D-charts and Transit in D-charts: As per Tamil Nadi texts?

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Dear All,

Somebody started that he will explain, Transit in D-charts based on

Nadi texts. Here are some facts, just to add up to your understanding

of the subject.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

D-charts and Transit in D-charts: As per Tamil Nadi texts?

==========================================================

If you consider the whole of Nadi literature, 1 of them is of North

Indian origin, 3 of them are of Kerala origin and all others are of

Tamil Origin. (May be there could be some other Nadi texts as well

which escaped my attention)

1) North India - Bhrigu Samhitha

2) Kerala - Devakeralam (Chandra Kala Nadi), Chandra Nadi, Surya

Nadi.

3) Tamilnadu - Agasthya Nadi, Siva Nadi, Maha Siva Nadi, Kaka

Bhusunda Nadi, Bhrigu-Nandi Nadi and a host of others.

Bhrigu Samhitha and Devakeralam are available. Of them only

Devakeralam is in Sanskrit. (I don't know whether Bhrigu Samhitha is

of Sanskrit or Hindi origin). All Tamil Nadi texts are in Tamil

language. Some of them are published by the Oriental Research

Institute of Madras.

Except Devakeralam, almost all the other Nadi texts comprises of a

host of horoscopes with interpretation, and does not deal with the

laws of interpretation. You have to *interpret*, the *laws of

interpretation of horoscopes* from those Nadi texts!! (Except in the

case of Devakeralam).

After accepting these facts, consider the people who are trying to

find D-charts, and Transit in D-charts in Nadi texts. Do they know

Tamil? No!! They do not know Tamil and is wholly depending on

translations of these Nadi texts into English! Thus it becomes,

*interpreting*, the *laws of interpretation of horoscopes* form

*translations*!!!! Look, how absurd it looks!

Ask any Tamil astrologer, about D-charts. Can they authentically say

that Nadi texts speak about D-charts, and Transit in D-charts? NO. Can

they assure us that the astrologers of Tamilnadu follow D-charts and

Transit in D-charts? NO.

Then How?! What right we have to misinterpret, create such *laws of

interpretation of horoscopes* form *translations*, by *interpreting*

Tamil Nadi texts which are in turn *interpretations* of horoscopes?!

Is it some kind of reverse engineering?! Some thing like finding the

black cat that is not at all present there in a dark room, by

conducting some investigations in day light?!!!

Why people are after Nadi texts to find D-charts and Transit in D-

charts? Because they are unseen by many, and you can create and give

propaganda to *our own pet theories* by saying that: Yes, they are

supported by the Nadi texts, "Since most of them are unaware of the

fact about what a Nadi text says"!!! Please note one more thing, if

there is any such reference in authentic classics, would it have been

necessary to search the Nadi texts for some proof? No! That means,

"NONE OF THE CLASSIC TEXTS ON ASTROLOGY SPEAK ABOUT D-CHARTS OR

TRANSIT IN D-CHARTS". Yes, that is why they run after the Nadi texts!!

(To prove that they are not ditching the Rishi Horas!!!)

I would humbly request the Tamil astrologers who read this article

to comment on the same, and share their views.

Love,

Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

|JAI SRIRAM|

Dear Sreenadh,

 

1.If you are looking into Tamil nadi leaves you could findout all the

horoscopes from their is simillar to the planetery positions of Vakya

panchang only.If you are following Nadi then did you accept

drik or lahiri based planetery positions?

 

2.You are saying astrologers from tamil nadu doesn't use D-charts.I

hope all the astrologers in tamil nadu are using Navamsa extensively.

 

3.Through nadi is it possible to take the horoscopes for all the

people in all over the world OR the nadi is for only for the people

in India OR for only for Tamil people? How many nadi leaves are

available? Each leave for everyone means how many?

 

4.Nadi remedies are different from vedic remedies.How many people are

get benefit from that? Have you ever approach the nadi and the remedy

have done as per their prescribtion and what is the result? Do you

know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,please inform me.

 

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh

 

 

--- Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

 

> Dear All,

> Somebody started that he will explain, Transit in D-charts based

> on

> Nadi texts. Here are some facts, just to add up to your

> understanding

> of the subject.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> D-charts and Transit in D-charts: As per Tamil Nadi texts?

> ==========================================================

> If you consider the whole of Nadi literature, 1 of them is of North

>

> Indian origin, 3 of them are of Kerala origin and all others are of

>

> Tamil Origin. (May be there could be some other Nadi texts as well

> which escaped my attention)

> 1) North India - Bhrigu Samhitha

> 2) Kerala - Devakeralam (Chandra Kala Nadi), Chandra Nadi, Surya

> Nadi.

> 3) Tamilnadu - Agasthya Nadi, Siva Nadi, Maha Siva Nadi, Kaka

> Bhusunda Nadi, Bhrigu-Nandi Nadi and a host of others.

> Bhrigu Samhitha and Devakeralam are available. Of them only

> Devakeralam is in Sanskrit. (I don't know whether Bhrigu Samhitha

> is

> of Sanskrit or Hindi origin). All Tamil Nadi texts are in Tamil

> language. Some of them are published by the Oriental Research

> Institute of Madras.

> Except Devakeralam, almost all the other Nadi texts comprises of a

> host of horoscopes with interpretation, and does not deal with the

> laws of interpretation. You have to *interpret*, the *laws of

> interpretation of horoscopes* from those Nadi texts!! (Except in

> the

> case of Devakeralam).

> After accepting these facts, consider the people who are trying

> to

> find D-charts, and Transit in D-charts in Nadi texts. Do they know

> Tamil? No!! They do not know Tamil and is wholly depending on

> translations of these Nadi texts into English! Thus it becomes,

> *interpreting*, the *laws of interpretation of horoscopes* form

> *translations*!!!! Look, how absurd it looks!

> Ask any Tamil astrologer, about D-charts. Can they authentically

> say

> that Nadi texts speak about D-charts, and Transit in D-charts? NO.

> Can

> they assure us that the astrologers of Tamilnadu follow D-charts

> and

> Transit in D-charts? NO.

> Then How?! What right we have to misinterpret, create such *laws

> of

> interpretation of horoscopes* form *translations*, by

> *interpreting*

> Tamil Nadi texts which are in turn *interpretations* of

> horoscopes?!

> Is it some kind of reverse engineering?! Some thing like finding

> the

> black cat that is not at all present there in a dark room, by

> conducting some investigations in day light?!!!

> Why people are after Nadi texts to find D-charts and Transit in

> D-

> charts? Because they are unseen by many, and you can create and

> give

> propaganda to *our own pet theories* by saying that: Yes, they are

> supported by the Nadi texts, "Since most of them are unaware of the

>

> fact about what a Nadi text says"!!! Please note one more thing, if

>

> there is any such reference in authentic classics, would it have

> been

> necessary to search the Nadi texts for some proof? No! That means,

> "NONE OF THE CLASSIC TEXTS ON ASTROLOGY SPEAK ABOUT D-CHARTS OR

> TRANSIT IN D-CHARTS". Yes, that is why they run after the Nadi

> texts!!

> (To prove that they are not ditching the Rishi Horas!!!)

> I would humbly request the Tamil astrologers who read this

> article

> to comment on the same, and share their views.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Venkatesh,

You said it right!! Let us compare with my openion.

> 1.If you are looking into Tamil nadi leaves you could

> findout all the horoscopes from their is simillar to the

> planetery positions of Vakya panchang only.

> If you are following Nadi then did you accept

> drik or lahiri based planetery positions?

Good ! I agree.

> 2.You are saying astrologers from tamil nadu doesn't

> use D-charts.I hope all the astrologers in tamil nadu

> are using Navamsa extensively.

Yes, you are right. They use Navamsa not Navamsa chart. The use of

Navamsa or any other varga is not a proof for the use of D-charts. I

mean *Charts* NOT Vargas. (By the way D-Charts are at times

interpreted indipendantly - as PVR puts it- but Vargas are looked ONLY

in conjection with Natal chart. Drishti is considered in D-charts, but

in Navmsa varga they are not Hope you get the point).

> 3.Through nadi is it possible to take the horoscopes for all the

> people in all over the world OR the nadi is for only for the people

> in India OR for only for Tamil people? How many nadi leaves are

> available? Each leave for everyone means how many?

) Yes. I agree. I know that Nadi for every one is not possible and

not available.

> 4.Nadi remedies are different from vedic remedies.

> How many people are get benefit from that?

> Have you ever approach the nadi and the remedy

> have done as per their prescribtion and what is the result? Do you

> know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,please inform me.

Yes. I agree! 4 points absolutely correct!!! So, my question is then

why this people are looking for proofs for D-charts, and Transit in D-

chart in Tamil Nadi texts? Why they don't understand?!! If Nadi system

and Vedic astrology system are totally different (not only in

remedies) then what is the point in making such a search?! This is

what I was trying to say all these days!!!

 

Now coming to your last question:

> Do you know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,

> please inform me.

) Dear Venkidesh, only the people who know about the *Nadi

readers* of 'Vaitheeswaram Coil' will understand the fun involved. )

You said it right!!

But see, I am not talking about the current day nadi readers, but

about the manuscripts (on Agasthya nadi etc) published by the Madras

Oriental research Library.

Do you know, once I went to "Vaitheeswaram coil", stayed there fore 2

days and approached every Nadi reader, and easily understood the logic

they employed in *Nadi reading*. It was fun!! You know what would have

happened!! Every one was saying that all those manuscripts on Nadi is

available on Saraswathy Mahal library and the like..I went to

Saraswathy Mahal and found that all that was a lie!!! But believe,

once that real system would have been there, as evident from the

manuscripts available in Madras Oriental Manuscript Library.

I reapeat all of you - look here, ask Venketesh to any other Tamil

astrologer about the Nadi system and Nadi texts. You will get some

good answers.

I would repeat the points put forward by you in my own words:

1) What ayanamsa they will use while dealing with Nadi texts?

2) In Tamilnadu Navamsa is in use, but not independent analysis of

the D-charts.

3) Nadi system is not a perfect or complete system that helps us to

know about the future of all the individuals in the world - currently

it is almost totally correpted.

4) Nadi system and Vedic astrology system are entirely different. If

so what those stands for D-charts are going to prove, by searching in

Nadi texts?

Thanks for giving that knowledge,

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, Venkatesh S <ksvssvk>

wrote:

>

> |JAI SRIRAM|

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> 1.If you are looking into Tamil nadi leaves you could findout all

the

> horoscopes from their is simillar to the planetery positions of

Vakya

> panchang only.If you are following Nadi then did you accept

> drik or lahiri based planetery positions?

>

> 2.You are saying astrologers from tamil nadu doesn't use D-charts.I

> hope all the astrologers in tamil nadu are using Navamsa

extensively.

>

> 3.Through nadi is it possible to take the horoscopes for all the

> people in all over the world OR the nadi is for only for the people

> in India OR for only for Tamil people? How many nadi leaves are

> available? Each leave for everyone means how many?

>

> 4.Nadi remedies are different from vedic remedies.How many people

are

> get benefit from that? Have you ever approach the nadi and the

remedy

> have done as per their prescribtion and what is the result? Do you

> know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,please inform me.

>

> Thanks,

> S.Venkatesh

>

>

> --- Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

>

> > Dear All,

> > Somebody started that he will explain, Transit in D-charts based

> > on

> > Nadi texts. Here are some facts, just to add up to your

> > understanding

> > of the subject.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > D-charts and Transit in D-charts: As per Tamil Nadi texts?

> > ==========================================================

> > If you consider the whole of Nadi literature, 1 of them is of

North

> >

> > Indian origin, 3 of them are of Kerala origin and all others are

of

> >

> > Tamil Origin. (May be there could be some other Nadi texts as well

> > which escaped my attention)

> > 1) North India - Bhrigu Samhitha

> > 2) Kerala - Devakeralam (Chandra Kala Nadi), Chandra Nadi,

Surya

> > Nadi.

> > 3) Tamilnadu - Agasthya Nadi, Siva Nadi, Maha Siva Nadi, Kaka

> > Bhusunda Nadi, Bhrigu-Nandi Nadi and a host of others.

> > Bhrigu Samhitha and Devakeralam are available. Of them only

> > Devakeralam is in Sanskrit. (I don't know whether Bhrigu Samhitha

> > is

> > of Sanskrit or Hindi origin). All Tamil Nadi texts are in Tamil

> > language. Some of them are published by the Oriental Research

> > Institute of Madras.

> > Except Devakeralam, almost all the other Nadi texts comprises of a

> > host of horoscopes with interpretation, and does not deal with the

> > laws of interpretation. You have to *interpret*, the *laws of

> > interpretation of horoscopes* from those Nadi texts!! (Except in

> > the

> > case of Devakeralam).

> > After accepting these facts, consider the people who are trying

> > to

> > find D-charts, and Transit in D-charts in Nadi texts. Do they know

> > Tamil? No!! They do not know Tamil and is wholly depending on

> > translations of these Nadi texts into English! Thus it becomes,

> > *interpreting*, the *laws of interpretation of horoscopes* form

> > *translations*!!!! Look, how absurd it looks!

> > Ask any Tamil astrologer, about D-charts. Can they authentically

> > say

> > that Nadi texts speak about D-charts, and Transit in D-charts? NO.

> > Can

> > they assure us that the astrologers of Tamilnadu follow D-charts

> > and

> > Transit in D-charts? NO.

> > Then How?! What right we have to misinterpret, create such

*laws

> > of

> > interpretation of horoscopes* form *translations*, by

> > *interpreting*

> > Tamil Nadi texts which are in turn *interpretations* of

> > horoscopes?!

> > Is it some kind of reverse engineering?! Some thing like finding

> > the

> > black cat that is not at all present there in a dark room, by

> > conducting some investigations in day light?!!!

> > Why people are after Nadi texts to find D-charts and Transit in

> > D-

> > charts? Because they are unseen by many, and you can create and

> > give

> > propaganda to *our own pet theories* by saying that: Yes, they are

> > supported by the Nadi texts, "Since most of them are unaware of

the

> >

> > fact about what a Nadi text says"!!! Please note one more thing,

if

> >

> > there is any such reference in authentic classics, would it have

> > been

> > necessary to search the Nadi texts for some proof? No! That means,

> > "NONE OF THE CLASSIC TEXTS ON ASTROLOGY SPEAK ABOUT D-CHARTS OR

> > TRANSIT IN D-CHARTS". Yes, that is why they run after the Nadi

> > texts!!

> > (To prove that they are not ditching the Rishi Horas!!!)

> > I would humbly request the Tamil astrologers who read this

> > article

> > to comment on the same, and share their views.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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|JAI SRIRAM|

Dear Sreenath,

 

1.Which panchang or planetery system you are following? What is the

reason?

 

2.Drishti is considered in D-charts, but in Navmsa varga they are not

Hope you get the point.

Many astrologers in tamilnadu are using the aspect in navamsa also.

 

3. What ayanamsa they will use while dealing with Nadi texts?

I don't think any.Do you know the vakya panchang is very famous in

south tamilnadu also doesn't have ayanamsa.Vakya panchang is based

upon poet by Iddaikattar for 60 tamil years.Do you know the

Saturn,Jupiter and Rahu,Ketu transits celebrated in all the temples

in tamilnadu based upon vakya panchang only.This transits by vakya

panchang has many days differences with drik panchang.

 

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh

 

--- Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

 

> Dear Venkatesh,

> You said it right!! Let us compare with my openion.

> > 1.If you are looking into Tamil nadi leaves you could

> > findout all the horoscopes from their is simillar to the

> > planetery positions of Vakya panchang only.

> > If you are following Nadi then did you accept

> > drik or lahiri based planetery positions?

> Good ! I agree.

> > 2.You are saying astrologers from tamil nadu doesn't

> > use D-charts.I hope all the astrologers in tamil nadu

> > are using Navamsa extensively.

> Yes, you are right. They use Navamsa not Navamsa chart. The use of

>

> Navamsa or any other varga is not a proof for the use of D-charts.

> I

> mean *Charts* NOT Vargas. (By the way D-Charts are at times

> interpreted indipendantly - as PVR puts it- but Vargas are looked

> ONLY

> in conjection with Natal chart. Drishti is considered in D-charts,

> but

> in Navmsa varga they are not Hope you get the point).

> > 3.Through nadi is it possible to take the horoscopes for all the

> > people in all over the world OR the nadi is for only for the

> people

> > in India OR for only for Tamil people? How many nadi leaves are

> > available? Each leave for everyone means how many?

> ) Yes. I agree. I know that Nadi for every one is not possible

> and

> not available.

> > 4.Nadi remedies are different from vedic remedies.

> > How many people are get benefit from that?

> > Have you ever approach the nadi and the remedy

> > have done as per their prescribtion and what is the result? Do

> you

> > know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,please inform me.

> Yes. I agree! 4 points absolutely correct!!! So, my question is

> then

> why this people are looking for proofs for D-charts, and Transit in

> D-

> chart in Tamil Nadi texts? Why they don't understand?!! If Nadi

> system

> and Vedic astrology system are totally different (not only in

> remedies) then what is the point in making such a search?! This is

> what I was trying to say all these days!!!

>

> Now coming to your last question:

> > Do you know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,

> > please inform me.

> ) Dear Venkidesh, only the people who know about the *Nadi

> readers* of 'Vaitheeswaram Coil' will understand the fun involved.

> )

> You said it right!!

> But see, I am not talking about the current day nadi readers, but

> about the manuscripts (on Agasthya nadi etc) published by the

> Madras

> Oriental research Library.

> Do you know, once I went to "Vaitheeswaram coil", stayed there

> fore 2

> days and approached every Nadi reader, and easily understood the

> logic

> they employed in *Nadi reading*. It was fun!! You know what would

> have

> happened!! Every one was saying that all those manuscripts on Nadi

> is

> available on Saraswathy Mahal library and the like..I went to

> Saraswathy Mahal and found that all that was a lie!!! But believe,

> once that real system would have been there, as evident from the

> manuscripts available in Madras Oriental Manuscript Library.

> I reapeat all of you - look here, ask Venketesh to any other Tamil

>

> astrologer about the Nadi system and Nadi texts. You will get some

> good answers.

> I would repeat the points put forward by you in my own words:

> 1) What ayanamsa they will use while dealing with Nadi texts?

> 2) In Tamilnadu Navamsa is in use, but not independent analysis of

>

> the D-charts.

> 3) Nadi system is not a perfect or complete system that helps us

> to

> know about the future of all the individuals in the world -

> currently

> it is almost totally correpted.

> 4) Nadi system and Vedic astrology system are entirely different.

> If

> so what those stands for D-charts are going to prove, by searching

> in

> Nadi texts?

> Thanks for giving that knowledge,

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, Venkatesh S <ksvssvk>

> wrote:

> >

> > |JAI SRIRAM|

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > 1.If you are looking into Tamil nadi leaves you could findout all

>

> the

> > horoscopes from their is simillar to the planetery positions of

> Vakya

> > panchang only.If you are following Nadi then did you accept

> > drik or lahiri based planetery positions?

> >

> > 2.You are saying astrologers from tamil nadu doesn't use

> D-charts.I

> > hope all the astrologers in tamil nadu are using Navamsa

> extensively.

> >

> > 3.Through nadi is it possible to take the horoscopes for all the

> > people in all over the world OR the nadi is for only for the

> people

> > in India OR for only for Tamil people? How many nadi leaves are

> > available? Each leave for everyone means how many?

> >

> > 4.Nadi remedies are different from vedic remedies.How many people

>

> are

> > get benefit from that? Have you ever approach the nadi and the

> remedy

> > have done as per their prescribtion and what is the result? Do

> you

> > know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,please inform me.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > S.Venkatesh

> >

> >

> > --- Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear All,

> > > Somebody started that he will explain, Transit in D-charts

> based

> > > on

> > > Nadi texts. Here are some facts, just to add up to your

> > > understanding

> > > of the subject.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > D-charts and Transit in D-charts: As per Tamil Nadi texts?

> > > ==========================================================

> > > If you consider the whole of Nadi literature, 1 of them is of

> North

> > >

> > > Indian origin, 3 of them are of Kerala origin and all others

> are

> of

> > >

> > > Tamil Origin. (May be there could be some other Nadi texts as

> well

> > > which escaped my attention)

> > > 1) North India - Bhrigu Samhitha

> > > 2) Kerala - Devakeralam (Chandra Kala Nadi), Chandra Nadi,

> Surya

> > > Nadi.

> > > 3) Tamilnadu - Agasthya Nadi, Siva Nadi, Maha Siva Nadi, Kaka

> > > Bhusunda Nadi, Bhrigu-Nandi Nadi and a host of others.

> > > Bhrigu Samhitha and Devakeralam are available. Of them only

> > > Devakeralam is in Sanskrit. (I don't know whether Bhrigu

> Samhitha

> > > is

> > > of Sanskrit or Hindi origin). All Tamil Nadi texts are in Tamil

>

> > > language. Some of them are published by the Oriental Research

> > > Institute of Madras.

> > > Except Devakeralam, almost all the other Nadi texts comprises

> of a

> > > host of horoscopes with interpretation, and does not deal with

> the

> > > laws of interpretation. You have to *interpret*, the *laws of

> > > interpretation of horoscopes* from those Nadi texts!! (Except

> in

> > > the

> > > case of Devakeralam).

> > > After accepting these facts, consider the people who are

> trying

> > > to

> > > find D-charts, and Transit in D-charts in Nadi texts. Do they

> know

> > > Tamil? No!! They do not know Tamil and is wholly depending on

> > > translations of these Nadi texts into English! Thus it becomes,

>

> > > *interpreting*, the *laws of interpretation of horoscopes* form

>

> > > *translations*!!!! Look, how absurd it looks!

> > > Ask any Tamil astrologer, about D-charts. Can they

> authentically

> > > say

> > > that Nadi texts speak about D-charts, and Transit in D-charts?

> NO.

> > > Can

> > > they assure us that the astrologers of Tamilnadu follow

> D-charts

> > > and

> > > Transit in D-charts? NO.

> > > Then How?! What right we have to misinterpret, create such

> *laws

> > > of

> > > interpretation of horoscopes* form *translations*, by

>

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[vedic astrology] D-charts and Transit in D-charts: As per Tamil Nadi texts?

Dear All, Somebody started that he will explain, Transit in D-charts based on

Nadi texts. Here are some facts, just to add up to your understanding of the

subject. Love,Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Sreenadh,

Namaste,

D-charts and Transit in D-charts: As per Tamil Nadi texts?

==========================================================

If you consider the whole of Nadi literature, 1 of them is of North

Indian origin, 3 of them are of Kerala origin and all others are of

Tamil Origin. (May be there could be some other Nadi texts as well

which escaped my attention)

1) North India - Bhrigu Samhitha

2) Kerala - Devakeralam (Chandra Kala Nadi), Chandra Nadi, Surya

Nadi.

3) Tamilnadu - Agasthya Nadi, Siva Nadi, Maha Siva Nadi, Kaka

Bhusunda Nadi, Bhrigu-Nandi Nadi and a host of others.

Bhrigu Samhitha and Devakeralam are available. Of them only

Devakeralam is in Sanskrit. (I don't know whether Bhrigu Samhitha is

of Sanskrit or Hindi origin). All Tamil Nadi texts are in Tamil

language. Some of them are published by the Oriental Research

Institute of Madras.

Except Devakeralam, almost all the other Nadi texts comprises of a

host of horoscopes with interpretation, and does not deal with the

laws of interpretation. You have to *interpret*, the *laws of

interpretation of horoscopes* from those Nadi texts!! (Except in the

case of Devakeralam).

Thank you for sharing some information about Tamil nadi texts.

 

After accepting these facts, consider the people who are trying to

find D-charts, and Transit in D-charts in Nadi texts. Do they know

Tamil? No!! They do not know Tamil and is wholly depending on

translations of these Nadi texts into English! Thus it becomes,

*interpreting*, the *laws of interpretation of horoscopes* form

*translations*!!!! Look, how absurd it looks!

Hmmmm.... interesting comment. I disagree with your charge that translations

should not be depended on.

Well, Sanskrit is

Deva-bhasha(Language of the Gods/superior) and all other(existing or

extinct) langauages/dialects are Paisachika(inferior)! If you(and I)

believe that Jyotisha is a vedanga(limb of the vedas) all Nadi texts

written in languages other than Sanskrit go right out the window! They

are of no use.

So, what is so

compelling a reason to learn Tamil to interpret those Nadi texts? learn

a paisachika language? paisachika text? for what?

(Note:- Readers,

please see the thrust of my point, I don't mean no disrespect to any

language/dialect or nadi text either in word or spirit)

Sri Sreenadh,

just beacause someone has translated some nadi text into some other

language doesn't make his/her work spurious or inferior. A gentleman in

this group had written an email(personally to me) talking of Sri CS

Patel's nearly 50 years of research into nadi astrology. So, going by

your yardstick of negating anything not retained and written in

original as dubious. I guess Sri CS Patel has wasted 50 years of his

life for the cause of astrolgy! Sri BV Raman has also wasted 50 years

in astrology by translating some classics into English?????

Sir, would you

apply the same yardstick if you were to write some

commentary/translation (lets says, Saravali) in English for the English

speaking world? Casting aspersions to translators genuine desire to

give the wider world hidden secrets of Nadi texts doesn't befit a man

of your scholarly stature.

 

Ask any Tamil astrologer, about D-charts. Can they authentically say

that Nadi texts speak about D-charts, and Transit in D-charts? NO. Can

they assure us that the astrologers of Tamilnadu follow D-charts and

Transit in D-charts? NO.

Again, just because someone doesn't

follow a particular line of thought is not a reason to deny or deride

other lines of thought!

Then How?! What right we have to misinterpret, create such *laws of

interpretation of horoscopes* form *translations*, by *interpreting*

Tamil Nadi texts which are in turn *interpretations* of horoscopes?!

Is it some kind of reverse engineering?! Some thing like finding the

black cat that is not at all present there in a dark room, by

conducting some investigations in day light?!!!

Why people are after Nadi texts to find D-charts and Transit in D-

charts? Because they are unseen by many, and you can create and give

propaganda to *our own pet theories* by saying that: Yes, they are

supported by the Nadi texts, "Since most of them are unaware of the

fact about what a Nadi text says"!!! Please note one more thing, if

there is any such reference in authentic classics, would it have been

necessary to search the Nadi texts for some proof? No! That means,

"NONE OF THE CLASSIC TEXTS ON ASTROLOGY SPEAK ABOUT D-CHARTS OR

TRANSIT IN D-CHARTS". Yes, that is why they run after the Nadi texts!!

Yes, clearly they are talking of

D-charts, transits in D-charts and aspects in D-Charts! If you want to

hold the view that "chandra amsha raashi" doesn't mean rasi "IN"

Navamsa that is fine with me. Why do you want to change mine? Why do

you want use your view point as a proselytzing tool? No, I am not

accusing you. I am just of the opinion that your view of the same sutra

is as much valid as mine. Is it that difficult to accept a different

view point?

 

(To prove that they are not ditching the Rishi Horas!!!)

Why bring in the

great Rishis here and talk of ones allegiance to a Rishi/ school of

thought? next what? allegiance to God? If you wish to have a serious

discussion please keep personal beliefs out of it. Let us stick to

astrology for now.

Rishis have given us whatever they

could in all their wisdom with a very simple message "sarve janaaH

sukhino bhavantu". Yet because of our lack of understanding, we are

raising a ruckus in the name of "correct interpretation". Why

attach such fatality? Sir, what exactly is "right" or "wrong" in occult

space? Some might argue occult itself is wrong!

warm regards,

Vishnu-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita

yena tasmai sri gurave namaha

[Guest guest]

I had asked you a question regarding your devakeralam shlok, and its traslation

 

I will send the question again

 

----

Namaste,

 

Thanks,

 

Where does it say the transit is in navansha. it talks about the sign occupied

by 8th lord or its trine in navansha. This can be read as sign occupied by the

8th lord in navansha,so lets say the 8th lord occupies aries in navansha, then

when shani transits aries, leo, dhanu ( trinal signs to aries). Why can we not

read it like that ?

-------

 

I would appreciate if you can comment on why the gochar has to be seen in

navansha.It seems that it should be seen in rashi.

 

....

On 11/10/05, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu > wrote:

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Sri Sreenadh,Namaste,

D-charts and Transit in D-charts: As per Tamil Nadi

texts?==========================================================

If you consider the whole of Nadi literature, 1 of them is of North Indian

origin, 3 of them are of Kerala origin and all others are of Tamil Origin. (May

be there could be some other Nadi texts as well which escaped my attention)

1) North India - Bhrigu Samhitha2) Kerala - Devakeralam (Chandra Kala

Nadi), Chandra Nadi, Surya Nadi.3) Tamilnadu - Agasthya Nadi, Siva Nadi,

Maha Siva Nadi, Kaka Bhusunda Nadi, Bhrigu-Nandi Nadi and a host of others.

Bhrigu Samhitha and Devakeralam are available. Of them only Devakeralam is in

Sanskrit. (I don't know whether Bhrigu Samhitha is of Sanskrit or Hindi

origin). All Tamil Nadi texts are in Tamil language. Some of them are published

by the Oriental Research Institute of Madras.Except Devakeralam, almost all the

other Nadi texts comprises of a host of horoscopes with interpretation, and

does not deal with the laws of interpretation. You have to *interpret*, the

*laws of interpretation of horoscopes* from those Nadi texts!! (Except in the

case of Devakeralam).

Thank you for sharing some information about Tamil nadi texts.

After accepting these facts, consider the people who are trying to find

D-charts, and Transit in D-charts in Nadi texts. Do they know Tamil? No!! They

do not know Tamil and is wholly depending on translations of these Nadi texts

into English! Thus it becomes, *interpreting*, the *laws of interpretation of

horoscopes* form *translations*!!!! Look, how absurd it looks!

Hmmmm.... interesting comment. I disagree with your charge that translations

should not be depended on.

Well, Sanskrit is Deva-bhasha(Language of the Gods/superior) and all

other(existing or extinct) langauages/dialects are Paisachika(inferior)! If

you(and I) believe that Jyotisha is a vedanga(limb of the vedas) all Nadi texts

written in languages other than Sanskrit go right out the window! They are of no

use.

So, what is so compelling a reason to learn Tamil to interpret those Nadi texts?

learn a paisachika language? paisachika text? for what?

(Note:- Readers, please see the thrust of my point, I don't mean no disrespect

to any language/dialect or nadi text either in word or spirit)

Sri Sreenadh, just beacause someone has translated some nadi text into some

other language doesn't make his/her work spurious or inferior. A gentleman in

this group had written an email(personally to me) talking of Sri CS Patel's

nearly 50 years of research into nadi astrology. So, going by your yardstick of

negating anything not retained and written in original as dubious. I guess Sri

CS Patel has wasted 50 years of his life for the cause of astrolgy! Sri BV

Raman has also wasted 50 years in astrology by translating some classics into

English?????

Sir, would you apply the same yardstick if you were to write some

commentary/translation (lets says, Saravali) in English for the English

speaking world? Casting aspersions to translators genuine desire to give the

wider world hidden secrets of Nadi texts doesn't befit a man of your scholarly

stature.

 

Ask any Tamil astrologer, about D-charts. Can they authentically say that Nadi

texts speak about D-charts, and Transit in D-charts? NO. Can they assure us that

the astrologers of Tamilnadu follow D-charts and Transit in D-charts? NO.

Again, just because someone doesn't follow a particular line of thought is not a

reason to deny or deride other lines of thought!

Then How?! What right we have to misinterpret, create such *laws of

interpretation of horoscopes* form *translations*, by *interpreting* Tamil Nadi

texts which are in turn *interpretations* of horoscopes?! Is it some kind of

reverse engineering?! Some thing like finding the black cat that is not at all

present there in a dark room, by conducting some investigations in day

light?!!!

Why people are after Nadi texts to find D-charts and Transit in D-charts?

Because they are unseen by many, and you can create and give propaganda to *our

own pet theories* by saying that: Yes, they are supported by the Nadi texts,

"Since most of them are unaware of the fact about what a Nadi text says"!!!

Please note one more thing, if there is any such reference in authentic

classics, would it have been necessary to search the Nadi texts for some proof?

No! That means, "NONE OF THE CLASSIC TEXTS ON ASTROLOGY SPEAK ABOUT D-CHARTS OR

TRANSIT IN D-CHARTS". Yes, that is why they run after the Nadi texts!!

Yes, clearly they are talking of D-charts, transits in D-charts and aspects in

D-Charts! If you want to hold the view that "chandra amsha raashi" doesn't mean

rasi "IN" Navamsa that is fine with me. Why do you want to change mine? Why do

you want use your view point as a proselytzing tool? No, I am not accusing you.

I am just of the opinion that your view of the same sutra is as much valid as

mine. Is it that difficult to accept a different view point?

(To prove that they are not ditching the Rishi Horas!!!)

Why bring in the great Rishis here and talk of ones allegiance to a Rishi/

school of thought? next what? allegiance to God? If you wish to have a serious

discussion please keep personal beliefs out of it. Let us stick to astrology

for now.

Rishis have given us whatever they could in all their wisdom with a very simple

message "sarve janaaH sukhino bhavantu". Yet because of our lack of

understanding, we are raising a ruckus in the name of "correct interpretation".

Why attach such fatality? Sir, what exactly is "right" or "wrong" in occult

space? Some might argue occult itself is wrong!

warm regards,Vishnu-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Pandit,

Apologies for the delay.

I went through the same questions as you do now. Frankly, interpreting

the sutra as transit in "rasi chart" to me sounds like reading a novel

to kill time, in other words, that is layman's interpretation of that

sutra.

Many classics talk of transits in Rasi w.r.t Moon! Why does this

particular sutra mention Navamsa? Why 8th lord? Why Sani transit

w.r.t 8th lord? Of course, there are many more sutras in this nadi. But

why Navamsa?

If you promote the 8th lord "amsa/amsa rasi" to rasi chart, what is the

difference between this and regular transits? You might think this is

w.r.t 8th lord! But, is that all it is? Same 2.5 yrs Sani transit, same

Jupiter 1year transit, same Rahu/Ketu 1.5 year transit? Things don't

quite gel, do they?

My understanding:-(you are welcome to disagree or agree)

-----------------------

Navamsa is Dharma amsa, it also is the phala/ fruit(good & bad).

Dharma, has a certainty associated with it. Do you disagree? Does

dharma fail? Is this why nadi texts are renowned for their accuracy?

One can only speculate!

Some differences between Rasi and Navamsa transits of Sani

-------------------------

Sani generally takes about 2.5 years per rasi, the results given in

various classics can happen anytime during this interval. Do you think

such huge timeframe is satisfactory? acceptable?

In navamsa, Sani generally takes 100 days or 3.3 months per navamsa.

Now imagine the accuracy narrowed down from 30 months(2.5 years) to 3

months, for Jupiter from 1 year to 30 days, with a caveat though, trine

to bhava lord(lord of house under consideration)! Why trine? Trine is

Lakshmi, blessings of abundance if Jupiter transit, wrath of Alakshmi

in the case of Sani transit.

Let me explain this further with two examples!

Chart 1:-

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|Me |

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|Mo

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Navamsa

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|-----------|

|-----------|

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D-9

| |

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|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

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|As

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+--------------+

Above is my navamsa with vargottama lagna with natal moon in Taurus. Hence, 8th

lord Merc is in Gemini.

Let me indicate 2 bad events, physical ailments that happened during the transit

of Sani over Gemini.

1) Hospitalised with severe indications of Flu. on Feb 1st, 2004.

Sani was at 13Ge29, ie., Aq navamsa, trine to Gemini(rasi of 8th lord).

2) Suffered slip-disk. January 17th, 2005. I am mentioning the day doctor

confirmed it was slip disk.

Sani was at 29Ge40 ie., Ge navamsa, conjunct 8th lord.

You might argue Sani was transiting 8th from natal lagna also I was under

sade-sathi, they are just coincidental!

Chart 2:-

+--------------+

|Me Ra

|Md

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|Mo |

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|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Ma

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Navamsa

| |

|-----------|

|-----------|

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D-9

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|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|As HL |Su

Ju |Ve Sa

|Ke |

|GL

|Gk

|AL

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+--------------+

Above native is Pisces lagna, Hence, 8th lord Venus is in Libra. This native

suffered a heart attack on June 24th, 1996.

Sani was at 13Pi06 ie., Li navamsa, conjunct 8th lord! However, if u

notice Jupiter was also transiting same navamsa, this native survived

the heart attack.

Try projecting Libra amsa to natal rashi chart and will you predict

heart attack with Saturn transiting 6th and Jupiter 3rd from Libra on

that day or maybe even during that year? Any classic that you read

extols Sani transit in the 6th! I have kept my analysis relevant to the

sutra I had quoted.

Finally, this is research in a very nascent stage, I could be totally wrong or

bang on correct! Who knows?

warm regards,

VishnuOn 11/10/05, Panditji <navagraha > wrote:

Namaste Vishnu ji,

 

I had asked you a question regarding your devakeralam shlok, and its traslation

 

I will send the question again

 

----

Namaste,

 

Thanks,

 

Where does it say the transit is in navansha. it talks about the

sign occupied by 8th lord or its trine in navansha. This can be read as

sign occupied by the 8th lord in navansha,so lets say the 8th lord

occupies aries in navansha, then when shani transits aries, leo, dhanu

( trinal signs to aries). Why can we not read it like that ?

-------

 

I would appreciate if you can comment on why the gochar has to be seen in

navansha.It seems that it should be seen in rashi.

 

....

-- Om Akhanda mandalaakaaramvyaptam yena charaa charamtatpadam darsita yena tasmai sri gurave namaha

[Guest guest]

Dear Venkatesh,

1. I test with ChandraHari Ayanamsa and Lahari Ayanamsa and year

lengths 3.2425 days and 360 days. Technically I appreciate Chandra

Hari Ayanamsa as it is based on Surya Sidhanta. And 360 days savana

year system, since it is stated in classics to follow the same for

desa calculations. But don't blindly follow anything. Test and come to

your own conclusion.

2. "Drishti is considered in D-charts, but in Navamsa varga they are

not." Yes. No only that D-charts are treated independently at times,

but Navamsa not. Navamsa is always treated in conjunction with Rasi

chart only, as far as the system prevalent in Kerala or Tamilnadu is

concerned. Hope, I got it right. "Many astrologers in Tamilnadu are

using the aspect in navamsa also". If here by the word 'aspect' you

combination (Yuthi) then, Yes, Yuthi in Navmsa is considered in Kerala

as well.

> 3. What ayanamsa they will use while dealing with Nadi texts?

> I don't think any.Do you know the vakya panchang is very famous in

> south tamilnadu also doesn't have ayanamsa.Vakya panchang is based

> upon poet by Iddaikattar for 60 tamil years.Do you know the

> Saturn,Jupiter and Rahu,Ketu transits celebrated in all the temples

> in tamilnadu based upon vakya panchang only.This transits by vakya

> panchang has many days differences with drik panchang.

Yes, all that information is correct. But please understand this as

well. The Vakyas used in Vakya Panchangas are created considering a

'Base Year' (probably a year near to life period of the author of that

Vakyas). If we calculate planetary longitudes based on those Vakyas we

could find out, the Ayanamsa used by them. (Therefore pleas don't

think that they didn't had an Ayanamsa. It is true that those who are

using Vakya Panchanga don't have to bother about Ayanamsa in their

calculations) If it again creates 'doubt' back to me in detail and I

will try to clarify it further.

 

But these mails between us may have helped many to understand the

absurdity in the arguments of D-chart followers to a great extend, I

hope.

You being an astrologer from Tamilnadu, I would humbly request you to

clarify the doubts of others: if concerning the use of Nadi system in

Tamilnadu is raised by any. It may help to de-mystify the propaganda

about, "D-chart and Transit in D-charts support in Tamil Nadi texts".

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

vedic astrology, Venkatesh S <ksvssvk>

wrote:

>

> |JAI SRIRAM|

> Dear Sreenath,

>

> 1.Which panchang or planetery system you are following? What is the

> reason?

>

> 2.Drishti is considered in D-charts, but in Navmsa varga they are

not

> Hope you get the point.

> Many astrologers in tamilnadu are using the aspect in navamsa also.

>

> 3. What ayanamsa they will use while dealing with Nadi texts?

> I don't think any.Do you know the vakya panchang is very famous in

> south tamilnadu also doesn't have ayanamsa.Vakya panchang is based

> upon poet by Iddaikattar for 60 tamil years.Do you know the

> Saturn,Jupiter and Rahu,Ketu transits celebrated in all the temples

> in tamilnadu based upon vakya panchang only.This transits by vakya

> panchang has many days differences with drik panchang.

>

> Thanks,

> S.Venkatesh

>

> --- Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

>

> > Dear Venkatesh,

> > You said it right!! Let us compare with my openion.

> > > 1.If you are looking into Tamil nadi leaves you could

> > > findout all the horoscopes from their is simillar to the

> > > planetery positions of Vakya panchang only.

> > > If you are following Nadi then did you accept

> > > drik or lahiri based planetery positions?

> > Good ! I agree.

> > > 2.You are saying astrologers from tamil nadu doesn't

> > > use D-charts.I hope all the astrologers in tamil nadu

> > > are using Navamsa extensively.

> > Yes, you are right. They use Navamsa not Navamsa chart. The use

of

> >

> > Navamsa or any other varga is not a proof for the use of D-charts.

> > I

> > mean *Charts* NOT Vargas. (By the way D-Charts are at times

> > interpreted indipendantly - as PVR puts it- but Vargas are looked

> > ONLY

> > in conjection with Natal chart. Drishti is considered in D-charts,

> > but

> > in Navmsa varga they are not Hope you get the point).

> > > 3.Through nadi is it possible to take the horoscopes for all the

> > > people in all over the world OR the nadi is for only for the

> > people

> > > in India OR for only for Tamil people? How many nadi leaves are

> > > available? Each leave for everyone means how many?

> > ) Yes. I agree. I know that Nadi for every one is not possible

> > and

> > not available.

> > > 4.Nadi remedies are different from vedic remedies.

> > > How many people are get benefit from that?

> > > Have you ever approach the nadi and the remedy

> > > have done as per their prescribtion and what is the result? Do

> > you

> > > know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,please inform me.

> > Yes. I agree! 4 points absolutely correct!!! So, my question is

> > then

> > why this people are looking for proofs for D-charts, and Transit

in

> > D-

> > chart in Tamil Nadi texts? Why they don't understand?!! If Nadi

> > system

> > and Vedic astrology system are totally different (not only in

> > remedies) then what is the point in making such a search?! This is

> > what I was trying to say all these days!!!

> >

> > Now coming to your last question:

> > > Do you know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,

> > > please inform me.

> > ) Dear Venkidesh, only the people who know about the *Nadi

> > readers* of 'Vaitheeswaram Coil' will understand the fun involved.

> > )

> > You said it right!!

> > But see, I am not talking about the current day nadi readers, but

> > about the manuscripts (on Agasthya nadi etc) published by the

> > Madras

> > Oriental research Library.

> > Do you know, once I went to "Vaitheeswaram coil", stayed there

> > fore 2

> > days and approached every Nadi reader, and easily understood the

> > logic

> > they employed in *Nadi reading*. It was fun!! You know what would

> > have

> > happened!! Every one was saying that all those manuscripts on Nadi

> > is

> > available on Saraswathy Mahal library and the like..I went to

> > Saraswathy Mahal and found that all that was a lie!!! But believe,

> > once that real system would have been there, as evident from the

> > manuscripts available in Madras Oriental Manuscript Library.

> > I reapeat all of you - look here, ask Venketesh to any other

Tamil

> >

> > astrologer about the Nadi system and Nadi texts. You will get some

> > good answers.

> > I would repeat the points put forward by you in my own words:

> > 1) What ayanamsa they will use while dealing with Nadi texts?

> > 2) In Tamilnadu Navamsa is in use, but not independent analysis

of

> >

> > the D-charts.

> > 3) Nadi system is not a perfect or complete system that helps us

> > to

> > know about the future of all the individuals in the world -

> > currently

> > it is almost totally correpted.

> > 4) Nadi system and Vedic astrology system are entirely different.

> > If

> > so what those stands for D-charts are going to prove, by searching

> > in

> > Nadi texts?

> > Thanks for giving that knowledge,

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > vedic astrology, Venkatesh S <ksvssvk>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > |JAI SRIRAM|

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > 1.If you are looking into Tamil nadi leaves you could findout

all

> >

> > the

> > > horoscopes from their is simillar to the planetery positions of

> > Vakya

> > > panchang only.If you are following Nadi then did you accept

> > > drik or lahiri based planetery positions?

> > >

> > > 2.You are saying astrologers from tamil nadu doesn't use

> > D-charts.I

> > > hope all the astrologers in tamil nadu are using Navamsa

> > extensively.

> > >

> > > 3.Through nadi is it possible to take the horoscopes for all the

> > > people in all over the world OR the nadi is for only for the

> > people

> > > in India OR for only for Tamil people? How many nadi leaves are

> > > available? Each leave for everyone means how many?

> > >

> > > 4.Nadi remedies are different from vedic remedies.How many

people

> >

> > are

> > > get benefit from that? Have you ever approach the nadi and the

> > remedy

> > > have done as per their prescribtion and what is the result? Do

> > you

> > > know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,please inform me.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > S.Venkatesh

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Somebody started that he will explain, Transit in D-charts

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > Nadi texts. Here are some facts, just to add up to your

> > > > understanding

> > > > of the subject.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > D-charts and Transit in D-charts: As per Tamil Nadi texts?

> > > > ==========================================================

> > > > If you consider the whole of Nadi literature, 1 of them is of

> > North

> > > >

> > > > Indian origin, 3 of them are of Kerala origin and all others

> > are

> > of

> > > >

> > > > Tamil Origin. (May be there could be some other Nadi texts as

> > well

> > > > which escaped my attention)

> > > > 1) North India - Bhrigu Samhitha

> > > > 2) Kerala - Devakeralam (Chandra Kala Nadi), Chandra Nadi,

> > Surya

> > > > Nadi.

> > > > 3) Tamilnadu - Agasthya Nadi, Siva Nadi, Maha Siva Nadi, Kaka

> > > > Bhusunda Nadi, Bhrigu-Nandi Nadi and a host of others.

> > > > Bhrigu Samhitha and Devakeralam are available. Of them only

> > > > Devakeralam is in Sanskrit. (I don't know whether Bhrigu

> > Samhitha

> > > > is

> > > > of Sanskrit or Hindi origin). All Tamil Nadi texts are in

Tamil

> >

> > > > language. Some of them are published by the Oriental Research

> > > > Institute of Madras.

> > > > Except Devakeralam, almost all the other Nadi texts comprises

> > of a

> > > > host of horoscopes with interpretation, and does not deal with

> > the

> > > > laws of interpretation. You have to *interpret*, the *laws of

> > > > interpretation of horoscopes* from those Nadi texts!! (Except

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > case of Devakeralam).

> > > > After accepting these facts, consider the people who are

> > trying

> > > > to

> > > > find D-charts, and Transit in D-charts in Nadi texts. Do they

> > know

> > > > Tamil? No!! They do not know Tamil and is wholly depending on

> > > > translations of these Nadi texts into English! Thus it

becomes,

> >

> > > > *interpreting*, the *laws of interpretation of horoscopes*

form

> >

> > > > *translations*!!!! Look, how absurd it looks!

> > > > Ask any Tamil astrologer, about D-charts. Can they

> > authentically

> > > > say

> > > > that Nadi texts speak about D-charts, and Transit in D-charts?

> > NO.

> > > > Can

> > > > they assure us that the astrologers of Tamilnadu follow

> > D-charts

> > > > and

> > > > Transit in D-charts? NO.

> > > > Then How?! What right we have to misinterpret, create such

> > *laws

> > > > of

> > > > interpretation of horoscopes* form *translations*, by

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

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Namaste Sreenadh,

chart only, as far as the system prevalent in Kerala or Tamilnadu is

concerned. Hope, I got it right. "Many astrologers in Tamilnadu are

using the aspect in navamsa also". If here by the word 'aspect' you

combination (Yuthi) then, Yes, Yuthi in Navmsa is considered in Kerala

as well.

Instead calling "Tamilnadu Astrology" and "Kerala astrology" can you

please refer by the Rishi's text (My jyotish may soon be called as

Washington Jyotish? ). The regional division of Jyotish is not helpful

academically. Even within Region there maybe so many

variations. And knowing about regional variations in Not All

helpful for Jyotish Study.

So can we just refer the Rishi names for references and justification of arguments.

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay ji,

"D-charts and Transit in D-charts" are "not at all discussed in Rishi

Horas"!!! That is why those people who are giving propaganda to this

system is turning to Nadi texts of Kerala and Tamilnadu. That is why a

discussion of the same becomes necessary! Yes, I am also against any

kind of regionalizing in astrology.

> can you please refer by the Rishi's text

Thanks for that support!!!! I was asking the same to all these

after D-charts for the last many days.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, Sanjay Prabhakaran

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Namaste Sreenadh,

>

>

> chart only, as far as the system prevalent in Kerala or Tamilnadu is

> > concerned. Hope, I got it right. "Many astrologers in Tamilnadu

are

> > using the aspect in navamsa also". If here by the word 'aspect'

you

> > combination (Yuthi) then, Yes, Yuthi in Navmsa is considered in

Kerala

> > as well.

> >

>

> Instead calling "Tamilnadu Astrology" and "Kerala astrology" can you

please

> refer by the Rishi's text (My jyotish may soon be called as

Washington

> Jyotish? ). The regional division of Jyotish is not helpful

academically.

> Even within Region there maybe so many variations. And knowing about

> regional variations in Not All helpful for Jyotish Study.

>

> So can we just refer the Rishi names for references and

justification of

> arguments.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh,

 

So what happened to those examples? Its just as I thought ... all

theory ... all preaching and no practice !

 

-Narayan

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sanjay ji,

> "D-charts and Transit in D-charts" are "not at all discussed in

Rishi

> Horas"!!! That is why those people who are giving propaganda to

this

> system is turning to Nadi texts of Kerala and Tamilnadu. That is

why a

> discussion of the same becomes necessary! Yes, I am also against

any

> kind of regionalizing in astrology.

> > can you please refer by the Rishi's text

> Thanks for that support!!!! I was asking the same to all these

> after D-charts for the last many days.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, Sanjay Prabhakaran

> <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Namaste Sreenadh,

> >

> >

> > chart only, as far as the system prevalent in Kerala or

Tamilnadu is

> > > concerned. Hope, I got it right. "Many astrologers in

Tamilnadu

> are

> > > using the aspect in navamsa also". If here by the

word 'aspect'

> you

> > > combination (Yuthi) then, Yes, Yuthi in Navmsa is considered

in

> Kerala

> > > as well.

> > >

> >

> > Instead calling "Tamilnadu Astrology" and "Kerala astrology" can

you

> please

> > refer by the Rishi's text (My jyotish may soon be called as

> Washington

> > Jyotish? ). The regional division of Jyotish is not helpful

> academically.

> > Even within Region there maybe so many variations. And knowing

about

> > regional variations in Not All helpful for Jyotish Study.

> >

> > So can we just refer the Rishi names for references and

> justification of

> > arguments.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Iyer ji,

Wait.....You cannot have them so easily!!...You should remember that

ROM was not built in a day!!!.... By the way, I am a really

"practicing astrologer", not someone doing "pastime" in astrology!!

Before you see what I have, let me see what you have!!! It is my

freedom, Is it not?......)

It is becoming a great joy to be a member of this forum!! I think you

will agree to that. ).

By the way, there are so many discussions going along side, like

'Transit in D-charts' etc, are you not interested in them?!!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer" <jaimini.

upadesa@g...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> So what happened to those examples? Its just as I thought ... all

> theory ... all preaching and no practice !

>

> -Narayan

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sanjay ji,

> > "D-charts and Transit in D-charts" are "not at all discussed in

> Rishi

> > Horas"!!! That is why those people who are giving propaganda to

> this

> > system is turning to Nadi texts of Kerala and Tamilnadu. That is

> why a

> > discussion of the same becomes necessary! Yes, I am also against

> any

> > kind of regionalizing in astrology.

> > > can you please refer by the Rishi's text

> > Thanks for that support!!!! I was asking the same to all these

> > after D-charts for the last many days.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > vedic astrology, Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Namaste Sreenadh,

> > >

> > >

> > > chart only, as far as the system prevalent in Kerala or

> Tamilnadu is

> > > > concerned. Hope, I got it right. "Many astrologers in

> Tamilnadu

> > are

> > > > using the aspect in navamsa also". If here by the

> word 'aspect'

> > you

> > > > combination (Yuthi) then, Yes, Yuthi in Navmsa is considered

> in

> > Kerala

> > > > as well.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Instead calling "Tamilnadu Astrology" and "Kerala astrology" can

> you

> > please

> > > refer by the Rishi's text (My jyotish may soon be called as

> > Washington

> > > Jyotish? ). The regional division of Jyotish is not helpful

> > academically.

> > > Even within Region there maybe so many variations. And knowing

> about

> > > regional variations in Not All helpful for Jyotish Study.

> > >

> > > So can we just refer the Rishi names for references and

> > justification of

> > > arguments.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> >

>

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|JAI SRIRAM|

Dear Sreenadh,

 

1. I tested with Chandra hari ayanamsa it shows unbeliveable

longitude for Sun comparing to Vakya and Drik.I think that Vakya and

Drik has correct longitude for Sun.For example tommorrow is an new

tamil year Chaitra,then Sun must be in Aries.This is perfect based on

Vakya and Drik,but according to Chandra hari ayanamsa Sun will take

one more day to go to Aries.How is it possible?

 

2.If i give you planetary longitudes based on Vakyas,shall you find

out the Vakya ayanamsa?

 

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh

 

--- Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

 

> Dear Venkatesh,

> 1. I test with ChandraHari Ayanamsa and Lahari Ayanamsa and year

> lengths 3.2425 days and 360 days. Technically I appreciate Chandra

> Hari Ayanamsa as it is based on Surya Sidhanta. And 360 days savana

>

> year system, since it is stated in classics to follow the same for

> desa calculations. But don't blindly follow anything. Test and come

> to

> your own conclusion.

> 2. "Drishti is considered in D-charts, but in Navamsa varga they

> are

> not." Yes. No only that D-charts are treated independently at

> times,

> but Navamsa not. Navamsa is always treated in conjunction with Rasi

>

> chart only, as far as the system prevalent in Kerala or Tamilnadu

> is

> concerned. Hope, I got it right. "Many astrologers in Tamilnadu are

>

> using the aspect in navamsa also". If here by the word 'aspect' you

>

> combination (Yuthi) then, Yes, Yuthi in Navmsa is considered in

> Kerala

> as well.

> > 3. What ayanamsa they will use while dealing with Nadi texts?

> > I don't think any.Do you know the vakya panchang is very famous

> in

> > south tamilnadu also doesn't have ayanamsa.Vakya panchang is

> based

> > upon poet by Iddaikattar for 60 tamil years.Do you know the

> > Saturn,Jupiter and Rahu,Ketu transits celebrated in all the

> temples

> > in tamilnadu based upon vakya panchang only.This transits by

> vakya

> > panchang has many days differences with drik panchang.

> Yes, all that information is correct. But please understand this

> as

> well. The Vakyas used in Vakya Panchangas are created considering a

>

> 'Base Year' (probably a year near to life period of the author of

> that

> Vakyas). If we calculate planetary longitudes based on those Vakyas

> we

> could find out, the Ayanamsa used by them. (Therefore pleas don't

> think that they didn't had an Ayanamsa. It is true that those who

> are

> using Vakya Panchanga don't have to bother about Ayanamsa in their

> calculations) If it again creates 'doubt' back to me in detail and

> I

> will try to clarify it further.

>

> But these mails between us may have helped many to understand the

> absurdity in the arguments of D-chart followers to a great extend,

> I

> hope.

> You being an astrologer from Tamilnadu, I would humbly request you

> to

> clarify the doubts of others: if concerning the use of Nadi system

> in

> Tamilnadu is raised by any. It may help to de-mystify the

> propaganda

> about, "D-chart and Transit in D-charts support in Tamil Nadi

> texts".

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> vedic astrology, Venkatesh S <ksvssvk>

> wrote:

> >

> > |JAI SRIRAM|

> > Dear Sreenath,

> >

> > 1.Which panchang or planetery system you are following? What is

> the

> > reason?

> >

> > 2.Drishti is considered in D-charts, but in Navmsa varga they are

>

> not

> > Hope you get the point.

> > Many astrologers in tamilnadu are using the aspect in navamsa

> also.

> >

> > 3. What ayanamsa they will use while dealing with Nadi texts?

> > I don't think any.Do you know the vakya panchang is very famous

> in

> > south tamilnadu also doesn't have ayanamsa.Vakya panchang is

> based

> > upon poet by Iddaikattar for 60 tamil years.Do you know the

> > Saturn,Jupiter and Rahu,Ketu transits celebrated in all the

> temples

> > in tamilnadu based upon vakya panchang only.This transits by

> vakya

> > panchang has many days differences with drik panchang.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > S.Venkatesh

> >

> > --- Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Venkatesh,

> > > You said it right!! Let us compare with my openion.

> > > > 1.If you are looking into Tamil nadi leaves you could

> > > > findout all the horoscopes from their is simillar to the

> > > > planetery positions of Vakya panchang only.

> > > > If you are following Nadi then did you accept

> > > > drik or lahiri based planetery positions?

> > > Good ! I agree.

> > > > 2.You are saying astrologers from tamil nadu doesn't

> > > > use D-charts.I hope all the astrologers in tamil nadu

> > > > are using Navamsa extensively.

> > > Yes, you are right. They use Navamsa not Navamsa chart. The

> use

> of

> > >

> > > Navamsa or any other varga is not a proof for the use of

> D-charts.

> > > I

> > > mean *Charts* NOT Vargas. (By the way D-Charts are at times

> > > interpreted indipendantly - as PVR puts it- but Vargas are

> looked

> > > ONLY

> > > in conjection with Natal chart. Drishti is considered in

> D-charts,

> > > but

> > > in Navmsa varga they are not Hope you get the point).

> > > > 3.Through nadi is it possible to take the horoscopes for all

> the

> > > > people in all over the world OR the nadi is for only for the

> > > people

> > > > in India OR for only for Tamil people? How many nadi leaves

> are

> > > > available? Each leave for everyone means how many?

> > > ) Yes. I agree. I know that Nadi for every one is not

> possible

> > > and

> > > not available.

> > > > 4.Nadi remedies are different from vedic remedies.

> > > > How many people are get benefit from that?

> > > > Have you ever approach the nadi and the remedy

> > > > have done as per their prescribtion and what is the result?

> Do

> > > you

> > > > know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,please inform me.

> > > Yes. I agree! 4 points absolutely correct!!! So, my question

> is

> > > then

> > > why this people are looking for proofs for D-charts, and

> Transit

> in

> > > D-

> > > chart in Tamil Nadi texts? Why they don't understand?!! If Nadi

> > > system

> > > and Vedic astrology system are totally different (not only in

> > > remedies) then what is the point in making such a search?! This

> is

> > > what I was trying to say all these days!!!

> > >

> > > Now coming to your last question:

> > > > Do you know any best nadi astrologer in Tamilnadu,

> > > > please inform me.

> > > ) Dear Venkidesh, only the people who know about the *Nadi

> > > readers* of 'Vaitheeswaram Coil' will understand the fun

> involved.

> > > )

> > > You said it right!!

> > > But see, I am not talking about the current day nadi readers,

> but

> > > about the manuscripts (on Agasthya nadi etc) published by the

> > > Madras

> > > Oriental research Library.

> > > Do you know, once I went to "Vaitheeswaram coil", stayed there

> > > fore 2

> > > days and approached every Nadi reader, and easily understood

> the

> > > logic

> > > they employed in *Nadi reading*. It was fun!! You know what

> would

> > > have

> > > happened!! Every one was saying that all those manuscripts on

> Nadi

> > > is

> > > available on Saraswathy Mahal library and the like..I went to

> > > Saraswathy Mahal and found that all that was a lie!!! But

> believe,

> > > once that real system would have been there, as evident from

> the

> > > manuscripts available in Madras Oriental Manuscript Library.

> > > I reapeat all of you - look here, ask Venketesh to any other

> Tamil

> > >

> > > astrologer about the Nadi system and Nadi texts. You will get

> some

> > > good answers.

> > > I would repeat the points put forward by you in my own words:

> > > 1) What ayanamsa they will use while dealing with Nadi texts?

> > > 2) In Tamilnadu Navamsa is in use, but not independent

> analysis

> of

> > >

>

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ashaSreenadh <> wrote:

Dear Iyer ji,Wait.....You cannot have them so easily!!...You should remember

that ROM was not built in a day!!!.... By the way, I am a really "practicing

astrologer", not someone doing "pastime" in astrology!! Before you see what I

have, let me see what you have!!! It is my freedom, Is it not?......)It is

becoming a great joy to be a member of this forum!! I think you will agree to

that. ).By the way, there are so many discussions going along side, like

'Transit in D-charts' etc, are you not interested in them?!!Love,Sreenadh--- In

vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer" <jaimini.upadesa@g...>

wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh,> > So what happened to those examples? Its just as I

thought ... all > theory ... all preaching and no practice !> > -Narayan>

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid> > wrote:>

>> > Dear Sanjay ji,> > "D-charts and Transit in D-charts" are "not at all

discussed in > Rishi > > Horas"!!! That is why those people who are giving

propaganda to > this > > system is turning to Nadi texts of Kerala and

Tamilnadu. That is > why a > > discussion of the same becomes necessary! Yes, I

am also against > any > > kind of regionalizing in astrology.> > > can you

please refer by the Rishi's text> > Thanks for that support!!!! I was

asking the same to all these > > after D-charts for the last many days. > >

Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > vedic astrology, Sanjay

Prabhakaran > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:> > >> > >

|| Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > Namaste Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > chart only,

as far as the system prevalent in Kerala or > Tamilnadu is> > > > concerned.

Hope, I got it right. "Many astrologers in > Tamilnadu > > are> > > > using the

aspect in navamsa also". If here by the > word 'aspect' > > you> > > >

combination (Yuthi) then, Yes, Yuthi in Navmsa is considered > in > > Kerala> >

> > as well.> > > >> > > > > > Instead calling "Tamilnadu Astrology" and "Kerala

astrology" can > you > > please> > > refer by the Rishi's text (My jyotish may

soon be called as > > Washington> > > Jyotish? ). The regional division of

Jyotish is not helpful > > academically.> > > Even within Region

there maybe so many variations. And knowing > about> > > regional variations in

Not All helpful for Jyotish Study.> > > > > > So can we just refer the Rishi

names for references and > > justification of> > > arguments.> > > > > > Warm

Regards> > > Sanjay P> > >> >>

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Dear Vishnu

 

You really did agood job.

 

Thanks for backing up your point by Examples, as examples are the real

proof of any point.

 

Thanks and best regards

 

Amer

 

vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu@g...

> wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Sri Pandit,

>

> Apologies for the delay.

>

> I went through the same questions as you do now. Frankly,

interpreting the

> sutra as transit in "rasi chart" to me sounds like reading a novel

to kill

> time, in other words, that is layman's interpretation of that sutra.

>

> Many classics talk of transits in Rasi w.r.t Moon! Why does this

particular

> sutra mention Navamsa? Why 8th lord? Why Sani transit w.r.t 8th

lord? Of

> course, there are many more sutras in this nadi. But why Navamsa?

>

> If you promote the 8th lord "amsa/amsa rasi" to rasi chart, what is

the

> difference between this and regular transits? You might think this

is

> w.r.t8th lord! But, is that all it is? Same

> 2.5 yrs Sani transit, same Jupiter 1year transit, same Rahu/Ketu 1.5

year

> transit? Things don't quite gel, do they?

>

> My understanding:-(you are welcome to disagree or agree)

> -----------------------

>

> Navamsa is Dharma amsa, it also is the phala/ fruit(good & bad).

Dharma, has

> a certainty associated with it. Do you disagree? Does dharma fail?

Is this

> why nadi texts are renowned for their accuracy? One can only

speculate!

>

> Some differences between Rasi and Navamsa transits of Sani

> -------------------------

>

> Sani generally takes about 2.5 years per rasi, the results given in

various

> classics can happen anytime during this interval. Do you think such

huge

> timeframe is satisfactory? acceptable?

>

> In navamsa, Sani generally takes 100 days or 3.3 months per navamsa.

Now

> imagine the accuracy narrowed down from 30 months(2.5 years) to 3

months,

> for Jupiter from 1 year to 30 days, with a caveat though, trine to

bhava

> lord(lord of house under consideration)! Why trine? Trine is

Lakshmi,

> blessings of abundance if Jupiter transit, wrath of Alakshmi in the

case of

> Sani transit.

>

> Let me explain this further with two examples!

>

>

> Chart 1:-

>

> +--------------+

> | | | |Me |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Mo | | |

> | | | |

> | | Navamsa | |

> |-----------| |-----------|

> | | D-9 | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | |As | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

>

> Above is my navamsa with vargottama lagna with natal moon in Taurus.

Hence,

> 8th lord Merc is in Gemini.

>

> Let me indicate 2 bad events, physical ailments that happened during

the

> transit of Sani over Gemini.

>

> 1) Hospitalised with severe indications of Flu. on Feb 1st, 2004.

>

> Sani was at 13Ge29, ie., Aq navamsa, trine to Gemini(rasi of 8th

lord).

>

> 2) Suffered slip-disk. January 17th, 2005. I am mentioning the day

doctor

> confirmed it was slip disk.

>

> Sani was at 29Ge40 ie., Ge navamsa, conjunct 8th lord.

>

> You might argue Sani was transiting 8th from natal lagna also I was

under

> sade-sathi, they are just coincidental!

>

>

> Chart 2:-

>

> +--------------+

> |Me Ra |Md | |Mo |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Ma | | |

> | | | |

> | | Navamsa | |

> |-----------| |-----------|

> | | D-9 | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |As HL |Su Ju |Ve Sa |Ke |

> |GL |Gk |AL | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> Above native is Pisces lagna, Hence, 8th lord Venus is in Libra.

This native

> suffered a heart attack on June 24th, 1996.

>

> Sani was at 13Pi06 ie., Li navamsa, conjunct 8th lord! However, if u

notice

> Jupiter was also transiting same navamsa, this native survived the

heart

> attack.

>

> Try projecting Libra amsa to natal rashi chart and will you predict

heart

> attack with Saturn transiting 6th and Jupiter 3rd from Libra on that

day or

> maybe even during that year? Any classic that you read extols Sani

transit

> in the 6th! I have kept my analysis relevant to the sutra I had

quoted.

>

> Finally, this is research in a very nascent stage, I could be

totally wrong

> or bang on correct! Who knows?

>

>

> warm regards,

> Vishnu

>

> On 11/10/05, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Vishnu ji,

> > I had asked you a question regarding your devakeralam shlok, and

its

> > traslation

> > I will send the question again

> > ----

> > Namaste,

> > Thanks,

> > Where does it say the transit is in navansha. it talks about the

sign

> > occupied by 8th lord or its trine in navansha. This can be read as

sign

> > occupied by the 8th lord in navansha,so lets say the 8th lord

occupies aries

> > in navansha, then when shani transits aries, leo, dhanu ( trinal

signs to

> > aries). Why can we not read it like that ?

> > -------

> > I would appreciate if you can comment on why the gochar has to be

seen in

> > navansha.It seems that it should be seen in rashi.

> > ...

> >

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> Om Akhanda mandalaakaaram

> vyaptam yena charaa charam

> tatpadam darsita yena

> tasmai sri gurave namaha

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