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namaschandikaayai

 

Dear Kumar,

 

[ Please Note: I feel the birthtime should be pushed back by atleast

6 minutes, the time I am using for your information is 10:06]

 

We do use the natal chart to judge the Annual Tithi Pravesha chart.

The ATP chart for 2003 has Leo rising, which is in the 8th house

from your natal chart. This is not auspicious and generally shows

some kind of disappointment.

 

The Hora Lord is Saturn, which in your ATP, is in the 8th from your

natal moon forming kantaka shani which adds to the above mentioned

position of ATP lagna w.r.t Natal lagna!

 

Saturn is the 6th and 7th lord in the 11th house in Gemini, hence a

functional malefic, and the same Saturn happens to be the Lagna lord

in your natal chart. This is not a good indication and is a result

of ATP lagna in dusthana from Natal lagna.

 

Also, note that in ATP, Saturn is in A7 in Gemini [ also known as

Mithuna (Maithuna) the sign signifying sex & relationship and

symbolized by a couple in embrace], which is not good from the point

of view of relationship(s)! Further, Saturn, being the 5th and 6th

lord in Navamsa is in 7th house, showing some problems and

disppointment in relationship with the opposite sex during that year.

Most importantly, Saturn is the lord of Mrityu Pada (A8) in ATP

Rashi, which shows manifestation of disappointments and dejections.

 

Now, lets move to D24:

 

With the new time, we have Scorpio rising. With the old time, we had

Saggitarius rising, with 9th lord in lagna, and Saturn as lord of

AL, should have given you success in education, which did not happen!

 

With Scoroio rising, we have badhakesh Moon in Lagna, showing

disturbance in education. Usually when badhakesh interferes, the

reasons are not clear and inexplicable! This explains disturbance in

education. Further, note, that badhakesh is not really weak, as it

gets neechabhanga, with the position of Mars in kendra from Lagna

and Moon! So, this badhakesh is strong! Interestingly, it is the

Lagna lord giving strength to badhakesh, indicating, the native has

himself to blame, and in rasi chart, this Mars is in Marana Karaka

Sthana in the 7th house of relationships, in a sign ruled by Saturn,

the hora lord!

 

Next, we note that the 5th lord in Chaturvimsamsa is debilitated and

is forming a dur-yoga with the 8th lord Mercury, and in Marana

Karaka Sthana, all indicating the natives antipathy towards

education! This combination also happens to aspect the 12th from AL,

indicating loss of status or image, or simply put, failure. Look for

periods of Jupiter & Mercury, especially Mercury as it gives the

result of Jupiter.

 

Next, analyze hora lord, Saturn. For higher education, like

bachelors degree, consider the 9th house. Look at A9, to see success

or failure. Here A9 is in Pisces, with Jupiter as its lord, whose

avastha we have already examined, further, Saturn the hora lord is in

2nd from a AL, thereby ruining it!

 

Regarding your questions on raja yoga, please note that the same,

Mars is having a parivarthana with Rahu, this is definitely not

good! Further, Mars is also the badhakesh in rasi ATP. The raja

yoga, shows what your actions are, and what the native does, to

analyze the result, always use the Arudha! I gave a presentation on

this topic at the Boston Conference this year, which is available

free for download. Do consider listening to it.

 

Regards

-Narayan-

 

 

 

vedic astrology, kumar p

<to.learn.astrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> I am looking for help on analysis of a particular Annual Tithi

Pravesha

> Chart. The following is the discription of the same. Assume that

the birth

> time is of reasonable accuracy.

> Annual TP

>

> November 24, 2003

> Time: 0:55:41

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 80 E 27' 00", 16 N 18' 00"

> Guntur, India

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Subhanu - Karthika

> Tithi: Amavasya (Ra) (17.61% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)

> Nakshatra: Anuraadha (Sa) (86.99% left)

> Yoga: Atiganda (Mo) (58.14% left)

> Karana: Naga (Sa) (35.22% left)

> Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Le)

> Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Li)

> Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

>

> Sunrise: 6:19:07 (November 23)

> Sunset: 17:29:40 (November 23)

> Janma Ghatis: 46.5236

>

> Ayanamsa: 23-54-27.76

> Sidereal Time: 4:56:54

>

> +--------------+

> | |Ra |HL |SaR Gk |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Ma | |Md |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> | | |As Ju |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Ve |Su Mo |Ke |GL |

> | |Me AL | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> | |Ra Ke | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Ma HL | | |

> |AL | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | Siddhamsa | |

> |-----------| |-----------|

> |Me Ju | D-24 | |

> |Gk | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |As Su |Mo |SaR |Ve Md |

> |GL | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> During the year of the ATP(i.e the year following Nov 23rd 2003)

the native

> had a break in education. He is expected to complete his BTech in

that year

> but was not able to complete it, and completed it the following

year.

>

> Now the question is how can we explain the break in education just

by using

> the ATP alone. Is it because

>

> 1. Mars (4th Lord in Rasi) is in marana karaka sthana(7th) and

> 2. Jupiter, lagna and 4th lord is debilitated in D-24.

>

> What woud other positive points (given below) indicate? Wont they

play any

> role which indicate the chances for the break in education is very

less

>

> 1. Raja Yoga between Mars(Yogakaraka) and Jupiter(5th Lord) in

Rasi

> 2. The 4th House in rasi has Sun,Moon, Mercury (1st,12th,2nd

and 11th

> lords) is this a bad indication for 4th house?

> 3. Raja Yoga between Jupiter and Mercury in D-24(1st,4th,7th

and 10th

> lords)

>

> I would like to know if ATP alone explains the event. If not then

I shall

> post the birth details in the next mail.

> Thanks

> kumar P.

>

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namaschandikaayai

 

Dear Kumar,

 

Let me add a caveat here: The position of ATP Lagna in 8th from

Natal Lagna doesnt spell doom all the time! The 8th house also

signifies hard work and upaasana. Lets assume, if the ATP D24 lagna

had indeed been Saggitarius, with all its positive indication, it

would have given success after lot of hard work!

 

Please also note, that Saturn the hora lord is Retrograde having lot

of chesta bala, and in 6th from natal lagna, and in 12th in D24,

indicates that the native did work hard, but met with failure!

 

Incidentally, the trouble maker, Mercury in D24 is also lord of A7

in ATP rashi, and in 6th house in ATP Navamsa!

 

Regards

-Narayan-

 

 

vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer"

<jaimini.upadesa@g...> wrote:

>

> namaschandikaayai

>

> Dear Kumar,

>

> [ Please Note: I feel the birthtime should be pushed back by

atleast

> 6 minutes, the time I am using for your information is 10:06]

>

> We do use the natal chart to judge the Annual Tithi Pravesha

chart.

> The ATP chart for 2003 has Leo rising, which is in the 8th house

> from your natal chart. This is not auspicious and generally shows

> some kind of disappointment.

>

> The Hora Lord is Saturn, which in your ATP, is in the 8th from

your

> natal moon forming kantaka shani which adds to the above mentioned

> position of ATP lagna w.r.t Natal lagna!

>

> Saturn is the 6th and 7th lord in the 11th house in Gemini, hence

a

> functional malefic, and the same Saturn happens to be the Lagna

lord

> in your natal chart. This is not a good indication and is a result

> of ATP lagna in dusthana from Natal lagna.

>

> Also, note that in ATP, Saturn is in A7 in Gemini [ also known as

> Mithuna (Maithuna) the sign signifying sex & relationship and

> symbolized by a couple in embrace], which is not good from the

point

> of view of relationship(s)! Further, Saturn, being the 5th and 6th

> lord in Navamsa is in 7th house, showing some problems and

> disppointment in relationship with the opposite sex during that

year.

> Most importantly, Saturn is the lord of Mrityu Pada (A8) in ATP

> Rashi, which shows manifestation of disappointments and dejections.

>

> Now, lets move to D24:

>

> With the new time, we have Scorpio rising. With the old time, we

had

> Saggitarius rising, with 9th lord in lagna, and Saturn as lord of

> AL, should have given you success in education, which did not

happen!

>

> With Scoroio rising, we have badhakesh Moon in Lagna, showing

> disturbance in education. Usually when badhakesh interferes, the

> reasons are not clear and inexplicable! This explains disturbance

in

> education. Further, note, that badhakesh is not really weak, as it

> gets neechabhanga, with the position of Mars in kendra from Lagna

> and Moon! So, this badhakesh is strong! Interestingly, it is the

> Lagna lord giving strength to badhakesh, indicating, the native

has

> himself to blame, and in rasi chart, this Mars is in Marana Karaka

> Sthana in the 7th house of relationships, in a sign ruled by

Saturn,

> the hora lord!

>

> Next, we note that the 5th lord in Chaturvimsamsa is debilitated

and

> is forming a dur-yoga with the 8th lord Mercury, and in Marana

> Karaka Sthana, all indicating the natives antipathy towards

> education! This combination also happens to aspect the 12th from

AL,

> indicating loss of status or image, or simply put, failure. Look

for

> periods of Jupiter & Mercury, especially Mercury as it gives the

> result of Jupiter.

>

> Next, analyze hora lord, Saturn. For higher education, like

> bachelors degree, consider the 9th house. Look at A9, to see

success

> or failure. Here A9 is in Pisces, with Jupiter as its lord, whose

> avastha we have already examined, further, Saturn the hora lord is

in

> 2nd from a AL, thereby ruining it!

>

> Regarding your questions on raja yoga, please note that the same,

> Mars is having a parivarthana with Rahu, this is definitely not

> good! Further, Mars is also the badhakesh in rasi ATP. The raja

> yoga, shows what your actions are, and what the native does, to

> analyze the result, always use the Arudha! I gave a presentation

on

> this topic at the Boston Conference this year, which is available

> free for download. Do consider listening to it.

>

> Regards

> -Narayan-

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, kumar p

> <to.learn.astrology@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi all,

> > I am looking for help on analysis of a particular Annual Tithi

> Pravesha

> > Chart. The following is the discription of the same. Assume that

> the birth

> > time is of reasonable accuracy.

> > Annual TP

> >

> > November 24, 2003

> > Time: 0:55:41

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 80 E 27' 00", 16 N 18' 00"

> > Guntur, India

> > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> >

> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Subhanu - Karthika

> > Tithi: Amavasya (Ra) (17.61% left)

> > Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)

> > Nakshatra: Anuraadha (Sa) (86.99% left)

> > Yoga: Atiganda (Mo) (58.14% left)

> > Karana: Naga (Sa) (35.22% left)

> > Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Le)

> > Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Li)

> > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

> >

> > Sunrise: 6:19:07 (November 23)

> > Sunset: 17:29:40 (November 23)

> > Janma Ghatis: 46.5236

> >

> > Ayanamsa: 23-54-27.76

> > Sidereal Time: 4:56:54

> >

> > +--------------+

> > | |Ra |HL |SaR Gk |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |Ma | |Md |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> > | | |As Ju |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |Ve |Su Mo |Ke |GL |

> > | |Me AL | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > +--------------+

> >

> > +--------------+

> > | |Ra Ke | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |Ma HL | | |

> > |AL | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | Siddhamsa | |

> > |-----------| |-----------|

> > |Me Ju | D-24 | |

> > |Gk | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |As Su |Mo |SaR |Ve Md |

> > |GL | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > +--------------+

> >

> > During the year of the ATP(i.e the year following Nov 23rd 2003)

> the native

> > had a break in education. He is expected to complete his BTech

in

> that year

> > but was not able to complete it, and completed it the following

> year.

> >

> > Now the question is how can we explain the break in education

just

> by using

> > the ATP alone. Is it because

> >

> > 1. Mars (4th Lord in Rasi) is in marana karaka sthana(7th) and

> > 2. Jupiter, lagna and 4th lord is debilitated in D-24.

> >

> > What woud other positive points (given below) indicate? Wont

they

> play any

> > role which indicate the chances for the break in education is

very

> less

> >

> > 1. Raja Yoga between Mars(Yogakaraka) and Jupiter(5th Lord)

in

> Rasi

> > 2. The 4th House in rasi has Sun,Moon, Mercury (1st,12th,2nd

> and 11th

> > lords) is this a bad indication for 4th house?

> > 3. Raja Yoga between Jupiter and Mercury in D-24(1st,4th,7th

> and 10th

> > lords)

> >

> > I would like to know if ATP alone explains the event. If not

then

> I shall

> > post the birth details in the next mail.

> > Thanks

> > kumar P.

> >

>

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Thanks a lot for your very clear explanation and for your time in analysing and

writing it down). Firstly let me state that I am just a novice in astrology

just beginning to understand the basics. Please pardon me if I happen to ask

anything silly or make no sense.

 

I have now understood the importance of Arudhas. I was under the impression that

Raja Yogas play a role(if not important) in the outcome of what one does. There

are few more queries that I have. (All w.r.t to the ATP chart not the natal

chart)

why will saturn 5th and 6th lord(being a functional benific lord) in navamsa

show dissapointment in relationships? Is it because of his role in rasi chart

and being the hora lord? Or is it merely because he is the 6th lord?

why is the exhange between rahu and mars bad? (considering they are lords of 9th

and 7th resp.) Is it that exchage of enemies is not good?

Thanks

Kumar P.

On 11/12/05, naaraayana_iyer <jaimini.upadesa > wrote:

namaschandikaayaiDear Kumar,Let me add a caveat here: The position of ATP Lagna in 8th from

Natal Lagna doesnt spell doom all the time! The 8th house alsosignifies hard

work and upaasana. Lets assume, if the ATP D24 lagnahad indeed been

Saggitarius, with all its positive indication, itwould have given success after

lot of hard work!

Please also note, that Saturn the hora lord is Retrograde having lotof chesta

bala, and in 6th from natal lagna, and in 12th in D24,indicates that the native

did work hard, but met with failure!Incidentally, the trouble maker, Mercury in

D24 is also lord of A7

in ATP rashi, and in 6th house in ATP Navamsa!Regards-Narayan---- In

vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer"<jaimini.upadesa@g

....> wrote:>> namaschandikaayai>> Dear Kumar,>> [ Please Note: I feel the

birthtime should be pushed back byatleast> 6 minutes, the time I am using for

your information is 10:06]

>> We do use the natal chart to judge the Annual Tithi Praveshachart.> The ATP

chart for 2003 has Leo rising, which is in the 8th house> from your natal

chart. This is not auspicious and generally shows

> some kind of disappointment.>> The Hora Lord is Saturn, which in your ATP, is

in the 8th fromyour> natal moon forming kantaka shani which adds to the above

mentioned> position of ATP lagna w.r.t Natal lagna!>> Saturn is the 6th and 7th

lord in the 11th house in Gemini, hencea> functional malefic, and the same

Saturn happens to be the Lagnalord> in your natal chart. This is not a good

indication and is a result

> of ATP lagna in dusthana from Natal lagna.>> Also, note that in ATP, Saturn is

in A7 in Gemini [ also known as> Mithuna (Maithuna) the sign signifying sex &

relationship and> symbolized by a couple in embrace], which is not good from

the

point> of view of relationship(s)! Further, Saturn, being the 5th and 6th> lord

in Navamsa is in 7th house, showing some problems and> disppointment in

relationship with the opposite sex during that

year.> Most importantly, Saturn is the lord of Mrityu Pada (A8) in ATP> Rashi,

which shows manifestation of disappointments and dejections.>> Now, lets move

to D24:>> With the new time, we have Scorpio rising. With the old time, we

had> Saggitarius rising, with 9th lord in lagna, and Saturn as lord of> AL,

should have given you success in education, which did nothappen!>> With Scoroio

rising, we have badhakesh Moon in Lagna, showing

> disturbance in education. Usually when badhakesh interferes, the> reasons are

not clear and inexplicable! This explains disturbancein> education. Further,

note, that badhakesh is not really weak, as it

> gets neechabhanga, with the position of Mars in kendra from Lagna> and Moon!

So, this badhakesh is strong! Interestingly, it is the> Lagna lord giving

strength to badhakesh, indicating, the native

has> himself to blame, and in rasi chart, this Mars is in Marana Karaka> Sthana

in the 7th house of relationships, in a sign ruled bySaturn,> the hora lord!>>

Next, we note that the 5th lord in Chaturvimsamsa is debilitated

and> is forming a dur-yoga with the 8th lord Mercury, and in Marana> Karaka

Sthana, all indicating the natives antipathy towards> education! This

combination also happens to aspect the 12th from

AL,> indicating loss of status or image, or simply put, failure. Lookfor>

periods of Jupiter & Mercury, especially Mercury as it gives the> result of

Jupiter.>> Next, analyze hora lord, Saturn. For higher education, like

> bachelors degree, consider the 9th house. Look at A9, to seesuccess> or

failure. Here A9 is in Pisces, with Jupiter as its lord, whose> avastha we have

already examined, further, Saturn the hora lord is

in> 2nd from a AL, thereby ruining it!>> Regarding your questions on raja yoga,

please note that the same,> Mars is having a parivarthana with Rahu, this is

definitely not> good! Further, Mars is also the badhakesh in rasi ATP. The raja

> yoga, shows what your actions are, and what the native does, to> analyze the

result, always use the Arudha! I gave a presentationon> this topic at the

Boston Conference this year, which is available

> free for download. Do consider listening to it.>> Regards> -Narayan->>>> ---

In vedic astrology

, kumar p> <to.learn.astrology@g...> wrote:> >> > Hi all,> > I am looking for

help on analysis of a particular Annual Tithi> Pravesha> > Chart. The following

is the discription of the same. Assume that

> the birth> > time is of reasonable accuracy.> > Annual TP> >> > Date:

November 24, 2003> > Time: 0:55:41> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> >

Place: 80 E 27' 00", 16 N 18' 00"

> > Guntur, India> > Altitude: 0.00 meters> >> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Subhanu -

Karthika> > Tithi: Amavasya (Ra) (17.61% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)> >

Nakshatra: Anuraadha (Sa) (

86.99% left)> > Yoga: Atiganda (Mo) (58.14% left)> > Karana: Naga (Sa) (35.22%

left)> > Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Le)> > Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min

sign: Li)> > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

> >> > Sunrise: 6:19:07 (November 23)> > Sunset: 17:29:40 (November 23)> > Janma

Ghatis: 46.5236> >> > Ayanamsa: 23-54-27.76> > Sidereal Time: 4:56:54

> >> > +--------------+> > | |Ra |HL |SaR Gk |>

> | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> >

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |Ma | |Md |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------|

Rasi |-----------|> > | | |As Ju |> > | | | |> > | | | |

> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> >

|Ve |Su Mo |Ke |GL |> > | |Me AL | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |

> > +--------------+> >> >

+--------------+> > | |Ra Ke | | |> > | | | |

|> > | | | | |> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Ma HL | |

|> > |AL | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Siddhamsa | |> > |-----------|

|-----------|

> > |Me Ju | D-24 | |> > |Gk | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> >

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As Su |Mo |SaR |Ve Md |

> > |GL | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> >

+--------------+> >> > During the year of the

ATP(i.e the year following Nov 23rd 2003)

> the native> > had a break in education. He is expected to complete his

BTechin> that year> > but was not able to complete it, and completed it the

following> year.> >

> > Now the question is how can we explain the break in educationjust> by using>

> the ATP alone. Is it because> >> > 1. Mars (4th Lord in Rasi) is in marana

karaka sthana(7th) and

> > 2. Jupiter, lagna and 4th lord is debilitated in D-24.> >> > What woud

other positive points (given below) indicate? Wontthey> play any> > role which

indicate the chances for the break in education is

very> less> >> > 1. Raja Yoga between Mars(Yogakaraka) and Jupiter(5th

Lord)in> Rasi> > 2. The 4th House in rasi has Sun,Moon, Mercury

(1st,12th,2nd> and 11th

> > lords) is this a bad indication for 4th house?> > 3. Raja Yoga between

Jupiter and Mercury in D-24(1st,4th,7th> and 10th> > lords)> >> > I would

like to know if ATP alone explains the event. If not

then> I shall> > post the birth details in the next mail.> > Thanks> > kumar

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