Can there be Annual Tithi Pravesa?- Shri PVR Rao is correct!

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Dear Sir,

 

Thank you for the kind words and blessings. I am glad to know that your guruji

uses Tithi Pravesha technique. I used it to give correct predictions to so many

people. They say that the proof of the pudding is in eating. TP worked for me

and moreover it makes great conceptual sense too.

 

> I do not why people post hate mails in such open forums.

 

As astrologers, we should remember the laws of karma. If some people hate us or

give us unfair problems or obstruct our good work, our own previous karma is

behind it. There is not an iota of doubt in that. I must have obstructed the

good work of some good people in a previous life. Every action of the

manifested and divided consciousness has an equal reaction. Those who help us

overcome the bad karma of our previous lives may not seem like friends, but

they are indeed our greatest friends!

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

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> Dear Shri. Narasimha Rao,> > Sir, I congratulate you on your excellent

post. I am in total agreement with your views. My guruji Pandit.

R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI also uses the technique of thithi pravesa. Probably you know

panditji as he is also a regular contributor of articles in Express Star Teller

just like you. Sir, it is knowledgeable gurus like you who maintain the glory

of astrology. May your tribe increase. I do not why people post hate mails in

such open forums. All right-minded souls are with people like you.> >

Regards,> > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> Dear friends,>

> One gentleman dismissed the concept of annual Tithi Pravesha charts in the

mail enclosed below. Another gentleman with whom I privately corresponded in the

last few weeks regarding Chandra Hari ayanamsa also indicated to me that he

could disprove Tithi Pravesha on the lists if he wanted to. So it seems to me

like there is a strong bias against Tithi Pravesha in a camp of astrologers.>

> Let me briefly respond.> > > If we are committed to maintain the

sastra foundations of Jyotisha, it is> > necessary to have a proper scrutiny

of the new methods that are being> > created and taught to students as some

tradition.> > Prashant's implied accusation that we are "creating" new

methods and teaching them to students "as some tradition" is baseless. He has no

basis to draw such a conclusion. I can ask him to apologize for making such a

false accusation, but I will go easy on our new friend.> > Annual Tithi

Pravesha chart method is not a "new method". It was not created by Pt Sanjay

Rath or I. It is indeed from our tradition.> > > > As for example a> >

tradition of Jyotisha using the so called "Annual Tithi Pravesa" never> >

existed anywhere.> > The fact that Sri Rama's birthday is celebrated on

Sukla Navami tithi and Krishna's birthday is celebrated on Krishna Ashtami

tithi and not based on the degree of Sun must tell you something.> > > >

It could not have as the ancient Sages had> > knowledge of the relevant

astronomy and would not have blundered. > > "Annual Tithi Pravesa" does not

break any astronomy principles and it is based on good astronomical principles.

It is certainly not a blunder as Prashant opines.> > > When such is the

astronomical phenomenon what sanctity is there for> > a moment generated by

the 365.2563624 (solar year) versus the> > 29.530588 lunation relation? Such

tithis are there in all lunar months> > and when it comes to the month in

which somebody is born, both Sun> > and Moon will be 15 or 15 degrees away

from natal positions. With> > such a sthoola return can chart be errected

and predicted with Varga> > and Arudha? > > Though the tithi of birth

returns in every month, its return in the month of birth is special. When the

tithi returns in the month of birth, Sun and Moon may be several deg away from

their natal positions as you said. But, why is it so vital that they should be

at their natal longitude?????> > Sun's longitude is one objective metric,

but the angular difference between Sun and Moon is another objective metric.

Why do you think that that objective metric is useless?> > Sun takes the

form of 12 Adityas in 12 signs. If Sun takes the same Aditya form as at birth

(i.e. Sun occupies the same sign as at birth) and then Sun-Moon angular

difference returns to its exact natal value, why can't that moment be an

important epoch? Why are you so keen on Sun's longitude being the objective

metric that should return? Why can't another objective metric be used for

return, to define an epoch?> > > How does a moment qualify to be used as

an epoch for looking into future? Any moment by any rationale? > > Several

moments can be defined, but not arbitrarily. When Sun is back in the natal sign,

he has the same Aditya form as at birth. Further, if an objective metric based

on Sun and Moon returns to its natal value during that month when Sun is back

to his Aditya form at birth, it is an important epoch. If S and M are the

longitudes of Sun and Moon, then some possible objective metrics are S, M, M-S

and M+S. Based on them, we have the Tajika varsha pravesha chakra, Nakshatra

pravesha chakra, Tithi pravesha chakra and Yoga pravesha chakra.> > The

kind of matters shown by the epoch till the next epoch would depend on the

nature of the objective metric used in the definition of the epoch!! One has to

clearly understand the meaning of various objective metrics (e.g. S, M, M-S and

M+S), before understanding what kind of matters/events can be seen in the chart

cast at that epoch!!!! One cannot say that multiple objective metrics cannot be

used.> > > If any such moment like ATP, Karana and Yoga and Nakshatra

pravesa> > all can be used for Annual horoscopy, what will be the fate of

Jyotisha? > > Well, the fate/destiny of Jyotisha would be great!! Only thing

is that one has to clearly understand what kind of events are shown by what kind

of epoch. Read my last paragraph above.> > > ATP kind of pseudo_Jyotisham,

unless eliminated shall make Jyotisha> > a laughing stock before the

scientific world and also before the genuine> > scholars of Jyotisha. > >

Unfortunately, there has been too much of rhetoric like this from one camp of

late. They are so indignant about what others do and keep threatening that

astrology will become a "laughing stock". This is unfortunate. On examination,

I don't find their criticism and concerns reasonable. Their over-confidence in

pronouncing strong judgments against techniques that they possibly don't

understand that well astonishes me. I can only pray to the Mother and wait for

a turn in Her beautiful play. She alone knows what She is doing.> > Some

of us are more optimistic and see a renaissance in Jyotisham coming up in the

next 2-3 decades, as more and more secret techniques from tradition become

common knowledge and all the knowledge of rishis is integrated into one

coherent understanding.> > If someone says that the technique of ATP is

"pseudo Jyotisham", I have nothing to say to them. Obviously, such a person is

highly biased and opinionated. It is neither possible nor necessary to convince

such a person that ATP is not "pseudo-Jyotisham".> > May Jupiter's light

shine on us, Narasimha>

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friends, > > > > If we are committed to maintain the sastra foundations of

Jyotisha, it is necessary to have a proper scrutiny of the new methods that are

being created and taught to students as some tradition. As for example a

tradition of Jyotisha using the so called "Annual Tithi Pravesa" never existed

anywhere. It could not have as the ancient Sages had knowledge of the relevant

astronomy and would not have blundered. > > > > Look at a basic text of

astronomy. We can know that the the tithis of 12 deg reccur every lunar month

and at the end of the solar year we have a partial lunar month of 365.2563624 -

354 days = nearly 11 tithis comes as a balance in every solar year considered.

This is a well known calendar phenomena and at successive solar returns, Moon

and tithi go on shifting and such relative change is the basis of solar return

charts of which a wonderful treatment can be found in the books of Dr.KS

Charak. > > > > Above calendar phenomena led to the practice of intercalations

and thus we came to have yugas of 5 years, 4 years, 6 years, 8 years, 11 and 19

at various stages of growth of ancient astronomy. > > > > When such is the

astronomical phenomenon what sanctity is there for a moment generated by the

365.2563624 (solar year) versus the 29.530588 lunation relation? Such tithis

are there in all lunar months and when it comes to the month in which somebody

is born, both Sun and Moon will be 15 or 15 degrees away from natal positions.

With such a sthoola return can chart be errected and predicted with Varga and

Arudha? > > > > If any such moment like ATP, Karana and Yoga and Nakshatra

pravesa all can be used for Annual horoscopy, what will be the fate of

Jyotisha? > > > > How does a moment qualify to be used as an epoch for looking

into future? Any moment by any rationale? > > > > ATP kind of pseudo_Jyotisham,

unless eliminated shall make Jyotisha a laughing stock before the scientific

world and also before the genuine scholars of Jyotisha. > > > > Prashant> > > >

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