Kundalini..to Prabodh (Body parts and houses)

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Dear Sir,

 

Thanks for the information. Can you please elaborate

on 'reaching above space and time'? Though you said it is elementary,

I feel that 'reaching above space-time' is very much higher (for a

normal person like me). Earlier there were so many posts in this

group by several people who claimed (how sincerly I dont know) they

had Kundalini Awakening. If we consider at least one among those

sevaral was sincere and had a REAL awakening, how different will they

be from normal people? I mean, they will be now above the space-time

consciousness. Right? Will such people be able to interact in the

same way as others? I didnt understand what you really meant

by 'above space-time'. Hence this doubt. According to my

understanding, it is a traumatic and frightening situation (unless

there is somebody to guide) where the awareness of this material

world breaks down. It is as if the world we perceive with our

physical senses collapses. Please say if my understanding is correct

or not.

 

Again, if 'reaching above space-time' is an elementary step,

nobody will be there to narrate their experience to others. Because

whetever our senses percieve and experience in this material world is

confined within the frame work of space and time. Right? Once that

framework collapses will one be able to judge what is happeneing to

them? And is this state (being above space time) an irreversible

state? That once reached that state one cannot come back to the space

time frame?

 

Please enlighten me with your knowledge.

 

With respects,

Jyothi.

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

<amolmandar> wrote:

>

> Dear Jyoti Ji Namaste

>

> When Kundalini gets activated (or call it s gets disturbed!) from

> Muladhara, person will see the effects of reaching above Time &

> Space. That is why to control ourself in such condition, one

> requires protection of GURU. WHen kundalini gets Ajna, ultimate

> siddhis are attained. Reaching above Time and Sapce is very

> elementry level of siddhi for such Yogi! They get it in first

> instance of Kundalini activation.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

>

> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > Will just by the activation of Kundalini a person be

> above

> > Time and space? Shouldnt the Kundalini transcend the Ajna Chakra

> for

> > that? From what I have understood, Ajna Chakra is associated with

> > mind and only when it is transcended, the space-time frame

breaks.

> > Please correct me if I am wrong.

> >

> > With respects,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande"

> > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Narashimha Namaste

> > >

> > > Once I get the permission(from swamijee) for sending birth

> details

> > I

> > > will send it.

> > >

> > > Now for Kundalini related expirence,it should not essentially

> > always

> > > have some influance of 8th house. Ofcourse I am just putting my

> > > logical point of view. Kundalini may start ascending from

> Muladhara

> > > on a perticular day. On that day he must have some effect of

8th

> > > house. After that the person is totally under the control of

> > > Kundalini & GURU. It is very dynamic force and hence gets

> randomly

> > > activated once shifted from the Muladhara. That is why, sense

of

> > > Time and Space is lost. I mean when Kundalini is activated and

> is

> > > not yet settled,one will be above Time and Sapce. So how can

we

> > > apply Time?

> > >

> > > BTW, Sanjay in COVA on Pg no 379 has said regarding OSHO chart

> > > "The Moon is the lord of the 12th house ruling emancipation &

> > > meditation and is in debility in Scorpio the occult sign ruling

> > > Kundalini Shakti..." He has on the same page said

> that "Kundalini

> > > Shakti is the power that is dormant at the base of spine called

> > > Muladhara Chakra" That confirms relation between Scorpio and

> > > Muladhara!

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > >

> > > > Based on the few examples I have, I strongly disagree with

> your

> > > view.

> > > >

> > > > Whether Kundalini has just awakened in Mooladhara chakra or

> > > whether Kundalini has just ascended from Anahata chakra to

> Visuddhi

> > > chakra, all Kundalini experiences are governed by the 8th house

> in

> > > my view.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance for the data you promised. Yes, I will keep

> the

> > > charts used in Kundalini matters as secret and only share

> > > astrological principles I validate on those charts with others.

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > Dear Narshimha Namste

> > > > >

> > > > > > My point is that all activities relating to Kundalini,

> such

> > as

> > > > > >awakening, rise from Mooladhara to Swadhishthana, rise to

> > > Anahata,

> > > > > >rise from Anahata to Visuddhi, rise from Visuddhi to Ajna

> etc,

> > > ARE

> > > > > >governed by the 8th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think when Kundalini rising from Muladhara for the first

> time

> > > > > should be govrened by 8th house. Once the process of

> awakening

> > > > > begins it may take few years and every time it may not be

> the

> > > 8th

> > > > > house effect.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will give you one of the chart and related details. Let

> the

> > > data

> > > > > be with you only.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

> Rao"

> > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, Kundalini awakening happens when Kundalini is in

> > > Mooladhara

> > > > > chakra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then Kundalini may take a few years to reach Anahata

> chakra

> > > (if

> > > > > She does at all), via Swadhishthana chakra and Manipoora

> > chakra.

> > > > > Then Kundalini may take a few more years to reach Visuddhi

> > > chakra

> > > > > (if She does at all). And so on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My point is that all activities relating to Kundalini,

> such

> > as

> > > > > awakening, rise from Mooladhara to Swadhishthana, rise to

> > > Anahata,

> > > > > rise from Anahata to Visuddhi, rise from Visuddhi to Ajna

> etc,

> > > ARE

> > > > > governed by the 8th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some may say that Kundalini being seen in the 8th house

> means

> > > that

> > > > > Mooladhara chakra is in the 8th house, as Kundalini is in

> the

> > > > > Mooladhara chakra in unawakened state. This implies that

> > > Kundalini's

> > > > > rise from Anahata chakra to Visuddhi chakra should be seen

> from

> > > > > another house (perhaps the house that shows Anahata chakra).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am taking an issue with that view and saying that

> Kundalini

> > > is

> > > > > always seen from the 8th house. Whether Kundalini just woke

> up

> > > in

> > > > > Mooladhara or whether Kundalini just moved from Anahata to

> > > Visuddhi,

> > > > > the activities of Kundalini ARE from the 8th house always.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What Kundalini does at a given point of time may have to

> be

> > > > > figured out from the interactions between the 8th house and

> > > other

> > > > > houses relating to various chakras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some people may confuse the

> > > > > > > > stimulation of vayus in Mooladhara chakra as a

> Kundalini

> > > > > awakening

> > > > > > > > and the flow of vayus to various chakras as Kundalini

> > > rising.

> > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > some data can be false data and it is tough to get

> > > authentic

> > > > > data. I

> > > > > > > > know very few people that I am convinced had a

genuine

> > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > > experience. Thus, I cannot theorize with certainty.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Kundalini is rising then there is no psudo

> > > > > > > expirences but if you are pretending (because of the

> > > influence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Internet based Yogis and TV or any other reason) then

> > nobody

> > > can

> > > > > > > help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If really Kundalini rose, one will know FOR SURE that it

> was

> > > > > Kundalini. There is no possibility of any confusion and

> > > unsureness.

> > > > > But, until one gets the actual experience, one can construe

> > > various

> > > > > premonitory signs as a Kundalini experience. They may not

be

> > > > > pretentious and may be quite sincere, but it is easy to be

> > > confused.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway, my point is that it is tough to get birthdata of

> > > people

> > > > > with truly risen Kundalinis. I only have charts in single

> > > digits.

> > > > > Unfortunately, I have to keep all the data secretive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you know any Yogis with genuine Kundalini experiences,

> > > please

> > > > > do share the birthdata and the dates/times of important

> > > experiences

> > > > > with me by private mail (pvr@c...). That can help future

> > > researches.

> > > > > If someone wants their data to be secretive, I can honor

> that.

> > I

> > > > > will use the data only in creating/verifying principles and

> > will

> > > > > only share the principles with others and not the data

(like

> > > I've

> > > > > been doing with regard to Kundalini experiences).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > > Dear Narshimha Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Actually I met few people who were kind enough to

expain

> > the

> > > > > process

> > > > > > > of Kundalini rising. Not only that it was pretty clear

> > after

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > teachings that all the santa of Maharashrta(Maharashtra

> has

> > > a

> > > > > long

> > > > > > > and good Santa parampara)right from Gyneshwar to

> ChokhaMela

> > > all

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > given similar expirences about Kundalini rising. I know

> > that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is one school of understanding that says that Kundalini

> > > rising

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > its expirence is a indiviual phenomenon and everybody

> may

> > > have

> > > > > > > different opinion. But I know for sure that more-or-

less

> > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > will have similar expirences. I can say because of

Santa

> > > > > Vadgmaya

> > > > > > > that I have stuided.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as psudo expirences of Apana Vayu & Prana Vayu

> flow,

> > > I

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > it is not possible. If Kundalini is rising then there

is

> no

> > > > > psudo

> > > > > > > expirences but if you are pretending (because of the

> > > influence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Internet based Yogis and TV or any other reason) then

> > nobody

> > > can

> > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I could not understand your last para. This is what I

> > > > > understood.

> > > > > > > Plese correct if required.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Kundalini sleeps at the Muladhara in every person

> > > unactivated

> > > > > > > 2)Kundalini shakti can move to other chakras because of

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > progress. This implies that when such movement happens

> it

> > is

> > > not

> > > > > > > treated as kundalini rising. Am I correct? So now we

> will

> > > have

> > > > > two

> > > > > > > things;Kundalini Movement and Kundalini Rising. This as

> > well

> > > > > means

> > > > > > > that Kundalini rising may start from any chakra. I

think

> > > this is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > correct and possible as well. When Kundalini will start

> > > rising

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > will always start from Muladhara. You have to learn

> > > > > UdiyyanBandha

> > > > > > > before you attempt this process. Possibly you may be

> aware

> > > of

> > > > > why

> > > > > > > this Bandha is a must to start Kundalini awakening.

Once

> > > this

> > > > > > > Kundalini starts rising it will possibly take a year or

> two

> > > to

> > > > > reach

> > > > > > > its destination. During that time only one will have

> > > expirences.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > the Kundalini does not reach to proper destination

> (which

> > is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > common ) it may kill you and that is why one requires a

> > real

> > > > > GURU to

> > > > > > > guide through this awakening process.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So in my humble view, Kundalini awakening begins at

> > > Muladhara

> > > > > > > only.Secondly,Kundalini awakening expirences are

related

> to

> > > 8th

> > > > > > > house. So it is more logical to say that Muladhara is

at

> > 8th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If it is applied to normal Purusha it should be appiled

> to

> > > Kala

> > > > > > > Purush as well! So in KalaPurusha we should see

> Muladhara

> > in

> > > 8th

> > > > > > > house and hence in Scorpio. Ofcourse, this is my

opinion

> > and

> > > may

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> P.V.R.

> > > Rao"

> > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I appreciate your bringing up this point.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my humble view, Kundalini IS to be seen from the

> 8th

> > > house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I have very few charts of people who

> had a

> > > > > > > Kundalini awakening and Kundalini rise. Some people may

> > > confuse

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > stimulation of vayus in Mooladhara chakra as a

Kundalini

> > > > > awakening

> > > > > > > and the flow of vayus to various chakras as Kundalini

> > > rising.

> > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > some data can be false data and it is tough to get

> > authentic

> > > > > data. I

> > > > > > > know very few people that I am convinced had a genuine

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > experience. Thus, I cannot theorize with certainty.

> > However,

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > few reliable charts I saw, the 8th house is prominent

> and

> > > the

> > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > house related dasas were running at the time Kundalini

> woke

> > > up

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > rose.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any genuine Kundalini experience is practically a

> > > temporary

> > > > > death.

> > > > > > > No wonder the 8th house is important.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, please note that the 8th house showing

> Kundalini

> > > > > > > experiences does not imply that the 8th house shows

> > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > chakra. Even though Kundalini in a normal person sleeps

> > > while

> > > > > > > coiling the Swayambhoo Linga that is placed at the

> center

> > of

> > > > > > > Mooladhara chakra, Kundalini shakti can move to other

> > > chakras

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > spiritual progress. Irrespective of where one's

> Kundalini

> > > is -

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > Mooladhara chakra or at Anahata chakra or at Ajna

chakra

> or

> > > at

> > > > > > > another chakra - ALL experiences related to Kundalini

> ARE

> > > shown

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > the 8th house in my view.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How to see the interactions between the 8th house and

> > > other

> > > > > houses

> > > > > > > to figure out when Kundalini rises to what chakra is an

> > area

> > > > > open

> > > > > > > for research.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Narshima Namaste

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not expert in this subject but jaut a random

> > > thought...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The 8th house (Sc) covers the "guhya". Guhya means

> the

> > > > > genitals

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > anus.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Guhya as well means mystery or secret. Kundalini

> > shakti

> > > is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > mystery and is very secret for many people in the

> > world.

> > > > > > > Moroeover,

> > > > > > > > > Kundalini Ugama Sthana is also known as Guhya

> Shtana.So

> > > why

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > consider Kundalini sthana to be in 8th house?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.S: Although, Guhya as well means anus or

> genitials,

> > > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > sects where these body parts are considered as

Guhya!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>