Few Observations..of the Happenings in this forum. [and other jyotish fora]

November 9, 2005

Dear Akashji/avbhat2005ji,

Since the moderators have not expunged your message as you wrongly

feared I am tempted to probe a bit further regarding your

observations. Just to clear the air, first, I am not associated with

SJC in any way, other than admiring the work done by some of its

members and senior representatives, some of whose work goes back to

the best of my understanding before they were associated with SJC,

indeed perhpas from even before SJC was formed (some I know since mid

nineties).

Why do you think this phenomenon of so much repressed anger coming

out over the last couple of months or so, not just on this list but

several other jyotish lists? I also follow a few non-jyotish lists

(mostly science related) and there is no similar phenomenon there. So

we cannot blame it on mars or jupiter or whatever else is happening

in transits. Yet it is curious that it is affecting jyotishis, but

not others, including western astrologers (though I sample more

jyotishis than tropical astrologers so could be a sampling bias).

Why, dear fellow-astrologers??

RR

vedic astrology, "baksh5" <avbhat2005>

wrote:

>

> Om Namh! Shivaya!

>

> Respected and Learned members of this group.

>

> Moderators you are free to expunge this message.

>

> I have been observing for quite some time the nature and pattern of

> discussions happening in this group. Excellent discussions are

> happening w.r.t Vargas/Divisional charts, Sandhi shanti etc...

which

> is helping students like me in the field of astrology.

>

> But the disturbing point what I noticed is, when certain pointed

> questions are asked, the responders ( can be SJC Guru or anybody

> else) take a defensive attitude and always take the step of exit

> from the discussion or the group.

>

> The latest instance of such a case is from Sri Ramadoss. Everybody

> knows he is a well respected and a learned scholar/astrologer. So

as

> soon as a person asks a detail about Sandhi Shanti, Sri Ramadoss

> says he is turning to spirituality and leaving Jyotisha. It may be

a

> personal choice for Sri Ramadoss, but the timing seemed a bit

> inappropriate for me.

>

> Another instance is of Mr. Surya Rao. He also seems to be a great

> scholar of astrology but his latest outbursts against Sri. PVR

> seemed unwarranted. This is not my call. But I felt it was

> unnecessary.

>

> Another instance is of Mr.Partha who being a SJC guru left his

group

> in a huff!.

>

> Another instance is of Mr. Utpal. He was having very good

> discussions but suddenly felt that he needs to leave this group and

> pursue his other matters.

>

> In all this I felt Sri. Rath and Sri. PVR, Pradeep, Sreenadh and

> couple of other learned members stood their ground and tried to

> clarify the doubts raised and presented their thoughts.

>

> This is an open forum and has the biggest disadvantage that un-

> identified people can come and say whatever derogatory remarks they

> want and scoot without any remorse.

>

> The only point I would like to make is, "Students like me are

> missing the learnings/gyan of astrology in this forum due to exit

of

> gurus/scholars from this group". An earnest request to all is to

> continue with the great discussions and predictions being given in

> this forum from one and all.

>

> With Regards

> /Akash..

>

November 9, 2005

om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Rohini Ranjan Ji

Your voice has always been the most balanced one, the calm one and CRYSTAL clear

one...since the mid nineties. Thanks for this beautiful balance. Your presence

here is a blessing to the VA list and Narasimha...please keep the good wishes

flowing.

As usual your words are an eye opener...had missed the trend.With best wishes

and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B Gangaram Hospital

Road New Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162* * *

-

rohiniranjan

vedic astrology

Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:56 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Few Observations..of the Happenings in this

forum. [and other jyotish fora]

Dear Akashji/avbhat2005ji,Since the moderators have not expunged your message as

you wrongly feared I am tempted to probe a bit further regarding your

observations. Just to clear the air, first, I am not associated with SJC in any

way, other than admiring the work done by some of its members and senior

representatives, some of whose work goes back to the best of my understanding

before they were associated with SJC, indeed perhpas from even before SJC was

formed (some I know since mid nineties).Why do you think this phenomenon of so

much repressed anger coming out over the last couple of months or so, not just

on this list but several other jyotish lists? I also follow a few non-jyotish

lists (mostly science related) and there is no similar phenomenon there. So we

cannot blame it on mars or jupiter or whatever else is happening in transits.

Yet it is curious that it is affecting jyotishis, but not others, including

western astrologers (though I sample more jyotishis than tropical astrologers

so could be a sampling bias).Why, dear fellow-astrologers??RR --- In

vedic astrology, "baksh5" <avbhat2005> wrote:>> Om Namh!

Shivaya!> > Respected and Learned members of this group.> > Moderators you are

free to expunge this message. > > I have been observing for quite some time the

nature and pattern of > discussions happening in this group. Excellent

discussions are > happening w.r.t Vargas/Divisional charts, Sandhi shanti

etc... which > is helping students like me in the field of astrology.> > But

the disturbing point what I noticed is, when certain pointed > questions are

asked, the responders ( can be SJC Guru or anybody > else) take a defensive

attitude and always take the step of exit > from the discussion or the group.>

> The latest instance of such a case is from Sri Ramadoss. Everybody > knows he

is a well respected and a learned scholar/astrologer. So as > soon as a person

asks a detail about Sandhi Shanti, Sri Ramadoss > says he is turning to

spirituality and leaving Jyotisha. It may be a > personal choice for Sri

Ramadoss, but the timing seemed a bit > inappropriate for me.> > Another

instance is of Mr. Surya Rao. He also seems to be a great > scholar of

astrology but his latest outbursts against Sri. PVR > seemed unwarranted. This

is not my call. But I felt it was > unnecessary.> > Another instance is of

Mr.Partha who being a SJC guru left his group > in a huff!.> > Another instance

is of Mr. Utpal. He was having very good > discussions but suddenly felt that he

needs to leave this group and > pursue his other matters.> > In all this I felt

Sri. Rath and Sri. PVR, Pradeep, Sreenadh and > couple of other learned members

stood their ground and tried to > clarify the doubts raised and presented their

thoughts.> > This is an open forum and has the biggest disadvantage that un->

identified people can come and say whatever derogatory remarks they > want and

scoot without any remorse.> > The only point I would like to make is, "Students

like me are > missing the learnings/gyan of astrology in this forum due to exit

of > gurus/scholars from this group". An earnest request to all is to >

continue with the great discussions and predictions being given in > this forum

from one and all.> > With Regards> /Akash..>------------------------

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November 9, 2005

Dear Ranjan,

Thanks for the thoughts. Just a couple of quick thoughts based on my personal views.

The field of Jyotish is undergoing a transformation for sometime now. Sri KN Rao

brought one wave of revolution in 1990's. He kicked off the long process of

renaissance. Now, a lot of hidden knowledge is coming out and people are

seriously discussing BPHS, Jaimini Sutram etc. As I see it, the next quantum

leap that is an integral part of the ongoing Jyotish renaissance started a few

years back. As a part of this, some good knowledge and some bad knowledge

becomes common place. Some people try to resist the change. Some people try to

change its direction. People start thinking about the basic issues.

Several schools of thought are entering the chruning for Truth, which will

continue for 2-3 decades to come. They will all contribute to the on-going

process of renaissance. During the transformation time, this will seem like

chaos. But this is quite necessary for Truth to come out. Various brawls we see

on various Jyotish lists from time to time are a sign of just this.

Some people have a scholarly and mature way of dealing with this chaos and

contributing to the churning process. Some hot-blooded people unfortunately get

carried away and become impatient and violent. That's unfortunate, but they too

will learn with experience. I too was hot-blooded. First I learnt faking

humility. Then it slowly changed into genuine humility within myself. If I

could change, anybody could.

But I am confident that a lot of genuine and correct knowledge will come out of

all this churning in the next 20-30 years. I am quite confident of that.

To see the evolution of Jyotish knowledge in society, look at Jupiter-Ketu

conjunctions. Study the rasi and chaturvimsamsa in which they occurred in the

last several decades!

I predict that 2020-2026 will be a period when the floodgates of Jyotish

knowledge will open. Just as I finished writing this line, there was huge

lightening outside the window on the east and a really really bright light and

a thunder too. I take it as a favorable omen for what I wrote...

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear Akashji/avbhat2005ji,> > Since the moderators have not expunged your

message as you wrongly > feared I am tempted to probe a bit further regarding

your > observations. Just to clear the air, first, I am not associated with >

SJC in any way, other than admiring the work done by some of its > members and

senior representatives, some of whose work goes back to > the best of my

understanding before they were associated with SJC, > indeed perhpas from even

before SJC was formed (some I know since mid > nineties).> > Why do you think

this phenomenon of so much repressed anger coming > out over the last couple of

months or so, not just on this list but > several other jyotish lists? I also

follow a few non-jyotish lists > (mostly science related) and there is no

similar phenomenon there. So > we cannot blame it on mars or jupiter or

whatever else is happening > in transits. Yet it is curious that it is

affecting jyotishis, but > not others, including western astrologers (though I

sample more > jyotishis than tropical astrologers so could be a sampling

bias).> > Why, dear fellow-astrologers??> > RR> > > --- In

vedic astrology, "baksh5" <avbhat2005> > wrote:> >> > Om

Namh! Shivaya!> > > > Respected and Learned members of this group.> > > >

Moderators you are free to expunge this message. > > > > I have been observing

for quite some time the nature and pattern of > > discussions happening in this

group. Excellent discussions are > > happening w.r.t Vargas/Divisional charts,

Sandhi shanti etc... > which > > is helping students like me in the field of

astrology.> > > > But the disturbing point what I noticed is, when certain

pointed > > questions are asked, the responders ( can be SJC Guru or anybody >

> else) take a defensive attitude and always take the step of exit > > from the

discussion or the group.> > > > The latest instance of such a case is from Sri

Ramadoss. Everybody > > knows he is a well respected and a learned

scholar/astrologer. So > as > > soon as a person asks a detail about Sandhi

Shanti, Sri Ramadoss > > says he is turning to spirituality and leaving

Jyotisha. It may be > a > > personal choice for Sri Ramadoss, but the timing

seemed a bit > > inappropriate for me.> > > > Another instance is of Mr. Surya

Rao. He also seems to be a great > > scholar of astrology but his latest

outbursts against Sri. PVR > > seemed unwarranted. This is not my call. But I

felt it was > > unnecessary.> > > > Another instance is of Mr.Partha who being

a SJC guru left his > group > > in a huff!.> > > > Another instance is of Mr.

Utpal. He was having very good > > discussions but suddenly felt that he needs

to leave this group and > > pursue his other matters.> > > > In all this I felt

Sri. Rath and Sri. PVR, Pradeep, Sreenadh and > > couple of other learned

members stood their ground and tried to > > clarify the doubts raised and

presented their thoughts.> > > > This is an open forum and has the biggest

disadvantage that un-> > identified people can come and say whatever derogatory

remarks they > > want and scoot without any remorse.> > > > The only point I

would like to make is, "Students like me are > > missing the learnings/gyan of

astrology in this forum due to exit > of > > gurus/scholars from this group".

An earnest request to all is to > > continue with the great discussions and

predictions being given in > > this forum from one and all.> > > > With

Regards> > /Akash..

November 10, 2005

Whoa !!!!

Dont worry akash you are not alone in feeling this way. It is a pity that

your specific concerns were not addressed but a reply praising the reply

(way off mark)to your post was very quick. I amazed at such speeds which

were very rare on controversial topics lately ( i mean where many posts

were done).

Iam glad as at least i understood the core of the issue raised by you which

was definitely not about some phenomenon of Mars or Jupiter but some seniors

side stepping and regular contributors getting disgruntled.

As is the case this time with replies to your post, i feel that it would be

more encouraging to look into a budding students concerns than patting an

subject collegue.

----Original Message Follows----

"Sanjay Rath" <guruji

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Few Observations..of the Happenings in

this forum. [and other jyotish fora]

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:10:47 +0530

om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

Dear Rohini Ranjan Ji

Your voice has always been the most balanced one, the calm one and CRYSTAL

clear one...since the mid nineties. Thanks for this beautiful balance. Your

presence here is a blessing to the VA list and Narasimha...please keep the

good wishes flowing.

As usual your words are an eye opener...had missed the trend.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

* * *

-

rohiniranjan

vedic astrology

Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:56 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Few Observations..of the Happenings in