Bharatji: Why Kundalini Awakening impossible in women?

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Respected Sir,

 

Confused. Are you speaking in very advanced terms? I doubt

so. I am speaking at the level of a normal person where at first the

duality exists. The merging and the disappearance of duality all

occurs in later stages. Right? or you mean to say right from the

beginning one can jump to such adwaita feeling? I am just confused

with what you say.

 

"Yogasanas, sadhanas, and worship are to purify the mind to make it

question "Who am I?

 

Is the yoga/sadhana/worship leading to question 'Who am I" or

is it vice versa? I had thought it is vice versa. That the thoughts

of Why/who am I etc marks the beginning of one's spiritual journey

leading to the truth and on the way one practises those

asanas/sadhanas as catalysts to reach the truth.

 

(I am saying this with my experience. The thoughts like why I am

here, who am I etc used to haunt my mind from school days, which has

inspired me to know more and more of the truth. And if I know

anything about Kundalini and all now, it is because of that quest,

and if I progress in my spiritual path, I believe that also is

because of the same quest to know the truth.)

 

Again "Every effect is within the limits of time space and causation,

therefore to Realize it is not an effect. Neither it can be an

experience as there is no object. Subject and Object differentiation

is not there."

 

Here also I think, you speak at the level of an advanced yogi.

Subject Object difefrentiation vanishes only when the person merges

in the ultimate reality. Am I right? Until then, isnt there the

separation? When one speaks as a third person, one is able to do so

only as a separate entity or viewer.

 

"Therefore, a quest of " Who Am I?" is not kundalini or sadhanas."

 

I only said this quest will lead to spiritual progress, and KA

may happen consequently. I fear you have thoroughly misunderstood

what I wrote.

 

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Jyoti

>

> f I am correct, if one has an

> intense wish to know the truth or to merge with one's devta,

> One's devta presents the picture of a Devata outside of you. That

thought

> itself stops from knowing.

>

> "Who am I?" is the most important quest. No quest is bigger than

it. I gave

> subject-object example such that one can correctly associate in

simple

> terms:

>

> In analysing oneself:

> My Physical body is a subject or object?

> My mind is a subject or object?

> Are my senses subject or object?

>

> Who is the subject of all of the above?

>

> Yogasanas, sadhanas, and worship are to purify the mind to make it

question

> "Who am I?" . This is explained beautifully in Taitterya Upanishad.

>

> For any

> effect there is a cause.

>

> You are very right. But Realization isn't an effect. Every effect

is within

> the limits of time space and causation, therefore to Realize it is

not an

> effect. Neither it can be an experience as there is no object.

Subject and

> Object differentiation is not there.

>

> Therefore, a quest of " Who Am I?" is not kundalini or sadhanas.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 12/12/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > Thanks for your input. What I meant was a strong quest to

> > find out the reason for ones existence can lead to the churning of

> > thoughts in the proper direction. If I am correct, if one has an

> > intense wish to know the truth or to merge with one's devta, SHE

> > will herself guide the devotee to reach HER abode. One doesnt

have

> > to do anything. This is what I believe and this is my experience.

> > Scholars can correct me, if I am wrong.

> >

> > The questions are ofcourse related to the subject. But arent they

> > related to object indirectly? All the yogasanas are also related

to

> > subject only. But the experiences as a result of it is finally

> > affecting the subject in the form of experience. Am I right? For

any

> > effect there is a cause.

> >

> > I just presented it in a humourous way. Hope it was not

> > misunderstood.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

> > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

> > >

> > > Kundalini is an identification beyond the lower self. In doing

so,

> > varied

> > > emotions, thoughts are experienced. Yet, it is only an

experience.

> > An

> > > experience is the interaction between experiencer and the

> > experienced. The

> > > experienced is the object. Experiencer is the subject. "Who am

I?"

> > is a

> > > question related to the subject, and not to the object or to the

> > experience.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 12/12/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > "who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may

sound

> > like

> > > > a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday

and,

> > > > believe me, it will slowly start making a difference."

> > > >

> > > > I feel, you are 100% correct. These questions +

a "Why am

> > I

> > > > here?" would make it perfect. I believe, nomatter whether one

is

> > man

> > > > or woman, Kundalini Devi gets SO irritated when one nags

oneself

> > by

> > > > these questions that she has no other choice but to GET UP and

> > SHOW

> > > > THE TRUTH!! The more frequently (and genuinely) one pesters

the

> > more

> > > > quickly She awakes. (She will think "What nuisance, I will

show

> > you

> > > > the truth once and for all, but be prepared for the

consequences!!

> > > > So simple but still not SO simple..:-)).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I had

a

> > very

> > > > busy week at work and I am still working.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or

feminism.

> > > > Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in

fact, a

> > > > rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble, especially

after

> > the

> > > > first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot

have

> > > > Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an insult. So

> > that is

> > > > not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that what

> > Prabodh

> > > > said is simply incorrect. I can accept such

> > > > >

> > > > > Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego

consciousness,

> > > > which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as

opposed

> > > > being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is).

> > Kundalini is

> > > > normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo

Linga.

> > > > One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that

> > > > encompasses one's body, name etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But,

as

> > > > Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher

planes

> > of

> > > > consciousness, one's sex is immaterial.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male

or

> > > > female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very

low

> > > > levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower

chakras). As

> > > > self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness,

one's

> > ego

> > > > consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important

is

> > one's

> > > > sex?

> > > > >

> > > > > In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis.

However,

> > > > one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make

> > Kundalini

> > > > rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga

etc -

> > > > there are so many paths.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you want to see the characteristics of one's

consciousness,

> > when

> > > > it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness

(corresponding

> > to

> > > > 14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog

> > between

> > > > Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a

> > > > fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita

> > > > philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book

that

> > > > influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway,

whether

> > > > you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or

Karma

> > > > yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your

self-

> > > > consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which

can

> > > > happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is

> > different in

> > > > different paths.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of

consciousness

> > > > according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got

> > > > moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness

reaching the

> > > > highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is

> > simply

> > > > supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching

> > Sahasrara.

> > > > If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a

woman?

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW, one more philosophical rambling:

> > > > >

> > > > > As we are born as human beings and blessed with some

intellect,

> > we

> > > > should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying

ourselves

> > > > down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us

further

> > > > and further away from who we truly are. One's concept

of "self"

> > (ego)

> > > > is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and

> > > > conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not,

it

> > is

> > > > worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I?

What

> > > > exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question,

but

> > do

> > > > ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will

> > slowly

> > > > start making a difference.

> > > > >

> > > > > OK, good night now!

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jyothi and others,

> > > > > > In reply to the question "Why awakening is

impossible in

> > > > women?", Prabodh wrote the following:

> > > > > > "When I said that women will not have kundalini

activation I

> > > > did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the

people

> > > > whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that

women

> > are

> > > > not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can

guess."

> > > > > > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible

to buy

> > > > his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think"

> > or "I

> > > > assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in

female

> > body

> > > > is possible but no Kundalini activation"

> > > > > > It appeared that he had total confidence even though he

> > knows

> > > > nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is

that

> > > > before making such a radical remark, think millions of times.

What

> > > > does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat

> > Babajaan,

> > > > Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women?

Normally I

> > am a

> > > > calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with

> > this.

> > > > His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all

> > women

> > > > is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is

too

> > > > short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the

best

> > out

> > > > of this life time. You are not limited to anything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Devika.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle

> > women.

> > > > But

> > > > > > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion

> > (which I

> > > > > > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read

the

> > > > > > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in

the

> > net.

> > > > If

> > > > > > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some

> > body

> > > > had

> > > > > > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it

with

> > > > more

> > > > > > curiosity).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you

might

> > have

> > > > some

> > > > > > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance'

and

> > > > > > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel

women

> > are

> > > > more

> > > > > > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less

> > dangerously

> > > > than

> > > > > > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong

mental

> > > > > > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to

> > awaken

> > > > > > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with

> > female

> > > > > > disciple does that mean women are not capable or

permitted for

> > > > KA?

> > > > > > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their

mental

> > > > > > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please

> > share.

> > > > If

> > > > > > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to

> > various

> > > > > > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in

ones

> > > > Goddess

> > > > > > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the

truth

> > > > will, I

> > > > > > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it

can be

> > a

> > > > > > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation

it

> > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > interesting to read the expirences."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with

each

> > > > person is

> > > > > > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like,

all

> > men

> > > > will

> > > > > > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?

> > > > > > If the net resources can be believed there are lot of

> > articles

> > > > by

> > > > > > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read

about

> > it

> > > > but

> > > > > > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I

will

> > let

> > > > you

> > > > > > know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for your clarification.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > REgards,

> > > > > > Jyothi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I said that women will not have kundalini

activation I

> > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the

people

> > whom

> > > > I

> > > > > > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that

women are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can

> > guess. If

> > > > > > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it

would be

> > > > > > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I

have

> > not

> > > > > > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody

> > knows

> > > > such

> > > > > > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much

> > thankful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is

> > impossible

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh

Vekhande"

> > > > > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible

but no

> > > > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > activation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > > har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Vishnu

Jandhyala

> > > > > > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Vishnu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

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> > > > > > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > respected gurus and members,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is discussed

with

> > > > respect

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me

whether

> > the

> > > > > > > > kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it is

only

> > > > present

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > males?

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[Guest guest]

Respected Sir,

Confused. Are you speaking in very advanced terms? I doubt

so. I am speaking at the level of a normal person where at first the

duality exists. The merging and the disappearance of duality all

occurs in later stages. Right? or you mean to say right from the

beginning one can jump to such adwaita feeling? I am just confused

with what you say. I am glad my words confused you. Every conclusion that our

little mind draws about the whole is limited. For example, in your words Are

you speaking in very advanced terms?

Advance and backward are relative terms and cannot be used to gauged

spirituality. Either a person is knower or is not. Either the person is a waker

or is in the dream. As long one is dreaming, any amount of advancement will not

cause Enlightenment. It is when one wakes up out of the dream that one

understands the Non-reality of the dream. Therefore, there is no advanced terms

that I am speaking in. Advance, backward are egoistic terms, it is best to

remove them from the thinking. See herein our little minds draw such terms to

feel good about oneself if one is "advanced spiritual"! The merging and the

disappearance of duality all

occurs in later stages. Right?The definition of Reality is "That must always be

Real". In other words, it does not relate to time. It is beyond time, space and

causation. Duality is, because you and I choose to see it. Nonduality is here an

now but we choose not to see it. There is no stage of spiritual development. It

is like saying I am 100% dreaming, now I am 50% dreaming and now only 25%

dreaming. Which is absurd. There are people who ask this question "Who am I?"

and there are people who do not ask this question. There is a major difference

between the two. I write these words only for those who sincerely ask this

question. People, who are comfortable within their illusions, should not be

disturbed. I am saying this with my experience. The thoughts like why I am

here, who am I etc used to haunt my mind from school days, which has

inspired me to know more and more of the truth. And if I know

anything about Kundalini and all now, it is because of that quest,

and if I progress in my spiritual path, I believe that also is

because of the same quest to know the truth.)

Eventually your quest of Kundalini and Yogasanas will strengthen your quest for

"Who am I?" as they will not answer this question and sooner or later you shall

realize that the answers are elsewhere. Their limited benefits will only make

you strive faster towards the quest. ou speak at the level of an advanced yogi.

 

Subject Object difefrentiation vanishes only when the person merges

in the ultimate reality. Am I right? Merging implies an effect, which isn't so

now but will happen later. See, we are again talking in terms of time. That it

is merged right now but we do not realize it, has to be seen.

In effect, I am only pointing to slight changes in approach to the subject. More

than this I cannot say on this forum as it relates to Astrology. I have said

enough. It is better you find a teacher and study under him/her.

Thanks and RegardsBharat

"Yogasanas, sadhanas, and worship are to purify the mind to make it

question "Who am I?

Is the yoga/sadhana/worship leading to question 'Who am I" or

is it vice versa? I had thought it is vice versa. That the thoughts

of Why/who am I etc marks the beginning of one's spiritual journey

leading to the truth and on the way one practises those

asanas/sadhanas as catalysts to reach the truth.

(I am saying this with my experience. The thoughts like why I am

here, who am I etc used to haunt my mind from school days, which has

inspired me to know more and more of the truth. And if I know

anything about Kundalini and all now, it is because of that quest,

and if I progress in my spiritual path, I believe that also is

because of the same quest to know the truth.)

Again "Every effect is within the limits of time space and causation,

therefore to Realize it is not an effect. Neither it can be an

experience as there is no object. Subject and Object differentiation

is not there."

Here also I think, you speak at the level of an advanced yogi.

Subject Object difefrentiation vanishes only when the person merges

in the ultimate reality. Am I right? Until then, isnt there the

separation? When one speaks as a third person, one is able to do so

only as a separate entity or viewer.

"Therefore, a quest of " Who Am I?" is not kundalini or sadhanas."

I only said this quest will lead to spiritual progress, and KA

may happen consequently. I fear you have thoroughly misunderstood

what I wrote.

Regards,

Jyothi

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Jyoti

>

> f I am correct, if one has an

> intense wish to know the truth or to merge with one's devta,

> One's devta presents the picture of a Devata outside of you. That

thought

> itself stops from knowing.

>

> "Who am I?" is the most important quest. No quest is bigger than

it. I gave

> subject-object example such that one can correctly associate in

simple

> terms:

>

> In analysing oneself:

> My Physical body is a subject or object?

> My mind is a subject or object?

> Are my senses subject or object?

>

> Who is the subject of all of the above?

>

> Yogasanas, sadhanas, and worship are to purify the mind to make it

question

> "Who am I?" . This is explained beautifully in Taitterya Upanishad.

>

> For any

> effect there is a cause.

>

> You are very right. But Realization isn't an effect. Every effect

is within

> the limits of time space and causation, therefore to Realize it is

not an

> effect. Neither it can be an experience as there is no object.

Subject and

> Object differentiation is not there.

>

> Therefore, a quest of " Who Am I?" is not kundalini or sadhanas.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 12/12/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > Thanks for your input. What I meant was a strong quest to

> > find out the reason for ones existence can lead to the churning of

> > thoughts in the proper direction. If I am correct, if one has an

> > intense wish to know the truth or to merge with one's devta, SHE

> > will herself guide the devotee to reach HER abode. One doesnt

have

> > to do anything. This is what I believe and this is my experience.

> > Scholars can correct me, if I am wrong.

> >

> > The questions are ofcourse related to the subject. But arent they

> > related to object indirectly? All the yogasanas are also related

to

> > subject only. But the experiences as a result of it is finally

> > affecting the subject in the form of experience. Am I right? For

any

> > effect there is a cause.

> >

> > I just presented it in a humourous way. Hope it was not

> > misunderstood.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

> > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

> > >

> > > Kundalini is an identification beyond the lower self. In doing

so,

> > varied

> > > emotions, thoughts are experienced. Yet, it is only an

experience.

> > An

> > > experience is the interaction between experiencer and the

> > experienced. The

> > > experienced is the object. Experiencer is the subject. "Who am

I?"

> > is a

> > > question related to the subject, and not to the object or to the

> > experience.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 12/12/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > "who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may

sound

> > like

> > > > a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday

and,

> > > > believe me, it will slowly start making a difference."

> > > >

> > > > I feel, you are 100% correct. These questions +

a "Why am

> > I

> > > > here?" would make it perfect. I believe, nomatter whether one

is

> > man

> > > > or woman, Kundalini Devi gets SO irritated when one nags

oneself

> > by

> > > > these questions that she has no other choice but to GET UP and

> > SHOW

> > > > THE TRUTH!! The more frequently (and genuinely) one pesters

the

> > more

> > > > quickly She awakes. (She will think "What nuisance, I will

show

> > you

> > > > the truth once and for all, but be prepared for the

consequences!!

> > > > So simple but still not SO simple..:-)).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I had

a

> > very

> > > > busy week at work and I am still working.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or

feminism.

> > > > Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in

fact, a

> > > > rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble, especially

after

> > the

> > > > first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot

have

> > > > Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an insult. So

> > that is

> > > > not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that what

> > Prabodh

> > > > said is simply incorrect. I can accept such

> > > > >

> > > > > Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego

consciousness,

> > > > which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as

opposed

> > > > being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is).

> > Kundalini is

> > > > normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo

Linga.

> > > > One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that

> > > > encompasses one's body, name etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But,

as

> > > > Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher

planes

> > of

> > > > consciousness, one's sex is immaterial.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male

or

> > > > female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very

low

> > > > levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower

chakras). As

> > > > self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness,

one's

> > ego

> > > > consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important

is

> > one's

> > > > sex?

> > > > >

> > > > > In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis.

However,

> > > > one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make

> > Kundalini

> > > > rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga

etc -

> > > > there are so many paths.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you want to see the characteristics of one's

consciousness,

> > when

> > > > it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness

(corresponding

> > to

> > > > 14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog

> > between

> > > > Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a

> > > > fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita

> > > > philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book

that

> > > > influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway,

whether

> > > > you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or

Karma

> > > > yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your

self-

> > > > consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which

can

> > > > happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is

> > different in

> > > > different paths.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of

consciousness

> > > > according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got

> > > > moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness

reaching the

> > > > highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is

> > simply

> > > > supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching

> > Sahasrara.

> > > > If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a

woman?

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW, one more philosophical rambling:

> > > > >

> > > > > As we are born as human beings and blessed with some

intellect,

> > we

> > > > should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying

ourselves

> > > > down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us

further

> > > > and further away from who we truly are. One's concept

of "self"

> > (ego)

> > > > is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and

> > > > conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not,

it

> > is

> > > > worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I?

What

> > > > exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question,

but

> > do

> > > > ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will

> > slowly

> > > > start making a difference.

> > > > >

> > > > > OK, good night now!

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jyothi and others,

> > > > > > In reply to the question "Why awakening is

impossible in

> > > > women?", Prabodh wrote the following:

> > > > > > "When I said that women will not have kundalini

activation I

> > > > did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the

people

> > > > whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that

women

> > are

> > > > not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can

guess."

> > > > > > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible

to buy

> > > > his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think"

> > or "I

> > > > assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in

female

> > body

> > > > is possible but no Kundalini activation"

> > > > > > It appeared that he had total confidence even though he

> > knows

> > > > nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is

that

> > > > before making such a radical remark, think millions of times.

What

> > > > does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat

> > Babajaan,

> > > > Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women?

Normally I

> > am a

> > > > calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with

> > this.

> > > > His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all

> > women

> > > > is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is

too

> > > > short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the

best

> > out

> > > > of this life time. You are not limited to anything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Devika.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle

> > women.

> > > > But

> > > > > > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion

> > (which I

> > > > > > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read

the

> > > > > > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in

the

> > net.

> > > > If

> > > > > > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some

> > body

> > > > had

> > > > > > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it

with

> > > > more

> > > > > > curiosity).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you

might

> > have

> > > > some

> > > > > > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance'

and

> > > > > > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel

women

> > are

> > > > more

> > > > > > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less

> > dangerously

> > > > than

> > > > > > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong

mental

> > > > > > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to

> > awaken

> > > > > > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with

> > female

> > > > > > disciple does that mean women are not capable or

permitted for

> > > > KA?

> > > > > > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their

mental

> > > > > > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please

> > share.

> > > > If

> > > > > > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to

> > various

> > > > > > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in

ones

> > > > Goddess

> > > > > > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the

truth

> > > > will, I

> > > > > > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it

can be

> > a

> > > > > > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation

it

> > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > interesting to read the expirences."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with

each

> > > > person is

> > > > > > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like,

all

> > men

> > > > will

> > > > > > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?

> > > > > > If the net resources can be believed there are lot of

> > articles

> > > > by

> > > > > > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read

about

> > it

> > > > but

> > > > > > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I

will

> > let

> > > > you

> > > > > > know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for your clarification.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > REgards,

> > > > > > Jyothi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I said that women will not have kundalini

activation I

> > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the

people

> > whom

> > > > I

> > > > > > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that

women are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can

> > guess. If

> > > > > > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it

would be

> > > > > > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I

have

> > not

> > > > > > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody

> > knows

> > > > such

> > > > > > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much

> > thankful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is

> > impossible

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh

Vekhande"

> > > > > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible

but no

> > > > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > activation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > > har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Vishnu

Jandhyala

> > > > > > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Vishnu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "r_tv_99"

> > > > > > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > respected gurus and members,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is discussed

with

> > > > respect

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me

whether

> > the

> > > > > > > > kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it is

only

> > > > present

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > males?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > tvr

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> > > >

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> > > >

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Respected Sir,

 

I too prefer to keep silence as I dont want to be confused!!

When things are so clear why speaking in abstract terms? It is easier

said than done that 'ALL is ONE' and ONE IS ALL etc. One can also

intellectually understand that it is so. But still inorder to remove

the bondage totally, and be free, one has to seek HER help. Only She

can do that. So I believe. Sorry if I speak wrong. I am able to

comprehend only this much.

 

Anyways, I appreciate and thank you for taking time and sharing your

knowledge.

 

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

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<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

>

> On 12/12/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > Confused. Are you speaking in very advanced terms? I

doubt

> > so. I am speaking at the level of a normal person where at first

the

> > duality exists. The merging and the disappearance of duality all

> > occurs in later stages. Right? or you mean to say right from the

> > beginning one can jump to such adwaita feeling? I am just confused

> > with what you say.

>

> I am glad my words confused you. Every conclusion that our little

mind

> draws about the whole is limited. For example, in your words

> Are you speaking in very advanced terms?

>

> Advance and backward are relative terms and cannot be used to gauged

> spirituality. Either a person is knower or is not. Either the

person is a

> waker or is in the dream. As long one is dreaming, any amount of

advancement

> will not cause Enlightenment. It is when one wakes up out of the

dream that

> one understands the Non-reality of the dream. Therefore, there is no

> advanced terms that I am speaking in. Advance, backward are

egoistic terms,

> it is best to remove them from the thinking.

>

> See herein our little minds draw such terms to feel good about

oneself if

> one is "advanced spiritual"!

>

> The merging and the disappearance of duality all

> occurs in later stages. Right?

> The definition of Reality is "That must always be Real". In other

words, it

> does not relate to time. It is beyond time, space and causation.

Duality is,

> because you and I choose to see it. Nonduality is here an now but

we choose

> not to see it.

>

> There is no stage of spiritual development. It is like saying I am

100%

> dreaming, now I am 50% dreaming and now only 25% dreaming. Which is

absurd.

> There are people who ask this question "Who am I?" and there are

people who

> do not ask this question. There is a major difference between the

two. I

> write these words only for those who sincerely ask this question.

People,

> who are comfortable within their illusions, should not be disturbed.

>

>

> I am saying this with my experience. The thoughts like why I am

> here, who am I etc used to haunt my mind from school days, which has

> inspired me to know more and more of the truth. And if I know

> anything about Kundalini and all now, it is because of that quest,

> and if I progress in my spiritual path, I believe that also is

> because of the same quest to know the truth.)

> Eventually your quest of Kundalini and Yogasanas will strengthen

your quest

> for "Who am I?" as they will not answer this question and sooner or

later

> you shall realize that the answers are elsewhere. Their limited

benefits

> will only make you strive faster towards the quest.

>

> ou speak at the level of an advanced yogi.

> Subject Object difefrentiation vanishes only when the person merges

> in the ultimate reality. Am I right?

>

> Merging implies an effect, which isn't so now but will happen

later. See, we

> are again talking in terms of time. That it is merged right now but

we do

> not realize it, has to be seen.

>

> In effect, I am only pointing to slight changes in approach to the

subject.

> More than this I cannot say on this forum as it relates to

Astrology. I have

> said enough. It is better you find a teacher and study under

him/her.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

> "Yogasanas, sadhanas, and worship are to purify the mind to make it

> > question "Who am I?

> >

> > Is the yoga/sadhana/worship leading to question 'Who am

I" or

> > is it vice versa? I had thought it is vice versa. That the

thoughts

> > of Why/who am I etc marks the beginning of one's spiritual journey

> > leading to the truth and on the way one practises those

> > asanas/sadhanas as catalysts to reach the truth.

> >

> > (I am saying this with my experience. The thoughts like why I am

> > here, who am I etc used to haunt my mind from school days, which

has

> > inspired me to know more and more of the truth. And if I know

> > anything about Kundalini and all now, it is because of that quest,

> > and if I progress in my spiritual path, I believe that also is

> > because of the same quest to know the truth.)

> >

> > Again "Every effect is within the limits of time space and

causation,

> > therefore to Realize it is not an effect. Neither it can be an

> > experience as there is no object. Subject and Object

differentiation

> > is not there."

> >

> > Here also I think, you speak at the level of an advanced yogi.

> > Subject Object difefrentiation vanishes only when the person

merges

> > in the ultimate reality. Am I right? Until then, isnt there the

> > separation? When one speaks as a third person, one is able to do

so

> > only as a separate entity or viewer.

> >

> > "Therefore, a quest of " Who Am I?" is not kundalini or sadhanas."

> >

> > I only said this quest will lead to spiritual progress,

and KA

> > may happen consequently. I fear you have thoroughly misunderstood

> > what I wrote.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

> > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Jyoti

> > >

> > > f I am correct, if one has an

> > > intense wish to know the truth or to merge with one's devta,

> > > One's devta presents the picture of a Devata outside of you.

That

> > thought

> > > itself stops from knowing.

> > >

> > > "Who am I?" is the most important quest. No quest is bigger than

> > it. I gave

> > > subject-object example such that one can correctly associate in

> > simple

> > > terms:

> > >

> > > In analysing oneself:

> > > My Physical body is a subject or object?

> > > My mind is a subject or object?

> > > Are my senses subject or object?

> > >

> > > Who is the subject of all of the above?

> > >

> > > Yogasanas, sadhanas, and worship are to purify the mind to make

it

> > question

> > > "Who am I?" . This is explained beautifully in Taitterya

Upanishad.

> > >

> > > For any

> > > effect there is a cause.

> > >

> > > You are very right. But Realization isn't an effect. Every

effect

> > is within

> > > the limits of time space and causation, therefore to Realize it

is

> > not an

> > > effect. Neither it can be an experience as there is no object.

> > Subject and

> > > Object differentiation is not there.

> > >

> > > Therefore, a quest of " Who Am I?" is not kundalini or sadhanas.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 12/12/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your input. What I meant was a strong

quest to

> > > > find out the reason for ones existence can lead to the

churning of

> > > > thoughts in the proper direction. If I am correct, if one has

an

> > > > intense wish to know the truth or to merge with one's devta,

SHE

> > > > will herself guide the devotee to reach HER abode. One doesnt

> > have

> > > > to do anything. This is what I believe and this is my

experience.

> > > > Scholars can correct me, if I am wrong.

> > > >

> > > > The questions are ofcourse related to the subject. But arent

they

> > > > related to object indirectly? All the yogasanas are also

related

> > to

> > > > subject only. But the experiences as a result of it is finally

> > > > affecting the subject in the form of experience. Am I right?

For

> > any

> > > > effect there is a cause.

> > > >

> > > > I just presented it in a humourous way. Hope it was not

> > > > misunderstood.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

> > > > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > > Kundalini is an identification beyond the lower self. In

doing

> > so,

> > > > varied

> > > > > emotions, thoughts are experienced. Yet, it is only an

> > experience.

> > > > An

> > > > > experience is the interaction between experiencer and the

> > > > experienced. The

> > > > > experienced is the object. Experiencer is the subject. "Who

am

> > I?"

> > > > is a

> > > > > question related to the subject, and not to the object or

to the

> > > > experience.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 12/12/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may

> > sound

> > > > like

> > > > > > a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question

everyday

> > and,

> > > > > > believe me, it will slowly start making a difference."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I feel, you are 100% correct. These questions +

> > a "Why am

> > > > I

> > > > > > here?" would make it perfect. I believe, nomatter whether

one

> > is

> > > > man

> > > > > > or woman, Kundalini Devi gets SO irritated when one nags

> > oneself

> > > > by

> > > > > > these questions that she has no other choice but to GET

UP and

> > > > SHOW

> > > > > > THE TRUTH!! The more frequently (and genuinely) one

pesters

> > the

> > > > more

> > > > > > quickly She awakes. (She will think "What nuisance, I will

> > show

> > > > you

> > > > > > the truth once and for all, but be prepared for the

> > consequences!!

> > > > > > So simple but still not SO simple..:-)).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao"

> > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I

had

> > a

> > > > very

> > > > > > busy week at work and I am still working.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or

> > feminism.

> > > > > > Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in

> > fact, a

> > > > > > rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble,

especially

> > after

> > > > the

> > > > > > first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot

> > have

> > > > > > Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an

insult. So

> > > > that is

> > > > > > not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that

what

> > > > Prabodh

> > > > > > said is simply incorrect. I can accept such

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego

> > consciousness,

> > > > > > which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as

> > opposed

> > > > > > being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is).

> > > > Kundalini is

> > > > > > normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo

> > Linga.

> > > > > > One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that

> > > > > > encompasses one's body, name etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At this level, there is a difference based on the sex.

But,

> > as

> > > > > > Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher

> > planes

> > > > of

> > > > > > consciousness, one's sex is immaterial.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is

male

> > or

> > > > > > female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at

very

> > low

> > > > > > levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower

> > chakras). As

> > > > > > self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness,

> > one's

> > > > ego

> > > > > > consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how

important

> > is

> > > > one's

> > > > > > sex?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis.

> > However,

> > > > > > one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga

> > etc -

> > > > > > there are so many paths.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you want to see the characteristics of one's

> > consciousness,

> > > > when

> > > > > > it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness

> > (corresponding

> > > > to

> > > > > > 14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a

dialog

> > > > between

> > > > > > Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a

> > > > > > fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of

Advaita

> > > > > > philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a

book

> > that

> > > > > > influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway,

> > whether

> > > > > > you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga

or

> > Karma

> > > > > > yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your

> > self-

> > > > > > consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness

(which

> > can

> > > > > > happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is

> > > > different in

> > > > > > different paths.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of

> > consciousness

> > > > > > according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a

bird got

> > > > > > moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness

> > reaching the

> > > > > > highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that

one is

> > > > simply

> > > > > > supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching

> > > > Sahasrara.

> > > > > > If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a

> > woman?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BTW, one more philosophical rambling:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As we are born as human beings and blessed with some

> > intellect,

> > > > we

> > > > > > should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying

> > ourselves

> > > > > > down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us

> > further

> > > > > > and further away from who we truly are. One's concept

> > of "self"

> > > > (ego)

> > > > > > is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By

practice and

> > > > > > conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or

not,

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I?

> > What

> > > > > > exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid

question,

> > but

> > > > do

> > > > > > ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it

will

> > > > slowly

> > > > > > start making a difference.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OK, good night now!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi and others,

> > > > > > > > In reply to the question "Why awakening is

> > impossible in

> > > > > > women?", Prabodh wrote the following:

> > > > > > > > "When I said that women will not have kundalini

> > activation I

> > > > > > did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All

the

> > people

> > > > > > whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that

> > women

> > > > are

> > > > > > not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can

> > guess."

> > > > > > > > Does Prabodh think that people are that much

gullible

> > to buy

> > > > > > his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I

think"

> > > > or "I

> > > > > > assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in

> > female

> > > > body

> > > > > > is possible but no Kundalini activation"

> > > > > > > > It appeared that he had total confidence even

though he

> > > > knows

> > > > > > nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here

is

> > that

> > > > > > before making such a radical remark, think millions of

times.

> > What

> > > > > > does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi,

Hazrat

> > > > Babajaan,

> > > > > > Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women?

> > Normally I

> > > > am a

> > > > > > calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve

with

> > > > this.

> > > > > > His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge

to all

> > > > women

> > > > > > is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life

is

> > too

> > > > > > short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the

> > best

> > > > out

> > > > > > of this life time. You are not limited to anything.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Devika.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is understood that you didnt mean to

belittle

> > > > women.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > I was thinking whether it was just your personal

opinion

> > > > (which I

> > > > > > > > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have

read

> > the

> > > > > > > > experiences narrated by several women about their KA

in

> > the

> > > > net.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier

some

> > > > body

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > written about that. (That was how I started reading

of it

> > with

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > curiosity).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you

> > might

> > > > have

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > reliable reason. If it is the problem of

only "allowance'

> > and

> > > > > > > > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel

> > women

> > > > are

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less

> > > > dangerously

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong

> > mental

> > > > > > > > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral

methods to

> > > > awaken

> > > > > > > > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi

with

> > > > female

> > > > > > > > disciple does that mean women are not capable or

> > permitted for

> > > > > > KA?

> > > > > > > > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their

> > mental

> > > > > > > > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know

please

> > > > share.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due

to

> > > > various

> > > > > > > > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in

> > ones

> > > > > > Goddess

> > > > > > > > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know

the

> > truth

> > > > > > will, I

> > > > > > > > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it

> > can be

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini

activation

> > it

> > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > interesting to read the expirences."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with

> > each

> > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender.

Like,

> > all

> > > > men

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I

correct?

> > > > > > > > If the net resources can be believed there are lot

of

> > > > articles

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had

read

> > about

> > > > it

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I

> > will

> > > > let

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > know.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your clarification.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > REgards,

> > > > > > > > Jyothi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh

Vekhande"

> > > > > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When I said that women will not have kundalini

> > activation I

> > > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the

> > people

> > > > whom

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that

> > women are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I

can

> > > > guess. If

> > > > > > > > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it

> > would be

> > > > > > > > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I

> > have

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If

anybody

> > > > knows

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much

> > > > thankful.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is

> > > > impossible

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh

> > Vekhande"

> > > > > > > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible

> > but no

> > > > > > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > activation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > > > > har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Vishnu

> > Jandhyala

> > > > > > > > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > astrology, "r_tv_99"

> > > > > > > > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > respected gurus and members,

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is

discussed

> > with

> > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me

> > whether

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it

is

> > only

> > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > males?

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> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

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> > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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