Narasimha Rao appreciation - Renaissance - KN Rao & his students

November 10, 2005

Dear Shree Rao,

Iam happy that you recognize the services of Sri KN Rao and has openely

expressed appreciation for him. I am writing this because just two days before,

when Mr. Rath snubbed Shree Shreenadh, he had made a derogatory remark like 'Are

you a student of KN Rao?' pointing to that there is something wrong with KN Rao

and his students. Such language against a father figure of astrology from

another Guru sounds very odd. As you said humility is one quality everyone must

develop. In your previous mail you have explained the discipline expected but it

is my personal feeling that asking somebody to have the homework correctly or

not to ask silly question is not a very offensive thing if you see your own

Guruji's words with which he guided/snubbed Shree Shreenadhji.

Your role as a moderator and starter and thus the owner of the group is

justified but at the same time you should have given a better treatment to

Shree Surya who had made some brilliant postings to which neither you nor your

Guruji had no answer. So it may look as if you and Narayana Iyer deliberately

intervented to create a conflict and insult the man for the offence of

challenging your wisdom. The man who raised impertinent question should also

have been humble enough not to stray into an area where Paramguru was engaged

in discussion. So even though you say there is a level playing field, it looks

as if you have gunned another abhimanyu by orchestrated effort to avoid

inconvenient questions that exposed the intellectual bankruptcy of your

guru-brigade and its captain. After all it is your group and it is your

discretion to run it in any manner you like. I must thank you for appreciating

Shree KN Rao whom your

Paramaguru had made something like a "bad character" in his mail.

With warm regards,

Chandrasekhar

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Ranjan,

Thanks for the thoughts. Just a couple of quick thoughts based on my personal views.

The field of Jyotish is undergoing a transformation for sometime now. Sri KN Rao

brought one wave of revolution in 1990's. He kicked off the long process of

renaissance. Now, a lot of hidden knowledge is coming out and people are

seriously discussing BPHS, Jaimini Sutram etc. As I see it, the next quantum

leap that is an integral part of the ongoing Jyotish renaissance started a few

years back. As a part of this, some good knowledge and some bad knowledge

becomes common place. Some people try to resist the change. Some people try to

change its direction. People start thinking about the basic issues.

Several schools of thought are entering the chruning for Truth, which will

continue for 2-3 decades to come. They will all contribute to the on-going

process of renaissance. During the transformation time, this will seem like

chaos. But this is quite necessary for Truth to come out. Various brawls we see

on various Jyotish lists from time to time are a sign of just this.

Some people have a scholarly and mature way of dealing with this chaos and

contributing to the churning process. Some hot-blooded people unfortunately get

carried away and become impatient and violent. That's unfortunate, but they too

will learn with experience. I too was hot-blooded. First I learnt faking

humility. Then it slowly changed into genuine humility within myself. If I

could change, anybody could.

But I am confident that a lot of genuine and correct knowledge will come out of

all this churning in the next 20-30 years. I am quite confident of that.

To see the evolution of Jyotish knowledge in society, look at Jupiter-Ketu

conjunctions. Study the rasi and chaturvimsamsa in which they occurred in the

last several decades!

I predict that 2020-2026 will be a period when the floodgates of Jyotish

knowledge will open. Just as I finished writing this line, there was huge

lightening outside the window on the east and a really really bright light and

a thunder too. I take it as a favorable omen for what I wrote...

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear Akashji/avbhat2005ji,> > Since the moderators have not expunged your

message as you wrongly > feared I am tempted to probe a bit further regarding

your > observations. Just to clear the air, first, I am not associated with >

SJC in any way, other than admiring the work done by some of its > members and

senior representatives, some of whose work goes back to > the best of my

understanding before they were associated with SJC, > indeed perhpas from even

before SJC was formed (some I know since mid > nineties).> > Why do you think

this phenomenon of so much repressed anger coming > out over the last couple of

months or so, not just on this list but > several other jyotish lists? I also

follow a few non-jyotish lists > (mostly science related) and there is no

similar phenomenon there. So > we cannot blame it on mars or jupiter or

whatever else is

happening > in transits. Yet it is curious that it is affecting jyotishis, but >

not others, including western astrologers (though I sample more > jyotishis than

tropical astrologers so could be a sampling bias).> > Why, dear

fellow-astrologers??> > RR> > > vedic astrology,

"baksh5" <avbhat2005> > wrote:> >> > Om Namh! Shivaya!> > > > Respected

and Learned members of this group.> > > > Moderators you are free to expunge

this message. > > > > I have been observing for quite some time the nature and

pattern of > > discussions happening in this group. Excellent discussions are >

> happening w.r.t Vargas/Divisional charts, Sandhi shanti etc... > which > > is

helping

students like me in the field of astrology.> > > > But the disturbing point what

I noticed is, when certain pointed > > questions are asked, the responders ( can

be SJC Guru or anybody > > else) take a defensive attitude and always take the

step of exit > > from the discussion or the group.> > > > The latest instance

of such a case is from Sri Ramadoss. Everybody > > knows he is a well respected

and a learned scholar/astrologer. So > as > > soon as a person asks a detail

about Sandhi Shanti, Sri Ramadoss > > says he is turning to spirituality and

leaving Jyotisha. It may be > a > > personal choice for Sri Ramadoss, but the

timing seemed a bit > > inappropriate for me.> > > > Another instance is of Mr.

Surya Rao. He also seems to be a great > > scholar of astrology but his latest

outbursts against Sri. PVR > >

seemed unwarranted. This is not my call. But I felt it was > > unnecessary.> > >

> Another instance is of Mr.Partha who being a SJC guru left his > group > > in

a huff!.> > > > Another instance is of Mr. Utpal. He was having very good > >

discussions but suddenly felt that he needs to leave this group and > > pursue

his other matters.> > > > In all this I felt Sri. Rath and Sri. PVR, Pradeep,

Sreenadh and > > couple of other learned members stood their ground and tried

to > > clarify the doubts raised and presented their thoughts.> > > > This is

an open forum and has the biggest disadvantage that un-> > identified people

can come and say whatever derogatory remarks they > > want and scoot without

any remorse.> > > > The only point I would like to make is, "Students like me

are > > missing

the learnings/gyan of astrology in this forum due to exit > of > >

gurus/scholars from this group". An earnest request to all is to > > continue

with the great discussions and predictions being given in > > this forum from

one and all.> > > > With Regards> > /Akash..

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om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Lokeash

Thats a great idea. Sometime back I had offered that KN Rao and I should have a

competition of sorts in complete public view where we have to take 100 charts

and predict what happened to marriages/relationships in the past, their

children and other such tangible things. Lets say just marriage and children.

Why don't you talk to him and see if he will agree to this? Why throw stones at

the Americans at ACVA? They are sincerely trying to earn and it is we Indians

who are supposed to be the experts.

So Dr Raman gave me a break in astrology as I was not getting a break! No it is

not something worth respecting and dying for. You know better than that. He

pulled the curtain from my eyes and allowed me to realise that the so called

secrets were bad for the subject...if the subject had to grow.

What is wrong in someone charging for chart reading? Only thing is whether it is

worth it and that is for people to check and know. So if KNR charged $500 in

1980's or I charge less than half that even now, it is for us to decide and for

the people to check and give for the services we render. If people complain now

that they got charged more or less, they are free to get in touch with the

concerned astrologer. Why do you always want free services? Why do Indians

always have the free food mentality? Is it because of the 'Gandhi' factor -

live in two robes and eat free. All this is fine so long as there is someone

else like Nehru to foot the bill. I don't know the final answer to all this but

I think Gandhi did a good job and so did so many of our national leaders and

they did for money what they thoght they should in order to enhance 'public

image' and following. Many astrologers are also very busy doing this to enhance

public image and following.

If by any chance you are talking about the allegations that were made against

me, let me tell you that I have won the court case and that I will be placing a

copy of the order of the High Cort of Delhi in the website. If you have any

other thing against me personally, please feel free to speak and I shall reply

to the best of my abilities.

Even if I am no longer dear to you, you are still 'Dear Lokesh' for me.

Namaste.

With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B

Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com,

+91-11-25717162* * *

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Lokesh Khosla

vedic astrology

Friday, November 11, 2005 9:20 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Narasimha Rao appreciation - Renaissance - KN

Rao & his students

Sanjay,

This is my last email to you too. It is very clear you were not getting any

break in astrology and Dr Raman gave you and all that matters to you is

success. I would probably take my funeral at KN Rao's feet as compared to your

baseless logic and arrogance without any astrological reasoning. U have not

answered the Monetary question from your side. I know many people in US who met

Mr Rao when he was here and are of same view as mine.As far as AVCA is concerned

, have spoken to many astrologers there too who are money makers and nothing

more than that. Ask any of AVCA astrologers to show any of there original

research or ask them to do predictions and not counselling and then let's sit

side by side to see what we get out of them. Follow up the predictions,

Predicting US elections is not a prediction, any Mathematician can do that, you

donot need astrologers for that.

Amazing you believe in AVCA more than a legend.

Lokesh

Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote:

om namo bhagavate vasudevayaLokesh

Very sorry that you have also tried to jump into the fray but I will be the

spokesperson for a person who is no longer in his body and whose kind words

encouraged meto come out of my little orissa world and teach jyotish.

Have you checked how much he was charging when in the US? Why don't you write to

ACVA to find out what he was up to?

You can fall at his feet at that is your funeral. I will always stand by Dr

Raman - whether yesterday, today or tomorrow. I don't want your regard nor that

of anyone who has anything to do with KN Rao. That man is the greatest slur that

has happened to Vedic Astrology and his back stabbing of Dr Raman shall be

remembered by astrologers for many many years to come.

You, Chandrasekhar and others can write whatever you want, but I am unflinching

in this for I cannot forget those few words that Dr Raman wrote as a blessing

when he published my first article in the Astrological Magazine. I will stand

by him whether he be in his body or not.

This shall be my last mail on this topic, and I am one of the Gurus of Narasimha

and the others are Dr Raman and his father. He has a habitof being pleasant and

organises this list - I can be unpleasant with some sometimes. And it was your

choise to write this nasty mail, so I have replied and wasted another 15

minutes on another man who didn't deserve this time.

With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B

Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com,

+91-11-25717162* * *

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Lokesh Khosla

vedic astrology

Friday, November 11, 2005 8:25 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Narasimha Rao appreciation - Renaissance - KN

Rao & his students

Mr Rath,

Are you spokesperson of Dr Raman.? I am not only suprised at your comments but

also sense a feeling of jealousy of Mr Rao's success. KN Rao is not only a

legend but also a gentleman. I will give you many examples and the prime is the

NIS_SWARTH commitment towards astrology. You have no reason to ask for apologise

for anyone. If Mr Rao has said something about Dr Raman, he has done it

professionally and backed it up with technical reason. At the same time you and

lot of your students who will not give PREDICTIONS and not even stand by it.

On this list I have met Mr Narsimha personally and have great respect for him

and when I came to know you were his guru I held you in high regards too .

After this email I have no regards for a person who is trying to be vindictive

and trying to get back to another person. That is like 2 yrs old.

Secondly, I do respect Mr Rao because I have met him personally, not only he has

given predictions , he stood behind them and also look at his commitment, he

could have made millions on astrology if he wanted to. Have you looked at

horoscopes of individuals and given predictions and Stood by it and that too

without any monetary involvement from anyone? Donot bring up here that there is

a need to have money in astrology to make it professional. That's totally

absurd which I hear from money making astrologers.

Please be humble and look at your own concious before making such bold

statements and that too about someone who has proven time and again that

"THERE IS NO BETTER ASTROLOGER THAN MR KN RAO".

Regards

Lokesh

Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote:

om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Chandrasekhar

What I have said about K N Rao is not at all odd and is very very sweet compared

to what KN Rao has said for years about the real father figure Dr Raman and

PUBLISHED about so many vedic astrologers in India and abroad. What I said was

the truth when I said that he went to look for 'books under his bed'. Rohini

Ranjan and other astrologers were also there in that Majordomo list. Has Sri

Rao found those books from under the bed by now or is he still looking?

I will be the first to withdraw my statements about him if he publicly

apologizes for what he has said about Dr Raman.

I have given all the answers to Sri Surya Rao and have asked him to demonstrate

how he uses the saptamsa varga...he chose to leave. If he wishes to continue

his debate with me in any other forum, I shall be most willing to continue. Can

you check with the Jyotish List moderator if they want me there to continue the

debate?

Do not ever be any any wrong impression that I am leaving. I may be slow, I may

be bogged down with work, but I will never say die when it comes to standing up

for Parasara and Vyasadeva. Please ask Sri Surya Rao to give the answer to the

questions I have listed.

Jaya Jagannath Krishna!

With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B

Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com,

+91-11-25717162* * *

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Chandra Sekhar

vedic astrology

Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:23 PM