Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Ms Laxmi, Thank you for prompt reply.I shall go to the sites mentioned. At this moment my focus is on understanding Navamsa better,for obvious reasons.I will seek your kind assistance when required. Regards, Satish vedic astrology, "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary> wrote: > > Hare Krishna > Dear Satish, > > Please go through these web sites listed below , and you will find > to your surprise endless articles from the SJC gurus, > also please go to this lists "files" section and see all the > articles available. > also you can get the lectures of many SJC lectures, please check the > SJC web site..also where do you live, there might be a study group > or conference happening near you.. > good luck in astro > why dont you post a chart and attempt an analysis and ask for > assitance, and people will help you.. > > Lakshmi > > Sri Jagannath Center http://www..org/ > Sanjay Rath http://srath.com/ > Jyotish Digest and sample articles > http://.org/jyotishdigest/index.htm > Freedom Cole articles http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotish.html > Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com/articles.htm > Lakshmi Kary http://lakshmikary.com/ > Gauranga Das and Swee Chan Lessons and Vedic classics BPHS etc > http://www.brihaspati.net/ > Phylis and Marcus website http://www.healingjyotish.com/ > Willa Kiezer > Partha Saraswathy http://partvinu.tripod.com/parthaastro/index.html > Narayan Iyer http://jyotish.narayaniyer.com > Sanjau Prabhakuran http://jyotish-blog.blogspot.com/ > Sarajit Poddar blog spot http://varahamihira.blogspot.com > Andrew Foss http://vedicsoftware.com/Avasthas_files/frame.htm > Narasimha Rao http://www.vedicastrologer.org/ > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Goravani Software lessons > http://www.goravani.com/lessons/LessMenu.html > > Bookstore with inexpensive B.V. Raman books, best prices ive found > in Los Angeles ,reliable and fast shipping as well > http://www.bodhitree.com/ > Bookstore in India http://www.mlbd.com/index.asp > > > vedic astrology, "R Satish" > <rsatish1942> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I am new to the group and reading some interesting observations on > > use of Navamsa in delineating all about spouses. > > > > I will appreciate if the knowledgeable friends, can explain by > the > > workings throu some examples. > > > > Please treat it as an earnest request. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan, > > > > > > Well-said. Sudarsana Chakra is based on taking houses from > lagna, > > Moon and Sun. Lagna, Moon and Sun form the tripod of life. They > show > > body, mind and soul (roughly speaking). > > > > > > However, one cannot expect the nth house from lagna, nth house > > from Moon and the nth house from Sun to have an identical use. > They > > show different perspectives. > > > > > > Similarly, the nth house from lagna in rasi chart and the nth > > house from lagna in navamsa chart show different perspectives. > > > > > > The biggest problem in Jyotish is that people use so many > > parameters *interchangably*, without realizing that they show > > different perspectives. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------ - > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------ - > > > > > > > Nothing weird or 'remote' from jyotish point of view. In a > very > > > > simple/gross/crude form, that is what I think is the basis for > > > > Sudarshana charts, as recommended by Sage Parashara. If that > is > > seen > > > > as a situation where 'horizontal' (same level) concordance is > > > > sought/recommended, what you are describing could > > > > represent "vertical" concordance. There is nothing weird about > > > > conceptualizing jyotish as 3 dimensional (at least) with a > > horizontal > > > > and vertical reality! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't call the use of Moon chart as weird at all. In > > fact, you > > > > can use Venus chart (taking Venus as lagna) also, when seeing > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > My only point is that using various charts and various > > references > > > > *interchangably* is wrong. My contention is that each chart > and > > each > > > > reference has a specific use. Each chart-reference > combinationm > > > > brings in a specific PERSPECTIVE that is NOT given by ANY > OTHER > > chart- > > > > reference combination! Understanding exactly what perspectives > > are > > > > brought in by rasi chart, navamsa chart, rasi chart from Moon > > etc is > > > > important in using them properly. > > > > > > > > > > I will be spending all my free time on finishing my book and > > on > > > > taking care of back-logged readings in the next couple of > months > > and > > > > will be able to read the lists and write only on a rare > > occasion. So > > > > please don't be surprised if I ignore a mail you address to > me. > > I > > > > hope you all have fun on the lists while I am mostly away! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all of you for the consideration given to my views > > and > > > > apologies for any ruffled feathers. I hope my writings were > > useful to > > > > atleast some of you. > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > -------------------------- -- > -- > > - > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > -------------------------- -- > -- > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'In general, I find the idea that you see something in a > > chart > > > > and then "confirm" it in another chart a little weird.' > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually I am even 'weirder' than that, (if weird be an > > > > appropriate description and not a 'smear' attempt:---very > unlike > > you > > > > Narasimha ) I use Moon chart as well to see the spouse, and > > often use > > > > the seventh house as lagna for the spouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > Most astrologers I know will say see it three times and > you > > can > > > > carefully and accurately predict, which is why it is helpful > to > > have > > > > many charts to look at. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'If you say that rasi charts lays down some basic > guidelines > > and > > > > divisional charts give finer details that are not in the rasi > > chart, > > > > I have no problem.' > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that rasi and other charts can say the same things > > and > > > > add something new as well, I don't think they each say only > > something > > > > different from each other > > > > > > > > > > > > In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific meaning. > I > > see > > > > something in rasi and something else navamsa. They complement > > and > > > > supplement each other (rather than "confirming" or rejecting > > what the > > > > other shows). > > > > > > > > > > > > I see that they complement, supplement and enhance each > > other, > > > > and that complement and supplement are inclusive, rather than > > > > exclusive of confirmation and rejection... > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which > > spouses > > > > are seen. I go by my understanding of Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it is just semantics that get in the way, and of > > course > > > > e mail is a very limited form of communication. Thanks for > your > > time > > > > in explaining this, > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > margaret > > > > > > - > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > > > > Vedic Astrology Group ; > > > > > > Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:37 AM > > > > > > Re: Throwing away rasi chart? > (To > > > > Narasimha.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you don't mind me commenting on his post, > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should I? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the party! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > please ignore it if you do. > > > > > > > What occurs to me when you say 'what is the point of > > having a > > > > second voter' is that your interpretation itself seemed to say > > that > > > > this wife has certain characteristics, quite negative in most > > > > respects that you pointed out. You don't look for a second > > voter, as > > > > your mind is already made up by what you have read in navamsa > > alone, > > > > not looking at anything in rasi, what you define as a 'second > > > > voter?' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this is a correct interpretation? > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking about the "two voters" analogy to describe > > the > > > > view of some others and not mine. They say that you first get > a > > > > picture of things with rasi and then "confirm" it in navamsa, > > dasamsa > > > > etc. This is where my analogy comes into picture. If rasi > shows > > that > > > > someone's wife is an engineer and navamsa shows that she is a > > lawyer, > > > > what do you do? If navamsa is used only to "confirm" what rasi > > shows, > > > > it implies that it will be ignored when it is at loggerheads > > with > > > > rasi as rasi is given priority. This is like having two voters > > and > > > > the second voter being told to either agree with ("confirm") > > what the > > > > first voter said or be vetoed. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my scheme of things, the two voters never vote on the > > same > > > > thing. Rasi shows certain things and navamsa shows certain > OTHER > > > > things. There is never an issue of a clash and a need for > > > > reconciliation. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rasi chart shows the native and his physical > > existence. The > > > > 7th house and 7th lord of the rasi chart show how the native > > > > interacts with others (including spouse, professional > partners, > > > > spiritual partners etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa chart shows the marital environment - > spouse, > > > > spouse's relatives etc. To see anything related to native's > > > > characteristics and how native interacts with people, I > strictly > > use > > > > rasi. To see any characteristics of spouse, I strictly use > > navamsa. > > > > To see the interaction between native and spouse, I see the > > > > interactions between rasi and navamsa charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my scheme of things, each chart has a specific > meaning. > > I > > > > see something in rasi and something else navamsa. They > > complement and > > > > supplement each other (rather than "confirming" or rejecting > > what the > > > > other shows). > > > > > > > > > > > > > My comment is what are you using to refine this > > > > interpretation or confirm it, and how can you be sure you have > > all > > > > the necessary data to be so confident that this is an accurate > > > > description of this wife using navamsa alone? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure because, to me, navamsa is the chart in which > > spouses > > > > are seen. I go by my understanding of Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I find the idea that you see something in a > > chart > > > > and then "confirm" it in another chart a little weird. To me, > > two > > > > charts are not like two people who have something to say about > > the > > > > SAME matter. Instead, two charts are like two people who have > > > > something to say about two different, though perhaps related, > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think that rasi is a 'second voter' it is > merely > > full > > > > of signs to be read to give additional --sometimes primary - > > > > > > > insights into the description of the partner. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do agree that rasi gives insights regarding how the > > native > > > > acts with partner and how he approaches the relationship. But, > > the > > > > qualities of the partner are to be seen in navamsa, dasamsa, > > vimsamsa > > > > etc (for marital partner, professional partner, spiritual > > partner > > > > etc - respectively). > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this light what you call a second voter, is what > > others > > > > see as more refinement of information and its interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > My objection is to the view that rasi chart shows > > everything > > > > and divisional charts are to be used only to "confirm". If you > > say > > > > that rasi charts lays down some basic guidelines and > divisional > > > > charts give finer details that are not in the rasi chart, I > have > > no > > > > problem. If so, please try to identify what basic factors are > to > > be > > > > seen in rasi chart and what kinds of finer details are to be > > seen in > > > > divisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is what I did and came to methodology I laid out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ---------------------- -- > -- > > ----- > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > ---------------------- -- > -- > > ----- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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