Kundalini Awakening _Sre-eram_reply to Rivolena

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>Sre-eram,

 

Rivolena: Your mail was condescending and disrespectfull towards

the members here and you obviously have a high opinion of yourself

and low regard for others judging from your statements.

 

Srinivas response:

As a person with indepth knowledge & experience, one cannot stand a

mutely to the distortive or immatured writings. Your single

response is a testimony. When you write to a public forum, one has

to think and evaluate a lot. One deliberate yet caliberated reply

of mine ( with appropriate reasons & content ) - did evoke a quick

response from you. Think about someone writing loosely !!!

 

Any person who has experienced kundalini will not normally share

that unique experience with anyone - unless he meets a person of

equal stature. ( note Mr. PVR's own experience... the D20 analysis

of a known person ....already posted in the forum).

 

While you call it "risky" process, I call it a smooth inevitable

process !! Opinions can differ. Wanted to stress here, that any

expression verbal or written is a limited exercise or limiting the

entire expression itself !!! When you wrote "risky", it may not

be your proper choice, could be for want of time or vocalbulary it

came out. It would be wrong on my part to harp on "risky" and start

a hot debate on it !!!!????

 

Hinduism or Vedic science has already undergone humiliation at many

hands - what to speak we hindus ourselves belittle our "Gods". Lord

Krishna has "n" number of girlfriends, so what is wrong if I also

desire so. Lord Shiva drinks "bhang", so do I....etc.. There are

so many gods, whom to worship ??? So i do not worship anyone !!!

 

One may not dare to admit this in the public, yet the reality stands.

 

Yet raising a stern/concerned voice - should you feel it

arrogant, be it so. I do not mind.

 

I would also request you to kindly go through my previous postings

(not many ), to know, which may allay any negative thoughts that you

may have.

 

should you have anything to write kindly shoot directly into my mail

box ( offline ) sreeram64

 

srinivas

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Dear Friends,

> As a person with indepth knowledge & experience, one cannot stand a

> mutely to the distortive or immatured writings.

Yes? No? People with at least some experience may react differently.

When Christ saw all those Shop keepers in the Jerusalem temple, he

took the weapon and beat them out of the temple. But when Buddha was

scolded and abused by the people he kept his calm, and never reacted

to their words understanding that they are still in that sleep,

lacking the enlightenment/awakening that comes from the depths of

soul/the timeless. It is said that Buddha never laughed, but Lavothsu

was always laughing. All of them were enlightened souls and even

enlightened souls may react/respond differently. With out the real

experience of that elevated state of mind/ or more clearly that

mindlessness we *cannot* understand the one with experience.

May be Srinivas ji is right, or may be not!! I am no person to

judge - only that I am sure about!!!

> Any person who has experienced kundalini will not normally share

> that unique experience with anyone - unless he meets a person of

> equal stature.

No. They are not sharing their experience. *Spiritual experience can

not be shared*. (I am not talking about the amount of years for which

one is doing the sadhana, but the

real ::soul?/mind?/mental?/spiritual? - I am lacking word ::

experience one had) That are just talking about their experience,

that is all to it. With the hope that the other person with similar

experience may understand it. Yes, only two people with similar

experience can understand such highly subjective experience - i.e

Enlightenment (Or you can call it Kundalini awakening).

Sreevivas ji ? MasterJ ? PVR ? Me ? Bharat ? Many others who spoke

in the VA forum ? = Do we have it?

Can we consider ourselves us ENLIGHTENED SOULS who have attained the

BUDHA state and who could authentically speak about the experience

and sadhana system to be followed to attain the same, AT LEAST to our

sishyas? NO, PROBABLY NOT. At least in my case, I am sure, it is an

emphatic NO!!!

So, please....we don't deserve to handle this subject. So let us

stop discussing it in public (for no use! = for there is not even an

authentic teacher on the same in VA forum), and move on to astrology.

We are not YanjchaValkya of Brihadaranya Upanishad to say

that, "Yes, I am authentic!!". And that is why my humble plea...

Of couse, I don't expect an answer for this mail. Since I don't want

to talk about it any further. I don't consider myself as person who

would dare to *speak about Kundalini awakening* - It sounds absurd!!!

It is my last mail on the subject and I withdraw from all these

arguments, and won't like to comment on anyone's responses any

further.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, "Sre_eram" <sreeram64@s...>

wrote:

>

>

> >Sre-eram,

>

> Rivolena: Your mail was condescending and disrespectfull towards

> the members here and you obviously have a high opinion of yourself

> and low regard for others judging from your statements.

>

> Srinivas response:

> As a person with indepth knowledge & experience, one cannot stand a

> mutely to the distortive or immatured writings. Your single

> response is a testimony. When you write to a public forum, one

has

> to think and evaluate a lot. One deliberate yet caliberated reply

> of mine ( with appropriate reasons & content ) - did evoke a quick

> response from you. Think about someone writing loosely !!!

>

> Any person who has experienced kundalini will not normally share

> that unique experience with anyone - unless he meets a person of

> equal stature. ( note Mr. PVR's own experience... the D20 analysis

> of a known person ....already posted in the forum).

>

> While you call it "risky" process, I call it a smooth inevitable

> process !! Opinions can differ. Wanted to stress here, that any

> expression verbal or written is a limited exercise or limiting the

> entire expression itself !!! When you wrote "risky", it may not

> be your proper choice, could be for want of time or vocalbulary it

> came out. It would be wrong on my part to harp on "risky" and

start

> a hot debate on it !!!!????

>

> Hinduism or Vedic science has already undergone humiliation at many

> hands - what to speak we hindus ourselves belittle our "Gods".

Lord

> Krishna has "n" number of girlfriends, so what is wrong if I also

> desire so. Lord Shiva drinks "bhang", so do I....etc.. There are

> so many gods, whom to worship ??? So i do not worship anyone !!!

>

> One may not dare to admit this in the public, yet the reality

stands.

>

> Yet raising a stern/concerned voice - should you feel it

> arrogant, be it so. I do not mind.

>

> I would also request you to kindly go through my previous postings

> (not many ), to know, which may allay any negative thoughts that

you

> may have.

>

> should you have anything to write kindly shoot directly into my

mail

> box ( offline ) sreeram64@s...

>

> srinivas

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste friends,

 

I have been away from the lists for a few days because of a few different poojas

and today had a little time to catch up.

 

> Can we consider ourselves us ENLIGHTENED SOULS who have attained the > BUDHA

state and who could authentically speak about the experience > and sadhana

system to be followed to attain the same, AT LEAST to our > sishyas? NO,

PROBABLY NOT.

 

Whenever the topic of Kundalino comes, some people start talking as if merely

having a Kundalini awakening makes one an "enlightened soul" or a "Buddha".

That is not true at all. Kundalini awakening is not a big deal and a very very

small thing compared to enlightenment. Thousands of people experience Kundalini

awakening and many may even succeed in having Kundalini rise. But they all do

not become enlightened.

 

I know some people that I am convinced had a Kundalini awakening. They are all

people whose self-consciousness is making progress in reaching higher planes of

consciousness. But none of them, except one, is an "enlightened soul" who

attained the "Buddha state".

 

The reason for this latest thread is some assertions by Prabodh that I thought

were simply incorrect and needed to be corrected. I was not talking about the

highest state of enlightenment, but talking about the Kundalini awakening which

is more like the first step rather than the last step.

 

I can say confidently that (1) Kundalini can awaken in ladies also and (2)

Kundalini awakening and rise can occur thru various means, including Bhakti

yoga and Jnaana yoga and not just Raja yoga as Prabodh asserted.

 

Irrespective of my own spiritual stature or that of people I know, I am quite

confident of the above two assertions and thought it appropriate to refute

wrong assertions being made. Based on the books I read as well experiences of

people I know, I know that Prabodh's assertions are incorrect.

 

> > Any person who has experienced kundalini will not normally share > > that

unique experience with anyone -

 

The point that people do not go around talking about their Kundalini experiences

is correct. A spiritual person does not advertize his credentials.

 

Moreover, sharing some details relating to the manifestation of the experience

does not amount to sharing the experience. Words cannot capture certain

experiences. You can explain in many words how snow is to someone on the

equator who has never seen snow in life, but he may not understand it or

understand it incorrectly. Words cannot always capture to perfection the

concepts/experiences/thoughts they try to express.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear Friends,> > As a person with indepth knowledge & experience, one cannot

stand a > > mutely to the distortive or immatured writings. > Yes? No? People

with at least some experience may react differently. > When Christ saw all

those Shop keepers in the Jerusalem temple, he > took the weapon and beat them

out of the temple. But when Buddha was > scolded and abused by the people he

kept his calm, and never reacted > to their words understanding that they are

still in that sleep, > lacking the enlightenment/awakening that comes from the

depths of > soul/the timeless. It is said that Buddha never laughed, but

Lavothsu > was always laughing. All of them were enlightened souls and even >

enlightened souls may react/respond differently. With out the real > experience

of that elevated state of mind/ or more clearly that > mindlessness we *cannot*

understand the one with experience. > May be Srinivas ji is right, or may be

not!! I am no person to > judge - only that I am sure about!!!> > Any person

who has experienced kundalini will not normally share > > that unique

experience with anyone - unless he meets a person of > > equal stature.> No.

They are not sharing their experience. *Spiritual experience can > not be

shared*. (I am not talking about the amount of years for which > one is doing

the sadhana, but the > real ::soul?/mind?/mental?/spiritual? - I am lacking

word :: > experience one had) That are just talking about their experience, >

that is all to it. With the hope that the other person with similar >

experience may understand it. Yes, only two people with similar > experience

can understand such highly subjective experience - i.e > Enlightenment (Or you

can call it Kundalini awakening). > Sreevivas ji ? MasterJ ? PVR ? Me ? Bharat

? Many others who spoke > in the VA forum ? = Do we have it? > Can we consider

ourselves us ENLIGHTENED SOULS who have attained the > BUDHA state and who

could authentically speak about the experience > and sadhana system to be

followed to attain the same, AT LEAST to our > sishyas? NO, PROBABLY NOT. At

least in my case, I am sure, it is an > emphatic NO!!!> So, please....we don't

deserve to handle this subject. So let us > stop discussing it in public (for no

use! = for there is not even an > authentic teacher on the same in VA forum),

and move on to astrology. > We are not YanjchaValkya of Brihadaranya Upanishad

to say > that, "Yes, I am authentic!!". And that is why my humble plea...> Of

couse, I don't expect an answer for this mail. Since I don't want > to talk

about it any further. I don't consider myself as person who > would dare to

*speak about Kundalini awakening* - It sounds absurd!!! > It is my last mail on

the subject and I withdraw from all these > arguments, and won't like to comment

on anyone's responses any > further. > Love,> Sreenadh> > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sre_eram" <sreeram64@s...> > wrote:> >> > > >

>Sre-eram,> > > > Rivolena: Your mail was condescending and disrespectfull

towards > > the members here and you obviously have a high opinion of yourself

> > and low regard for others judging from your statements. > > > > Srinivas

response: > > As a person with indepth knowledge & experience, one cannot

stand a > > mutely to the distortive or immatured writings. Your single > >

response is a testimony. When you write to a public forum, one > has > > to

think and evaluate a lot. One deliberate yet caliberated reply > > of mine (

with appropriate reasons & content ) - did evoke a quick > > response from you.

Think about someone writing loosely !!!> > > > Any person who has experienced

kundalini will not normally share > > that unique experience with anyone -

unless he meets a person of > > equal stature. ( note Mr. PVR's own

experience... the D20 analysis > > of a known person ....already posted in the

forum).> > > > While you call it "risky" process, I call it a smooth inevitable

> > process !! Opinions can differ. Wanted to stress here, that any > >

expression verbal or written is a limited exercise or limiting the > > entire

expression itself !!! When you wrote "risky", it may not > > be your proper

choice, could be for want of time or vocalbulary it > > came out. It would be

wrong on my part to harp on "risky" and > start > > a hot debate on it

!!!!????> > > > Hinduism or Vedic science has already undergone humiliation at

many > > hands - what to speak we hindus ourselves belittle our "Gods". > Lord

> > Krishna has "n" number of girlfriends, so what is wrong if I also > > desire

so. Lord Shiva drinks "bhang", so do I....etc.. There are > > so many gods,

whom to worship ??? So i do not worship anyone !!!> > > > One may not dare to

admit this in the public, yet the reality > stands.> > > > Yet raising a

stern/concerned voice - should you feel it > > arrogant, be it so. I do

not mind.> > > > I would also request you to kindly go through my previous

postings > > (not many ), to know, which may allay any negative thoughts that >

you > > may have.> > > > should you have anything to write kindly shoot directly

into my > mail > > box ( offline ) sreeram64@s... > > > > srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha Namste

 

My assertions are not wrong and I think it is a well known fact

that Kundalini is a subclass of Raj yoga. All the paths will give

you same ultimate knowledge but I still say that all paths will not

invoke Kundalini in you. You will be in same state of ultimate

knowledge through other means like Bhakti and Gyana yoga as you

would be with Kundalini yoga. But you seem to get carried away by

popular perception about Kundalini. Scriptures dont say that all

paths will invoke kundalini in you. It is your (incorrect) opinion

that all paths invoke kundalini. I fail to understand why do you

consider that all paths will invoke Kundalini! Kundalini is not a

very essential thing according to scriptures. On the other hand

Kundalini is a very specific and difficult way of learning. It has

its own drawbacks and because of that Adi Shankaracharya had to

refute this way of obtaining knowledge. If Adi Shankaracharya had

refuted it,why to make a big issue out of Kundalini?

 

I did not want to say anything about Kundalini here again but since

you are frequently saying that I am wrong I have to put my point of

view. Ofcourse this is my last mail on this topic.

 

Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

 

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> I have been away from the lists for a few days because of a few

different poojas and today had a little time to catch up.

>

> > Can we consider ourselves us ENLIGHTENED SOULS who have

attained the

> > BUDHA state and who could authentically speak about the

experience

> > and sadhana system to be followed to attain the same, AT LEAST

to our

> > sishyas? NO, PROBABLY NOT.

>

> Whenever the topic of Kundalino comes, some people start talking

as if merely having a Kundalini awakening makes one an "enlightened

soul" or a "Buddha". That is not true at all. Kundalini awakening is

not a big deal and a very very small thing compared to

enlightenment. Thousands of people experience Kundalini awakening

and many may even succeed in having Kundalini rise. But they all do

not become enlightened.

>

> I know some people that I am convinced had a Kundalini awakening.

They are all people whose self-consciousness is making progress in

reaching higher planes of consciousness. But none of them, except

one, is an "enlightened soul" who attained the "Buddha state".

>

> The reason for this latest thread is some assertions by Prabodh

that I thought were simply incorrect and needed to be corrected. I

was not talking about the highest state of enlightenment, but

talking about the Kundalini awakening which is more like the first

step rather than the last step.

>

> I can say confidently that (1) Kundalini can awaken in ladies also

and (2) Kundalini awakening and rise can occur thru various means,

including Bhakti yoga and Jnaana yoga and not just Raja yoga as

Prabodh asserted.

>

> Irrespective of my own spiritual stature or that of people I know,

I am quite confident of the above two assertions and thought it

appropriate to refute wrong assertions being made. Based on the

books I read as well experiences of people I know, I know that

Prabodh's assertions are incorrect.

>

> > > Any person who has experienced kundalini will not normally

share

> > > that unique experience with anyone -

>

> The point that people do not go around talking about their

Kundalini experiences is correct. A spiritual person does not

advertize his credentials.

>

> Moreover, sharing some details relating to the manifestation of

the experience does not amount to sharing the experience. Words

cannot capture certain experiences. You can explain in many words

how snow is to someone on the equator who has never seen snow in

life, but he may not understand it or understand it incorrectly.

Words cannot always capture to perfection the

concepts/experiences/thoughts they try to express.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> > Dear Friends,

> > > As a person with indepth knowledge & experience, one cannot

stand a

> > > mutely to the distortive or immatured writings.

> > Yes? No? People with at least some experience may react

differently.

> > When Christ saw all those Shop keepers in the Jerusalem temple,

he

> > took the weapon and beat them out of the temple. But when Buddha

was

> > scolded and abused by the people he kept his calm, and never

reacted

> > to their words understanding that they are still in that sleep,

> > lacking the enlightenment/awakening that comes from the depths

of

> > soul/the timeless. It is said that Buddha never laughed, but

Lavothsu

> > was always laughing. All of them were enlightened souls and even

> > enlightened souls may react/respond differently. With out the

real

> > experience of that elevated state of mind/ or more clearly that

> > mindlessness we *cannot* understand the one with experience.

> > May be Srinivas ji is right, or may be not!! I am no person to

> > judge - only that I am sure about!!!

> > > Any person who has experienced kundalini will not normally

share

> > > that unique experience with anyone - unless he meets a person

of

> > > equal stature.

> > No. They are not sharing their experience. *Spiritual

experience can

> > not be shared*. (I am not talking about the amount of years for

which

> > one is doing the sadhana, but the

> > real ::soul?/mind?/mental?/spiritual? - I am lacking word ::

> > experience one had) That are just talking about their

experience,

> > that is all to it. With the hope that the other person with

similar

> > experience may understand it. Yes, only two people with similar

> > experience can understand such highly subjective experience -

i.e

> > Enlightenment (Or you can call it Kundalini awakening).

> > Sreevivas ji ? MasterJ ? PVR ? Me ? Bharat ? Many others who

spoke

> > in the VA forum ? = Do we have it?

> > Can we consider ourselves us ENLIGHTENED SOULS who have

attained the

> > BUDHA state and who could authentically speak about the

experience

> > and sadhana system to be followed to attain the same, AT LEAST

to our

> > sishyas? NO, PROBABLY NOT. At least in my case, I am sure, it

is an

> > emphatic NO!!!

> > So, please....we don't deserve to handle this subject. So let

us

> > stop discussing it in public (for no use! = for there is not

even an

> > authentic teacher on the same in VA forum), and move on to

astrology.

> > We are not YanjchaValkya of Brihadaranya Upanishad to say

> > that, "Yes, I am authentic!!". And that is why my humble plea...

> > Of couse, I don't expect an answer for this mail. Since I don't

want

> > to talk about it any further. I don't consider myself as person

who

> > would dare to *speak about Kundalini awakening* - It sounds

absurd!!!

> > It is my last mail on the subject and I withdraw from all these

> > arguments, and won't like to comment on anyone's responses any

> > further.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sre_eram"

<sreeram64@s...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >Sre-eram,

> > >

> > > Rivolena: Your mail was condescending and disrespectfull

towards

> > > the members here and you obviously have a high opinion of

yourself

> > > and low regard for others judging from your statements.

> > >

> > > Srinivas response:

> > > As a person with indepth knowledge & experience, one cannot

stand a

> > > mutely to the distortive or immatured writings. Your single

> > > response is a testimony. When you write to a public forum,

one

> > has

> > > to think and evaluate a lot. One deliberate yet caliberated

reply

> > > of mine ( with appropriate reasons & content ) - did evoke a

quick

> > > response from you. Think about someone writing loosely !!!

> > >

> > > Any person who has experienced kundalini will not normally

share

> > > that unique experience with anyone - unless he meets a person

of

> > > equal stature. ( note Mr. PVR's own experience... the D20

analysis

> > > of a known person ....already posted in the forum).

> > >

> > > While you call it "risky" process, I call it a smooth

inevitable

> > > process !! Opinions can differ. Wanted to stress here, that

any

> > > expression verbal or written is a limited exercise or limiting

the

> > > entire expression itself !!! When you wrote "risky", it may

not

> > > be your proper choice, could be for want of time or

vocalbulary it

> > > came out. It would be wrong on my part to harp on "risky" and

> > start

> > > a hot debate on it !!!!????

> > >

> > > Hinduism or Vedic science has already undergone humiliation at

many

> > > hands - what to speak we hindus ourselves belittle

our "Gods".

> > Lord

> > > Krishna has "n" number of girlfriends, so what is wrong if I

also

> > > desire so. Lord Shiva drinks "bhang", so do I....etc.. There

are

> > > so many gods, whom to worship ??? So i do not worship

anyone !!!

> > >

> > > One may not dare to admit this in the public, yet the reality

> > stands.

> > >

> > > Yet raising a stern/concerned voice - should you feel it

> > > arrogant, be it so. I do not mind.

> > >

> > > I would also request you to kindly go through my previous

postings

> > > (not many ), to know, which may allay any negative thoughts

that

> > you

> > > may have.

> > >

> > > should you have anything to write kindly shoot directly into

my

> > mail

> > > box ( offline ) sreeram64@s...

> > >

> > > srinivas

>