Master J, Narasimhji: Why Kundalini Awakening impossible in women?Sre-eram

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Hello Sir,

 

 

Good point. You said it. I was thinking what is wrong in

sharing ones knowledge. Making mistakes is common, but without making

mistakes who is going to learn anything? Also, just because one

reads the information given by a member, nobody is going to take it

to ones brain and going to practise it. I believe all the members in

this group are well read and intelligent enough to decide what to do

and what not to do. Everybody has right to express their opinion

whether it is right or wrong. What is correct will gradually turn out

from the discussions. And that is what groups like these are meant

for. Atleast I believe so. If everybody knows everything why should

one open one's mouth in the first place?

 

Asking the members not to venture into advanced topics is simply an

extremely narrow minded point of view. There is nothing like these

topics should be discussed and these topics shouldnt be unless it

goes too much out of scope of astrology (as this is an astro group).

But one should remember that unless the topic had an astrological

connection, the thread wouldnt have started in the first place. So it

is not fair to abruptly stop it unless it goes unending and produce

just heat instead of a positive knowledge sharing. Through one

member's opinion which stood out from the others, a lot of useful

information was shared, I think.

 

For the benefit of readers, I have copy pasted the following text

from Satyananda Saraswati's "Awakening of Kundalini". THIS TEXT SHOWS

WHETHER KA IS A TOPIC TO BE DISCUSSED OR NOT. I hope Shri. Sreeramji

does not doubt the 'level of knowledge' of Sri Satyananda Saraswati

as BASIC.

 

Here is the text:

 

"There are so many whispers about the dangers of awakening and dark

hints about people going crazy or developing disturbing powers. But

everything in life is risky and there are far more dangers in

ordinary daily life than you will encounter on the path of kundalini.

Every time you walk across the street or travel by car or plane, you

take a risk. In the pursuit of desires, passions and ambitions,

people take great risks every day without thinking twice about it.

 

Yet they allow the relatively minor risks of kundalini to deter them

from pursuing the supreme goal of higher consciousness. When a woman

discovers she is pregnant, does she think it might be dangerous for

her to have a child? She might die! She may have to have a cesarian!

She may lose her figure for life! She may be come seriously ill! Does

a woman think like this and decide she doesn't want a child at all?

No. Then why to think like this about kundalini?

 

Awakening of kundalini is the birth of Christ, Krishna, Buddha or

Mohammed. It is one of the greatest events of human life, just as for

a mother, to have a baby is one of the major and happiest events of

her life, no matter what the consequences. In the same way, awakening

of kundalini is one of the greatest events in the life of a yogi. It

is the destiny of mankind, so why not go ahead with it?

 

Without involving yourself in a risk, nothing great in life can be

achieved. Every great yogi, scientist, explorer and adventurer has

faced risks. So he has invented, discovered or made progress. Those

people who are thinking and talking about risks are cowards, and such

people should not even practise yoga. It is better that they eat,

drink, be merry and die unenlightened.

 

Kundalini practices are certainly no more dangerous than many of the

activities people engage in for the sake of thrills, sport or altered

states of consciousness.

 

The risks are not nearly as great as those associated with LSD,

hashish, marijuana and alcohol, which are commonly used by many

people in their everyday life. Those who practise kundalini yoga are

assured of attaining states of expanded consciousness which are

safer, smoother, more comprehensible and longer lasting than anything

that can be obtained through the use of psychedelics.

 

The science of Kundalini yoga has its own inbuilt safety mechanisms.

If you perform asanas or pranayama incorrectly, nature will

immediately send a warning and compel you to stop practising. In the

same way, when kundalini awakening takes place and you are not

prepared to face it, nature puts obstacles in your way. If ever you

become scared and want to stop the process of kundalini awakening,

all you have to do is revert to a gross lifestyle. Just revise all

your passions, dreams and worldly ambitions.

 

Unless you are an extremely introverted person, you can proceed along

the path of kundalini yoga without fear."

 

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

vedic astrology, MasterJ <rivolena> wrote:

>

> Sre-eram,

>

> Your mail was condescending and disrespectfull towards the

members here and you obviously have a high opinion of yourself and

low regard for others judging from your statements. Ironically, this

is exactly the opposite of what results when one's ego is raised to

higher levels. Dualistic differentiations such me and you disappear.

Your mail has only emphasised the distinctions.

>

>

> Whether or not kundalini is awakened is a moot point. That is not

the proof to the pudding to the sadhaka. And like how Narasimha puts

it, it is a natural process whereby the ego consciousness moves to

higher levels. I think this is what most of the readers here have

expressed. Of cos, trantics have likened it to Shakti and the release

of prana via a symbolic coiled serpant.This is not unique to

hinduism, but is a well known concept in Jewish Kabbalah, ( tree of

life) as well as in taoism.

>

> While there are specific ways to raise the kundalini, it is

oftened mentioned that is a risky process unless specifically guided

by a realised guru. Additionally, the raising of the kundalini often

gives one spiritual powers / eight fold siddhi's which Patanjali has

mentioned in his famous classic.

>

> The point here is this spirituality is the birth right of Man and

it is immaterial where one practices one path or the other, only

consistency and preseverence matters. All else are vanity.

>

> Sre_eram <sreeram64@s...> wrote:

> Subject : Kundalini Awakening

> Rating : High

> OTHER Members knowledgebase : Basic

>

> First, let me thank Mr.Dakshinamoorthi for nicely worded with wise

> wisdom i.e. Message No. 67830.

>

> Secondly, On a personal note I would request members with basic or

> half knowledge not to venture into this advanced topics.

>

> Third, the entire vedanta is about soul. The soul does not have

> attributes of male or female.

>

> Fourth, The first stage of any self/god realization is kundalini

> awakening - this is irrespective of which path one follows - i.e.

> Hatha, Jnana, Bhakti, Karma & Raja Yoga. If someone is limiting

> kundalini to a particular path, only exposes his ignorance....etc..

>

> extract of Mr. Prabodh Vekhande message No. 67887

> Quote

> Every marga will give you ultimate knowledge but every marga will

> not be through Kundalini

> Kundalini yoga is subclass of Raja yoga. Now to say that those who

> follow Gyana or Bhakti marga will also expirence KA is very bold

> statement.

> Unquote

>

> If one does not understand the linkages between this defined FIVE

> paths of god realization, one would also end up in proclaiming

> superiority of one path over the other akin to the caste system

> prevalent in India even today.

>

> As for the subject matter, members kindly wait for my detail post

> on this possibly this weekend, which would put an end - to current

> debate ( particularly for members who are disturbed by the

> amateurish write up of a member(s) with half knowledge).

>

> I would apologise of having used few strong words here. I would

> also request members to rate themselves in the subject area on the

> top of the message - so that one can read it and make a conscious

> decision to ignore or delete or read it through the message.

>

> I would request the moderator to play an active role in filtering

> the content & topics being posted into this forum.

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All Namaste

> >

> > There were angry and some very angry reactions on this thread. It

> > seems that my understanding of Kundalini activation is different

> > than most of the people in this thread. My knowledge is stright

> from

> > the persons who have experienced KA and have told me many hidden

> > things in most logical manner.(Many have doubt about this but

they

> > are not at fault. I am very poor at expressing what I know!)

> >

> > There seems to be some confusion about the keywords such as

> > Moksha,Bhaktimarga and Kundalini. Basic aim of Sadhana is to

> obtain

> > gyana in Adhyatma. You can obtain knowledge by many means like by

> > Gyana,Raj,or Bhakti yoga. Kundalini yoga is subclass of Raja

yoga.

> > Now to say that those who follow Gyana or Bhakti marga will also

> > expirence KA is very bold statement. Every marga will give you

> > ultimate knowledge but every marga will not be through Kundalini.

> > The person who has fully activated Kundalini and person who has

> > reached ultimate level in Bhakti marga will have same knowledge

to

> > share. Both will be realized souls and will have same knowledge.

> But

> > there means will be different. Bhakti marga is more popular as it

> > is considered to be simple and safe. Most of the Santa are from

> > Bhakti marga. So many feel that Bhakti marga Santa must have

> obtain

> > knowledge through Kundalini activation.

> >

> > Since Kundalini activation experience is very difficult to

> express,

> > Rishis have written Puranas and MahaKavyas(Ramayan & Mahabharat)

> to

> > explain those hidden secrets with the help of stories and

> > allegories. Once such story is of Kacha-Devayani-Shukracharya. It

> > ends with the statement that Mantra should not be given to woman.

(

> > Read Gurucharitra). Shukrachary was forced to teach Sanjeevini

> > (Kundalini is temporary death and Sanjeevini is life after such

> > death) to his daughter. Shukracharya knew that this vidya should

> not

> > be given to woman but succumbed to the pressures put by his

> > daughter. Shukracharya dies in the process and Devayani learns.

> > Kacha as well learns as he was in the stomach of Shukracharya.

> Kacha

> > comes out in Bramha where as Devayani makes a strong request for

> > marriage which Kacha turns down. Devayani hence curses Kacha that

> he

> > will not be able to use this vidya(like BhargavaRama cursed Karna

> > in Mahabharata). In turn Kacha says that Devayani will not marry

> > Brahman(Brahma Janati eti Brahmana)i.e will not be able to

control

> > Brahma. Finally Brihaspati curses to all Brahman that if anybody

> > teaches Mantra(Kundalini Vidya) to woman he will go Rairaiva

> Naraka.

> >

> > Those who believe in this story in this way strictly follow it.

> > Others, who follow literally, suggest Vratas instead of Mantras

to

> > women.

> >

> > I was taught to read Ramayana and Mahabharata is this way. Just

> try

> > to understand why Rama asked Laxyamana to cut Stana-Nak-Kana of

> > Shoorpankha? or even, why Shiva and Brahma are enemies of each

> > other? In YogaVashista, why Indra and Ahilya story comes again

and

> > again.(I dont exactly remember in which adhya as I read

> YogaVashista

> > seven to eight years back.)

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankara

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

>

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