Brief Account of Chandra Hari Ayanamsa - Rationale of Zodiac

[Guest guest]

Namaste friends,

 

Unfortunately, I don't have the time and energy to engage the supporters of

Chandra Hari ayanamsa in a detailed debate. However, after having gone through

all the material sent by Chandra Hari and his followers, I have a couple of

things to say. Even if my advice helps one person, my purpose will be served.

That is why I am speaking out.

 

Chandra Hari talks of Yogic breathing and what not. All that is fine, but it

does not prove his ayanamsa. For example, zodiac has 21,600 minutes

irrespective of where the zodiac starts. Thus, a long exposition on the

significance of 21,600, breahting and Sun does not prove any ayanamsa.

 

Though he gives long-winding Yogic/Tantric discourses, a discering reader will

find all of them irrelevant, as far as proving his ayanamsa is concerned.

Though umpteen arguments are given by him, his proof finally boils down to JUST

ONE AXIOM - Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha is in Moola nakshatram.

 

In my view, this crucial axiom of Chandra Hari does not stand a reasonable

scrutiny. Mooladhara chakram is in the middle of the body and not in thighs or

the 9th house. Kala purusha's lagna is at 0 deg Aries. The 240 deg point is the

9th house point. It is unacceptable to place Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha

at 240 deg point. I cannot help but think that the fact that the nakshatra

starting at that longitude is called Moola, i.e. similarity of names, must have

misled Chandra Hari into placing Mooladhara chakram there!

 

There are fourteen worlds that Vedic scriptures talk about. In advaitic theory,

they all exist within us. Normally in tradition, we take 7 upper worlds to be

in the invisible half of the zodiac and 7 lower worlds to be in the visible

half of the zodiac. The upper 7 worlds correspond to the 7 chakras from

Mooladhara to Sahasrara. Mooladhara chakra corresponds to Bhoo Loka and should

be in the house of desire, i.e. 7th house. Sahasrara chakra corresponds to

Satya Loka and should be in the 1st house. Other chakras are in 1st-7th houses.

 

In my view, Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha is at 180 deg and Sahasrara

chakram is at 0 deg. Thus, Lahiri (Chitrapaksha) ayanamsa is the ayanamsa that

is based on fixing the Mooladhara chakram and not Chandra Hari's ayanamsa as

claimed by him.

Even from the point of view of mapping houses to body parts, the 7th house

corresponds to the vasti/basti (the sac that contains intestines and colon)

area. That is where Mooladhara chakram is placed. If someone places Mooladhara

chakram in the 8th house, I can atleast appreciate it (even though I will still

disagree), as the 8th house is supposed to show private parts. Though Mooladhara

chakram is not in private parts, it is atleast in their vicinity. But placing

Mooladhara chakram in the 9th house is outright rejectable.

 

I am afraid Chandra Hari is biased because of the name of the nakshatra (Moola),

convinced himself that that must be the Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha and

then built his theory around that wrong assumption. Even the explanations of

events given in his examples such as Tagore are totally unconvincing. Though he

and his supporters claim that his explanations are simple and those of the

Lahiri ayanamsa supporters are convolouted, I see it the other way around. For

example, he thinks that lagna lord is a better candidate to take one abroad

than the 12th lord, just because of placement in a watery sign. We all know

which houses take one abroad and which houses keep one in motherland.

 

Unfortunately, every intelligent person who comes up with some theory or the

other about a fundamental question of astrology, such as ayanamsa, will

naturally attract a lot of followers. It is obvious that there are several

strong followers of Chandra Hari ayanamsa on this list. They are quite

aggressive in dismissing other people and sometimes they even ridicule the

views of other schools in various matters. They seem to think that other people

are using a wrong ayanamsa and hence whatever they do is based on wrong

calculations and hence nonsense. They seem to have quite strong views on

divisional charts etc too. We cannot change them.

 

But, FOR THOSE WHO CARE FOR MY VIEWS, I will give my final judgment after

perusing all the material kindly sent to me by Chandra Hari and his followers.

My judgment is that one is better off ignoring Chandra Hari ayanamsa. The

correct ayanamsa is between Lahiri ayanamsa and Krishnamoorthy ayanamsa. In my

judgment, Chandra Hari ayanamsa is way off.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have the time and energy to engage any supporters of

Chandra Hari ayanamsa if they respond to my mail. I will have to ignore. The

purpose of this mail is to guide those who want my guidance on this issue.

Though I was sent some material by Chandra Hari's followers long back, I have

waited till I read the literature and formed the final views.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

-------------------------------

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

-------------------------------

> I. Conceptual and philosophical Basis>> >>1. "Prana" the cosmic essence of

vitality operating in Jeeva follow the law of equivalence of microcosm and

macrocosm. Yoga darsana and Vedanta consisting of the Upanishads extoll the

virtues of Pranas in different names like "Prajapati". >> >>2. The law of

equivalence in the earthly biosphere, manifests as the correlation between

Prana or Prana_Surya and Surya or the Cosmic Prana. The astronomical phenomenon

involved was abtracted as the wheel of Time. Proof for this is the Rshi_vakyas

like "Pranenaiti kalam bhu: = Earth rotates by one kala in a prana. Accordingly

we can see 21600 kalas constituting the diurnal rotation arc. >> >>3.

Jyotihsastra at the subtle level is indicative of the biocosmic rhythms as

encrypted in the mysterious power Kundalini which is in sleep at Muladharam at

the base of the cerebro_spinal axis. At a more sthoola dimension, Kundalini

power has its manifestation as Karma - it transforms the Space_Time to a Karmic

Space where the Samsara Chakra operates as per the law of Karma. >> >>4.

Jyotihsastra is not just mathematics. Kalapurusha is the macrocosmic living

being, Maha Yogi, who is experienceble to the Yogi in microcosm. This in fact

was the need for the creation of Jyotishchakra.It was to express such

experience that Siddha's invented techniques like Sexagesimal system and

Decimal system of notation and the spherical geometry. >> >>5. Beauty of the

Siddha discovery may be understood from the fact that the Crux of the

correlation is Muladharam which corresponds to the Mula nakshtra (Lambda

Scorpii) in the sky. Mula thus became Mahakala Lingam and Mahakala Yoni - the

eternal couple who sustains Prana. That is how Linga came to be worshipped all

over from the Omphalos temple at lace>Cretelace> islands to Prag_Jyotishapura

(Kamakhya) in the West. >> >>This is the background of Chandra Hari's works

that gives an ayanamsa of 43'35" more than Chitrapaksha. >>> >II. Important

milestomes: >> >>1. Release of Rasichakram in Malayalam in 1996>>> >2. True

Rationale of Suryasiddhanta published in INSA journal mathematically proved

that the original zodiac of Suryasiddhanta was Muladhara and the epoch was

AD231, Chaitradi that coincided with Meshadi. No Siddhantic work of

Varahamihira's time AD 500 had an epoch where Chaitradi coincided with Meshadi.

>>> >3. A number of other papers on Indian Astronomy - published the largest

number of numbers in Indian Jo. of History of Science during 1997 to 2003 and

also disproved some papers by the veterans. >> >>4. The scientists involved

with INSA, and its journal IJHS - the referees who judge suitability for

publication could not deny Chandra Hari's work on Suryasiddhanta and thus any

claim on the basis of Calendar Reform Committee report as supporting

Chitrapaksha is superfluous. Chandra Hari's work "Hindu Zodiac" totally refutes

the CRC report. >>> >5. Chitrapaskha offers – (a) No rationale for the Zodiac

(b) no operational proof © no underlying energy (d) no idea as to why Chitra

has to be 180 and why not Sravishtha or Magha? (e) An arbitrary selection

forwarded by a scientist and the Chitra concept evolved by the westward

regression and obsolescence of the Suryasiddhanta zero point in 2000 years to

match Chitra's opposite point in 1890 AD. So it gave a convenient

transformation of modern longitudes to somewhat comparable values of Indian

Panchangas in 1890 AD. Original founder of this method and ayanamsa is Sri

Kelkar of Ketakeeya Ganitam and he did his work decades before Lahiri. >>> >6.

Latest works which explains "Time Structure of Breathing" anticipates the modern

biological discovery of the same. Chronobiology is yet to reach that stage.

Jyotisha and Yoga are all set to become the backbone of Psychoneuro_immunology

and it shall cease to be a pseudo science in the eyes of modern scientists

championing rationalism. >> >>III. Technical aspects in astrology. >> >>(a)

What is the impact of a lesser ayanamsa like Lahiri when the true ayanamsa is

higher? >> >>1. See the published Mrtyubhaga data by Lahiri followers. Many

Acharyas like Sri KN Rao and Agastya of AM fame had to alter the definition of

MB to some ludicrous notion even though it is the basic of astronomy as to what

"bhaga" is in Jyotihsastra. >> >>2. All erring examples of MB falls to the

right bhaga when the Chandra Hari ayanamsa is used. A document has been

released on this topic and mailed to known Gurus. >> >>3. See the sequence of

Vimsottari Dasa:>> >>Sun - Moon_Mars_Rahu_Jupiter_Saturn_Mercury_Ketu_Venuis:

>>What happens when a lesser ayanamsa is used which in most cases i.e all born

in Rahu, Guru, Bud, Sani and Sukra cause 1 year different in DAB. >>> >Ø

See that Rahu's last one year will be taken over by Guru and so for Rahu, Guru

will be blamed. Ex. Tagore horoscope – His death is credited to Guru instead of

Rahu_Mars. >>Ø Jupiter's one year will be taken over by Sani and so whatever

good that Guru may do at the end of his dasa will be claimed by Sani by some

invented justification. >>Ø Sani's one years will go to Budha – then the

last phase of evil of Sani is credited to Budha. >>Ø Budha's last one year

then goes to Ketu >>Ø Ketu's to Sukra >>> >It is this impact of the lesser

ayanamsa that played havoc with astrology and we are made to feel that ->>> >Ø

Vimsottari is failing.>>Ø Malefics have become benefics>>Ø Benefics

have become malefics >>Ø AS 1 year covered many antardasas (Ads) – every

individual is driven into confusion as to how a planet behaved while doing case

studies. >>Ø Pratyantardas and case studies shall doom everyone and shall

end up creating new theories >>Ø Chance has come to dominate Jyotisha and

so no Jyotishi is able to claim consistent performance – they are drifting from

technique to technique like ATP, Varga this way that way, Arudha and Dasa in

varga, dasa in Arudha, karana pravesam, Yoga pravesam and …endless. >>> >4. See

the Dasamsa. >>> >All Vargas below D12 has the rationale of Rasix N. RX9, RX7,

RX11etc are examples where 9, 7, 11 Parivrttis cause the Varga. There is no

justification to have an alternate rationale for Dasamsa. In fact the present

Dasamsa is a consequence of some research in D10 around 500 when true ayanamsa

was 03:20'. So the Longitude had one additional sign in Dasamsa. To make good

for this additional in Taurus_Dasamsa, the logic was invented to start the

Dasamsa from Makara. >>> >Well qualified people who can feel the relation

between astrological predictive logics and techniques and the underlying

mathematical rationales must understand the folly committed. D10 is something

like a "modern xyz kind" research taking place in AD500 around. >>> >IV.

Horoscope substantiation: >>> >1. E-mails create a lot of communication

gap and sometimes people won't understand the logic unless explained to their

mindset. So a few who have a strong bias may not realize the truth of ayanamsa

and for them always their pet notions will be correct. >>2. So my request

is to work on horoscopes with both ayanamsa, justify an event with all possible

logics – not to prove one's point – just put on slate all arguments for both in

such a way as to prove both true – then when we give a look at a number of

cases like that, a picture will emerge as to where the "truth of Jyotish shines

better". >>> >3. If we are genuine students of Jyotisha – if we think of us

as deserving to have the Siddha wisdom – first step must be to condemn Raman

Ayanamsa which serve the only purpose of maintaining a name. Dr. BV Raman had

used Lahiri ayanamsa in making his predictions and this can be brought out by

analysing some of his predictions based on individual horoscopes. >>> >4.

If someone is to play with the Grahas so unscrupulously – please take it from me

– it is just a question of time to exhaust the Punya – some reversely running

Karmic equation is destroying such people. >>> >5. Understand the absolute

nonsense polluting Jyotisha – Raman's ayanamsa differs by 02_10 and means a

number of years in Dasa at birth and Surya dasa will be replaced by Kuja and

similar replacement happens for bhuktis and the end result is a curse on people

to take Grahas and their karmic indications differently. People are being lured

into false jargon. Those who get swayed by such kind of Jyotisha are not worthy

of pursuing this Siddha wisdom. Raman ayanamsa must be an eye opener to us in

respect of our subjectivity and help us open our minds to sit down and have a

thorough study instead of repeating that I have 100 predictions with this and

that. >>> >6. We need to pray for saving our souls from the deceiving

subjectivity…leave the identity aside as one "following `this' and `that'" and

make a comparison of the conflicting ideas…>>> >lace>Omlace> sahanavavatu

sahanou bhunaktu, sahaveeryam karavavahai>>Tejasvinamavadheetamastu ma

vidvishavahai>>> >We need this spirit – it is bias that make us pitted against

each other. We are serving Paramaguru Siva and what is the need of spardha? >>>

>We need not be partisan. Our aim is not to promote any name or brand. We are

trying to find the true Jyotisha – the true form of Kalapurusha, Kalasakti –

true form of the greatest Tantrik Yantra "Mahakala" Yantra – the shape of

Cosmic Prana or Prajapati – the True Kundalini. >>> >> Not only Tagore's

horoscope any other when studied objectively with Lahiri and Chitrapaksha

ayanamsa, we shall have a feel of truth and I am sure that in due course the

Kundalini Devi Herself may become apparent to us when the true "mantra sphutas"

of Muladhara Chakra is used along with unadulterated claassical principles and

intelligent researches. Only the adept in mathematics and other sciences can

guide good research in Jyotisha. >>> >Requesting attention of all>>>

>Prashant>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Prashant,

I

am afraid that you have not read the brief carefully. Muladharam is not

an interpretation of the same as you make out to misguide the people.

It is clearly mentioned that a mathematical proof for the same had been

published in Ind. Jour. of Hist of Science, INSA, New Delhi. Those who

have seen Chandra Hari's works are aware that it was the mathematical

values that conveyed the fiduciary role of Mula.

Could you please post the research paper as was

published in above mentioned journal. Wonder why a paper of such

"original and path breaking" research with rich mathematical values was

not published in journals like ICARUS(International Journal of Solar

system studies), American Journal of Physics? BTW, what do you mean by

"mathematical values"?

warm regards,

Vishnu-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita

yena tasmai sri gurave namah

[Guest guest]

solid"> Namaste friends, Unfortunately, I don't have the time and energy to

engage the supporters of Chandra Hari ayanamsa in a detailed debate. However,

after having gone through all the material sent by Chandra Hari and his

followers, I have a couple of things to say. Even if my advice helps one

person, my purpose will be served. That is why I am speaking out. Chandra

Hari talks of Yogic breathing and what not. All that is fine, but it does not

prove his ayanamsa. For example, zodiac has 21,600 minutes irrespective of

where the zodiac starts. Thus, a long exposition on the significance of 21,600,

breahting and Sun does not prove any ayanamsa. Though he gives long-winding

Yogic/Tantric discourses, a discering reader will find all of them irrelevant,

as far as proving his ayanamsa is concerned. Though umpteen arguments are given

by him, his proof finally boils down to JUST ONE AXIOM - Mooladhara chakram of

Kala Purusha is in Moola nakshatram. In my view, this crucial axiom of

Chandra Hari does not stand a reasonable scrutiny. Mooladhara chakram is in the

middle of the body and not in thighs or the 9th house. Kala purusha's lagna is

at 0 deg Aries. The 240 deg point is the 9th house point. It is unacceptable to

place Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha at 240 deg point. I cannot help but

think that the fact that the nakshatra starting at that longitude is called

Moola, i.e. similarity of names, must have misled Chandra Hari into placing

Mooladhara chakram

there! There are fourteen worlds that Vedic scriptures talk about. In advaitic

theory, they all exist within us. Normally in tradition, we take 7 upper worlds

to be in the invisible half of the zodiac and 7 lower worlds to be in the

visible half of the zodiac. The upper 7 worlds correspond to the 7 chakras from

Mooladhara to Sahasrara. Mooladhara chakra corresponds to Bhoo Loka and should

be in the house of desire, i.e. 7th house. Sahasrara chakra corresponds to

Satya Loka and should be in the 1st house. Other chakras are in 1st-7th houses.

In my view, Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha is at 180 deg and Sahasrara

chakram is at 0 deg. Thus, Lahiri (Chitrapaksha) ayanamsa is the ayanamsa that

is based on fixing the Mooladhara chakram and not Chandra Hari's ayanamsa as

claimed by him. Even from the point of view of mapping houses to body parts,

the 7th house corresponds to the vasti/basti (the sac that contains intestines

and colon) area. That is where Mooladhara chakram is placed. If someone places

Mooladhara chakram in the 8th house, I can atleast appreciate it (even though I

will still disagree), as the 8th house is supposed to show private parts. Though

Mooladhara chakram is not in private parts, it is atleast in their vicinity. But

placing Mooladhara chakram in the 9th house is outright rejectable. I am

afraid Chandra Hari is biased because of the name of the nakshatra (Moola),

convinced himself that that must be the Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha and

then built his theory around that wrong assumption. Even the explanations of

events given in his examples such as Tagore are totally

unconvincing. Though he and his supporters claim that his explanations are

simple and those of the Lahiri ayanamsa supporters are convolouted, I see it

the other way around. For example, he thinks that lagna lord is a better

candidate to take one abroad than the 12th lord, just because of placement in a

watery sign. We all know which houses take one abroad and which houses keep one

in motherland. Unfortunately, every intelligent person who comes up with some

theory or the other about a fundamental question of astrology, such as ayanamsa,

will naturally attract a lot of followers. It is obvious that there are several

strong followers of Chandra Hari ayanamsa on this list. They are quite

aggressive in dismissing other people and sometimes they even ridicule the

views of other schools in various matters. They seem to think that other people

are using a wrong ayanamsa and hence whatever

they do is based on wrong calculations and hence nonsense. They seem to have

quite strong views on divisional charts etc too. We cannot change them. But,

FOR THOSE WHO CARE FOR MY VIEWS, I will give my final judgment after perusing

all the material kindly sent to me by Chandra Hari and his followers. My

judgment is that one is better off ignoring Chandra Hari ayanamsa. The correct

ayanamsa is between Lahiri ayanamsa and Krishnamoorthy ayanamsa. In my

judgment, Chandra Hari ayanamsa is way off. Unfortunately, I do not have the

time and energy to engage any supporters of Chandra Hari ayanamsa if they

respond to my mail. I will have to ignore. The purpose of this mail is to guide

those who want my guidance on this issue. Though I was sent some material by

Chandra Hari's followers long back, I have

waited till I read the literature and formed the final views. May Jupiter's

light shine on us, Narasimha

------------------------------- Free Jyotish

lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software

(Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org

------------------------------- > I.

Conceptual and philosophical Basis>> >>1. "Prana" the cosmic essence of

vitality operating in Jeeva follow the law of

equivalence of microcosm and macrocosm. Yoga darsana and Vedanta consisting of

the Upanishads extoll the virtues of Pranas in different names like

"Prajapati". >> >>2. The law of equivalence in the earthly biosphere, manifests

as the correlation between Prana or Prana_Surya and Surya or the Cosmic Prana.

The astronomical phenomenon involved was abtracted as the wheel of Time. Proof

for this is the Rshi_vakyas like "Pranenaiti kalam bhu: = Earth rotates by one

kala in a prana. Accordingly we can see 21600 kalas constituting the diurnal

rotation arc. >> >>3. Jyotihsastra at the subtle level is indicative of the

biocosmic rhythms as encrypted in the mysterious power Kundalini which is in

sleep at Muladharam at the base of the cerebro_spinal axis. At a more sthoola

dimension, Kundalini power has its manifestation as Karma - it transforms the

Space_Time to a Karmic Space where the Samsara Chakra operates as per the law

of Karma. >> >>4.

Jyotihsastra is not just mathematics. Kalapurusha is the macrocosmic living

being, Maha Yogi, who is experienceble to the Yogi in microcosm. This in fact

was the need for the creation of Jyotishchakra.It was to express such

experience that Siddha's invented techniques like Sexagesimal system and

Decimal system of notation and the spherical geometry. >> >>5. Beauty of the

Siddha discovery may be understood from the fact that the Crux of the

correlation is Muladharam which corresponds to the Mula nakshtra (Lambda

Scorpii) in the sky. Mula thus became Mahakala Lingam and Mahakala Yoni - the

eternal couple who sustains Prana. That is how Linga came to be worshipped all

over from the Omphalos temple at lace>Cretelace> islands to Prag_Jyotishapura

(Kamakhya) in the West. >> >>This is the background of Chandra Hari's works

that gives an ayanamsa of 43'35" more than Chitrapaksha. >>> >II. Important

milestomes: >> >>1. Release of

Rasichakram in Malayalam in 1996>>> >2. True Rationale of Suryasiddhanta

published in INSA journal mathematically proved that the original zodiac of

Suryasiddhanta was Muladhara and the epoch was AD231, Chaitradi that coincided

with Meshadi. No Siddhantic work of Varahamihira's time AD 500 had an epoch

where Chaitradi coincided with Meshadi. >>> >3. A number of other papers on

Indian Astronomy - published the largest number of numbers in Indian Jo. of

History of Science during 1997 to 2003 and also disproved some papers by the

veterans. >> >>4. The scientists involved with INSA, and its journal IJHS - the

referees who judge suitability for publication could not deny Chandra Hari's

work on Suryasiddhanta and thus any claim on the basis of Calendar Reform

Committee report as supporting Chitrapaksha is superfluous. Chandra Hari's work

"Hindu Zodiac" totally refutes the CRC report. >>> >5. Chitrapaskha offers –

(a) No rationale for

the Zodiac (b) no operational proof © no underlying energy (d) no idea as to

why Chitra has to be 180 and why not Sravishtha or Magha? (e) An arbitrary

selection forwarded by a scientist and the Chitra concept evolved by the

westward regression and obsolescence of the Suryasiddhanta zero point in 2000

years to match Chitra's opposite point in 1890 AD. So it gave a convenient

transformation of modern longitudes to somewhat comparable values of Indian

Panchangas in 1890 AD. Original founder of this method and ayanamsa is Sri

Kelkar of Ketakeeya Ganitam and he did his work decades before Lahiri. >>> >6.

Latest works which explains "Time Structure of Breathing" anticipates the modern

biological discovery of the same. Chronobiology is yet to reach that stage.

Jyotisha and Yoga are all set to become the backbone of Psychoneuro_immunology

and it shall cease to be a pseudo science in the eyes of modern scientists

championing rationalism. >> >>III.

Technical aspects in astrology. >> >>(a) What is the impact of a lesser ayanamsa

like Lahiri when the true ayanamsa is higher? >> >>1. See the published

Mrtyubhaga data by Lahiri followers. Many Acharyas like Sri KN Rao and Agastya

of AM fame had to alter the definition of MB to some ludicrous notion even

though it is the basic of astronomy as to what "bhaga" is in Jyotihsastra. >>

>>2. All erring examples of MB falls to the right bhaga when the Chandra Hari

ayanamsa is used. A document has been released on this topic and mailed to

known Gurus. >> >>3. See the sequence of Vimsottari Dasa:>> >>Sun -

Moon_Mars_Rahu_Jupiter_Saturn_Mercury_Ketu_Venuis: >>What happens when a lesser

ayanamsa is used which in most cases i.e all born in Rahu, Guru, Bud, Sani and

Sukra cause 1 year different in DAB. >>> >Ø See that Rahu's last one year

will be taken over by Guru and so for Rahu, Guru

will be blamed. Ex. Tagore horoscope – His death is credited to Guru instead of

Rahu_Mars. >>Ø Jupiter's one year will be taken over by Sani and so

whatever good that Guru may do at the end of his dasa will be claimed by Sani

by some invented justification. >>Ø Sani's one years will go to Budha –

then the last phase of evil of Sani is credited to Budha. >>Ø Budha's last

one year then goes to Ketu >>Ø Ketu's to Sukra >>> >It is this impact of

the lesser ayanamsa that played havoc with astrology and we are made to feel

that ->>> >Ø Vimsottari is failing.>>Ø Malefics have become

benefics>>Ø Benefics have become malefics >>Ø AS 1 year covered many

antardasas (Ads) – every individual is driven into confusion as to how a planet

behaved while doing case studies. >>Ø Pratyantardas and case studies shall

doom everyone and shall end up creating new theories >>Ø Chance has come to

dominate Jyotisha and so no Jyotishi is able to claim consistent performance –

they are drifting from technique to technique like ATP, Varga this way that

way, Arudha and Dasa in varga, dasa in Arudha, karana pravesam, Yoga pravesam

and …endless. >>> >4. See the Dasamsa. >>> >All Vargas below D12 has the

rationale of Rasix N. RX9, RX7, RX11etc are examples where 9, 7, 11 Parivrttis

cause the Varga. There is no justification to have an alternate rationale for

Dasamsa. In fact the present Dasamsa is a consequence of some research in D10

around 500 when true ayanamsa was 03:20'. So the Longitude had one additional

sign in Dasamsa. To make good for this additional in Taurus_Dasamsa, the logic

was invented to start the Dasamsa from Makara. >>>

>Well qualified people who can feel the relation between astrological predictive

logics and techniques and the underlying mathematical rationales must understand

the folly committed. D10 is something like a "modern xyz kind" research taking

place in AD500 around. >>> >IV. Horoscope substantiation: >>> >1. E-mails

create a lot of communication gap and sometimes people won't understand the

logic unless explained to their mindset. So a few who have a strong bias may

not realize the truth of ayanamsa and for them always their pet notions will be

correct. >>2. So my request is to work on horoscopes with both ayanamsa,

justify an event with all possible logics – not to prove one's point – just put

on slate all arguments for both in such a way as to prove both true – then when

we give a look at a number of cases like that, a picture will emerge as to

where the "truth of Jyotish shines better".

>>> >3. If we are genuine students of Jyotisha – if we think of us as

deserving to have the Siddha wisdom – first step must be to condemn Raman

Ayanamsa which serve the only purpose of maintaining a name. Dr. BV Raman had

used Lahiri ayanamsa in making his predictions and this can be brought out by

analysing some of his predictions based on individual horoscopes. >>> >4.

If someone is to play with the Grahas so unscrupulously – please take it from me

– it is just a question of time to exhaust the Punya – some reversely running

Karmic equation is destroying such people. >>> >5. Understand the absolute

nonsense polluting Jyotisha – Raman's ayanamsa differs by 02_10 and means a

number of years in Dasa at birth and Surya dasa will be replaced by Kuja and

similar replacement happens for bhuktis and the end result is a curse on people

to take Grahas and their

karmic indications differently. People are being lured into false jargon. Those

who get swayed by such kind of Jyotisha are not worthy of pursuing this Siddha

wisdom. Raman ayanamsa must be an eye opener to us in respect of our

subjectivity and help us open our minds to sit down and have a thorough study

instead of repeating that I have 100 predictions with this and that. >>> >6.

We need to pray for saving our souls from the deceiving subjectivity…leave the

identity aside as one "following `this' and `that'" and make a comparison of the

conflicting ideas…>>> >lace>Omlace> sahanavavatu sahanou bhunaktu, sahaveeryam

karavavahai>>Tejasvinamavadheetamastu ma vidvishavahai>>> >We need this spirit

– it is bias that make us pitted against each other. We are serving Paramaguru

Siva and what is the need of spardha? >>> >We need not be partisan. Our aim is

not to promote any name or brand. We are trying

to find the true Jyotisha – the true form of Kalapurusha, Kalasakti – true form

of the greatest Tantrik Yantra "Mahakala" Yantra – the shape of Cosmic Prana or

Prajapati – the True Kundalini. >>> >> Not only Tagore's horoscope any other

when studied objectively with Lahiri and Chitrapaksha ayanamsa, we shall have a

feel of truth and I am sure that in due course the Kundalini Devi Herself may

become apparent to us when the true "mantra sphutas" of Muladhara Chakra is

used along with unadulterated claassical principles and intelligent researches.

Only the adept in mathematics and other sciences can guide good research in

Jyotisha. >>> >Requesting attention of all>>> >Prashant>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>>

Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends Using Chandra Hari Ayanamsha,

Have you tried forwarding this to the Govt. of India?. They had

adopted the Lahiri Ayanamsha as the Standard as recommended by Lahiri

Committee. Maybe they will setup a committee to see the validity of the

proofs furnished by the your group. Till then maybe we all have to

follow either Lahiri (Chitrapaksha Ayanamsha) if one wants to follow a

standard or each can follow his/her own but these cannot be a matter of

public debate and try to convince all to change from Standards.

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

On 12/1/05, Prashant Nair <hinduzodiac > wrote:

Dear Sreenivasji, Why

can't you ask Sri Narasimha, as to whether he has received from Chandra

Hari the mathematical proof concerning the fiduciary role of Mula and a

complete refutation of the Dr. MN Saha _NC Lahiri recommendaton on

ayanamsa. I have received many docs that attests the

astro_mathematical, religio_cultural and horoscopic evidences that

supports Chandra Hari's value. You can also get those docs from chandra_hari18

.. Also, good discussions on Kalachakra dasa, Kunda_kriya, ATP can be obtained

for inquisitive minds. Please cross check with Sri Narasimhaji as to how he is

contesting the various docs received from chandra hari.

Prashant vedic astrology

, Sreenivas Desabhatla <sreenivasdesabhatla> wrote:>> May God blesses all.>

What Mr. PVR Rao wrote is 100% convincing and is accurate. So there is

no question of following Chandra Hari and his theory which is

micleading. His followers or Mr.Prashant has not given any calculation

, how they arrived at with 43 minutes 35 Seconds more than chitra

paksha Ayanamsa. Moola in Mooladhara is not one and the same. Hasta and

Hasthakshar is not one and the same.> If they want to prove that

a particular ayanamsa is correct they must be perfect in Astronomy.

They must prove with reference to Astronomy, how their's is correct.

Untill then No arguments. Please follow the advice of the Well learned

Gurus like PVR.> With Regards> Sreenivas Desabhatla> > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

pvr@c... wrote:> Namaste friends,

> >

Unfortunately, I don't have the time and energy to engage the

supporters of Chandra Hari ayanamsa in a detailed debate. However,

after having gone through all the material sent by Chandra Hari and his

followers, I have a couple of things to say. Even if my advice helps

one person, my purpose will be served. That is why I am speaking out.> >

Chandra Hari talks of Yogic breathing and what not. All that is fine,

but it does not prove his ayanamsa. For example, zodiac has 21,600

minutes irrespective of where the zodiac starts. Thus, a long

exposition on the significance of 21,600, breahting and Sun does not

prove any ayanamsa.> > Though he gives long-winding

Yogic/Tantric discourses, a discering reader will find all of them

irrelevant, as far as proving his ayanamsa is concerned. Though umpteen

arguments are given by him, his proof finally boils down to JUST ONE

AXIOM - Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha is in Moola nakshatram.> >

In my view, this crucial axiom of Chandra Hari does not stand a

reasonable scrutiny. Mooladhara chakram is in the middle of the body

and not in thighs or the 9th house. Kala purusha's lagna is at 0 deg

Aries. The 240 deg point is the 9th house point. It is unacceptable to

place Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha at 240 deg point. I cannot

help but think that the fact that the nakshatra starting at that

longitude is called Moola, i.e. similarity of names, must have misled

Chandra Hari into placing Mooladhara chakram there!> >

There are fourteen worlds that Vedic scriptures talk about. In advaitic

theory, they all exist within us. Normally in tradition, we take 7

upper worlds to be in the invisible half of the zodiac and 7 lower

worlds to be in the visible half of the zodiac. The upper 7 worlds

correspond to the 7 chakras from Mooladhara to Sahasrara. Mooladhara

chakra corresponds to Bhoo Loka and should be in the house of desire,

i.e. 7th house. Sahasrara chakra corresponds to Satya Loka and should

be in the 1st house. Other chakras are in 1st-7th houses.> >

In my view, Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha is at 180 deg and

Sahasrara chakram is at 0 deg. Thus, Lahiri (Chitrapaksha) ayanamsa is

the ayanamsa that is based on fixing the Mooladhara chakram and not

Chandra Hari's ayanamsa as claimed by him.> > Even from

the point of view of mapping houses to body parts, the 7th house

corresponds to the vasti/basti (the sac that contains intestines and

colon) area. That is where Mooladhara chakram is placed. If someone

places Mooladhara chakram in the 8th house, I can atleast appreciate it

(even though I will still disagree), as the 8th house is supposed to

show private parts. Though Mooladhara chakram is not in private parts,

it is atleast in their vicinity. But placing Mooladhara chakram in the

9th house is outright rejectable.> > I am afraid Chandra

Hari is biased because of the name of the nakshatra (Moola), convinced

himself that that must be the Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha and

then built his theory around that wrong assumption. Even the

explanations of events given in his examples such as Tagore are totally

unconvincing. Though he and his supporters claim that his explanations

are simple and those of the Lahiri ayanamsa supporters are convolouted,

I see it the other way around. For example, he thinks that lagna lord

is a better candidate to take one abroad than the 12th lord, just

because of placement in a watery sign. We all know which houses take

one abroad and which houses keep one in motherland.> >

Unfortunately, every intelligent person who comes up with some theory

or the other about a fundamental question of astrology, such as

ayanamsa, will naturally attract a lot of followers. It is obvious that

there are several strong followers of Chandra Hari ayanamsa on this

list. They are quite aggressive in dismissing other people and

sometimes they even ridicule the views of other schools in various

matters. They seem to think that other people are using a wrong

ayanamsa and hence whatever they do is based on wrong calculations and

hence nonsense. They seem to have quite strong views on divisional

charts etc too. We cannot change them.> > But, FOR THOSE

WHO CARE FOR MY VIEWS, I will give my final judgment after perusing all

the material kindly sent to me by Chandra Hari and his followers. My

judgment is that one is better off ignoring Chandra Hari ayanamsa. The

correct ayanamsa is between Lahiri ayanamsa and Krishnamoorthy

ayanamsa. In my judgment, Chandra Hari ayanamsa is way off.> >

Unfortunately, I do not have the time and energy to engage any

supporters of Chandra Hari ayanamsa if they respond to my mail. I will

have to ignore. The purpose of this mail is to guide those who want my

guidance on this issue. Though I was sent some material by Chandra

Hari's followers long back, I have waited till I read the literature

and formed the final views.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha>

-------------------------------> Free Jyotish

lessons (MP3):

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>

-------------------------------

> >

> I. Conceptual and philosophical Basis>> >>1. "Prana"

the cosmic essence of vitality operating in Jeeva follow the law of

equivalence of microcosm and macrocosm. Yoga darsana and Vedanta

consisting of the Upanishads extoll the virtues of Pranas in different

names like "Prajapati". >> >>2. The law of equivalence in

the earthly biosphere, manifests as the correlation between Prana or

Prana_Surya and Surya or the Cosmic Prana. The astronomical phenomenon

involved was abtracted as the wheel of Time. Proof for this is the

Rshi_vakyas like "Pranenaiti kalam bhu: = Earth rotates by one kala in

a prana. Accordingly we can see 21600 kalas constituting the diurnal

rotation arc. >> >>3. Jyotihsastra at the subtle level is

indicative of the biocosmic rhythms as encrypted in the mysterious

power Kundalini which is in sleep at Muladharam at the base of the

cerebro_spinal axis. At a more sthoola dimension, Kundalini power has

its manifestation as Karma - it transforms the Space_Time to a Karmic>

Space where the Samsara Chakra operates as per the law of Karma.

>> >>4. Jyotihsastra is not just mathematics. Kalapurusha

is the macrocosmic living being, Maha Yogi, who is experienceble to the

Yogi in microcosm. This in fact was the need for the creation of

Jyotishchakra.It was to express such experience that Siddha's invented

techniques like Sexagesimal system and Decimal system of notation and

the spherical geometry. >> >>5. Beauty of the Siddha

discovery may be understood from the fact that the Crux of the

correlation is Muladharam which corresponds to the Mula nakshtra

(Lambda Scorpii) in the sky. Mula thus became Mahakala Lingam and

Mahakala Yoni - the eternal couple who sustains Prana. That is how

Linga came to be worshipped all over from the Omphalos temple at

lace>Cretelace> islands to Prag_Jyotishapura (Kamakhya) in the

West. >> >>This is the background of Chandra Hari's works

that gives an ayanamsa of 43'35" more than Chitrapaksha. >>>

>II. Important milestomes: >> >>1.> Release of

Rasichakram in Malayalam in 1996>>> >2. True Rationale of

Suryasiddhanta published in INSA journal mathematically proved that the

original zodiac of Suryasiddhanta was Muladhara and the epoch was

AD231, Chaitradi that coincided with Meshadi. No Siddhantic work of

Varahamihira's time AD 500 had an epoch where Chaitradi coincided with

Meshadi. >>> >3. A number of other papers on Indian

Astronomy - published the largest number of numbers in Indian Jo. of

History of Science during 1997 to 2003 and also disproved some papers

by the veterans. >> >>4. The scientists involved with INSA,

and its journal IJHS - the referees who judge suitability for

publication could not deny Chandra Hari's work on Suryasiddhanta and

thus any claim on the basis of Calendar Reform Committee report as

supporting Chitrapaksha is superfluous. Chandra Hari's work "Hindu

Zodiac" totally refutes the CRC report. >>> >5.

Chitrapaskha offers � (a) No rationale for the Zodiac (b) no

operational proof © no> underlying energy (d) no idea as to

why Chitra has to be 180 and why not Sravishtha or Magha? (e) An

arbitrary selection forwarded by a scientist and the Chitra concept

evolved by the westward regression and obsolescence of the

Suryasiddhanta zero point in 2000 years to match Chitra's opposite

point in 1890 AD. So it gave a convenient transformation of modern

longitudes to somewhat comparable values of Indian Panchangas in 1890

AD. Original founder of this method and ayanamsa is Sri Kelkar of

Ketakeeya Ganitam and he did his work decades before Lahiri.

>>> >6. Latest works which explains "Time Structure of

Breathing" anticipates the modern biological discovery of the same.

Chronobiology is yet to reach that stage. Jyotisha and Yoga are all set

to become the backbone of Psychoneuro_immunology and it shall cease to

be a pseudo science in the eyes of modern scientists championing

rationalism. >> >>III. Technical aspects in astrology.

>> >>(a) What is the impact of a lesser ayanamsa>

like Lahiri when the true ayanamsa is higher? >> >>1. See

the published Mrtyubhaga data by Lahiri followers. Many Acharyas like

Sri KN Rao and Agastya of AM fame had to alter the definition of MB to

some ludicrous notion even though it is the basic of astronomy as to

what "bhaga" is in Jyotihsastra. >> >>2. All erring

examples of MB falls to the right bhaga when the Chandra Hari ayanamsa

is used. A document has been released on this topic and mailed to known

Gurus. >> >>3. See the sequence of Vimsottari Dasa> >>Sun -

Moon_Mars_Rahu_Jupiter_Saturn_Mercury_Ketu_Venuis:

>>What happens when a lesser ayanamsa is used which in most cases

i.e all born in Rahu, Guru, Bud, Sani and Sukra cause 1 year different

in DAB. >>> >� See that Rahu's last one year will be taken

over by Guru and so for Rahu, Guru will be blamed. Ex. Tagore horoscope

� His death is credited to Guru instead of Rahu_Mars. >>�

Jupiter's one year will be taken over by Sani and so whatever good that

Guru may do at> the end of his dasa will be claimed by Sani by

some invented justification. >>� Sani's one years will go to

Budha � then the last phase of evil of Sani is credited to Budha.

>>� Budha's last one year then goes to Ketu >>� Ketu's to

Sukra >>> >It is this impact of the lesser ayanamsa that

played havoc with astrology and we are made to feel that ->>>

>� Vimsottari is failing.>>� Malefics have become

benefics>>� Benefics have become malefics >>� AS 1 year

covered many antardasas (Ads) � every individual is driven into

confusion as to how a planet behaved while doing case studies.

>>� Pratyantardas and case studies shall doom everyone and shall

end up creating new theories >>� Chance has come to dominate

Jyotisha and so no Jyotishi is able to claim consistent performance �

they are drifting from technique to technique like ATP, Varga this way

that way, Arudha and Dasa in varga, dasa in Arudha, karana pravesam,

Yoga pravesam and �endless. >>> >4. See> the

Dasamsa. >>> >All Vargas below D12 has the rationale of

Rasix N. RX9, RX7, RX11etc are examples where 9, 7, 11 Parivrttis cause

the Varga. There is no justification to have an alternate rationale for

Dasamsa. In fact the present Dasamsa is a consequence of some research

in D10 around 500 when true ayanamsa was 03:20'. So the Longitude had

one additional sign in Dasamsa. To make good for this additional in

Taurus_Dasamsa, the logic was invented to start the Dasamsa from

Makara. >>> >Well qualified people who can feel the

relation between astrological predictive logics and techniques and the

underlying mathematical rationales must understand the folly committed.

D10 is something like a "modern xyz kind" research taking place in

AD500 around. >>> >IV. Horoscope substantiation:

>>> >1. E-mails create a lot of communication gap and

sometimes people won't understand the logic unless explained to their

mindset. So a few who have a strong bias may not realize the truth of

ayanamsa> and for them always their pet notions will be correct.

>>2. So my request is to work on horoscopes with both ayanamsa,

justify an event with all possible logics � not to prove one's point �

just put on slate all arguments for both in such a way as to prove both

true � then when we give a look at a number of cases like that, a

picture will emerge as to where the "truth of Jyotish shines better".

>>> >3. If we are genuine students of Jyotisha � if we

think of us as deserving to have the Siddha wisdom � first step must be

to condemn Raman Ayanamsa which serve the only purpose of maintaining a

name. Dr. BV Raman had used Lahiri ayanamsa in making his predictions

and this can be brought out by analysing some of his predictions based

on individual horoscopes. >>> >4. If someone is to play

with the Grahas so unscrupulously � please take it from me � it is just

a question of time to exhaust the Punya � some reversely running Karmic

equation is destroying such people. >>> >5.>

Understand the absolute nonsense polluting Jyotisha � Raman's ayanamsa

differs by 02_10 and means a number of years in Dasa at birth and Surya

dasa will be replaced by Kuja and similar replacement happens for

bhuktis and the end result is a curse on people to take Grahas and

their karmic indications differently. People are being lured into false

jargon. Those who get swayed by such kind of Jyotisha are not worthy of

pursuing this Siddha wisdom. Raman ayanamsa must be an eye opener to us

in respect of our subjectivity and help us open our minds to sit down

and have a thorough study instead of repeating that I have 100

predictions with this and that. >>> >6. We need to pray for

saving our souls from the deceiving subjectivity�leave the identity

aside as one "following `this' and `that'" and make a comparison of the

conflicting ideas�>>> >lace>Omlace> sahanavavatu

sahanou bhunaktu, sahaveeryam karavavahai>>Tejasvinamavadheetamastu ma

vidvishavahai>>> >We need this spirit � it>

is bias that make us pitted against each other. We are serving

Paramaguru Siva and what is the need of spardha? >>> >We

need not be partisan. Our aim is not to promote any name or brand. We

are trying to find the true Jyotisha � the true form of Kalapurusha,

Kalasakti � true form of the greatest Tantrik Yantra "Mahakala" Yantra

� the shape of Cosmic Prana or Prajapati � the True Kundalini.

>>> >> Not only Tagore's horoscope any other when

studied objectively with Lahiri and Chitrapaksha ayanamsa, we shall

have a feel of truth and I am sure that in due course the Kundalini

Devi Herself may become apparent to us when the true "mantra sphutas"

of Muladhara Chakra is used along with unadulterated claassical

principles and intelligent researches. Only the adept in mathematics

and other sciences can guide good research in Jyotisha. >>>

>Requesting attention of all>>> >Prashant>>>

>> >> > > >> >> >>> >> > > > Archives:

vedic astrology> > Group info:

vedic astrology/info.html

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam

Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > Astrology chart Astrology

reading Vedic astrology Divination tool > > >

> > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.> > To

from this group, send an email to:

> vedic astrology> > Your use of is

subject to the > > >

> > > > > > >

> Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Astrology chart

Astrology reading

Vedic astrology

Divination tool

 

 

Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

vedic astrology