Rasi and div charts/Contradictions/Shri Narasimha

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Sri Prashant,

 

Namaste,

 

Narasimha had been persistent with the statement of placing Muladharam at 180

and as I found he is asking evidence for Muladharam to be at 240. In my

Malayalam article Jyoti_33, I have given a number of important tantrik

precepts. I have referred to one important aspect in the context of birth time,

the verse – "Muladharat pradhamamudito yascha bhavah parakhya…" meaning when a

child is born, the Kundalini manifests as Para and evolves into Pasyanti,

Madhyama and Vaikhari at throat and that is the audible first cry that marks

birth time. >>

 

First cry marks birth time? Hmmm

 

krite tvaadhaana lagnasche tretaayaaMtu jalodayaH

sirodaye dwaaparetukalau bhupatanaM smritaM

 

§ If still someone has doubt about the relation between Muladharam and

Genitals vis-à-vis bottom of spine which is called Kanda_Moolam where the

nervous knot is formed and the tantrik verse quoted "Muladharad…", evidence is

the change of sound that happens in children when they attain puberty.

Simultaneously changes at genitals and also at the Visuddhi where from Vaikhari

is released.

>>

§ Pradakshina at Siva temples is only 2/3

rd of the periphery and then anticlockwise to emulate the course of rising

Kundalini. Ganga cannot be crossed as she crosses over Mula whose deity is

Nirrti or death and the devotee of Siva becomes Mrtyunjaya by the grace of Ma

Kunadalini and the anticlockwise pradakshina ends in front of Siva_Lingam, the

Mangala_Murthy. In no Siva temple Sri Mulasthanam is at 180 degrees, where Siva

and Parvati are installed they will be in opposite directions and 180 degree is

ruled out as the position of Ganga. Linga is called Gangadhara and it can only

be 240 degree in the sky and also on the ground. >>

§ Rudra_Linga_Kumara tantrik secret is recorded even in

Satapathabrahmana. Kumara received the name Rudra as he cried. And the Ruddra

are 11, 10 indriyas and mind together born as Kumara. First cry arise from

Muladhara at 240 degree and Linga and thus Ruddra or the Kundalini as fierce

male power came to be worshipped as Linga. >>

§ Muladharam is the spot where Pancheekaranam takes place in the body

and is therefore called Smasanam. It is therefore the death point (Nirrti) and

in Jyotisha death is the 8

th house and hence the terrestrial sojourn of the soul ends at 240 degree with

Pancheekaranam at Muladharam. >>

§ In Agamic worship, the deepa_arati as per Srsthikrama and

Samharakrama, both use 2/3circles of Deepams in clockwise and anticlockwise

directions and something similar we see in defining the Kalachakra Navamsas and

Dasa cycles.

>>

§

Look at the secret and sacred Number 18 as 18 Nakshatras of 13:20 = 240.

Kundalini is Sarvavidya and she has 18 folds as 18 Vidyas

(Ashtadasa_Mahavidya), 18 steps of Kalari, 18 Puranas, 18

Jyotihsastra_pravartakas etc. 18 and 81 are occult numbers of Jyotisha just as

15 mantra_varnas of Sri Vidya and 51 varna_matrka hold the secret of Sri Vidya

tantram. >>

Why only 18? Each and every number can represent divinity!

To list a few..........

1 - Parabrahma2 - Siva & Sakti/ Vishnu & Lakshmi/ Brahma & Saraswati3 - Tri

Murti(Brahma, Siva & Vishnu)/ Tri Guna (Satwa/ Rajo/ Taamsa)4 - Chatur

Veda(Rig, Yajuh, Sama, Atharvana)

5 - Pancha Bhootas(Earth, Wind, Fire, Air, Ether)/ Pancha Ganga

There are 14 Nakshatra Aswini to Chitra, these represent the Ida-Pingala pair in

the seven rasis rising from Tula! Now, I will put Mooladhaara in Swati and say

15 nakshatras and equate it to Panchadasi! Swati is ruled by Rahu, Aswini by

Ketu. Hence, this represents the "true serpentine path" of kundalini and as

Prashant Nair equated to 18 steps at Sabarigiri, I will equate it to seven

steps(mountains) at Tirupati/ Tirugiri and the seven rasis as below

Tula: Vrishabhaadri: Mooladhaara(Hasta, Chitra) - Lower Mukti-TriveniKanya:

Neelaadri: Swadhishtaana(Purva Phalguni, Uttara Phalguni)Simha: Anjanaadri:

Manipooraka(Aslesha, Makha)

Karkaataka: Seshaadri: Anaahaata(Punarvasu, Pushyami)Mithuna: Garudaadri:

Visuddha(Mrigasira, Ardra)Vrishabha: Narayanaadri: Agna(Krittika, Rohini) -

Upper Mukti-TriveniMesha: Venkataadri: Shasraara(Aswini,Bharani)

There is an Aakasa-Ganga at Tirupati too! More learned members can tell where exaclty this is.

§

Think over the Rudra_Siva Ashta_Murthy Samkalpam which is solar aspect of the

divinity considered in terms of the Rasis from Scorpio to Aries while

Devi_Kundalini and 18 Mahavidyas represent the lunar aspect considered in terms

of the Nakshatras. >>

Ashta moorthy sankalpam? Surya is also called "Sapta aswaarudham"(driven by a 7

horse chariot). Those 7 horses represent 7 chakras of Kundalini. Ashtadasa

mahavidya? I've know of Ashtadasa Sakti Peetha and Dasa Maha Vidya.

With some time to reflect upon, innumerable evidences can be given. Great Mother

is making them ask more and more questions so that we may become more and more

thorough with the intricacies. So Narasimha is most welcome again to say that

all that is said above is rubbish and Muladharam is at 180. >>

 

I fail to understand how all this long, winding and serpetine philosophy has

proved that Mooladhaara is at 240 and particularly in Dhanus! Where are the

other chakras if Mooladhaara is in Dhanus?

 

warm regards,

Vishnu-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita

yena tasmai sri gurave namah

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Dear Sri Prashant,

What I have said is part of scriptures, I have given 100 percent authentic

information and what you speak is your imagination as is the case with many new

researches in Jyotisha. I am not elaborating this point.

 

You have said???? You had just forwarded a mail from Sri Chandra Hari, isin't

it? Unless Prashant Nair and Sri Chandra Hari are the same!

Your reply makes sincere discussions and exchange of views a joke. May be such

replies with "kutarkam" make you and some of your friends happy. To my mind

such comments must be left to themselves... I am not touching them.

 

Thank you, I had asked, why only 18 is sacred and give you an anology how other

numbers can also be sacred, you label it as "kutarkam". I have shown you how

kundalini can reside in one Nama/ Name "Sapta aswarudham", that's kutarkam?

If Sri Narasimha is your Guru, defend him with the proper knowledge and not with

kutarkam. Tomorrow by the grace of Kundalini if your Guru realizes the truth,

then the 'kutarkam' that you have employed shall remain exclusively with you

and cannot be washed off.

What has Sri. Narasimha got to do with what I have written? Why loathe him so

much? Because he asks you all the tough questions? Because he questions your

psyche? Because he questions your very philosophy? Because he questions you

beliefs?

 

My Guru is as much God incarnate to me as your Guru is to you. I respect Sri.

Narasimha and your Guru equally whether they are my Guru or not!

 

Please keep all this senseless rhetoric out if this thread.

Jyotisha and Yoga are divine subjects and please approach that with the respect

it deserves.

Wonder how can you respect Jyotisha and Yoga, when you cannot respect ideas and

views coming from other side of the spectrum.

warm regards,

Vishnu-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram vyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita

yena tasmai sri gurave namaha

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Dear Friends,

 

Quite some time ago,I sought an elementary clarification from the

very articulate"astrologers",as to whether,the Navamsa chart is a

stand alone chart and has to be delineated as such.Since logically

divisional charts owe its existence to the Rasi chart,some

clarification is called for.

 

I regret there is more heat than light on the subject.While I wait

patiently for the Gurus to find time to answer,can somebody else,

provide some answers.Asking to see some web-sites is a diversion

tactic.I have visited them,but my basic doubt remains.

 

Mr Pradeep,why don't you set the ball rolling"I will be grateful.

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha ji

>

> Well i am just ignoring all your rhetoric and who is testing whose

patience kind of comments.It makes no sense.

>

> I have always been maintaining a single stand regarding

Amshas,right from day ONE.Any neutral member of this list can

confirm this.Ask Panditji.

>

> On the other hand you have been changing your views resulting in

extreme contradictions.See them.

>

> 1)Parashara defined amsha signs and mapping logic.

>

> 2)Parashara did not define any amsha signs but only their Lords

(To support your Kalachakra dasha views)

>

> 3)Amshas are Transformed onto some Imaginary Zodiacs.

>

> 4)Not imaginary Zodiacs.Transformation within same Zodiac.

(Agreeing to my debate)

>

> 5)A further 3.20 degree sector is needed within the Rashi

corresponding to a navamsha.(Taking navamsha of a planet and placing

it on another navamsha?!!)

>

>

> Classics say Mooladhara is placed between Guda and Linga.You are

learned enough to understand the Sign/Limb mapping - given by

Parashara.But still you say '' For ME Mooladhara of Kalapurusha is

at 180 degrees''.

>

> Now as per you - ''Someone who contradicts himself conveniently

and does not even acknowledge it is not fit for a debate''. -If I

leave it for you to decide on the above said - Can you please

honestly make an assesment?.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > >>If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and in Li in

navamsa.

> > >>In such a case, people normally say that "Jupiter's navamsa"

is in Li.

> > >

> > > Agreed.Normally we can talk like that.But with you it is not

possible.

> > > Because you have your own theories.

> >

> > If "normally we can talk like that", then you should

have "talked like that" from the beginning, instead of giving a

different interpretation of the term "Jupiter's navamsa" with each

other mail. One can read the thread quoted below to see how you flip-

flopped on what exactly that term meant.

> >

> > After flip-flopping and finally agreeing with me, it is quite

lame to blame ME for YOUR inconsistency.

> >

> > The thing you have finally "agreed" to above is what I have

ALWAYS maintained. So, where is the question of I having my own

theories and I blocking you from agreeing to the above?

> >

> > Out of your own volition, you gave different interpretations of

the term "Jupiter's navamsa". Out of your own volition, now

you "agreed". Don't blame me.

> >

> > >>As per YOUR terminology as explained above, it seems to me that

> > >>Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case (because

> > >>"Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the

> > >>nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you

> > >>correctly?

> > >

> > > You know for sure that you have not understood me corerctly.

> >

> > In your own words, "By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the

intended meaning was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is

one among the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi."

> >

> > I used the same logic you gave above and just replaced Libra

with Gemini. Then I got the statement "By Jupiter's navamsha is in

Gemini - the intended meaning was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that

Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within Gemini Rashi." That

is indeed the case for Jupiter at 2 deg in Ge. Hence it seems quite

straight-forward that "Jupiter's navamsha" should be in Ge as per

the interpretation you gave.

> >

> > When I applied the interpetation you gave in a straight-forward

way, you come back and say "You know for sure that you have not

understood me corerctly." I don't know of ANY OTHER way to

understand what you wrote!

> >

> > This is APPALLING. I have been very patient with you. Instead of

big philosophical points, I stuck to simple practical points and

tried to get closure on atleast some basic terminology so that

debate can be taken to more involved areas. If you cannot even

clearly define your own terminology and STICK WITH IT, you should

stay away from debates.

> >

> > After patiently arguing with you and giving you the benefit of

doubt for a long time, I am fully convinced that you keep changing

your stand without acknowledging that you were previously wrong.

Someone who contradicts himself conveniently and does not even

acknowledge it is not fit for a debate.

> >

> > This is the end of my debate with you. When and if you form a

clear understanding of what various terms mean and can maintain

consistency in terminology, I can consider debating with you again.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

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> >

> > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > >

> > > >>If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and in Li

in navamsa. In such a case, people normally say that >>"Jupiter's

navamsa" is in Li.

> > >

> > > Agreed.Normally we can talk like that.But with you it is not

possible.Because you have your own theories.You will then again try

to find another navamsha and some special degrees within Libra RASHI

for jupiter!!!.Thus i have to differentiate between Gemini

Rashi,Libra Rashi and Libra Navamsha.Thus i had to say ''in'' cannot

be used as jupiter is not IN Libra Rashi but in Gemini Rashi.Hope

you remember the context -I can give you reference in case of

difficulties.

> > >

> > > >>As per YOUR terminology as explained above, it seems to me

that Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case (because

>>"Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine

navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you >>correctly?

> > >

> > > You know for sure that you have not understood me

corerctly.You have to say - Jupiter's some navamsha(libra in this

case) is in Gemini(Rashi).

> > > This Libra navamsha will be related to Libra Rashi through

amshakarashi/Rashi relationship.If you want i can give you shlokas -

If seventh from lagna has amshaka of Shani and drishti of Papa

Grahas wife will have Yoni Roga and all etc to know how amsha of

planet is joining its Rashi through the above said relationship.This

is not my theory.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regarding Rajayoga my understanding is as below.This was

explained many times.Shri Finn too had explained this once.Shri

Inderjit ji had analysed your chart using the amashaka/rashi

relationship.

> > >

> > > Assume Lagna is at 2 deg in Ge.

> > >

> > > Then Lagna is in Gemini Rashi.Lagna Navamsha is Libra.Lagna

Trimshamsha is Aries.It means Lagna has attained

libra/aries,navamsha/trimshamshas respectively within Gemini

Rashi.Now through asmhakarashi/rashi relationship libra navamsha and

aries trimshamshas are related to Libra and Aries Rashis.(This kind

of relationship is not my theory).

> > >

> > > If one planet is conjoining or aspecting all these signs

(acting as shad vargas of Lagna) then full Rajayoga results.

> > > 1)In certain cases all the shadvargas can fall in a single

sign.Then a planet is conjoining all.

> > > 2)In certain other cases a planet can aspect some signs and

conjoin another.For example assume Guru is placed in dhanu.

Dhanu/Aries and Leo happen to be the shadvargas of lagna.Then Guru

is either aspecting or conjuncting all the shadvargas of lagna.

> > >

> > > As we have a single Zodiac,12 Rashis and a single lagna

placement at a point in time - all these happen within the same

Rashi Chakra.I hope you will not bring in your imaginary zodiac kind

of theories or degrees again.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

pvr@c... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > > There is nothing like my dictionary.

> > > >

> > > > Though you say so, the rest of your mail does convince me

that you have your own terminology and "intended meanings".

> > > >

> > > > > By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was

> > > > > Jupiter is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed

in

> > > > > Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees).

> > > > >

> > > > > By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning

was

> > > > > Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among

> > > > > the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi.

> > > >

> > > > If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and in Li

in navamsa. In such a case, people normally say that "Jupiter's

navamsa" is in Li. As per YOUR terminology as explained above, it

seems to me that Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case

(because "Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among

the nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you

correctly?

> > > >

> > > > Now, with this terminology, I wonder how you interpret the

raja yoga verse we discussed at the beginning of this thread. It

talks about the same planet occupying or aspecting "lagna's

shadvargas", i.e. lagna's rasi, lagna's navamsa, lagna's hora,

lagna's drekkana, lagna's dwadasamsa and lagna's trimsamsa.

> > > >

> > > > If lagna is at 2 deg in Ge, according to the terminology you

introduced above, "lagna's navamsa" is in Ge (because "lagna has

some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas

within" Gemini Rashi), "lagna's dwadasamsa" is in Ge (because,

similar to what you said, "lagna has some Dwadasamsa and that

Dwadasamsa is one among the twelve dwadasamsas within" Gemini Rashi)

and so on. Thus, all the six "lagna's shadvargas" are in Ge rashi

according to interpretation you gave above. Thus, any planet

occupying or aspecting Ge rashi can give this raja yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Is that what you are saying? The normal interpretation is

different. If lagna is at 2 deg in Ge, normally we take "lagna's

rasi" as Ge, "lagna's navamsa" as Li, "lagna's trimsamsa" as Ar etc.

The normal interpretation requires the same planet to occupy/aspect

all these signs (in various divisions). With your interpretation

of "lagna's navamsa", all of "lagna's shadvargas" fall in the same

sign and this yoga is becoming a trivial yoga. Is that what you are

saying?

> > > >

> > > > If you are not saying this, then are you withdrawing the

interpretation you gave above for the term "Jupiter's navamsha" and

agreeing that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in

Libra navamsa" are equivalent statements? If you do so, you will

have to acknowledge that you contradicted yourself in the two posts

I quoted below.

> > > >

> > > > > Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up

isolated

> > > > > statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style.

> > > >

> > > > Well, these are questions related to your termonology. If

one is not able to answer objective questions on terminology with

clarity, there is no point in discussing anything whatsoever!

> > > >

> > > > One using terms vaguely can say something in one mail,

contradict oneself in another mail and then deny the contradiction

by giving yet another vague explanation and playing with words.

Asking pointed questions and getting clarity on the terminology can

eliminate such things!

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

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> > > >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > >

> > > > > There is nothing like my dictionary.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter has a placement in Zodiac.A single placement.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity

called "Jupiter's navamsa"

> > > > > > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of

Jupiter"?

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes there is an entity(not jupiters in specific but

navamsha of a graha in general).It is one among the shadvargas of a

graha(If you want i can give the shloka)

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiters Navamsha is the specific 3.20 degrees sector

falling within the 30 degree Rashi in which it is placed.

> > > > >

> > > > > >>>I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter

is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your view.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up

isolated statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style.

> > > > > We can answer them only w.r to the Rashis in which the

corresponding navamsha is falling.

> > > > >

> > > > > By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning

was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the

nine navamshas within Libra Rashi.

> > > > >

> > > > > By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was

Jupiter is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed in Libra

navamsha(3.20 degrees).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao" pvr@c... wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You did not answer my question. I asked:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity

called "Jupiter's navamsa"

> > > > > > > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of

Jupiter"?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You did not answer it. This is important for further

discussion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If that entity does not exist in your dictionary, I

wonder how you interpret the term "lagna's shadvargas" mentioned by

Parasara in the raja yoga verse we discussed. If that entity does

exist in your dictionary, I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra"

and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your

view.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If they are not, please elaborate what each means to

you. If they are equivalent, please tell me why my conclusion that

you contradicted yourself in two consecutive posts is wrong (see

what I wrote below in the quoted post).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you don't directly answer my straight-forward

questions, I will have to conclude that you are not genuinely

interested in a dialog and will have to ignore all the rhetoric you

resort to in other mails.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > ------------------------

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> > > > > > ------------------------

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed.

> > > > > > > Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA

sector is pointing towards the harmonic influence this particular

3.2 degree sector is having with SIGN Libra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini

Rashi and Not in LIBRA Rashi.

> > > > > > > LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA

rashi as it is one among the numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA

sign is having on other signs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this is clear

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just in the previous mail before this mail, you

claimed:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra -

Libra is the SIGN having

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now you wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha

within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra

> > > > > > > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y"

in one mail and "X and hence Y" in another mail. That's a

contradiction!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to

think that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra

navamsa" are totally different statements (with the former being

wrong and the latter being correct). Is that what you are saying by

any chance?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If these two statements are identical to you (or if

they imply each other), then I think that the two quotes from you

above contradict each other.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly make your stand clear!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity

called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa

influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in which this

entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or

not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is

not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna

drekkana etc being aspected by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I

thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and took it in

Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can facilitate

some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement

disappears, we are back to square one.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is again a very simple point.I should had

explained this as

> > > > > > > > > well.The answer for both your questions is YES.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically,

his navamsa is "IN"

> > > > > > > > > Cancer. Is it correct?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but

within ''ARIES SIGN''

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically,

he is "exalted" in

> > > > > > > > > navamsa. Is it correct?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but

within ''ARIES SIGN''

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which

inturn represents

> > > > > > > > > sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now if you read our mails again you will

understand that we were

> > > > > > > > > talking about how this jupiter was related to

LIBRA Sign.In your words

> > > > > > > > > transformed space.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha

within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra

> > > > > > > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I

hope this is very

> > > > > > > > > clear and you may read our mails again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at

a point in time?.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present

in two Zodiac signs

> > > > > > > > > at a point in time?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame

new theories and

> > > > > > > > > you are welcome and i am not interested.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My answer is a planet has one position with

different harmonic

> > > > > > > > > influences.Please read my 11 points.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and

excited state) in the

> > > > > > > > > Company of a special friend.Does this show a

Sambandha.This Samandha

> > > > > > > > > can be over phone,Video conferencing,same

room ,different houses but

> > > > > > > > > balconies with a view etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic

influence with a

> > > > > > > > > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel

excited or exalted

> > > > > > > > > through harmonic sambandha of another kind.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded

by it - Even if it

> > > > > > > > > is not placed there.Similarly there are many

harmonic infleunces which

> > > > > > > > > need not be always first harmonic or conjunction.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I still beleive you will take the right step!!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra -

Libra is the SIGN having

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What????? What is this distinction???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted

in navamsa as per

> > > > > > > > > normal understanding), can I similarly say the

following: "It is not

> > > > > > > > > that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer

is the SIGN having

> > > > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru."

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please don't expect me to read between your

lines and kindly do me a

> > > > > > > > > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward

questions with an

> > > > > > > > > explicit "yes" or "no":

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically,

his navamsa is "IN"

> > > > > > > > > Cancer. Is it correct?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically,

he is "exalted" in

> > > > > > > > > navamsa. Is it correct?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If your answer to either question is "no", we

have nothing further

> > > > > > > > > to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of

explaining to do

> > > > > > > > > regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc.

Whether a planet is

> > > > > > > > > "exalted" in a particular division (such as

navamsa or dasamsa) is

> > > > > > > > > used in several matters.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly

wonder what on earth

> > > > > > > > > you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the

difference between

> > > > > > > > > Cancer and Libra to change your stand?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge

could easily understand

> > > > > > > > > > > what i have been talking.

> > > > > > > > > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on

signs, that is only >

> > > > > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact

quantification of an aspects >

> > > > > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in

Ar, then his aspect on >

> > > > > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance,

aspect of such a Mars on 0 >

> > > > > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible).

His aspect on 29 deg >

> > > > > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO

YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please

> > > > > > > > > > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is YES and a known point.I had

mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the

> > > > > > > > > > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It

conveys the same meaning

> > > > > > > > > > > that you have mentioned above).

> > > > > > > > > > > This means if there is no planet you can only

find the degree where

> > > > > > > > > > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality

of navamsha or

> > > > > > > > > > > kshethra.It remains the same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's

navamsa" is in Libra and

> > > > > > > > > > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra

associated with it, how do

> > > > > > > > > > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar

aspects it? After all, Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign

of Libra as discussed

> > > > > > > > > >above!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra -

Libra is the SIGN having

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha

is having roles as

> > > > > > > > > > > 1)Son

> > > > > > > > > > > 2)Father

> > > > > > > > > > > 3)Husband

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by

parashara, assumes multiple

> > > > > > > > > > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20

minutes'' within any sign is

> > > > > > > > > > > harmonically related to one among the 12

Signs.I have been mentioning

> > > > > > > > > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are

conveniently not reading this.I

> > > > > > > > > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in

degrees for navamsha you

> > > > > > > > > > > are moving from one navamsha to another

navamsha and you are in a

> > > > > > > > > > > loop!!!!.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if

Mars is not entirely

> > > > > > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet

in LIBRA - are we having

> > > > > > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi

Chakra.What difference does

> > > > > > > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero

difference.Only difference is

> > > > > > > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth

harmonic while opposition is

> > > > > > > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please

differentiate these two.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars

aspects "Jupiter's >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when

Libra is empty.

> > > > > > > > > > > (I am expecting an answer on this )

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if

Mars is not entirely

> > > > > > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet

in LIBRA - are we having

> > > > > > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi

Chakra.What difference does

> > > > > > > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero

difference.Only difference is

> > > > > > > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth

harmonic while opposition is

> > > > > > > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please

differentiate these two.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and

make assumptions - even

> > > > > > > > > > > though if it gives you an edge.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a

simple yes or no

> > > > > > > > > > > question (question 1 below) with a straight

yes or no. You probably

> > > > > > > > > > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet

did not want to face

> > > > > > > > > > > the uncomfortable followup question by

agreeing with Parasara. I can

> > > > > > > > > > > only guess...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on

Libra?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars

on Libra". Mars aspects

> > > > > > > > > > > various planets with various

strengths/intensities based on the exact

> > > > > > > > > > > angle between them. Mars aspects various

houses with various

> > > > > > > > > > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle

between him and the

> > > > > > > > > > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara

defined the quantification of

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect based on the exact angle between the

aspecting planet and the

> > > > > > > > > > > aspected point.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house

aspect is on 29 deg Li

> > > > > > > > > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees

(almost one sign!) away

> > > > > > > > > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is

negligible (it is 3% using

> > > > > > > > > > > Parasara's formula)!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does

not aspect the entire

> > > > > > > > > > > sign of Libra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your argument

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture

only upon a planetary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in

Libra.Give me such an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the

possibility that you were

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in

Libra had no longitude

> > > > > > > > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in

Ar, perhaps his navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote

earlier. That is how it is

> > > > > > > > > > > taken in tradition in the calculation of

further divisions in navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-

dwadasamsa!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty

in this

> > > > > > > > > discussion.if not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and

patiently. But the very fact

> > > > > > > > > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes

or no question with a

> > > > > > > > > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you

calculate Drigbala of

> > > > > > > > > Mars on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now

same Libra is

> > > > > > > > > navamsha for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti

kendra.Your argument

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture

only upon a planetary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in

Libra.Give me such an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from

one navamsha to another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is

showing the harmonic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > influence that sector, is having with

another SIGN.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty

in this

> > > > > > > > > discussion.if not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration

given to me. Let me try

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > last time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based

on signs, that is only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact

quantification of an

> > > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg

in Ar, then his

> > > > > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance,

aspect of such a Mars on 0

> > > > > > > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e.

negligible). His aspect on

> > > > > > > > > 29 deg

> > > > > > > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that

this is a "YES" or "NO"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to

discuss! If you want, you may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring

Parasara's guideline on

> > > > > > > > > how to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's

navamsa" is in Libra

> > > > > > > > > and do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra

associated with it, how do you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects

it? After all, Mars

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of

Libra as discussed above!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars

aspects "Jupiter's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa" quantify it?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------

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