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Hi,

 

Without Prejudice

 

Let me humbly submit that, I am not very well learned astrologer in

thsi forum and read astrology with very open mind. Since, this

thread is participated by very learned members, my brief submission

sould not be contrued in argumentary sense.

 

The issue of divisional transit is quite interesting and thought

provoking too. Whether classics back it or not, is not the major

issue (though Deva Keralam has used this very distinctly and am

sure, must be having more references available).

 

Referring to classics - they do not work in true sense. for example -

at some stage of our civilization (the age when jyotish is

originated), the social values were different. For example - long

distant journey was considered painful period of life, whereas in

modern age foreign journey has positive interpretations. Likewise,

the wealth was joint and was always related to family, and in modern

age individuality has changed the definition of wealth; so is the

interpretations relating to many more day to day issues. Yes,

fundamentally, the planets, their houses, karkatava... and so many

parameters remain same with wider and many a times different

interpretations. So, we must be open to different interpretation

model and must not reject the model, just because, old classicl text

have not eleborated this.

 

Also, in my opinion, earlier days, most of these classical texts

were passed in gurukulas orally and not necessarily, what we read

are the comprehensive literture.

 

The ONLY test of any technique, can be the prediction there with.

There can be multiple (and may be overlapping) models to look into

micro analysis - e.g. nakshatra, divisional charts, KP etc. All

these theories help in drilling down the interpretation. and if so,

these drilled down micro analysis are not supportive to macro (or

say generalized) readings, but often are conclusive. Yes, it is true

that, these tehnique might require some fine tuning, but it is

always the discretion of astrologer, as to what suits them most. BUT

the crux is the ability to predict. and Prediction is the ONLY TEST.

 

Few tips, mentioned in devakeralam helps in drilling down the

conclusive prediction and are true in most cases. Like, I referred

the tip of transit in Navamsa chart of, sani (i read the brief note

in another mail recently) and just try to apply it consistently- and

one will eb surprised for its accuracy. So should it be contrued as

final word on it. NO, these technique can always be researched for

more fine tuned interpretation model and unless, they go through the

prediction test, will always need to be accepted prima facie

(subject to experience of individual astrologer).

 

Let me provide another example. In the chart, if natal guru is

transited by rahu with simultaneous transit of guru over natal rahu;

it is always a very tricky / harmful transit. (members may test this

for both rashi chart as well navamsa chart - and in my experience, i

have found it very correct, just like hitting the nail at right

point). This transit, is not mentioned in any of classical texts,

but then why should it be relied for prediction. the answer is

simple, JUST TEST IT WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION MODEL.

 

In my own chart, for sade sati in D 10 chart (March 8, 1967 -

Jodhpur Rajasthan, 17.40 IST 73E04 / 26N17), i suffered for career

related instability. Most astrologers, from Rashi chart, always

found the period of past 7.5 years very steady; but the turmoiled

continued and relief started pouring, only when saturn has moved

into karka (whereas, this transit is bad from moon as well lagna in

rashi chart). Members may apply their own reasoning and will find

answers.

 

In my humble view, let us not just reject any specific technique,

instead, let us start applying for prediction. and let this be the

only test for its validity.

 

regards / Prafulla

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dear prafullaji,

 

i second it. on same lines i once wrote to sreenadhji and suggested to have

practical readings with respect to the individuals understanding of the

jyotish principles.

 

tvr

9422203510

 

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology]On Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:36 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] divisional transits

 

 

Hi,

 

Without Prejudice

 

Let me humbly submit that, I am not very well learned astrologer in

thsi forum and read astrology with very open mind. Since, this

thread is participated by very learned members, my brief submission

sould not be contrued in argumentary sense.

 

The issue of divisional transit is quite interesting and thought

provoking too. Whether classics back it or not, is not the major

issue (though Deva Keralam has used this very distinctly and am

sure, must be having more references available).

 

Referring to classics - they do not work in true sense. for example -

at some stage of our civilization (the age when jyotish is

originated), the social values were different. For example - long

distant journey was considered painful period of life, whereas in

modern age foreign journey has positive interpretations. Likewise,

the wealth was joint and was always related to family, and in modern

age individuality has changed the definition of wealth; so is the

interpretations relating to many more day to day issues. Yes,

fundamentally, the planets, their houses, karkatava... and so many

parameters remain same with wider and many a times different

interpretations. So, we must be open to different interpretation

model and must not reject the model, just because, old classicl text

have not eleborated this.

 

Also, in my opinion, earlier days, most of these classical texts

were passed in gurukulas orally and not necessarily, what we read

are the comprehensive literture.

 

The ONLY test of any technique, can be the prediction there with.

There can be multiple (and may be overlapping) models to look into

micro analysis - e.g. nakshatra, divisional charts, KP etc. All

these theories help in drilling down the interpretation. and if so,

these drilled down micro analysis are not supportive to macro (or

say generalized) readings, but often are conclusive. Yes, it is true

that, these tehnique might require some fine tuning, but it is

always the discretion of astrologer, as to what suits them most. BUT

the crux is the ability to predict. and Prediction is the ONLY TEST.

 

Few tips, mentioned in devakeralam helps in drilling down the

conclusive prediction and are true in most cases. Like, I referred

the tip of transit in Navamsa chart of, sani (i read the brief note

in another mail recently) and just try to apply it consistently- and

one will eb surprised for its accuracy. So should it be contrued as

final word on it. NO, these technique can always be researched for

more fine tuned interpretation model and unless, they go through the

prediction test, will always need to be accepted prima facie

(subject to experience of individual astrologer).

 

Let me provide another example. In the chart, if natal guru is

transited by rahu with simultaneous transit of guru over natal rahu;

it is always a very tricky / harmful transit. (members may test this

for both rashi chart as well navamsa chart - and in my experience, i

have found it very correct, just like hitting the nail at right

point). This transit, is not mentioned in any of classical texts,

but then why should it be relied for prediction. the answer is

simple, JUST TEST IT WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION MODEL.

 

In my own chart, for sade sati in D 10 chart (March 8, 1967 -

Jodhpur Rajasthan, 17.40 IST 73E04 / 26N17), i suffered for career

related instability. Most astrologers, from Rashi chart, always

found the period of past 7.5 years very steady; but the turmoiled

continued and relief started pouring, only when saturn has moved

into karka (whereas, this transit is bad from moon as well lagna in

rashi chart). Members may apply their own reasoning and will find

answers.

 

In my humble view, let us not just reject any specific technique,

instead, let us start applying for prediction. and let this be the

only test for its validity.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Prafulla-bhai

congrats for the turn around and thanks for the confirmation that D-Chart

transits work. There are hundreds now in various nations who have seen the use

of this one simple 'chandramsha' transit. Thanks to Deva-Keralam that opened

our eyes. I am forever grateful to the author. Did you read about the comments

devakeralam has about Parasara's method?With best wishes and warm

regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B Gangaram Hospital Road New

Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162* * *

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Prafulla Gang

vedic astrology

Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:36 AM

[vedic astrology] divisional transits

Hi,Without PrejudiceLet me humbly submit that, I am not very well learned

astrologer in thsi forum and read astrology with very open mind. Since, this

thread is participated by very learned members, my brief submission sould not

be contrued in argumentary sense.In my own chart, for sade sati in D 10 chart

(March 8, 1967 - Jodhpur Rajasthan, 17.40 IST 73E04 / 26N17), i suffered for

career related instability. Most astrologers, from Rashi chart, always found

the period of past 7.5 years very steady; but the turmoiled continued and

relief started pouring, only when saturn has moved into karka (whereas, this

transit is bad from moon as well lagna in rashi chart). Members may apply their

own reasoning and will find answers. In my humble view, let us not just reject

any specific technique, instead, let us start applying for prediction. and let

this be the only test for its validity.regards / Prafulla

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Respected Sanjay ji,

 

Many thanks. As you know, that I have not been very active on the

list (Yes, I read all mails and have been pursuing acadamic

interests), due to my own constraints and preoccupation.

 

Recently, I was investigating as to, what could have triggered as

to, the past 7 years of hardship (from professional point of view).

My relocation to India, proved to be wrong decision (from

prefessional perspective) and from Sept end, I started feeling

little more positive with few visible gains. From Rashi chart and

standard reading methodologies, past 7 years never sounded

apparently bad (yes in, retrospect, we can always find some vague

reason to justify it). However, when I correlated it to Narasimha's

prediction (sept 05 as take off period) with my notes on astrology

(with specific perspective of D10 chart). The moon's position in

vrishbha, was the apparent indicating factor. Yes, i must agree

that, there will also be, few supporting factors, but this factor

superceded the indications by Rashi Chart.

 

This prompted me to clarify my doubts on transit in D charts, in

this forum.

 

Shri (Late) Santhanam, in his commentary of Deva Keralam, has

suggested to extend, Sani related transit model to other benefic /

malefic planets too; and has stated that when natural malefic

planet, in D chart, transits over natal position of D chart, the

karaktva will suffer and with benefic planet (like guru), karakatva

will prosper.

 

Somehow, when we read from Rashi chart - we may be able to

understand macro analysis, but making prediction will require micro

analysis from specific issues, and micro analysis technique will

always prevail over generalized model.

 

Typically, one question has always pondered me of transit analysis

from Moon / Lagna in Rashi Chart(theory of multiplicity based upon

relative strength of moon, sun or lagna, is bit ambigious). In Deva

keralam, somewhere, it is suggested that, Moon's postioning in

Navamsa, is very important. and From that sign, we must see the

transit. Extending the same principle to respective D chart, for

specific reading, seems to be a valid interpretation model.

 

with warm regards / Prafulla

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...>

wrote:

>

>

> om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> Dear Prafulla-bhai

> congrats for the turn around and thanks for the confirmation that

D-Chart transits work. There are hundreds now in various nations who

have seen the use of this one simple 'chandramsha' transit. Thanks

to Deva-Keralam that opened our eyes. I am forever grateful to the

author. Did you read about the comments devakeralam has about

Parasara's method?

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath Center®

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> * * *

> -

> Prafulla Gang

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:36 AM

> [vedic astrology] divisional transits

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Without Prejudice

>

> Let me humbly submit that, I am not very well learned astrologer

in

> thsi forum and read astrology with very open mind. Since, this

> thread is participated by very learned members, my brief

submission

> sould not be contrued in argumentary sense.

>

>

> In my own chart, for sade sati in D 10 chart (March 8, 1967 -

> Jodhpur Rajasthan, 17.40 IST 73E04 / 26N17), i suffered for

career

> related instability. Most astrologers, from Rashi chart, always

> found the period of past 7.5 years very steady; but the

turmoiled

> continued and relief started pouring, only when saturn has moved

> into karka (whereas, this transit is bad from moon as well lagna

in

> rashi chart). Members may apply their own reasoning and will

find

> answers.

>

> In my humble view, let us not just reject any specific

technique,

> instead, let us start applying for prediction. and let this be

the

> only test for its validity.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

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