Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Hi, Without Prejudice Let me humbly submit that, I am not very well learned astrologer in thsi forum and read astrology with very open mind. Since, this thread is participated by very learned members, my brief submission sould not be contrued in argumentary sense. The issue of divisional transit is quite interesting and thought provoking too. Whether classics back it or not, is not the major issue (though Deva Keralam has used this very distinctly and am sure, must be having more references available). Referring to classics - they do not work in true sense. for example - at some stage of our civilization (the age when jyotish is originated), the social values were different. For example - long distant journey was considered painful period of life, whereas in modern age foreign journey has positive interpretations. Likewise, the wealth was joint and was always related to family, and in modern age individuality has changed the definition of wealth; so is the interpretations relating to many more day to day issues. Yes, fundamentally, the planets, their houses, karkatava... and so many parameters remain same with wider and many a times different interpretations. So, we must be open to different interpretation model and must not reject the model, just because, old classicl text have not eleborated this. Also, in my opinion, earlier days, most of these classical texts were passed in gurukulas orally and not necessarily, what we read are the comprehensive literture. The ONLY test of any technique, can be the prediction there with. There can be multiple (and may be overlapping) models to look into micro analysis - e.g. nakshatra, divisional charts, KP etc. All these theories help in drilling down the interpretation. and if so, these drilled down micro analysis are not supportive to macro (or say generalized) readings, but often are conclusive. Yes, it is true that, these tehnique might require some fine tuning, but it is always the discretion of astrologer, as to what suits them most. BUT the crux is the ability to predict. and Prediction is the ONLY TEST. Few tips, mentioned in devakeralam helps in drilling down the conclusive prediction and are true in most cases. Like, I referred the tip of transit in Navamsa chart of, sani (i read the brief note in another mail recently) and just try to apply it consistently- and one will eb surprised for its accuracy. So should it be contrued as final word on it. NO, these technique can always be researched for more fine tuned interpretation model and unless, they go through the prediction test, will always need to be accepted prima facie (subject to experience of individual astrologer). Let me provide another example. In the chart, if natal guru is transited by rahu with simultaneous transit of guru over natal rahu; it is always a very tricky / harmful transit. (members may test this for both rashi chart as well navamsa chart - and in my experience, i have found it very correct, just like hitting the nail at right point). This transit, is not mentioned in any of classical texts, but then why should it be relied for prediction. the answer is simple, JUST TEST IT WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION MODEL. In my own chart, for sade sati in D 10 chart (March 8, 1967 - Jodhpur Rajasthan, 17.40 IST 73E04 / 26N17), i suffered for career related instability. Most astrologers, from Rashi chart, always found the period of past 7.5 years very steady; but the turmoiled continued and relief started pouring, only when saturn has moved into karka (whereas, this transit is bad from moon as well lagna in rashi chart). Members may apply their own reasoning and will find answers. In my humble view, let us not just reject any specific technique, instead, let us start applying for prediction. and let this be the only test for its validity. regards / Prafulla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 dear prafullaji, i second it. on same lines i once wrote to sreenadhji and suggested to have practical readings with respect to the individuals understanding of the jyotish principles. tvr 9422203510 vedic astrology [vedic astrology]On Behalf Of Prafulla Gang Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:36 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] divisional transits Hi, Without Prejudice Let me humbly submit that, I am not very well learned astrologer in thsi forum and read astrology with very open mind. Since, this thread is participated by very learned members, my brief submission sould not be contrued in argumentary sense. The issue of divisional transit is quite interesting and thought provoking too. Whether classics back it or not, is not the major issue (though Deva Keralam has used this very distinctly and am sure, must be having more references available). Referring to classics - they do not work in true sense. for example - at some stage of our civilization (the age when jyotish is originated), the social values were different. For example - long distant journey was considered painful period of life, whereas in modern age foreign journey has positive interpretations. Likewise, the wealth was joint and was always related to family, and in modern age individuality has changed the definition of wealth; so is the interpretations relating to many more day to day issues. Yes, fundamentally, the planets, their houses, karkatava... and so many parameters remain same with wider and many a times different interpretations. So, we must be open to different interpretation model and must not reject the model, just because, old classicl text have not eleborated this. Also, in my opinion, earlier days, most of these classical texts were passed in gurukulas orally and not necessarily, what we read are the comprehensive literture. The ONLY test of any technique, can be the prediction there with. There can be multiple (and may be overlapping) models to look into micro analysis - e.g. nakshatra, divisional charts, KP etc. All these theories help in drilling down the interpretation. and if so, these drilled down micro analysis are not supportive to macro (or say generalized) readings, but often are conclusive. Yes, it is true that, these tehnique might require some fine tuning, but it is always the discretion of astrologer, as to what suits them most. BUT the crux is the ability to predict. and Prediction is the ONLY TEST. Few tips, mentioned in devakeralam helps in drilling down the conclusive prediction and are true in most cases. Like, I referred the tip of transit in Navamsa chart of, sani (i read the brief note in another mail recently) and just try to apply it consistently- and one will eb surprised for its accuracy. So should it be contrued as final word on it. NO, these technique can always be researched for more fine tuned interpretation model and unless, they go through the prediction test, will always need to be accepted prima facie (subject to experience of individual astrologer). Let me provide another example. In the chart, if natal guru is transited by rahu with simultaneous transit of guru over natal rahu; it is always a very tricky / harmful transit. (members may test this for both rashi chart as well navamsa chart - and in my experience, i have found it very correct, just like hitting the nail at right point). This transit, is not mentioned in any of classical texts, but then why should it be relied for prediction. the answer is simple, JUST TEST IT WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION MODEL. In my own chart, for sade sati in D 10 chart (March 8, 1967 - Jodhpur Rajasthan, 17.40 IST 73E04 / 26N17), i suffered for career related instability. Most astrologers, from Rashi chart, always found the period of past 7.5 years very steady; but the turmoiled continued and relief started pouring, only when saturn has moved into karka (whereas, this transit is bad from moon as well lagna in rashi chart). Members may apply their own reasoning and will find answers. In my humble view, let us not just reject any specific technique, instead, let us start applying for prediction. and let this be the only test for its validity. regards / Prafulla Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Prafulla-bhai congrats for the turn around and thanks for the confirmation that D-Chart transits work. There are hundreds now in various nations who have seen the use of this one simple 'chandramsha' transit. Thanks to Deva-Keralam that opened our eyes. I am forever grateful to the author. Did you read about the comments devakeralam has about Parasara's method?With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162* * * - Prafulla Gang vedic astrology Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:36 AM [vedic astrology] divisional transits Hi,Without PrejudiceLet me humbly submit that, I am not very well learned astrologer in thsi forum and read astrology with very open mind. Since, this thread is participated by very learned members, my brief submission sould not be contrued in argumentary sense.In my own chart, for sade sati in D 10 chart (March 8, 1967 - Jodhpur Rajasthan, 17.40 IST 73E04 / 26N17), i suffered for career related instability. Most astrologers, from Rashi chart, always found the period of past 7.5 years very steady; but the turmoiled continued and relief started pouring, only when saturn has moved into karka (whereas, this transit is bad from moon as well lagna in rashi chart). Members may apply their own reasoning and will find answers. In my humble view, let us not just reject any specific technique, instead, let us start applying for prediction. and let this be the only test for its validity.regards / Prafulla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Respected Sanjay ji, Many thanks. As you know, that I have not been very active on the list (Yes, I read all mails and have been pursuing acadamic interests), due to my own constraints and preoccupation. Recently, I was investigating as to, what could have triggered as to, the past 7 years of hardship (from professional point of view). My relocation to India, proved to be wrong decision (from prefessional perspective) and from Sept end, I started feeling little more positive with few visible gains. From Rashi chart and standard reading methodologies, past 7 years never sounded apparently bad (yes in, retrospect, we can always find some vague reason to justify it). However, when I correlated it to Narasimha's prediction (sept 05 as take off period) with my notes on astrology (with specific perspective of D10 chart). The moon's position in vrishbha, was the apparent indicating factor. Yes, i must agree that, there will also be, few supporting factors, but this factor superceded the indications by Rashi Chart. This prompted me to clarify my doubts on transit in D charts, in this forum. Shri (Late) Santhanam, in his commentary of Deva Keralam, has suggested to extend, Sani related transit model to other benefic / malefic planets too; and has stated that when natural malefic planet, in D chart, transits over natal position of D chart, the karaktva will suffer and with benefic planet (like guru), karakatva will prosper. Somehow, when we read from Rashi chart - we may be able to understand macro analysis, but making prediction will require micro analysis from specific issues, and micro analysis technique will always prevail over generalized model. Typically, one question has always pondered me of transit analysis from Moon / Lagna in Rashi Chart(theory of multiplicity based upon relative strength of moon, sun or lagna, is bit ambigious). In Deva keralam, somewhere, it is suggested that, Moon's postioning in Navamsa, is very important. and From that sign, we must see the transit. Extending the same principle to respective D chart, for specific reading, seems to be a valid interpretation model. with warm regards / Prafulla vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > Dear Prafulla-bhai > congrats for the turn around and thanks for the confirmation that D-Chart transits work. There are hundreds now in various nations who have seen the use of this one simple 'chandramsha' transit. Thanks to Deva-Keralam that opened our eyes. I am forever grateful to the author. Did you read about the comments devakeralam has about Parasara's method? > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath Center® > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > - > Prafulla Gang > vedic astrology > Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:36 AM > [vedic astrology] divisional transits > > > Hi, > > Without Prejudice > > Let me humbly submit that, I am not very well learned astrologer in > thsi forum and read astrology with very open mind. Since, this > thread is participated by very learned members, my brief submission > sould not be contrued in argumentary sense. > > > In my own chart, for sade sati in D 10 chart (March 8, 1967 - > Jodhpur Rajasthan, 17.40 IST 73E04 / 26N17), i suffered for career > related instability. Most astrologers, from Rashi chart, always > found the period of past 7.5 years very steady; but the turmoiled > continued and relief started pouring, only when saturn has moved > into karka (whereas, this transit is bad from moon as well lagna in > rashi chart). Members may apply their own reasoning and will find > answers. > > In my humble view, let us not just reject any specific technique, > instead, let us start applying for prediction. and let this be the > only test for its validity. > > regards / Prafulla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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