Brief Account of Chandra Hari Ayanamsa - Rationale of Zodiac/Shri Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Hari Namaste

 

I was forced to make such remarks.Time spent on debates do have value.Shri

Narasimha had enagaged with me on lenghty debates.Despite of answering all his

queries,he is ignoring the outcome.

 

Now similarly,i had even sent a link and had discussed location of mooladhara in

the past.Sreenadh had given shloka.It was very clear that Guda and Linga cannot

fall at 180 degrees.If shri Narasimha still brings in that logic to belittle

research works - he is doing so, without proper homework.Thus my remarks.

 

But still if it has hurt you or shri Narasimha - i can withdraw or even

apologize.

 

But in a similar fashion can you answer the queries being raised and accept your

mistake when proved wrong -reagrding Varga Charts,Moola/Mooladhara conenctions.

 

Thanks

 

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote:

>

>

> om gam gajavaktraaya namah

>

> Dear Pradeep, namaste

>

>

> "vijayadas_pradeep" vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

>

> "Else as in varga debate if you have already made your mind,there is no time

to waste.Please study facts before you make comments on works based on hardwork

and research.Else you are belittling yourself in front of Jyotishis.I honestly

do not wish that to happen to a person like Narasimha Rao who has contributed a

ton to contemporary Jyotish, through Software."

>

> I wish to lodge my strong protest at the personal and subjective remarks you

are making about Sri Narasimha. In my opinion, these kind of remarks do not

stand you in good stead. I request you to refrain from making such kind of

comments in ANY debate.

>

> regards

>

> Hari

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

Namaste,

But in a similar fashion can you answer the queries being raised and

accept your mistake when proved wrong -reagrding Varga

Charts,Moola/Mooladhara conenctions.

If Moolaadhaara is in Moola/ Dhanus as you and Sri. Hari profess, where

are the other chakras placed? Could you please provide a complete list?

warm regards,

Vishnu

-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha

[Guest guest]

Dear Vishnu,

 

Good question!

 

If one claims that Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha is in Moola nakshatram (240

to 253.333 deg in zodiac, i.e. in Sg), it will be interesting to know where

they place other six major chakras!

 

I will give MY view:

 

(1) Sahasrara chakra of Kalapurusha is in Ar (1st house of the natural zodiac, i.e. siras/head top).

(2) Ajna chakra of Kalapurusha is in Ta (2nd house of the natural zodiac, i.e. face/forehead/eyes).

(3) Visuddhi chakra of Kalapurusha is in Ge (3rd house of the natural zodiac,

i.e. throat/upper chest).

(4) Anahata chakra of Kalapurusha is in Cn (4th house of the natural zodiac, i.e. heart).

(5) Manipoora chakra of Kalapurusha is in Le (5th house of the natural zodiac, i.e. stomach).

(6) Swadhishthana chakra of Kalapurusha is in Vi (6th house of the natural

zodiac, i.e. kati or hip level).

(7) Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha is in Li (7th house of the natural zodiac,

i.e. vasti or the sac that contains colon etc).

 

Kundalini travels in anti-zodiacal direction from Mooladhara to Sahasrara, likes nodes.

 

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> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Pradeep,> > Namaste,> > > > > But in a similar

fashion can you answer the queries being raised and> > accept your mistake when

proved wrong -reagrding Varga> > Charts,Moola/Mooladhara conenctions.> > > If

Moolaadhaara is in Moola/ Dhanus as you and Sri. Hari profess, where are> the

other chakras placed? Could you please provide a complete list?> > warm

regards,> Vishnu> > > > > --> Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram> vyaptam yena charaa

charam> tatpadam darsita yena> tasmai sri gurave namaha>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Pradeep,

 

Namaste,

1)As per Tantra,from where to where is Merudandam.It is from Aries to Vrischikam.Do you disagree.

 

Which tantra is this?

 

Now as per Rashi/Anga description - Scorpio is Linga Pradesham.Dhanu is Ooru or

thigh.As per the above shloka Mooladhara is between Guda and Linga.

If we check human anatomy we can see how Guda/Linga/Thighs are having a common

boundary.Thus where does the spinal axis ends and where is Mooladharam.Is this

so difficult to understand.

 

 

Please explain in these scenario,

1) Let us say some person XYZ is seated in "sukha asana"

where is mooladhaara?

2) Same XYZ now changes to "Siddhasana", going by your

theory of common boundary where should he/ she palce his/her heel(right or

left) to touch moolaadhaara?

 

Now what is this 180 degrees - It is boundary between Kanni and Thula.What do

they represent?Do you really want to place Mooladhara there.Can you ckeck with

a any anatomy lecturer where does spinal axis ends?

 

Hmm.. where "exactly" does the spinal axis end?

Moola nakshathra is 240 degrees.Border between scorpio and Dhanu.Moola is Mrityu

and Mrityunjaya.Dhanu is travelling through Shmashana.Moola is ruled by

Pithris.Moola is Mahakala.

 

Dhanus is travelling oven Smasaana ??? What is this? Please elaborate.

Yama is Mrityunjaya too, why not Bharani ? BTW, according to a book I have

Pithris also rule over Makha, why not Makha?

Chandra hari did not ''assume'' a connection between Mooldharam and Moolam as

you have said.He did not give any vague philosophy.It has Pramana and clear

rational.

 

Please provide his research articles as published in journals!

warm regards,

Vishnu

[Guest guest]

Dear Hari Namaste

 

* There was a cause that had effected as remarks.Pramana for the position of

Mooladhara was provided - Shloka from Shadchakra Niroopana. Thus still if we say

''to me Mooladhara is at 180 degrees'' -which is no where near to lingapradesham

or Guda - the person is not commenting, proportional to his stature.

 

* Regarding second bullet,i respect your sincere opinion.Me too is not eleigible

to talk on chakras,if realization part is taken into account.But if classical

quoataions are available and basic knowldege of anatomy is present,one can very

well counter mis representations.I hope you do agree.

 

Thanks

 

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote:

>

>

> om gam gajavaktraaya namah

>

> Dear Pradeep, namaste

>

> * Please do not try to justify your remarks.

>

> * As for engaging in a debate with you (and be proved wrong / accept my

mistake as you would like to), I am sorry that I do not wish to do so. One

reason is that I have not understood the role of chakras fully and unless I

reach the requisite level of understanding or interact with / learn from someone

who has had realization of these phenomena, it is pointless of me to talk about

such concepts as the link between Moola nakshatra and Mooladhara chakra.

>

> best regards

>

> Hari

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Hari Namaste

> >

> > I was forced to make such remarks.Time spent on debates do have value.Shri

Narasimha had enagaged with me on lenghty debates.Despite of answering all his

queries,he is ignoring the outcome.

> >

> > Now similarly,i had even sent a link and had discussed location of

mooladhara in the past.Sreenadh had given shloka.It was very clear that Guda and

Linga cannot fall at 180 degrees.If shri Narasimha still brings in that logic to

belittle research works - he is doing so, without proper homework.Thus my

remarks.

> >

> > But still if it has hurt you or shri Narasimha - i can withdraw or even

apologize.

> >

> > But in a similar fashion can you answer the queries being raised and accept

your mistake when proved wrong -reagrding Varga Charts,Moola/Mooladhara

conenctions.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" achyutagaddi@g... wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > om gam gajavaktraaya namah

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep, namaste

> > >

> > >

> > > "vijayadas_pradeep" vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > "Else as in varga debate if you have already made your mind,there is no

time to waste.Please study facts before you make comments on works based on

hardwork and research.Else you are belittling yourself in front of Jyotishis.I

honestly do not wish that to happen to a person like Narasimha Rao who has

contributed a ton to contemporary Jyotish, through Software."

> > >

> > > I wish to lodge my strong protest at the personal and subjective remarks

you are making about Sri Narasimha. In my opinion, these kind of remarks do not

stand you in good stead. I request you to refrain from making such kind of

comments in ANY debate.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Hari

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear shri Vishnu

 

Thanks for raising this educative query.I will try to study them.Shri

Chandrahari is on tour and my knowledge on Tantras and Chakras are elementary.

 

In the mean time you can read the pdf -Yoga Principles Underlying Indian

Astronomy - from the files section.

Pls Read point 6.Kalapurusha engaged in Pranayama.(From the heart to the

beginning of breath are placed 6 rashis over an extent of 6 angulas).

 

But if you read or study anything on mooladhara - you will never again speak of

180 degrees.

 

For instance kindly check this link and see the placement of Mooladhara and

relate this with Rashi/Limb defintion of Parashara.

 

http://www.kheper.net/topics/chakras/chakras-Shakta.htm

 

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu@g...> wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Namaste,

>

>

>

> > But in a similar fashion can you answer the queries being raised and

> > accept your mistake when proved wrong -reagrding Varga

> > Charts,Moola/Mooladhara conenctions.

>

>

> If Moolaadhaara is in Moola/ Dhanus as you and Sri. Hari profess, where are

> the other chakras placed? Could you please provide a complete list?

>

> warm regards,

> Vishnu

>

>

>

>

> --

> Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram

> vyaptam yena charaa charam

> tatpadam darsita yena

> tasmai sri gurave namaha

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Pradeep,

Namaste,

Thanks for raising this educative query.I will try to study them.Shri

Chandrahari is on tour and my knowledge on Tantras and Chakras are

elementary.

Ok, please do forward my query to Sri. Hari. I will wait until I can hear back

from him(through you?).

In the mean time you can read the pdf -Yoga Principles Underlying Indian

Astronomy - from the files section.

Pls Read point 6.Kalapurusha engaged in Pranayama.(From the heart to

the beginning of breath are placed 6 rashis over an extent of 6

angulas).

Thank you, are they research as published in journals or your

understanding? If they are your undestanding, I insist on papers

as published in journals.

warm regards,

Vishnu

-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Pradeep,

Namaste,

Tantra is a Branch of Knowledge.

I am aware tantra is a branch of knowledge. Please mention tantra

reference which EXPLICITLY says "Merudanda runs from Mesha to

Vrischika".

Becasue

of Yogasana positions will your eyes or nose shift its position?.So why

do you expect Mooladhara to shift.

What is this? Did I explicitly mention "chakras shift"? Please do me a

favour and "don't read between lines", "don't imagine things" and

"don't expect things". If I want to convey something I will state it

expilictly and expect the same from you.If it was to express your Yoga

knowledge ,i am not competent enough.

No, my knowledge or practise of yoga is next to zero, please

refrain from this "potshot" philosophy. If you cannot write your posts

without overt or covert animosity/intolerance I will have to disengage.

Pls go through the link showing anatomy of Spine.After the end you can see the

sacrum bone which is bordering thighs.

http://www.scoi.com/spinanat.htm

Sacrum??? Sacrum bone is the end/ tip of spinal axis??? Sacrum bone

borders thighs??? Please do me a favour, search/ google for "coccyx" in

the human anatomy. Please follow the link below, you will see an

animation of the lower portion and you can conclude for yourself where

really spinal axis ends! I am also attaching some images for your

further perusal.

http://www.coccyx.org/whatisit/normal.htm

Coccyx, is located right over the anal opening(Guda sthana) also please

notice the curvature of coccyx and notice how brilliantly things fall

into place. This is the area that is touched with the heel both in

Siddhasana and Vajraasana. BTW, some insist on touching the

moolaadhaara and some dont in the mentioned asanas. If you insist,

Sacrum is the Moooladhaara, I must ask you how are you going

touch(physically) something "inside" your body?

I have attached an image "Colonne_sacrum.jpg", in this image you will

see a "smiling face" like image at the lower right corner. This is

"right lateral view" of the whole assembly of Sacrum and Coccyx. It is

very interesting! It really gives the impression that "sookshma deha"

is in sleep with a "chiru manda haasa". Trust you will atleast enjoy

the image, whether you agree or not!

> > Moola nakshathra is 240 degrees.Border between scorpio and Dhanu.Moola is>

> Mrityu and Mrityunjaya.Dhanu is travelling through Shmashana.Moola is> >

ruled by Pithris.Moola is Mahakala.> > > Dhanus is travelling oven Smasaana ???

What is this? Please elaborate.

Read about Moola nakshathra and what it signifies.Also about Dhanu and Yudha Bhoomi.

Hmmm...you said "Dhanus is travelling through Smasaana" and now you say "Dhanus

is Yudha Bhoomi", what next?

> Yama is Mrityunjaya too, why not Bharani ? BTW, according to a book I have

> Pithris also rule over Makha, why not Makha?Classical definition of Mooladhara

cannot be in sync,then.

Please share "your" classical definition.

Please read the pdfs present under files section.

I will, thank you.

warm regards,

Vishnu-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita

yena tasmai sri gurave namah

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Prashant,

 

Namaste,

As I understand the paper "Yoga Principles underlying Indian Astronomy had

appeared in the annual 2004/2005 issue of the astrological magazine.

 

Ok, thank you.

A number of other files are also uploaded in this group which gives reasonably

good information about his work. As I understand Chandra Hari's works carry all

necessary quotations from ancient works and it does not need a stamp of

authority from a magazine editor and its publications.

> Thank you, are they research as published in journals or your> understanding?

If they are your undestanding, I insist on papers as

> published in journals.

 

Please don't twist my words. I had said "if they are your understanding", where

is the necessity for all this "stamp of authority" talk?

 

He is an authority on the subject and his papers appeared in Indian Journal of

History of Science after refuting pages of referee observations that tried to

maintain the validity of CRC report.

What is the intended meaning of this? Because he "refuted pages of refree

observations" just accept whatever Sri.Chandra Hari has written?

 

Let his works withstand the rigours of public scrutiny. If indeed his works are

"original and path breaking", trust me they will withstand.

 

warm regards,

Vishnu-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita

yena tasmai sri gurave namah

[Guest guest]

Namaste Prashant,

 

> Regarding Chakras and their locations, they can be known

> by experience thru appropriate Sadhana. Such occult secrets

> are not shared in public or published in Journals as such acts

> are prohibited and oaths are taken at the time of initiation

> that the divine teachings shall not be divulged to the uninitiated.

 

What happened to this "occult secrets are not shared in public" thing when you

guys talked about the Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha being in Moola

nakshatra??? That was is an important axiom used by the supporters of Chandra

Hari ayanamsa!

 

Having raised the issue of Mooladhara chakra of Kala Purusha in Moola, I sure

hope you have a consistent assignment of other chakras to various

nakshatras/rasis!

 

Please note that I am not asking you to "divulge" to me how to open various

chakras or how to make Kundalini rise to various chakras. I am also not asking

you to "divulge" the sights you see and the sounds you hear when Kundalini is

at various chakras. You can walk away after a lecture on secrecy if I ask such

things. I am only asking you to complete the chakra-to-nakshtra map that YOU

started giving!

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

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> Dear Vishnu, > > Chandra Hari has presented in his works the tantra rationale

that forms the basis of Jyotisha and by which the micro_macro cosmic

equivalence is abstracted in terms of mathematical astronomy to (ancient

ganita) divine the future. > > Regarding Chakras and their locations, they can

be known by experience thru appropriate Sadhana. Such occult secrets are not

shared in public or published in Journals as such acts are prohibited and oaths

are taken at the time of initiation that the divine teachings shall not be

divulged to the uninitiated. Tantra is a discipline that deals with power and

so one has to be very careful in learning from the right Gurus and teaching the

things to the right disciples. > > To express a general fact, Siddhas cannot

shed their body without transferring their wisdom to the right disciple and so

they roam around to find a good disciple. In Tantra precepts, a disciple cannot

decide as to who is the right Guru - instead the Guru looks for a right disciple

to whom his Siddhis and Vidyas may be imparted. > > So to know the Chakra

locations - to feel it one has to make really serious efforts. Muladhara is

something that can be experienced and when it opens up and one shall gain real

knowledge only at that time. > > Prashant> > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu@g...> wrote:> >> >

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > Namaste,> > > > > > > > >

But in a similar fashion can you answer the queries being raised and> > >

accept your mistake when proved wrong -reagrding Varga> > >

Charts,Moola/Mooladhara conenctions.> > > > > > If Moolaadhaara is in Moola/

Dhanus as you and Sri. Hari profess, where are> > the other chakras placed?

Could you please provide a complete list?> > > > warm regards,> > Vishnu> > > >

> > > > > > --> > Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram> > vyaptam yena charaa charam> >

tatpadam darsita yena> > tasmai sri gurave namaha> >>

[Guest guest]

|||AUM namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya|||

 

Following this thread so far, it seems to me that the dis-agreement is

in what is mooladhara and where approximately is it situated?

 

Vishnu ji: You said 'vajrasana' and 'siddhasana' can be used to touch

the mooladhara with the heel. Can you depict or point to a pic of

'your version' of those two asanas? And how the heels touch 'your

definition' of mooladhara i.e 2 inches above anus?

 

To my limited understanding ...

In Siddhasana the heel presses the perineum (stimulating the

mooladhara chakra). And perineum is between genitals and anus and NOT

above anus

In Vajrasana the heels touch the sides of the buttocks and don't touch

any version of mooladhara. For this reason in Vajrasana based kriyas

'moolabandha' is done by consciously pulling-in the muscles in anal region

 

Both camps: Can you please furnish reference quotes from famous Tantra

or Yogic texts for the eager list members like myself understand your

respective versions of 'mooladhara' and its location in anatomy and

thus in the rAsi chakra.

 

regards

-Prasad

 

vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala

<jvishnu@g...> wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Sri Pradeep,

>

> Namaste,

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Tantra is a Branch of Knowledge.

>

>

> I am aware tantra is a branch of knowledge. Please mention tantra

reference

> which EXPLICITLY says "Merudanda runs from Mesha to Vrischika".

>

>

> >

> > Becasue of Yogasana positions will your eyes or nose shift its

> > position?.So why do you expect Mooladhara to shift.

>

>

> What is this? Did I explicitly mention "chakras shift"? Please do me a

> favour and "don't read between lines", "don't imagine things" and "don't

> expect things". If I want to convey something I will state it

expilictly and

> expect the same from you.

>

> If it was to express your Yoga knowledge ,i am not competent enough.

>

>

>

> No, my knowledge or practise of yoga is next to zero, please

refrain from

> this "potshot" philosophy. If you cannot write your posts without

overt or

> covert animosity/intolerance I will have to disengage.

>

>

> > Pls go through the link showing anatomy of Spine.After the end you

can see

> > the sacrum bone which is bordering thighs.

> >

> > http://www.scoi.com/spinanat.htm

>

>

> Sacrum??? Sacrum bone is the end/ tip of spinal axis??? Sacrum bone

borders

> thighs??? Please do me a favour, search/ google for "coccyx" in the

human

> anatomy. Please follow the link below, you will see an animation of the

> lower portion and you can conclude for yourself where really spinal axis

> ends! I am also attaching some images for your further perusal.

>

> http://www.coccyx.org/whatisit/normal.htm

>

> Coccyx, is located right over the anal opening(Guda sthana) also please

> notice the curvature of coccyx and notice how brilliantly things

fall into

> place. This is the area that is touched with the heel both in

Siddhasana and

> Vajraasana. BTW, some insist on touching the moolaadhaara and some

dont in

> the mentioned asanas. If you insist, Sacrum is the Moooladhaara, I

must ask

> you how are you going touch(physically) something "inside" your body?

>

> I have attached an image "Colonne_sacrum.jpg", in this image you

will see a

> "smiling face" like image at the lower right corner. This is "right

lateral

> view" of the whole assembly of Sacrum and Coccyx. It is very

interesting! It

> really gives the impression that "sookshma deha" is in sleep with a

"chiru

> manda haasa". Trust you will atleast enjoy the image, whether you

agree or

> not!

>

>

> >

> > > Moola nakshathra is 240 degrees.Border between scorpio and

Dhanu.Moolais

> > > > Mrityu and Mrityunjaya.Dhanu is travelling through

Shmashana.Moola is

> > > > ruled by Pithris.Moola is Mahakala.

> > >

> > >

> > > Dhanus is travelling oven Smasaana ??? What is this? Please

elaborate.

> >

> > Read about Moola nakshathra and what it signifies.Also about Dhanu and

> > Yudha Bhoomi.

>

>

> Hmmm...you said "Dhanus is travelling through Smasaana" and now you say

> "Dhanus is Yudha Bhoomi", what next?

>

>

> > Yama is Mrityunjaya too, why not Bharani ? BTW, according to a

book I have

> > > Pithris also rule over Makha, why not Makha?

> >

> > Classical definition of Mooladhara cannot be in sync,then.

>

>

> Please share "your" classical definition.

>

>

>

> > Please read the pdfs present under files section.

> >

> >

> I will, thank you.

>

> warm regards,

> Vishnu

>

> --

> Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram

> vyaptam yena charaa charam

> tatpadam darsita yena

> tasmai sri gurave namah

>