Can there be Annual Tithi Pravesa?- Shri PVR Rao is correct!

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Ashtami tithi and not based on the degree of Sun must tell you something. > It

could not have as the ancient Sages had > knowledge of the relevant astronomy

and would not have blundered. "Annual Tithi Pravesa" does not break any

astronomy principles and it is based on good astronomical principles. It is

certainly not a blunder as Prashant opines. > When such is the astronomical

phenomenon what sanctity is there for > a moment generated by the 365.2563624

(solar year) versus the > 29.530588 lunation relation? Such tithis are there in

all

lunar months > and when it comes to the month in which somebody is born, both

Sun > and Moon will be 15 or 15 degrees away from natal positions. With > such

a sthoola return can chart be errected and predicted with Varga > and Arudha?

Though the tithi of birth returns in every month, its return in the month of

birth is special. When the tithi returns in the month of birth, Sun and Moon

may be several deg away from their natal positions as you said. But, why is it

so vital that they should be at their natal longitude????? Sun's longitude is

one objective metric, but the angular difference between Sun and Moon is another

objective metric. Why do you think that that objective metric is useless? Sun

takes the form of 12 Adityas in 12 signs. If Sun takes the same Aditya form as

at birth (i.e. Sun occupies the same sign as at birth) and then Sun-Moon

angular difference returns to its exact natal value, why can't that moment be

an important epoch? Why are you so keen on Sun's longitude being the objective

metric that should return? Why can't another objective metric be used for

return, to define an epoch? > How does a moment qualify to be used as an

epoch for looking into future? Any moment by any rationale? Several moments

can be defined, but not arbitrarily. When Sun is back in the natal sign, he has

the same Aditya

form as at birth. Further, if an objective metric based on Sun and Moon returns

to its natal value during that month when Sun is back to his Aditya form at

birth, it is an important epoch. If S and M are the longitudes of Sun and Moon,

then some possible objective metrics are S, M, M-S and M+S. Based on them, we

have the Tajika varsha pravesha chakra, Nakshatra pravesha chakra, Tithi

pravesha chakra and Yoga pravesha chakra. The kind of matters shown by the

epoch till the next epoch would depend on the nature of the objective metric

used in the definition of the epoch!! One has to clearly understand the meaning

of various objective metrics (e.g. S, M, M-S and M+S), before understanding what

kind of matters/events can be seen in the chart cast at that epoch!!!! One

cannot say that multiple objective metrics cannot be used. > If any such

moment like ATP, Karana and Yoga and Nakshatra pravesa > all can be used for

Annual horoscopy, what will be the fate of Jyotisha? Well, the fate/destiny

of Jyotisha would be great!! Only thing is that one has to clearly understand

what kind of events are shown by what kind of epoch. Read my last paragraph

above. > ATP kind of pseudo_Jyotisham, unless eliminated shall make Jyotisha

> a laughing stock before the scientific world and also before the genuine >

scholars of Jyotisha. Unfortunately, there has been too much of rhetoric

like

this from one camp of late. They are so indignant about what others do and keep

threatening that astrology will become a "laughing stock". This is unfortunate.

On examination, I don't find their criticism and concerns reasonable. Their

over-confidence in pronouncing strong judgments against techniques that they

possibly don't understand that well astonishes me. I can only pray to the

Mother and wait for a turn in Her beautiful play. She alone knows what She is

doing. Some of us are more optimistic and see a renaissance in Jyotisham

coming up in the next 2-3 decades, as more and more secret techniques from

tradition become common knowledge and all the knowledge of rishis is integrated

into one coherent understanding. If someone says that the technique of ATP is

"pseudo Jyotisham", I have nothing to

say to them. Obviously, such a person is highly biased and opinionated. It is

neither possible nor necessary to convince such a person that ATP is not

"pseudo-Jyotisham". May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

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friends, > > If we are committed to maintain the sastra foundations of

Jyotisha, it is necessary to have a proper scrutiny of the new methods that are

being created and taught to students as some tradition. As for example a

tradition of Jyotisha using the so called "Annual Tithi Pravesa" never existed

anywhere. It could not have as the ancient Sages had knowledge of the relevant

astronomy and would not have blundered. > > Look at a basic text of astronomy.

We can know that the the tithis of 12 deg reccur every lunar month and at the

end of the solar year we have a partial lunar month of 365.2563624 - 354 days =

nearly 11 tithis comes as a balance in every solar year considered. This is a

well known calendar phenomena and at successive solar returns, Moon and tithi

go on shifting and such relative change is the basis of solar return charts of

which a wonderful treatment can be found in the books of Dr.KS Charak. > >

Above calendar phenomena led to the practice of intercalations and thus we came

to have yugas of 5 years, 4 years, 6 years, 8 years, 11 and 19 at various

stages of growth of ancient astronomy. > > When such is the astronomical

phenomenon what sanctity is there for a moment generated by the 365.2563624

(solar year) versus the 29.530588 lunation relation? Such tithis are there in

all lunar months and when it comes to the month in which somebody is born, both

Sun and Moon will be 15 or 15 degrees away from natal positions. With such a

sthoola return can chart be errected and predicted with Varga and Arudha? > >

If any such moment like ATP, Karana and Yoga and Nakshatra pravesa all can be

used for Annual horoscopy, what will be the fate of Jyotisha? > > How does a

moment qualify to be used as an epoch for looking into future? Any moment by

any rationale? > > ATP kind of pseudo_Jyotisham, unless eliminated shall make

Jyotisha a laughing stock before the scientific world and also before the

genuine scholars of Jyotisha. > > Prashant

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