Narasimhji: Why Kundalini Awakening impossible in women?

[Guest guest]

Respected Sir,

 

"who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like

a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday and,

believe me, it will slowly start making a difference."

 

I feel, you are 100% correct. These questions + a "Why am I

here?" would make it perfect. I believe, nomatter whether one is man

or woman, Kundalini Devi gets SO irritated when one nags oneself by

these questions that she has no other choice but to GET UP and SHOW

THE TRUTH!! The more frequently (and genuinely) one pesters the more

quickly She awakes. (She will think "What nuisance, I will show you

the truth once and for all, but be prepared for the consequences!!

So simple but still not SO simple..:-)).

 

 

Thanks & Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Namaste all,

>

> Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I had a very

busy week at work and I am still working.

>

> This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or feminism.

Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in fact, a

rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble, especially after the

first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot have

Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an insult. So that is

not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that what Prabodh

said is simply incorrect. I can accept such

>

> Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego consciousness,

which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as opposed

being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is). Kundalini is

normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo Linga.

One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that

encompasses one's body, name etc.

>

> At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But, as

Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher planes of

consciousness, one's sex is immaterial.

>

> In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male or

female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very low

levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower chakras). As

self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's ego

consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important is one's

sex?

>

> In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis. However,

one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make Kundalini

rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga etc -

there are so many paths.

>

> If you want to see the characteristics of one's consciousness, when

it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness (corresponding to

14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog between

Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a

fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita

philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book that

influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway, whether

you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or Karma

yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your self-

consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which can

happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is different in

different paths.

>

> In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of consciousness

according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got

moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness reaching the

highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is simply

supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching Sahasrara.

If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a woman?

>

> BTW, one more philosophical rambling:

>

> As we are born as human beings and blessed with some intellect, we

should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying ourselves

down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us further

and further away from who we truly are. One's concept of "self" (ego)

is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and

conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not, it is

worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I? What

exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question, but do

ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will slowly

start making a difference.

>

> OK, good night now!

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> > Dear Jyothi and others,

> > In reply to the question "Why awakening is impossible in

women?", Prabodh wrote the following:

> > "When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I

did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people

whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are

not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess."

> > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible to buy

his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think" or "I

assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in female body

is possible but no Kundalini activation"

> > It appeared that he had total confidence even though he knows

nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is that

before making such a radical remark, think millions of times. What

does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat Babajaan,

Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women? Normally I am a

calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with this.

His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all women

is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is too

short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the best out

of this life time. You are not limited to anything.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Devika.

> >

> >

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle women.

But

> > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion (which I

> > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read the

> > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in the net.

If

> > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some body

had

> > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it with

more

> > curiosity).

> >

> > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you might have

some

> > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance' and

> > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel women are

more

> > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less dangerously

than

> > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong mental

> > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).

> >

> > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to awaken

> > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with female

> > disciple does that mean women are not capable or permitted for

KA?

> > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their mental

> > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please share.

If

> > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to various

> > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in ones

Goddess

> > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the truth

will, I

> > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it can be a

> > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.

> >

> > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would

be

> > interesting to read the expirences."

> >

> > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with each

person is

> > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like, all men

will

> > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?

> > If the net resources can be believed there are lot of articles

by

> > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read about it

but

> > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I will let

you

> > know.

> >

> > Thanks for your clarification.

> >

> > REgards,

> > Jyothi.

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste

> > >

> > > When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did

not

> > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom

I

> > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are

not

> > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess. If

> > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be

> > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I have not

> > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody knows

such

> > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much thankful.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir,

> > > >

> > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is impossible

in

> > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste

> > > > >

> > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > activation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > har Har Shankar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala

> > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > Vishnu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "r_tv_99"

> > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > respected gurus and members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is discussed with

respect

> > to

> > > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me whether the

> > > > kundalini

> > > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it is only

present

> > > in

> > > > > males?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tvr

>

[Guest guest]

> wrote:

Respected Sir,

"who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like

a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday and,

believe me, it will slowly start making a difference."

I feel, you are 100% correct. These questions + a "Why am I

here?" would make it perfect. I believe, nomatter whether one is man

or woman, Kundalini Devi gets SO irritated when one nags oneself by

these questions that she has no other choice but to GET UP and SHOW

THE TRUTH!! The more frequently (and genuinely) one pesters the more

quickly She awakes. (She will think "What nuisance, I will show you

the truth once and for all, but be prepared for the consequences!!

So simple but still not SO simple..:-)).

Thanks & Regards,

Jyothi

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Namaste all,

>

> Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I had a very

busy week at work and I am still working.

>

> This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or feminism.

Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in fact, a

rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble, especially after the

first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot have

Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an insult. So that is

not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that what Prabodh

said is simply incorrect. I can accept such

>

> Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego consciousness,

which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as opposed

being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is). Kundalini is

normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo Linga.

One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that

encompasses one's body, name etc.

>

> At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But, as

Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher planes of

consciousness, one's sex is immaterial.

>

> In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male or

female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very low

levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower chakras). As

self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's ego

consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important is one's

sex?

>

> In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis. However,

one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make Kundalini

rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga etc -

there are so many paths.

>

> If you want to see the characteristics of one's consciousness, when

it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness (corresponding to

14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog between

Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a

fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita

philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book that

influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway, whether

you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or Karma

yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your self-

consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which can

happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is different in

different paths.

>

> In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of consciousness

according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got

moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness reaching the

highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is simply

supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching Sahasrara.

If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a woman?

>

> BTW, one more philosophical rambling:

>

> As we are born as human beings and blessed with some intellect, we

should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying ourselves

down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us further

and further away from who we truly are. One's concept of "self" (ego)

is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and

conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not, it is

worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I? What

exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question, but do

ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will slowly

start making a difference.

>

> OK, good night now!

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> > Dear Jyothi and others,

> > In reply to the question "Why awakening is impossible in

women?", Prabodh wrote the following:

> > "When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I

did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people

whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are

not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess."

> > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible to buy

his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think" or "I

assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in female body

is possible but no Kundalini activation"

> > It appeared that he had total confidence even though he knows

nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is that

before making such a radical remark, think millions of times. What

does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat Babajaan,

Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women? Normally I am a

calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with this.

His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all women

is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is too

short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the best out

of this life time. You are not limited to anything.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Devika.

> >

> >

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle women.

But

> > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion (which I

> > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read the

> > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in the net.

If

> > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some body

had

> > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it with

more

> > curiosity).

> >

> > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you might have

some

> > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance' and

> > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel women are

more

> > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less dangerously

than

> > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong mental

> > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).

> >

> > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to awaken

> > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with female

> > disciple does that mean women are not capable or permitted for

KA?

> > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their mental

> > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please share.

If

> > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to various

> > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in ones

Goddess

> > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the truth

will, I

> > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it can be a

> > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.

> >

> > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would

be

> > interesting to read the expirences."

> >

> > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with each

person is

> > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like, all men

will

> > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?

> > If the net resources can be believed there are lot of articles

by

> > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read about it

but

> > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I will let

you

> > know.

> >

> > Thanks for your clarification.

> >

> > REgards,

> > Jyothi.

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste

> > >

> > > When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did

not

> > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom

I

> > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are

not

> > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess. If

> > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be

> > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I have not

> > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody knows

such

> > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much thankful.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir,

> > > >

> > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is impossible

in

> > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste

> > > > >

> > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > activation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > har Har Shankar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala

> > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > Vishnu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "r_tv_99"

> > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > respected gurus and members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is discussed with

respect

> > to

> > > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me whether the

> > > > kundalini

> > > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it is only

present

> > > in

> > > > > males?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tvr

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected Sir,

 

Thanks for your input. What I meant was a strong quest to

find out the reason for ones existence can lead to the churning of

thoughts in the proper direction. If I am correct, if one has an

intense wish to know the truth or to merge with one's devta, SHE

will herself guide the devotee to reach HER abode. One doesnt have

to do anything. This is what I believe and this is my experience.

Scholars can correct me, if I am wrong.

 

The questions are ofcourse related to the subject. But arent they

related to object indirectly? All the yogasanas are also related to

subject only. But the experiences as a result of it is finally

affecting the subject in the form of experience. Am I right? For any

effect there is a cause.

 

I just presented it in a humourous way. Hope it was not

misunderstood.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

>

> Kundalini is an identification beyond the lower self. In doing so,

varied

> emotions, thoughts are experienced. Yet, it is only an experience.

An

> experience is the interaction between experiencer and the

experienced. The

> experienced is the object. Experiencer is the subject. "Who am I?"

is a

> question related to the subject, and not to the object or to the

experience.

>

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 12/12/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > "who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may sound

like

> > a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday and,

> > believe me, it will slowly start making a difference."

> >

> > I feel, you are 100% correct. These questions + a "Why am

I

> > here?" would make it perfect. I believe, nomatter whether one is

man

> > or woman, Kundalini Devi gets SO irritated when one nags oneself

by

> > these questions that she has no other choice but to GET UP and

SHOW

> > THE TRUTH!! The more frequently (and genuinely) one pesters the

more

> > quickly She awakes. (She will think "What nuisance, I will show

you

> > the truth once and for all, but be prepared for the consequences!!

> > So simple but still not SO simple..:-)).

> >

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste all,

> > >

> > > Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I had a

very

> > busy week at work and I am still working.

> > >

> > > This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or feminism.

> > Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in fact, a

> > rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble, especially after

the

> > first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot have

> > Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an insult. So

that is

> > not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that what

Prabodh

> > said is simply incorrect. I can accept such

> > >

> > > Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego consciousness,

> > which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as opposed

> > being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is).

Kundalini is

> > normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo Linga.

> > One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that

> > encompasses one's body, name etc.

> > >

> > > At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But, as

> > Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher planes

of

> > consciousness, one's sex is immaterial.

> > >

> > > In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male or

> > female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very low

> > levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower chakras). As

> > self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's

ego

> > consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important is

one's

> > sex?

> > >

> > > In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis. However,

> > one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make

Kundalini

> > rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga etc -

> > there are so many paths.

> > >

> > > If you want to see the characteristics of one's consciousness,

when

> > it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness (corresponding

to

> > 14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog

between

> > Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a

> > fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita

> > philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book that

> > influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway, whether

> > you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or Karma

> > yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your self-

> > consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which can

> > happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is

different in

> > different paths.

> > >

> > > In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of consciousness

> > according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got

> > moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness reaching the

> > highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is

simply

> > supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching

Sahasrara.

> > If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a woman?

> > >

> > > BTW, one more philosophical rambling:

> > >

> > > As we are born as human beings and blessed with some intellect,

we

> > should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying ourselves

> > down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us further

> > and further away from who we truly are. One's concept of "self"

(ego)

> > is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and

> > conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not, it

is

> > worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I? What

> > exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question, but

do

> > ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will

slowly

> > start making a difference.

> > >

> > > OK, good night now!

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > > Dear Jyothi and others,

> > > > In reply to the question "Why awakening is impossible in

> > women?", Prabodh wrote the following:

> > > > "When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I

> > did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people

> > whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women

are

> > not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess."

> > > > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible to buy

> > his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think"

or "I

> > assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in female

body

> > is possible but no Kundalini activation"

> > > > It appeared that he had total confidence even though he

knows

> > nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is that

> > before making such a radical remark, think millions of times. What

> > does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat

Babajaan,

> > Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women? Normally I

am a

> > calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with

this.

> > His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all

women

> > is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is too

> > short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the best

out

> > of this life time. You are not limited to anything.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Devika.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle

women.

> > But

> > > > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion

(which I

> > > > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read the

> > > > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in the

net.

> > If

> > > > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some

body

> > had

> > > > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it with

> > more

> > > > curiosity).

> > > >

> > > > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you might

have

> > some

> > > > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance' and

> > > > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel women

are

> > more

> > > > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less

dangerously

> > than

> > > > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong mental

> > > > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).

> > > >

> > > > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to

awaken

> > > > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with

female

> > > > disciple does that mean women are not capable or permitted for

> > KA?

> > > > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their mental

> > > > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please

share.

> > If

> > > > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to

various

> > > > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in ones

> > Goddess

> > > > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the truth

> > will, I

> > > > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it can be

a

> > > > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.

> > > >

> > > > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it

would

> > be

> > > > interesting to read the expirences."

> > > >

> > > > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with each

> > person is

> > > > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like, all

men

> > will

> > > > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?

> > > > If the net resources can be believed there are lot of

articles

> > by

> > > > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read about

it

> > but

> > > > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I will

let

> > you

> > > > know.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your clarification.

> > > >

> > > > REgards,

> > > > Jyothi.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I

did

> > not

> > > > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people

whom

> > I

> > > > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are

> > not

> > > > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can

guess. If

> > > > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be

> > > > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I have

not

> > > > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody

knows

> > such

> > > > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much

thankful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is

impossible

> > in

> > > > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no

> > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > activation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > har Har Shankar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala

> > > > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > > > Vishnu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "r_tv_99"

> > > > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > respected gurus and members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is discussed with

> > respect

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me whether

the

> > > > > > kundalini

> > > > > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it is only

> > present

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > males?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tvr

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

> >

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> >

> >

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intense wish to know the truth or to merge with one's devta,One's devta presents

the picture of a Devata outside of you. That thought itself stops from knowing.

"Who am I?" is the most important quest. No quest is bigger than it. I gave

subject-object example such that one can correctly associate in simple terms:

In analysing oneself:My Physical body is a subject or object?My mind is a

subject or object?Are my senses subject or object?Who is the subject of all of

the above? Yogasanas, sadhanas, and worship are to purify the mind to make it

question "Who am I?" . This is explained beautifully in Taitterya Upanishad.

For any

effect there is a cause. You are very right. But Realization isn't an effect.

Every effect is within the limits of time space and causation, therefore to

Realize it is not an effect. Neither it can be an experience as there is no

object. Subject and Object differentiation is not there. Therefore, a quest of

" Who Am I?" is not kundalini or sadhanas. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 12/12/05,

jyothi_b_lakshmi

<jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Respected Sir,

Thanks for your input. What I meant was a strong quest to

find out the reason for ones existence can lead to the churning of

thoughts in the proper direction. If I am correct, if one has an

intense wish to know the truth or to merge with one's devta, SHE

will herself guide the devotee to reach HER abode. One doesnt have

to do anything. This is what I believe and this is my experience.

Scholars can correct me, if I am wrong.

The questions are ofcourse related to the subject. But arent they

related to object indirectly? All the yogasanas are also related to

subject only. But the experiences as a result of it is finally

affecting the subject in the form of experience. Am I right? For any

effect there is a cause.

I just presented it in a humourous way. Hope it was not

misunderstood.

Regards,

Jyothi

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

>

> Kundalini is an identification beyond the lower self. In doing so,

varied

> emotions, thoughts are experienced. Yet, it is only an experience.

An

> experience is the interaction between experiencer and the

experienced. The

> experienced is the object. Experiencer is the subject. "Who am I?"

is a

> question related to the subject, and not to the object or to the

experience.

>

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 12/12/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > "who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may sound

like

> > a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday and,

> > believe me, it will slowly start making a difference."

> >

> > I feel, you are 100% correct. These questions + a "Why am

I

> > here?" would make it perfect. I believe, nomatter whether one is

man

> > or woman, Kundalini Devi gets SO irritated when one nags oneself

by

> > these questions that she has no other choice but to GET UP and

SHOW

> > THE TRUTH!! The more frequently (and genuinely) one pesters the

more

> > quickly She awakes. (She will think "What nuisance, I will show

you

> > the truth once and for all, but be prepared for the consequences!!

> > So simple but still not SO simple..:-)).

> >

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste all,

> > >

> > > Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I had a

very

> > busy week at work and I am still working.

> > >

> > > This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or feminism.

> > Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in fact, a

> > rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble, especially after

the

> > first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot have

> > Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an insult. So

that is

> > not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that what

Prabodh

> > said is simply incorrect. I can accept such

> > >

> > > Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego consciousness,

> > which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as opposed

> > being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is).

Kundalini is

> > normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo Linga.

> > One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that

> > encompasses one's body, name etc.

> > >

> > > At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But, as

> > Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher planes

of

> > consciousness, one's sex is immaterial.

> > >

> > > In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male or

> > female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very low

> > levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower chakras). As

> > self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's

ego

> > consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important is

one's

> > sex?

> > >

> > > In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis. However,

> > one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make

Kundalini

> > rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga etc -

> > there are so many paths.

> > >

> > > If you want to see the characteristics of one's consciousness,

when

> > it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness (corresponding

to

> > 14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog

between

> > Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a

> > fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita

> > philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book that

> > influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway, whether

> > you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or Karma

> > yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your self-

> > consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which can

> > happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is

different in

> > different paths.

> > >

> > > In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of consciousness

> > according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got

> > moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness reaching the

> > highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is

simply

> > supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching

Sahasrara.

> > If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a woman?

> > >

> > > BTW, one more philosophical rambling:

> > >

> > > As we are born as human beings and blessed with some intellect,

we

> > should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying ourselves

> > down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us further

> > and further away from who we truly are. One's concept of "self"

(ego)

> > is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and

> > conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not, it

is

> > worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I? What

> > exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question, but

do

> > ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will

slowly

> > start making a difference.

> > >

> > > OK, good night now!

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > > Dear Jyothi and others,

> > > > In reply to the question "Why awakening is impossible in

> > women?", Prabodh wrote the following:

> > > > "When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I

> > did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people

> > whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women

are

> > not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess."

> > > > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible to buy

> > his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think"

or "I

> > assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in female

body

> > is possible but no Kundalini activation"

> > > > It appeared that he had total confidence even though he

knows

> > nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is that

> > before making such a radical remark, think millions of times. What

> > does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat

Babajaan,

> > Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women? Normally I

am a

> > calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with

this.

> > His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all

women

> > is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is too

> > short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the best

out

> > of this life time. You are not limited to anything.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Devika.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle

women.

> > But

> > > > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion

(which I

> > > > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read the

> > > > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in the

net.

> > If

> > > > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some

body

> > had

> > > > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it with

> > more

> > > > curiosity).

> > > >

> > > > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you might

have

> > some

> > > > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance' and

> > > > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel women

are

> > more

> > > > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less

dangerously

> > than

> > > > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong mental

> > > > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).

> > > >

> > > > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to

awaken

> > > > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with

female

> > > > disciple does that mean women are not capable or permitted for

> > KA?

> > > > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their mental

> > > > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please

share.

> > If

> > > > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to

various

> > > > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in ones

> > Goddess

> > > > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the truth

> > will, I

> > > > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it can be

a

> > > > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.

> > > >

> > > > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it

would

> > be

> > > > interesting to read the expirences."

> > > >

> > > > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with each

> > person is

> > > > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like, all

men

> > will

> > > > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?

> > > > If the net resources can be believed there are lot of

articles

> > by

> > > > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read about

it

> > but

> > > > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I will

let

> > you

> > > > know.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your clarification.

> > > >

> > > > REgards,

> > > > Jyothi.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I

did

> > not

> > > > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people

whom

> > I

> > > > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are

> > not

> > > > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can

guess. If

> > > > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be

> > > > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I have

not

> > > > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody

knows

> > such

> > > > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much

thankful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is

impossible

> > in

> > > > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no

> > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > activation.

> > > > > > >

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Dear All Namaste

 

There were angry and some very angry reactions on this thread. It

seems that my understanding of Kundalini activation is different

than most of the people in this thread. My knowledge is stright from

the persons who have experienced KA and have told me many hidden

things in most logical manner.(Many have doubt about this but they

are not at fault. I am very poor at expressing what I know!)

 

There seems to be some confusion about the keywords such as

Moksha,Bhaktimarga and Kundalini. Basic aim of Sadhana is to obtain

gyana in Adhyatma. You can obtain knowledge by many means like by

Gyana,Raj,or Bhakti yoga. Kundalini yoga is subclass of Raja yoga.

Now to say that those who follow Gyana or Bhakti marga will also

expirence KA is very bold statement. Every marga will give you

ultimate knowledge but every marga will not be through Kundalini.

The person who has fully activated Kundalini and person who has

reached ultimate level in Bhakti marga will have same knowledge to

share. Both will be realized souls and will have same knowledge. But

there means will be different. Bhakti marga is more popular as it

is considered to be simple and safe. Most of the Santa are from

Bhakti marga. So many feel that Bhakti marga Santa must have obtain

knowledge through Kundalini activation.

 

Since Kundalini activation experience is very difficult to express,

Rishis have written Puranas and MahaKavyas(Ramayan & Mahabharat) to

explain those hidden secrets with the help of stories and

allegories. Once such story is of Kacha-Devayani-Shukracharya. It

ends with the statement that Mantra should not be given to woman.(

Read Gurucharitra). Shukrachary was forced to teach Sanjeevini

(Kundalini is temporary death and Sanjeevini is life after such

death) to his daughter. Shukracharya knew that this vidya should not

be given to woman but succumbed to the pressures put by his

daughter. Shukracharya dies in the process and Devayani learns.

Kacha as well learns as he was in the stomach of Shukracharya. Kacha

comes out in Bramha where as Devayani makes a strong request for

marriage which Kacha turns down. Devayani hence curses Kacha that he

will not be able to use this vidya(like BhargavaRama cursed Karna

in Mahabharata). In turn Kacha says that Devayani will not marry

Brahman(Brahma Janati eti Brahmana)i.e will not be able to control

Brahma. Finally Brihaspati curses to all Brahman that if anybody

teaches Mantra(Kundalini Vidya) to woman he will go Rairaiva Naraka.

 

Those who believe in this story in this way strictly follow it.

Others, who follow literally, suggest Vratas instead of Mantras to

women.

 

I was taught to read Ramayana and Mahabharata is this way. Just try

to understand why Rama asked Laxyamana to cut Stana-Nak-Kana of

Shoorpankha? or even, why Shiva and Brahma are enemies of each

other? In YogaVashista, why Indra and Ahilya story comes again and

again.(I dont exactly remember in which adhya as I read YogaVashista

seven to eight years back.)

 

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

 

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankara

Har Har Shankar

[Guest guest]

I am very poor at expressing what I know!)There seems to be some confusion

about the keywords such as Moksha,Bhaktimarga and Kundalini. Basic aim of

Sadhana is to obtain gyana in Adhyatma. You can obtain knowledge by many means

like by Gyana,Raj,or Bhakti yoga. Kundalini yoga is subclass of Raja yoga. Now

to say that those who follow Gyana or Bhakti marga will also expirence KA is

very bold statement. Every marga will give you ultimate knowledge but every

marga will not be through Kundalini. The person who has fully activated

Kundalini and person who has reached ultimate level in Bhakti marga will have

same knowledge to share. Both will be realized souls and will have same

knowledge. But there means will be different. Bhakti marga is more popular as

it is considered to be simple and safe. Most of the Santa are from Bhakti

marga. So many feel that Bhakti marga Santa must have obtain knowledge through

Kundalini

activation. Since Kundalini activation experience is very difficult to express,

Rishis have written Puranas and MahaKavyas(Ramayan & Mahabharat) to explain

those hidden secrets with the help of stories and allegories. Once such story

is of Kacha-Devayani-Shukracharya. It ends with the statement that Mantra

should not be given to woman.( Read Gurucharitra). Shukrachary was forced to

teach Sanjeevini(Kundalini is temporary death and Sanjeevini is life after such

death) to his daughter. Shukracharya knew that this vidya should not be given to

woman but succumbed to the pressures put by his daughter. Shukracharya dies in

the process and Devayani learns. Kacha as well learns as he was in the stomach

of Shukracharya. Kacha comes out in Bramha where as Devayani makes a strong

request for marriage which Kacha turns down. Devayani hence curses Kacha that

he will not be able to use this vidya(like BhargavaRama cursed Karna

in Mahabharata). In turn Kacha says that Devayani will not marry Brahman(Brahma

Janati eti Brahmana)i.e will not be able to control Brahma. Finally Brihaspati

curses to all Brahman that if anybody teaches Mantra(Kundalini Vidya) to woman

he will go Rairaiva Naraka. Those who believe in this story in this way

strictly follow it. Others, who follow literally, suggest Vratas instead of

Mantras to women.I was taught to read Ramayana and Mahabharata is this way.

Just try to understand why Rama asked Laxyamana to cut Stana-Nak-Kana of

Shoorpankha? or even, why Shiva and Brahma are enemies of each other? In

YogaVashista, why Indra and Ahilya story comes again and again.(I dont exactly

remember in which adhya as I read YogaVashista seven to eight years back.)

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankaraHar Har

Shankar

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Namaste Prabodh,

 

Just to clarify, I was not "angry" at all. This is simply a strong disagreement

and no emotions are involved, as far as I am concerned.

 

> Basic aim of Sadhana is to obtain > gyana in Adhyatma. You can obtain

knowledge by many means like by > Gyana,Raj,or Bhakti yoga. Kundalini yoga is

subclass of Raja yoga. > Now to say that those who follow Gyana or Bhakti marga

will also > expirence KA is very bold statement.

 

It is not a bold statement but a simple fact that people following Gyaana Yoga

or Bhakti Yoga too can experience Kundalini awakening.

 

In a book titled "Kundalini Tantra", Swami Satyananda Saraswati (a disciple of

Swami Sivananda) describes various methods of awakening Kundalini. Raja Yoga is

only one of the several methods mentioned. To say that Kundalini awakening

cannot be obtained by those not following Raja Yoga is definitely incorrect.

 

I personally know people who had Kundalini awakening thru different methods. One

person, for example, was a devotee of Krishna and had an amazing experience

involving an appearance of Lord Krishna at the time of his Kundalini awakening.

The same person had another amazing experience involving a Bhairava Yogi a few

years later, who curiously knew all about the previous appearance of Krishna

and Kundalini awakening and gave him further experiences by simply touching

him! This gentleman definitely was not making things up, as he was not the one

who started the discussion. He did not say anything about his Kundalini

experiences and it was I who first asked him if he had Kundalini experiences in

early 1980s. I saw something in D-20 and Vimsottari dasa and asked him. THEN

ONLY he opened up and narrated his experiences.

 

Interestingly, the basic experience is the same in people following different

methods, though some details are different. Electric explosion at the base of

spine, feeling of a live electric wire in the back, ecstasy, bliss, hearing

certain sounds, feeling of being propelled like a rocket, seeing some light,

merging with the light etc etc are common to several experiences I have heard.

 

In fact, there are cases of Kundalini awakening in all cultures and religions,

even among cultures in which Raja Yoga is not practiced and people don't know

about Kundalini. Kundalini awakening and rise happen when one's ego

consciousness rises above the normal state. One's religion, culture, creed and

spiritual path do not matter.

 

I fully stand by my statement earlier that Kundalini is nothing but the

chid-shakti of one's ego consciousness. Kundalini rise is nothing but one's ego

consciousness reaching higher planes of consciousness. Samadhi is nothing but

the ego consciousness rising to the highest plane of consciousness, i.e.

perfected consciousness that one is non-different from Supreme Brahman. You can

ask the saints who taught you about Kundalini awakening and ask them directly to

comment on my statements.

 

> I was taught to read Ramayana and Mahabharata is this way. Just try > to

understand why Rama asked Laxyamana to cut Stana-Nak-Kana of > Shoorpankha? or

even, why Shiva and Brahma are enemies of each > other? In YogaVashista, why

Indra and Ahilya story comes again and > again.(I dont exactly remember in

which adhya as I read YogaVashista > seven to eight years back.)

 

I humbly suggest that you should keep your biases to yourself and not rub them

on Maharshi Vasishtha.

 

In "Yoga Vaasishtha", Vasishtha taught several stories of women who were fully

enlightened and obtained perfect self-knowledge. Please see the examples of

queen Lila and demoness Karkati.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear All Namaste> > There were angry and some very angry reactions on this

thread. It > seems that my understanding of Kundalini activation is different >

than most of the people in this thread. My knowledge is stright from > the

persons who have experienced KA and have told me many hidden > things in most

logical manner.(Many have doubt about this but they > are not at fault. I am

very poor at expressing what I know!)> > There seems to be some confusion

about the keywords such as > Moksha,Bhaktimarga and Kundalini. Basic aim of

Sadhana is to obtain > gyana in Adhyatma. You can obtain knowledge by many

means like by > Gyana,Raj,or Bhakti yoga. Kundalini yoga is subclass of Raja

yoga. > Now to say that those who follow Gyana or Bhakti marga will also >

expirence KA is very bold statement. Every marga will give you > ultimate

knowledge but every marga will not be through Kundalini. > The person who has

fully activated Kundalini and person who has > reached ultimate level in Bhakti

marga will have same knowledge to > share. Both will be realized souls and will

have same knowledge. But > there means will be different. Bhakti marga is more

popular as it > is considered to be simple and safe. Most of the Santa are from

> Bhakti marga. So many feel that Bhakti marga Santa must have obtain >

knowledge through Kundalini activation. > > Since Kundalini activation

experience is very difficult to express, > Rishis have written Puranas and

MahaKavyas(Ramayan & Mahabharat) to > explain those hidden secrets with the

help of stories and > allegories. Once such story is of

Kacha-Devayani-Shukracharya. It > ends with the statement that Mantra should

not be given to woman.( > Read Gurucharitra). Shukrachary was forced to teach

Sanjeevini> (Kundalini is temporary death and Sanjeevini is life after such >

death) to his daughter. Shukracharya knew that this vidya should not > be given

to woman but succumbed to the pressures put by his > daughter. Shukracharya dies

in the process and Devayani learns. > Kacha as well learns as he was in the

stomach of Shukracharya. Kacha > comes out in Bramha where as Devayani makes a

strong request for > marriage which Kacha turns down. Devayani hence curses

Kacha that he > will not be able to use this vidya(like BhargavaRama cursed

Karna > in Mahabharata). In turn Kacha says that Devayani will not marry >

Brahman(Brahma Janati eti Brahmana)i.e will not be able to control > Brahma.

Finally Brihaspati curses to all Brahman that if anybody > teaches

Mantra(Kundalini Vidya) to woman he will go Rairaiva Naraka. > > Those who

believe in this story in this way strictly follow it. > Others, who follow

literally, suggest Vratas instead of Mantras to > women.> > I was taught to

read Ramayana and Mahabharata is this way. Just try > to understand why Rama

asked Laxyamana to cut Stana-Nak-Kana of > Shoorpankha? or even, why Shiva and

Brahma are enemies of each > other? In YogaVashista, why Indra and Ahilya story

comes again and > again.(I dont exactly remember in which adhya as I read

YogaVashista > seven to eight years back.)

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> > Prabodh Vekhande> Jai Jai Shankara>

Har Har Shankar

[Guest guest]

Respected Narasimhji,

 

 

Am I permitted to ask how you see Kundalini awakening

from D20?

 

Regards,

Jyothi.

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Namaste Prabodh,

>

> Just to clarify, I was not "angry" at all. This is simply a strong

disagreement and no emotions are involved, as far as I am concerned.

>

> > Basic aim of Sadhana is to obtain

> > gyana in Adhyatma. You can obtain knowledge by many means like by

> > Gyana,Raj,or Bhakti yoga. Kundalini yoga is subclass of Raja

yoga.

> > Now to say that those who follow Gyana or Bhakti marga will also

> > expirence KA is very bold statement.

>

> It is not a bold statement but a simple fact that people following

Gyaana Yoga or Bhakti Yoga too can experience Kundalini awakening.

>

> In a book titled "Kundalini Tantra", Swami Satyananda Saraswati (a

disciple of Swami Sivananda) describes various methods of awakening

Kundalini. Raja Yoga is only one of the several methods mentioned. To

say that Kundalini awakening cannot be obtained by those not

following Raja Yoga is definitely incorrect.

>

> I personally know people who had Kundalini awakening thru different

methods. One person, for example, was a devotee of Krishna and had an

amazing experience involving an appearance of Lord Krishna at the

time of his Kundalini awakening. The same person had another amazing

experience involving a Bhairava Yogi a few years later, who curiously

knew all about the previous appearance of Krishna and Kundalini

awakening and gave him further experiences by simply touching him!

This gentleman definitely was not making things up, as he was not the

one who started the discussion. He did not say anything about his

Kundalini experiences and it was I who first asked him if he had

Kundalini experiences in early 1980s. I saw something in D-20 and

Vimsottari dasa and asked him. THEN ONLY he opened up and narrated

his experiences.

>

> Interestingly, the basic experience is the same in people following

different methods, though some details are different. Electric

explosion at the base of spine, feeling of a live electric wire in

the back, ecstasy, bliss, hearing certain sounds, feeling of being

propelled like a rocket, seeing some light, merging with the light

etc etc are common to several experiences I have heard.

>

> In fact, there are cases of Kundalini awakening in all cultures and

religions, even among cultures in which Raja Yoga is not practiced

and people don't know about Kundalini. Kundalini awakening and rise

happen when one's ego consciousness rises above the normal state.

One's religion, culture, creed and spiritual path do not matter.

>

> I fully stand by my statement earlier that Kundalini is nothing but

the chid-shakti of one's ego consciousness. Kundalini rise is nothing

but one's ego consciousness reaching higher planes of consciousness.

Samadhi is nothing but the ego consciousness rising to the highest

plane of consciousness, i.e. perfected consciousness that one is non-

different from Supreme Brahman. You can ask the saints who taught you

about Kundalini awakening and ask them directly to comment on my

statements.

>

> > I was taught to read Ramayana and Mahabharata is this way. Just

try

> > to understand why Rama asked Laxyamana to cut Stana-Nak-Kana of

> > Shoorpankha? or even, why Shiva and Brahma are enemies of each

> > other? In YogaVashista, why Indra and Ahilya story comes again

and

> > again.(I dont exactly remember in which adhya as I read

YogaVashista

> > seven to eight years back.)

>

> I humbly suggest that you should keep your biases to yourself and

not rub them on Maharshi Vasishtha.

>

> In "Yoga Vaasishtha", Vasishtha taught several stories of women who

were fully enlightened and obtained perfect self-knowledge. Please

see the examples of queen Lila and demoness Karkati.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

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> -------------------------------

>

> > Dear All Namaste

> >

> > There were angry and some very angry reactions on this thread. It

> > seems that my understanding of Kundalini activation is different

> > than most of the people in this thread. My knowledge is stright

from

> > the persons who have experienced KA and have told me many hidden

> > things in most logical manner.(Many have doubt about this but

they

> > are not at fault. I am very poor at expressing what I know!)

> >

> > There seems to be some confusion about the keywords such as

> > Moksha,Bhaktimarga and Kundalini. Basic aim of Sadhana is to

obtain

> > gyana in Adhyatma. You can obtain knowledge by many means like by

> > Gyana,Raj,or Bhakti yoga. Kundalini yoga is subclass of Raja

yoga.

> > Now to say that those who follow Gyana or Bhakti marga will also

> > expirence KA is very bold statement. Every marga will give you

> > ultimate knowledge but every marga will not be through Kundalini.

> > The person who has fully activated Kundalini and person who has

> > reached ultimate level in Bhakti marga will have same knowledge

to

> > share. Both will be realized souls and will have same knowledge.

But

> > there means will be different. Bhakti marga is more popular as

it

> > is considered to be simple and safe. Most of the Santa are from

> > Bhakti marga. So many feel that Bhakti marga Santa must have

obtain

> > knowledge through Kundalini activation.

> >

> > Since Kundalini activation experience is very difficult to

express,

> > Rishis have written Puranas and MahaKavyas(Ramayan & Mahabharat)

to

> > explain those hidden secrets with the help of stories and

> > allegories. Once such story is of Kacha-Devayani-Shukracharya. It

> > ends with the statement that Mantra should not be given to woman.

(

> > Read Gurucharitra). Shukrachary was forced to teach Sanjeevini

> > (Kundalini is temporary death and Sanjeevini is life after such

> > death) to his daughter. Shukracharya knew that this vidya should

not

> > be given to woman but succumbed to the pressures put by his

> > daughter. Shukracharya dies in the process and Devayani learns.

> > Kacha as well learns as he was in the stomach of Shukracharya.

Kacha

> > comes out in Bramha where as Devayani makes a strong request for

> > marriage which Kacha turns down. Devayani hence curses Kacha that

he

> > will not be able to use this vidya(like BhargavaRama cursed

Karna

> > in Mahabharata). In turn Kacha says that Devayani will not marry

> > Brahman(Brahma Janati eti Brahmana)i.e will not be able to

control

> > Brahma. Finally Brihaspati curses to all Brahman that if anybody

> > teaches Mantra(Kundalini Vidya) to woman he will go Rairaiva

Naraka.

> >

> > Those who believe in this story in this way strictly follow it.

> > Others, who follow literally, suggest Vratas instead of Mantras

to

> > women.

> >

> > I was taught to read Ramayana and Mahabharata is this way. Just

try

> > to understand why Rama asked Laxyamana to cut Stana-Nak-Kana of

> > Shoorpankha? or even, why Shiva and Brahma are enemies of each

> > other? In YogaVashista, why Indra and Ahilya story comes again

and

> > again.(I dont exactly remember in which adhya as I read

YogaVashista

> > seven to eight years back.)

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankara

> > Har Har Shankar

>

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Subject : Kundalini Awakening

Rating : High

OTHER Members knowledgebase : Basic

 

First, let me thank Mr.Dakshinamoorthi for nicely worded with wise

wisdom i.e. Message No. 67830.

 

Secondly, On a personal note I would request members with basic or

half knowledge not to venture into this advanced topics.

 

Third, the entire vedanta is about soul. The soul does not have

attributes of male or female.

 

Fourth, The first stage of any self/god realization is kundalini

awakening - this is irrespective of which path one follows - i.e.

Hatha, Jnana, Bhakti, Karma & Raja Yoga. If someone is limiting

kundalini to a particular path, only exposes his ignorance....etc..

 

extract of Mr. Prabodh Vekhande message No. 67887

Quote

Every marga will give you ultimate knowledge but every marga will

not be through Kundalini

Kundalini yoga is subclass of Raja yoga. Now to say that those who

follow Gyana or Bhakti marga will also expirence KA is very bold

statement.

Unquote

 

If one does not understand the linkages between this defined FIVE

paths of god realization, one would also end up in proclaiming

superiority of one path over the other akin to the caste system

prevalent in India even today.

 

As for the subject matter, members kindly wait for my detail post

on this possibly this weekend, which would put an end - to current

debate ( particularly for members who are disturbed by the

amateurish write up of a member(s) with half knowledge).

 

I would apologise of having used few strong words here. I would

also request members to rate themselves in the subject area on the

top of the message - so that one can read it and make a conscious

decision to ignore or delete or read it through the message.

 

I would request the moderator to play an active role in filtering

the content & topics being posted into this forum.

 

sreeram srinivas

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

<amolmandar> wrote:

>

> Dear All Namaste

>

> There were angry and some very angry reactions on this thread. It

> seems that my understanding of Kundalini activation is different

> than most of the people in this thread. My knowledge is stright

from

> the persons who have experienced KA and have told me many hidden

> things in most logical manner.(Many have doubt about this but they

> are not at fault. I am very poor at expressing what I know!)

>

> There seems to be some confusion about the keywords such as

> Moksha,Bhaktimarga and Kundalini. Basic aim of Sadhana is to

obtain

> gyana in Adhyatma. You can obtain knowledge by many means like by

> Gyana,Raj,or Bhakti yoga. Kundalini yoga is subclass of Raja yoga.

> Now to say that those who follow Gyana or Bhakti marga will also

> expirence KA is very bold statement. Every marga will give you

> ultimate knowledge but every marga will not be through Kundalini.

> The person who has fully activated Kundalini and person who has

> reached ultimate level in Bhakti marga will have same knowledge to

> share. Both will be realized souls and will have same knowledge.

But

> there means will be different. Bhakti marga is more popular as it

> is considered to be simple and safe. Most of the Santa are from

> Bhakti marga. So many feel that Bhakti marga Santa must have

obtain

> knowledge through Kundalini activation.

>

> Since Kundalini activation experience is very difficult to

express,

> Rishis have written Puranas and MahaKavyas(Ramayan & Mahabharat)

to

> explain those hidden secrets with the help of stories and

> allegories. Once such story is of Kacha-Devayani-Shukracharya. It

> ends with the statement that Mantra should not be given to woman.(

> Read Gurucharitra). Shukrachary was forced to teach Sanjeevini

> (Kundalini is temporary death and Sanjeevini is life after such

> death) to his daughter. Shukracharya knew that this vidya should

not

> be given to woman but succumbed to the pressures put by his

> daughter. Shukracharya dies in the process and Devayani learns.

> Kacha as well learns as he was in the stomach of Shukracharya.

Kacha

> comes out in Bramha where as Devayani makes a strong request for

> marriage which Kacha turns down. Devayani hence curses Kacha that

he

> will not be able to use this vidya(like BhargavaRama cursed Karna

> in Mahabharata). In turn Kacha says that Devayani will not marry

> Brahman(Brahma Janati eti Brahmana)i.e will not be able to control

> Brahma. Finally Brihaspati curses to all Brahman that if anybody

> teaches Mantra(Kundalini Vidya) to woman he will go Rairaiva

Naraka.

>

> Those who believe in this story in this way strictly follow it.

> Others, who follow literally, suggest Vratas instead of Mantras to

> women.

>

> I was taught to read Ramayana and Mahabharata is this way. Just

try

> to understand why Rama asked Laxyamana to cut Stana-Nak-Kana of

> Shoorpankha? or even, why Shiva and Brahma are enemies of each

> other? In YogaVashista, why Indra and Ahilya story comes again and

> again.(I dont exactly remember in which adhya as I read

YogaVashista

> seven to eight years back.)

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankara

> Har Har Shankar

>