Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Dear All, It is an interesting thread and the comments here-in have raised an issue of grave concern to me. I am a Capricorn Acsendent and my LL Saturn is in the 5th. house. From what I read that the LL in the 5th. house affects children. I have a lovely daughter (4 years) and though married I am as good as a single working parent. Her well-being is always a concern. Will such a placement have any adverse impact. ( P.S: My LL also forms a benefic exchange with my Venus which is in the 2nd house and am currently 2 years into my Venus Mahadasha..does this help in any way!) Eagerly awaiting guidance and clarification from the learned people on this site. Thanks. Punam. vedic astrology, "Ajay Zharotia" <ajay@c...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ramesh ji,Pranaam > > A request, can you please use non-italic font, otherwise it become difficult to read. It is my observation. You may differ. > > Thanks & Regards > > Ajay Zharotia > ajayzharotia > - > Ramesh F. Gangaramani > vedic astrology > Saturday, December 17, 2005 6:39 AM > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Asha, > Saturn is karaka for longevity (8H) and hence will not harm the karatwa. Such a placement therefore gives long life. Impact of planet thus depends on its karkatwas and also lordship. > Best Wishes, > Ramesh > > > > > -- ---------- > vedic astrology [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of Asha Kamath > Friday, December 16, 2005 2:39 AM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > > Rameshji, I was always told that due to the Saturn in my 8th house I will have a long life. But what u are saying is that the life will be short! not that it matters > br > asha > > "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Jyoti, > Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna but > not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good for > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered > this subject well in his latest book. > Best Wishes, > Ramesh > > > > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > Dear sir, > > > > Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do you > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming no > other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, > where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed), > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you make > that clear, if you dont mind please? > > In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a > dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I have > understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjc > site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(depriving > the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which is > correct. > > Regards, > jyothi > > > vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind> wrote: > > > > Namaste Madam, > > > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge. > > > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked > the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix" > reading. Good as well as bad, > > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per > our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of my > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12th > house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. > > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is > positioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's. > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my > knowledge. > > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat > house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltation > shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala > is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed. > > > > Regards, > > Troubled Soul. > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote: > > Respected Sirs, > > > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhava > is > > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in > any > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for > > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct? > > > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite. > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is > positioned > > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > > Scholars please clarify. > > > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ramesh, Namaskar One can be sickly, yet still have long life. It is like the scene that we now see with patients who are HIV possitive, and lead a normal life due to their medication. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ramesh F. Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 17 December 2005 02:09 To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects 12.0pt"> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat 12.0pt"> Dear Asha, Saturn is karaka for longevity (8H) and hence will not harm the karatwa. Such a placement therefore gives long life. Impact of planet thus depends on its karkatwas and also lordship. Best Wishes, bold">Ramesh 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Asha Kamath Friday, December 16, 2005 2:39 AM vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects 12.0pt">Rameshji, I was always told that due to the Saturn in my 8th house I will have a long life. But what u are saying is that the life will be short! not that it matters 12.0pt">br 12.0pt">asha "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Jyoti, Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna but not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good for longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered this subject well in his latest book. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear sir, Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do you feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming no other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed), will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you make that clear, if you dont mind please? In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I have understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjc site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(depriving the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which is correct. Regards, jyothi vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner <vedicastro_mind> wrote: > > Namaste Madam, > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should contiribute to incresae our knolwedge. > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix" reading. Good as well as bad, > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of my friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12th house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is positioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's. > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my knowledge. > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltation shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed. > > Regards, > Troubled Soul. > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote: > Respected Sirs, > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhava is > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in any > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct? > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite. > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is positioned > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > Scholars please clarify. > > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Dear Sh Murthi, Thanks for reproducing the entire chapter from BPHS. The quote for the 5th bhava in my post was from the chapter on Panchambhavphal, 16th or 17th chapter in BPHS which is unequivocal on the good effect of Lagnesh in the fifth house. But if it looks like contradiction, it need not be because a rishi like Parashar would not leave any contradiction. This is explained by the last shaloka which you have quoted that the effect is subject to several conditions like strength, age, aspects etc of the graha. But to me it looks like Parasar has become irrelevant because of several radical and innovative theories doing rounds on this site. There are so many gurus who claim of knowing and propounding theories for the benefit of "learners". One doesn't know whether these theories are based on so called classical texts (which invariably are kept secret) or their own experience which must then indeed be very comprehensive so as to nullify our old munis' knowledge. Pran Razdan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Dear Sh Murthi, Thanks for reproducing the entire chapter from BPHS. The quote for the 5th bhava in my post was from the chapter on Panchambhavphal, 16th or 17th chapter in BPHS which is unequivocal on the good effect of Lagnesh in the fifth house. But if it looks like contradiction, it need not be because a rishi like Parashar would not leave any contradiction. This is explained by the last shaloka which you have quoted that the effect is subject to several conditions like strength, age, aspects etc of the graha. But to me it looks like Parasar has become irrelevant because of several radical and innovative theories doing rounds on this site. There are so many gurus who claim of knowing and propounding theories for the benefit of "learners". One doesn't know whether these theories are based on so called classical texts (which invariably are kept secret) or their own experience which must then indeed be very comprehensive so as to nullify our old munis' knowledge. Pran Razdan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Thanks for your mail .Please see the extract of the said verse about putra bhava Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra Chapter 16 Effects of Putr Bhava 1-3. 0 Brahmin, now I tell you the effects related to Putr Bhava. If the lords of Lagn and Putr are in their own rashis or in an angle, or in a trine, one will enjoy thorough happiness through his children. You can see that both the lagna lord and putra bhava lord should simultaneously be in their own rashis or trines or angles to give such a favourable effects as said by you.When already lagna lord placement effects have been described by Parashara in an earlier chapter and again he's bringing the said lord into discussion of 5th lord ,mean that the simultaneous effects to be taken into consideration and not in isolation-5th lord in own rashi/trine/or angle. regards srinivas murthy "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan > vedic astrologyTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effectsSat, 17 Dec 2005 08:57:13 -0000Dear Sh Murthi,Thanks for reproducing the entire chapter from BPHS. The quote for the5th bhava in my post was from the chapter on Panchambhavphal, 16th or17th chapter in BPHS which is unequivocal on the good effect ofLagnesh in the fifth house. But if it looks like contradiction, itneed not be because a rishi like Parashar would not leave anycontradiction. This is explained by the last shaloka which you havequoted that the effect is subject to several conditions like strength,age, aspects etc of the graha.But to me it looks like Parasar has become irrelevant because ofseveral radical and innovative theories doing rounds on this site.There are so many gurus who claim of knowing and propounding theoriesfor the benefit of "learners". One doesn't know whether these theoriesare based on so called classical texts (which invariably are keptsecret) or their own experience which must then indeed be verycomprehensive so as to nullify our old munis' knowledge.Pran RazdanArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Dear Mr Murthy, I entirely agree. This is the correct translation. The context in which I referred to this shaloka in the beginning was in response to the ill effects that were ascribed to the LL in general, which according to my reading did not go well with the classical texts. Incidentally would you please favour me with this site of on-line english translation of BPHS since the one I have is not as accurate as the one you seem to be quoting. Normally I go by the Sanskrit text itself but sometimes I miss some words in the translation. Pran Razdan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Sure, it only gives longevity, health will be seen from Lagna and lagna lord. I take it, Saturn in 8H by itself does not make the native sickly. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenSaturday, December 17, 2005 2:40 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ramesh, Namaskar One can be sickly, yet still have long life. It is like the scene that we now see with patients who are HIV possitive, and lead a normal life due to their medication. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Ramesh F. Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 17 December 2005 02:09vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Asha, Saturn is karaka for longevity (8H) and hence will not harm the karatwa. Such a placement therefore gives long life. Impact of planet thus depends on its karkatwas and also lordship. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Asha KamathFriday, December 16, 2005 2:39 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Rameshji, I was always told that due to the Saturn in my 8th house I will have a long life. But what u are saying is that the life will be short! not that it matters br asha"Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Jyoti,Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are theagenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna butnot so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good forlongevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has coveredthis subject well in his latest book.Best Wishes,Ramesh vedic astrology[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmiThursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effectsDear sir, Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do youfeel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming noother affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case,where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed),will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you makethat clear, if you dont mind please? In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in adusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placedthere(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I haveunderstood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjcsite), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(deprivingthe life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which iscorrect.Regards,jyothivedic astrology, Jyotish Learner<vedicastro_mind> wrote:>> Namaste Madam,> > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus shouldcontiribute to incresae our knolwedge.> > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have askedthe other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix"reading. Good as well as bad,> as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as perour classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of myfriend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12thhouse also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off.> > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava.But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's.> Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per myknowledge.> I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dathouse becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltationshouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argalais imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed.> > Regards,> Troubled Soul.> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> Respected Sirs,> > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhavais > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement inany > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct?> > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite. > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > Scholars please clarify.> > > Regards,> Jyothi> > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> vedic astrology> > Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms ofService. > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://au.messenger.>------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Joinmodern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healinghttp://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM--~-> Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Asha Kamath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Dear Ramesh, Health is seen from Dispositor of Lagnesh specifically. (As Karaka-dispositor is Surya). Attitude towards health is from position of Surya. Malefics in Lagna gives disturbance to Prana which can cause bad health. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Ramesh F. Gangaramani vedic astrology Saturday, December 17, 2005 3:09 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Sure, it only gives longevity, health will be seen from Lagna and lagna lord. I take it, Saturn in 8H by itself does not make the native sickly. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenSaturday, December 17, 2005 2:40 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ramesh, Namaskar One can be sickly, yet still have long life. It is like the scene that we now see with patients who are HIV possitive, and lead a normal life due to their medication. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Ramesh F. Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 17 December 2005 02:09vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Asha, Saturn is karaka for longevity (8H) and hence will not harm the karatwa. Such a placement therefore gives long life. Impact of planet thus depends on its karkatwas and also lordship. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Asha KamathFriday, December 16, 2005 2:39 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Rameshji, I was always told that due to the Saturn in my 8th house I will have a long life. But what u are saying is that the life will be short! not that it matters br asha"Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Jyoti,Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are theagenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna butnot so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good forlongevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has coveredthis subject well in his latest book.Best Wishes,Ramesh vedic astrology[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmiThursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effectsDear sir, Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do youfeel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming noother affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case,where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed),will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you makethat clear, if you dont mind please? In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in adusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placedthere(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I haveunderstood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjcsite), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(deprivingthe life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which iscorrect.Regards,jyothivedic astrology, Jyotish Learner<vedicastro_mind> wrote:>> Namaste Madam,> > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus shouldcontiribute to incresae our knolwedge.> > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have askedthe other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix"reading. Good as well as bad,> as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as perour classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of myfriend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12thhouse also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off.> > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava.But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's.> Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per myknowledge.> I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dathouse becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltationshouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argalais imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed.> > Regards,> Troubled Soul.> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> Respected Sirs,> > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhavais > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement inany > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct?> > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite. > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > Scholars please clarify.> > > Regards,> Jyothi> > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Dear Shri.pnrazdan, Our Guruji is a traditionalist to the core. He never mixes classical theories with his own. If he says something based on his experience, he always says so explictly. He never takes liberties, nor does allow any of his disciples to take liberties with rishi pramanas. Guruji is having a manuscript of translation of BPHS by Shri.N.N.Krishna Rau, and Shri. V.B.Choudhari which came to him from the astrological works collection of an astrologer who is of revered memory. I do not know if he quoted the relevant portions from that text, because usually he goes by the original classics in sanskrit as he feels that sometimes translators sometimes tend to miss out important details or qualifying factors while doing their tedious task of translating voluminous works. I do not know if I have done the right thing in answering on behalf of my Guruji, but as your repeated mails seem to evoke no response, I assume that He is preoccupied with some important work. That is why I thought of saying something which I know. regards, --- pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote: Dear Sh Murthi, Thanks for reproducing the entire chapter from BPHS. The quote for the 5th bhava in my post was from the chapter on Panchambhavphal, 16th or 17th chapter in BPHS which is unequivocal on the good effect of Lagnesh in the fifth house. But if it looks like contradiction, it need not be because a rishi like Parashar would not leave any contradiction. This is explained by the last shaloka which you have quoted that the effect is subject to several conditions like strength, age, aspects etc of the graha. But to me it looks like Parasar has become irrelevant because of several radical and innovative theories doing rounds on this site. There are so many gurus who claim of knowing and propounding theories for the benefit of "learners". One doesn't know whether these theories are based on so called classical texts (which invariably are kept secret) or their own experience which must then indeed be very comprehensive so as to nullify our old munis' knowledge. Pran Razdan Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Terms of Service. Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Visti, Ramesh and other learned people, I have a basic doubt. If saturn as LL in 8H cannot be inimical to the longevity of a person, because it is the karaka for the same, then Jupiter as LL shouldn't be inimical to children either when placed in 5H. Should it be? ....and what about other karakatwas? Ve as LL in the 7H, is it not good for spouse? what about Ketu as LL in the 12H, is it still inimical to 12H? Your response is much appreciated. Best wishes Amit vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visti, > Sure, it only gives longevity, health will be seen from Lagna and lagna > lord. I take it, Saturn in 8H by itself does not make the native sickly. > Best Wishes, > Ramesh > > > _____ > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen > Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:40 AM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ramesh, Namaskar > > One can be sickly, yet still have long life. It is like the scene that we > now see with patients who are HIV possitive, and lead a normal life due to > their medication. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Ramesh F. Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani] > 17 December 2005 02:09 > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Asha, > > Saturn is karaka for longevity (8H) and hence will not harm the karatwa. > Such a placement therefore gives long life. Impact of planet thus depends on > its karkatwas and also lordship. > > Best Wishes, > > Ramesh > > > > > > _____ > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Asha Kamath > Friday, December 16, 2005 2:39 AM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > Rameshji, I was always told that due to the Saturn in my 8th house I will > have a long life. But what u are saying is that the life will be short! not > that it matters > > br > > asha > > "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Jyoti, > Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna but > not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good for > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered > this subject well in his latest book. > Best Wishes, > Ramesh > > > > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > Dear sir, > > > > Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do you > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming no > other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, > where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed), > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you make > that clear, if you dont mind please? > > In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a > dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I have > understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjc > site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava (depriving > the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which is > correct. > > Regards, > jyothi > > > vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind> wrote: > > > > Namaste Madam, > > > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge. > > > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked > the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix" > reading. Good as well as bad, > > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per > our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of my > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12th > house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. > > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is > positioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's. > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my > knowledge. > > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat > house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltation > shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala > is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed. > > > > Regards, > > Troubled Soul. > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote: > > Respected Sirs, > > > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhava > is > > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in > any > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for > > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct? > > > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite. > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is > positioned > > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > > Scholars please clarify. > > > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Asha, Jyothi, Namaste LL in a friendly sign will not damage indications of that house besides the positive indications being in its own sign or exaltation sign. If Saturn is in the 8th, see if it aspects LL especially the Sun which is the natural health indicator if it does not, Saturn will protect its karakatwa of the 8th. Love, Swee "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: 10.0pt">Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Jyoti, Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna but not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good for longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered this subject well in his latest book. Best Wishes, Ramesh -- Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release 12/15/2005 -- Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release 12/15/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Dear Larsen Ji, Ramesh Ji, I have been watching this and the one regarding the lagna lord in different houses thread with interest. I am sorry to interrupt but if it does not disturb the flow and if possible could you please enlighten me regarding 1) The placement of Lagna lord Moon debilated in the 5th(Scorpio) what effect will this debilation although good by placement have on progeny.Presently going through Moon dasa. 2)Also debilated and ®Saturn in third house while Rahu in 8th house I read that Saturn in the third house is good for longevity but how does Rahu in the 8th effect my longevity. Date Of Birth 28/3/1951 Time Of Birth 12:30:0 Time Zone -5.5 City CHANDANNAGAR State West Bengal Country INDIA Latitude 022.54.N Longitude 088.18.E Warm regards, vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ramesh, Namaskar > > One can be sickly, yet still have long life. It is like the scene that we > now see with patients who are HIV possitive, and lead a normal life due to > their medication. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Ramesh F. Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani] > 17 December 2005 02:09 > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Asha, > > Saturn is karaka for longevity (8H) and hence will not harm the karatwa. > Such a placement therefore gives long life. Impact of planet thus depends on > its karkatwas and also lordship. > > Best Wishes, > > Ramesh > > > > > > _____ > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Asha Kamath > Friday, December 16, 2005 2:39 AM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > Rameshji, I was always told that due to the Saturn in my 8th house I will > have a long life. But what u are saying is that the life will be short! not > that it matters > > br > > asha > > "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Jyoti, > Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna but > not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good for > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered > this subject well in his latest book. > Best Wishes, > Ramesh > > > > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > Dear sir, > > > > Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do you > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming no > other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, > where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed), > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you make > that clear, if you dont mind please? > > In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a > dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I have > understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjc > site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava (depriving > the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which is > correct. > > Regards, > jyothi > > > vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind> wrote: > > > > Namaste Madam, > > > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge. > > > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked > the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix" > reading. Good as well as bad, > > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per > our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of my > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12th > house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. > > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is > positioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's. > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my > knowledge. > > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat > house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltation > shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala > is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed. > > > > Regards, > > Troubled Soul. > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote: > > Respected Sirs, > > > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhava > is > > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in > any > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for > > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct? > > > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite. > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is > positioned > > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > > Scholars please clarify. > > > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Dear Mr Ram, Thanks for responding. I read with great pleasure and satisfaction the discussions that continuously go on this site as these not only help the individual questioners, but also increase the knowledge of the students of jyotish and overall promotion of this traditional science of Hindus. I intervene only when the traditional and basic fundamentals of jyotish are tried to be superseded by unsubstantiated and radical theories. It looks to me like sacrilege of our epics. Nobody in my opinion can contest this knowledge which has come directly from Brahma. What one can do is only interpret and elaborate it in diverse ways and link up with complementary information, of course without altering the basics. I am reminded of Guru Ramdev who has brought in a silent revolution in India through his elaboration of Yoga techniques. Thousands of people have gained practically and overcome several diseases. But the Guru always says that he is not saying anything of his own but only what Maharshi Patanjali has already said. The world class institution that he is building up at Hardwar is also named after Patanjali. We have to attempt such a revolution in Jyotish so that it is of direct use to mankind through prediction of disasters like earthquake, tsunamis etc. of help to sick and ailing people, of help to business, weather forecasts etc. All this can be done only when we try to understand fully the knowledge given to us by our sages and not try to contradict it by our neo research techinques just to earn a false name. Regards, Pran Razdan vedic astrology, mohan ram <mohanraaam> wrote: > > Dear Shri.pnrazdan, > > Our Guruji is a traditionalist to the core. He never > mixes classical theories with his own. If he says > something based on his experience, he always says so > explictly. He never takes liberties, nor does allow > any of his disciples to take liberties with rishi > pramanas. > > Guruji is having a manuscript of translation of BPHS > by Shri.N.N.Krishna Rau, and Shri. V.B.Choudhari which > came to him from the astrological works collection of > an astrologer who is of revered memory. I do not know > if he quoted the relevant portions from that text, > because usually he goes by the original classics in > sanskrit as he feels that sometimes translators > sometimes tend to miss out important details or > qualifying factors while doing their tedious task of > translating voluminous works. > > I do not know if I have done the right thing in > answering on behalf of my Guruji, but as your repeated > mails seem to evoke no response, I assume that He is > preoccupied with some important work. That is why I > thought of saying something which I know. > > regards, > --- pnrazdan pnrazdan wrote: > > > > Dear Sh Murthi, > Thanks for reproducing the entire chapter from BPHS. > The quote for the > 5th bhava in my post was from the chapter on > Panchambhavphal, 16th or > 17th chapter in BPHS which is unequivocal on the good > effect of > Lagnesh in the fifth house. But if it looks like > contradiction, it > need not be because a rishi like Parashar would not > leave any > contradiction. This is explained by the last shaloka > which you have > quoted that the effect is subject to several > conditions like strength, > age, aspects etc of the graha. > But to me it looks like Parasar has become irrelevant > because of > several radical and innovative theories doing rounds > on this site. > There are so many gurus who claim of knowing and > propounding theories > for the benefit of "learners". One doesn't know > whether these theories > are based on so called classical texts (which > invariably are kept > secret) or their own experience which must then indeed > be very > comprehensive so as to nullify our old munis' > knowledge. > Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 positive indications being in its own sign or exaltation sign. If Saturn is in the 8th, see if it aspects LL especially the Sun which is the natural health indicator if it does not, Saturn will protect its karakatwa of the 8th. Love, Swee Style'"> "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Jyoti,Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are theagenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna butnot so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good forlongevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has coveredthis subject well in his latest book.Best Wishes,Ramesh #909090"> --Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: 12/15/2005 --Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: 12/15/2005 Asha Kamath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Amit, Namaskar The sign placement also matters. Jupiter in the fifth is not good in Cancer or Aquarius, because these are the 12th and 7th from the natural fifth house – leo. That is why Jupiter in fifth in cancer or leo can make it very difficult to have children. This way you can judge whether a sign placement is benefitting the karakatva of the house. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">amitavikrama [amitavikrama ] 18 December 2005 21:27 vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects 12.0pt"> om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Visti, Ramesh and other learned people, I have a basic doubt. If saturn as LL in 8H cannot be inimical to the longevity of a person, because it is the karaka for the same, then Jupiter as LL shouldn't be inimical to children either when placed in 5H. Should it be? ....and what about other karakatwas? Ve as LL in the 7H, is it not good for spouse? what about Ketu as LL in the 12H, is it still inimical to 12H? Your response is much appreciated. Best wishes Amit vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visti, > Sure, it only gives longevity, health will be seen from Lagna and lagna > lord. I take it, Saturn in 8H by itself does not make the native sickly. > Best Wishes, > Ramesh > > > _____ > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen > Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:40 AM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ramesh, Namaskar > > One can be sickly, yet still have long life. It is like the scene that we > now see with patients who are HIV possitive, and lead a normal life due to > their medication. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Ramesh F. Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani] > 17 December 2005 02:09 > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Asha, > > Saturn is karaka for longevity (8H) and hence will not harm the karatwa. > Such a placement therefore gives long life. Impact of planet thus depends on > its karkatwas and also lordship. > > Best Wishes, > > Ramesh > > > > > > _____ > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Asha Kamath > Friday, December 16, 2005 2:39 AM > vedic astrology > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > Rameshji, I was always told that due to the Saturn in my 8th house I will > have a long life. But what u are saying is that the life will be short! not > that it matters > > br > > asha > > "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Jyoti, > Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna but > not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good for > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered > this subject well in his latest book. > Best Wishes, > Ramesh > > > > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects > > Dear sir, > > > > Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do you > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming no > other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, > where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed), > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you make > that clear, if you dont mind please? > > In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a > dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I have > understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjc > site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava (depriving > the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which is > correct. > > Regards, > jyothi > > > vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind> wrote: > > > > Namaste Madam, > > > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge. > > > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked > the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix" > reading. Good as well as bad, > > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per > our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of my > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12th > house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. > > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is > positioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's. > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my > knowledge. > > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat > house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltation > shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala > is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed. > > > > Regards, > > Troubled Soul. > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote: > > Respected Sirs, > > > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhava > is > > good or bad. 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