Ramesh > > > > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi > Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:45 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re:To ramesh, Rafal , Lagna lord effects - > apparent contradiction > > Dear Ramesh, > > The article which confused me is from www.sjc- > serbia.com/english/articles/lagnesha.html written by the person you > mentioned (Visti Larzen). > > I had a notion as per many malayalam astrological books that Lagesha will > strengthen the bhava in which it is placed (not taking into account the > afflictions and other malefic influences). > > But according to this article, "All life must come from somewhere, and > similarly the lagneça's placement in any bhäva will deprive that bhäva of > the life-force and give it to the lagna.Just as the bhäva the planet is > placed in, is deprived of its life-force, another bhäva becomes more > auspicious. Count from lagna lord back to the lagna - the resultant amount > of signs will indicate the bhäva who prospers. > Example: If lagneça is in the 5th house, the lagna is in the 9th from the > lagneça. This increases the prosperity of the 9th house, hence Päräçara > states that not only will there be misfortune to children if lagneça is in > 5th house, but blessings from elders will also be there ". > > Contradictory to this, I have read the following from a site > (http://www.urday.com/foreasc.htm). > > "`LORD OF ASCENDANT' ITS POSITION AND EFFECTS : > > 1) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the first house itself, which is also > considered as its own house, it is considered as most auspicious situation > and as a result, the native enjoys good health and long life, is the master > of immovable properties like a king, gets benefit from his wealth, and is > very rich. > > 2) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the second house in the horoscope of a > person, he is wealthy, enjoys a long life, and is little stocky and fleshy > is also valiant and is ever ready to safeguard his religion according to the > traditions. > > 3) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the third house in the horoscope of a > person, he has an association with friends i.e. never has disputes with his > friends, is a protector and nurturer of religion and religiousness, is > charitable, very brave and powerful. > > 4) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fourth house in the horoscope of a > person, he is a favourite of the king, enjoys a long life, a devotee of his > parents and eats very little food. > > 5) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fifth house in the horoscope of a > person, he has devotion towards the deities and his forefathers, is > charitable, rich and honourable. He enjoys a happy, contented and long life > by living piously and religiously. > > 6) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the sixth house in the horoscope of a > person, he is free from diseases, is the master of numerous and various kind > of properties, is powerful, wealthy, a person of good conduct but a > tight-fisted man. > > 7) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the seventh house in the horoscope of a > person, he is full of radiance, but sorrowful is a husband of a nice, humble > and obedient wife and is endowed with beauty. > > 8) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eighth house of the horoscope of a > person, he is a tight-fisted, eveready in accumulation of wealth and enjoys > a long life. If the Lord of ascendant is an inauspicious planet, he has > defect in one of his eyes. But if the Lord of ascendant is an auspicious > planet, the person has a pleasant, nice and gentle nature. > > 9) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the ninth house in the horoscope of a > person, he has numerous friends, is friendly towards the scholar, is humble, > famous and full of radiance. > > 10) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the tenth house in the horoscope of a > person, he gets benefit from the king, is a scholar, is humble, is in the > service of the parents and teachers and become famous by the grace of the > king. > > 11) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eleventh house in the horoscope of > a person, he leads a happy and contented life, has children, is famous and a > proud possessor of many vehicles and is powerful. > > 12) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the twelfth house in the horoscope of > a person, his conducts are hard and rough, he is a sinner, a mean person, an > arrogant, normally lives in a foreign country, and likes to help the poor > people by feeding them." > > > This is what confuses me. I have seen many charts which proves the above > effects -that Lagna lord strengthens the bhave in which it is placed. > > I would like to know the experience of members according to their Lagna > lord placement in thier charts, just to check the validity. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" > <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Jyoti, > > Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned > are the > > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for > Lagna but > > not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so > good for > > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has > covered > > this subject well in his latest book. > > Best Wishes, > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do > you > > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children > (assuming no > > other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such > a case, > > where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is > placed), > > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can > you make > > that clear, if you dont mind please? > > > > In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord > is in a > > dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed > > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I > have > > understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in > some sjc > > site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava > (depriving > > the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know > which is > > correct. > > > > Regards, > > jyothi > > > > > > vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Madam, > > > > > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should > > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge. > > > > > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked > > the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will > give "mix" > > reading. Good as well as bad, > > > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as > per > > our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in > case of my > > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but > 12th > > house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken > care off. > > > > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is > > positioned and that the native will experience good results of that > bhava. > > But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's. > > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my > > knowledge. > > > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat > > house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of > exaltation > > shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic > and argala > > is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Troubled Soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote: > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a > bhava > > is > > > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in > > any > > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to > the > > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune > for > > > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct? > > > > > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the > opposite. > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is > > positioned > > > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > > > Scholars please clarify. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Good thread going on here. As per some of the malayalam texts that I have read based on Brihat Jataka, Lagna Lord in any house will only enhance the good aspects of that house. Ok then there is the two cases. What if the lagna lord is a malefic for eg. Mars or a benefic who is the Karaka for that Bhava eg. Ju as LL in the 5th house Mars in the fifth house is supposed to cause abortions and uterus related problems for the spouse and in almost all the cases that I have seen seems to have problems with the first pregnancy of your wife. Now this text also says that if Mars is in the 5th house as Lagna lord with an aspect from Ju, there will be one son who will bring happiness to your life. Also regarding the lagnesh and pakesh effects, we should also look at Mr Larsen's article. Please also refer to the Kalpadruma yoga effects since dispositors could be a strong force and the reasoning sounds very logical http://www.sjc-serbia.com/english/articles/lagnesha.html -A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 misunderstanding or misconcept can be set right. Regards, Ravi Nair jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sir, What about Lagna Lord in Lagna according to BPHS? is it bad to native? I couldnt find any information on this. Please share if you know.Regards,jyothi.--- In vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:>> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > Dear Jyothi,> As per BPHS too LL placed in 5H has adverse impact on children.> Best Wishes,> Ramesh> > > > > vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:45 PM> vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] Re:To ramesh, Rafal , Lagna lord effects -> apparent contradiction> > Dear Ramesh,> > The article which confused me is from www.sjc-> serbia.com/english/articles/lagnesha.html written by the person you> mentioned (Visti Larzen).> > I had a notion as per many malayalam astrological books that Lagesha will> strengthen the bhava in which it is placed (not taking into account the> afflictions and other malefic influences).> > But according to this article, "All life must come from somewhere, and> similarly the lagneça's placement in any bhäva will deprive that bhäva of> the life-force and give it to the lagna.Just as the bhäva the planet is> placed in, is deprived of its life-force, another bhäva becomes more> auspicious. Count from lagna lord back to the lagna - the resultant amount> of signs will indicate the bhäva who prospers. > Example: If lagneça is in the 5th house, the lagna is in the 9th from the> lagneça. This increases the prosperity of the 9th house, hence Päräçara> states that not only will there be misfortune to children if lagneça is in> 5th house, but blessings from elders will also be there ". > > Contradictory to this, I have read the following from a site> (http://www.urday.com/foreasc.htm).> > "`LORD OF ASCENDANT' ITS POSITION AND EFFECTS : > > 1) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the first house itself, which is also> considered as its own house, it is considered as most auspicious situation> and as a result, the native enjoys good health and long life, is the master> of immovable properties like a king, gets benefit from his wealth, and is> very rich.> > 2) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the second house in the horoscope of a> person, he is wealthy, enjoys a long life, and is little stocky and fleshy> is also valiant and is ever ready to safeguard his religion according to the> traditions.> > 3) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the third house in the horoscope of a> person, he has an association with friends i.e. never has disputes with his> friends, is a protector and nurturer of religion and religiousness, is> charitable, very brave and powerful.> > 4) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fourth house in the horoscope of a> person, he is a favourite of the king, enjoys a long life, a devotee of his> parents and eats very little food.> > 5) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fifth house in the horoscope of a> person, he has devotion towards the deities and his forefathers, is> charitable, rich and honourable. He enjoys a happy, contented and long life> by living piously and religiously.> > 6) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the sixth house in the horoscope of a> person, he is free from diseases, is the master of numerous and various kind> of properties, is powerful, wealthy, a person of good conduct but a> tight-fisted man.> > 7) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the seventh house in the horoscope of a> person, he is full of radiance, but sorrowful is a husband of a nice, humble> and obedient wife and is endowed with beauty.> > 8) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eighth house of the horoscope of a> person, he is a tight-fisted, eveready in accumulation of wealth and enjoys> a long life. If the Lord of ascendant is an inauspicious planet, he has> defect in one of his eyes. But if the Lord of ascendant is an auspicious> planet, the person has a pleasant, nice and gentle nature.> > 9) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the ninth house in the horoscope of a> person, he has numerous friends, is friendly towards the scholar, is humble,> famous and full of radiance.> > 10) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the tenth house in the horoscope of a> person, he gets benefit from the king, is a scholar, is humble, is in the> service of the parents and teachers and become famous by the grace of the> king.> > 11) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eleventh house in the horoscope of> a person, he leads a happy and contented life, has children, is famous and a> proud possessor of many vehicles and is powerful.> > 12) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the twelfth house in the horoscope of> a person, his conducts are hard and rough, he is a sinner, a mean person, an> arrogant, normally lives in a foreign country, and likes to help the poor> people by feeding them."> > > This is what confuses me. I have seen many charts which proves the above> effects -that Lagna lord strengthens the bhave in which it is placed. > > I would like to know the experience of members according to their Lagna> lord placement in thier charts, just to check the validity. > > Regards,> Jyothi> > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" > <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:> >> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear Jyoti,> > Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned> are the> > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for> Lagna but> > not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so> good for> > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has> covered> > this subject well in his latest book.> > Best Wishes,> > Ramesh> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of> jyothi_b_lakshmi> > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM> > To: vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects> > > > Dear sir,> > > > > > > > Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do> you> > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children> (assuming no> > other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such> a case,> > where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is> placed),> > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can> you make> > that clear, if you dont mind please? > > > > In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord> is in a> > dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed > > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I> have> > understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in> some sjc> > site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava> (depriving> > the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know> which is> > correct.> > > > Regards,> > jyothi> > > > > > vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Madam,> > > > > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should> > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge.> > > > > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked> > the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will> give "mix"> > reading. Good as well as bad,> > > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as> per> > our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in> case of my> > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but> 12th> > house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken> care off.> > > > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is> > positioned and that the native will experience good results of that> bhava.> > But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's.> > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my> > knowledge.> > > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat> > house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of> exaltation> > shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic> and argala> > is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Troubled Soul.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > > > > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a> bhava> > is> > > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in> > any> > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to> the > > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune> for > > > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct?> > > > > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the> opposite. > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is> > positioned> > > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > > > Scholars please clarify.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Jyothi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ! 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Yes, I am happy that the view changed only after my post giving the Parasar view of the LL and its placement in the 5th house. But I am sorry I am not getting a reply to my question to Dakshinastrologer about the classical literature he was referring to in support of his theory that LL is harmful in all houses. It would be nice to hear the other side which challenges the Parasara theory. Pran Razdan vedic astrology, Anoop <anoopkurup> wrote: > > Good thread going on here. As per some of the > malayalam texts that I have read based on Brihat > Jataka, > > Lagna Lord in any house will only enhance the good > aspects of that house. Ok then there is the two cases. > What if the lagna lord is a malefic for eg. Mars or a > benefic who is the Karaka for that Bhava eg. Ju as LL > in the 5th house > > Mars in the fifth house is supposed to cause abortions > and uterus related problems for the spouse and in > almost all the cases that I have seen seems to have > problems with the first pregnancy of your wife. > > Now this text also says that if Mars is in the 5th > house as Lagna lord with an aspect from Ju, there will > be one son who will bring happiness to your life. > > Also regarding the lagnesh and pakesh effects, we > should also look at Mr Larsen's article. Please also > refer to the Kalpadruma yoga effects since dispositors > could be a strong force and the reasoning sounds very > logical > http://www.sjc-serbia.com/english/articles/lagnesha.html > > -A > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 is ourselves. So wherever lagnesh occupies a house, it acuires the significance and characteristics of that house for the self only I repeat for the self. This can be understood in a better way e.g. let us assume SUN is our lagnesh and it is placed in the lagna i.e. in the sign of Leo.What is the significance of the Planet Sun? Sun is the king of all planets. Sun is a natural Atmakaraka. So the native inculcate the qualities of Sun within himself. The native thinks that he is the person above all other person. Others are nest to him.Every other person should follow him but he will not follow others. This is the reason for his downfall because Sun is a natural atmakaraka also. If the lagnesh occupies trik houses (6,8 or 12) it becomes weak being in those houses. The person may be of loose character , he may be expending more than his income but on the other side he may be residing in a foreign country from the place of his birth, he may be against his father because Sun is the karaka of father also . Like wise when Sun is in 2nd house means lagnesh has occupied the house of dhan and family. When we consider the native his source of income may be from family members. On the other hand when we consider the significances of 2nd house , the native may be living separately from his family members because of karkatwa of Sun. Likewise we may enumerate the significances and results of each houses and every planets depending upon their attributes and qualities. I tried it to make you understand in my own words and understandings. This can be verified with the known events of the native. Acually whosoever has written on this topic in this thread everybody is correct. Problem lies with us to understand the writings of verses of our great rishis. Thanks and regards, Ramesh Mishra "A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club > wrote: Dear All, Ms. Jyoti has started a nice thread and I feel it is quite educative. I would request all the learned members contribution to clear this thread and reach a common consensus based on ancient texts. I would support Ms. Jyoti's view as there are number of texts in South Indian Astrology (Malayalam) which gives immense power to LL. One book SAMBOORNA JADAKA GANITHAM by Dr. P.S. Nair, page 160/161 specifies it in detail. 1. LL if positied in any house or joined with any house lord shall add power to such house or house lord. 2. Wherever LL is posited, that house shall prosper. 3. These are subject to bad aspect or yuti or posited in trik houses (6/8/12). Since this topic touches the basics of Astrology I would request all the learned gurus to post their guidance so that misunderstanding or misconcept can be set right. Regards, Ravi Nair jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sir, What about Lagna Lord in Lagna according to BPHS? is it bad to native? I couldnt find any information on this. Please share if you know.Regards,jyothi.--- In vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:>> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > Dear Jyothi,> As per BPHS too LL placed in 5H has adverse impact on children.> Best Wishes,> Ramesh> > > > > vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi> Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:45 PM> To: vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] Re:To ramesh, Rafal , Lagna lord effects -> apparent contradiction> > Dear Ramesh,> > The article which confused me is from www.sjc-> serbia.com/english/articles/lagnesha.html written by the person you> mentioned (Visti Larzen).> > I had a notion as per many malayalam astrological books that Lagesha will> strengthen the bhava in which it is placed (not taking into account the> afflictions and other malefic influences).> > But according to this article, "All life must come from somewhere, and> similarly the lagneça's placement in any bhäva will deprive that bhäva of> the life-force and give it to the lagna.Just as the bhäva the planet is> placed in, is deprived of its life-force, another bhäva becomes more> auspicious. Count from lagna lord back to the lagna - the resultant amount> of signs will indicate the bhäva who prospers. > Example: If lagneça is in the 5th house, the lagna is in the 9th from the> lagneça. This increases the prosperity of the 9th house, hence Päräçara> states that not only will there be misfortune to children if lagneça is in> 5th house, but blessings from elders will also be there ". > > Contradictory to this, I have read the following from a site> (http://www.urday.com/foreasc.htm).> > "`LORD OF ASCENDANT' ITS POSITION AND EFFECTS : > > 1) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the first house itself, which is also> considered as its own house, it is considered as most auspicious situation> and as a result, the native enjoys good health and long life, is the master> of immovable properties like a king, gets benefit from his wealth, and is> very rich.> > 2) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the second house in the horoscope of a> person, he is wealthy, enjoys a long life, and is little stocky and fleshy> is also valiant and is ever ready to safeguard his religion according to the> traditions.> > 3) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the third house in the horoscope of a> person, he has an association with friends i.e. never has disputes with his> friends, is a protector and nurturer of religion and religiousness, is> charitable, very brave and powerful.> > 4) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fourth house in the horoscope of a> person, he is a favourite of the king, enjoys a long life, a devotee of his> parents and eats very little food.> > 5) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fifth house in the horoscope of a> person, he has devotion towards the deities and his forefathers, is> charitable, rich and honourable. He enjoys a happy, contented and long life> by living piously and religiously.> > 6) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the sixth house in the horoscope of a> person, he is free from diseases, is the master of numerous and various kind> of properties, is powerful, wealthy, a person of good conduct but a> tight-fisted man.> > 7) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the seventh house in the horoscope of a> person, he is full of radiance, but sorrowful is a husband of a nice, humble> and obedient wife and is endowed with beauty.> > 8) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eighth house of the horoscope of a> person, he is a tight-fisted, eveready in accumulation of wealth and enjoys> a long life. If the Lord of ascendant is an inauspicious planet, he has> defect in one of his eyes. But if the Lord of ascendant is an auspicious> planet, the person has a pleasant, nice and gentle nature.> > 9) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the ninth house in the horoscope of a> person, he has numerous friends, is friendly towards the scholar, is humble,> famous and full of radiance.> > 10) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the tenth house in the horoscope of a> person, he gets benefit from the king, is a scholar, is humble, is in the> service of the parents and teachers and become famous by the grace of the> king.> > 11) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eleventh house in the horoscope of> a person, he leads a happy and contented life, has children, is famous and a> proud possessor of many vehicles and is powerful.> > 12) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the twelfth house in the horoscope of> a person, his conducts are hard and rough, he is a sinner, a mean person, an> arrogant, normally lives in a foreign country, and likes to help the poor> people by feeding them."> > > This is what confuses me. I have seen many charts which proves the above> effects -that Lagna lord strengthens the bhave in which it is placed. > > I would like to know the experience of members according to their Lagna> lord placement in thier charts, just to check the validity. > > Regards,> Jyothi> > > --- In vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" > <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:> >> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear Jyoti,> > Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned> are the> > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for> Lagna but> > not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so> good for> > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has> covered> > this subject well in his latest book.> > Best Wishes,> > Ramesh> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of> jyothi_b_lakshmi> > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM> > To: vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects> > > > Dear sir,> > > > > > > > Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do> you> > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children> (assuming no> > other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such> a case,> > where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is> placed),> > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can> you make> > that clear, if you dont mind please? > > > > In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord> is in a> > dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed > > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I> have> > understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in> some sjc> > site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava> (depriving> > the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know> which is> > correct.> > > > Regards,> > jyothi> > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Madam,> > > > > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should> > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge.> > > > > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked> > the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will> give "mix"> > reading. Good as well as bad,> > > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as> per> > our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in> case of my> > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but> 12th> > house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken> care off.> > > > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is> > positioned and that the native will experience good results of that> bhava.> > But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's.> > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my> > knowledge.> > > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat> > house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of> exaltation> > shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic> and argala> > is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Troubled Soul.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > > > > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a> bhava> > is> > > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in> > any> > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to> the > > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune> for > > > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct?> > > > > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the> opposite. > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is> > positioned> > > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > > > Scholars please clarify.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Jyothi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > ....... 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