Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about Vedic astrology

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Dear Mr.Sreenadh,

I have gone through most of your responses carefully.

The first thing

that is protruding like a sore thumb from your

statements is:

"You are supposed to be in the cave of the lions, and

you proved that

most of them are just paper lions! But beware of the

real lions who

are casually looking at such arguments with a lazy

view, who have much

arguments and proofs in store, and who could clearly

see the logical

errors in your arguments!"

 

Honestly, it is not one lion fighting another nor is

it a real lion

fighting "paper lions" or even 'lazing lions". It is

not a fight

between a lion and a lamb either! In fact, it is not

a fight at all!

It is not a north-south divide nor is

it a NRK versus NR - ROI (ROI meaning the "rest of

India"). It is neither a show of one upmanship nor

brinkmanship nor scholarship!

 

It is just a discussion which is virtually free for

all -- and the

discusion is about the fact that the predictive system

of astrology being

tom-tomed as Vedic is not Vedic at all. It is not

even the so called Hindu

astrology either but it is just a system of

predictions which was known as

sidereal system till a few decades back and was

rechiristened by some

overseas "jyotishis" as Vedic so that they could earn

their TA and DA etc.etc. for

propagating something there as well as here!

 

I must admit that this august forum calls itself

"Vedic astrology" forum but in

spite of that fact it is participating in the

discussion against its very

existence! It is a matter of courage and that is the

real Vedic spirit.

 

Almost evry member of this forum is participating in

one way or the other i.e. either

directly or indirectly in this discussion "whether

astrology is Vedic or

anti-Vedic" and believe me, all of them are very much

vociferous and

contentious---and not just paper lions--- in their

arguments either for or

against this view. Of course, I cannot expect every

member of this forum to

come to the immediate conclusion, without

any "fight" on his/her part, that what they have been

following till date as

"Vedic astrology" is actualy not Vedic! It has been

dinned into the ears of

this generation by our "abhinav Parasharas" and

"modern Varahamihiras" that

our Vedic Rishis had nothing else to do except

"manufacturing" predictive astrology

books like "Brighu Samhita" and "Garga Samhita" and

"Parashara Hora" and

even Shambu Hora Prakash and so on and so forth! This

tamasha has gone to

such an extent that even "Maha Pandit Lankeshwar

Ravan" is supposed to have

written his "Ravana Samhita" just for delineating your

and my future! (One wonders

how the poor fellow got so much time with all the war

preparations at his

hands!)

Then we have got "nadi granthas" like "x nadi" and "y

nadi" and "z

nadi" and what not! However, I am sure that once

the members of this forum

are convinced of the fact they have been taken for a

ride---either knowingly or unknowingly--for such a

long time, they will definitely shed all their

misconceptios and feel sorry

for all the time, energy and money they have wasted on

such an non-Vedic

pastime which was being presented as "Vedic

astrology". No doubt there

will be some vested interests also whose bread and

butter lies in just

continuing to fleece the gullible but then they are in

a miniscule minority.

It is that miniscule minority that has to be watched

and watched carefully

since they may not like to be proved wrong in spite of

their knowing fully

well that they are already wrong! Believe me, most of

our "abhinav

Parasharas" are already aware of the fact that there

is absolutely no

predictive astrology in the Vedas, but then they do

not want to take any

risks now! However, since a lie has no legs to stand

upon, this lie that

"predictve astrology is Vedic" will also get shattered

sooner than later,

God willing!

I will discuss about other points raised by you later

but the first thing I would like to know is how you

have arrived at the conclusions that Parashara Samhita

is of 1500 BCE. This is in fact an absolutely wrong

conclusion since as on date Lagadha's Vedanga

Jyotisha, also known as Rik Jotisha, is the earliest

Indian work on astronomy avilable anywhere in the

world. This is what Shankar Balakrishna Dikshit, the

scholar extraordinary on Indian astronomy, has said on

page 88 of English translation of his "Bharatiya

Jyotish":

"A good many quotations from Garga have been given

before; it appears that Vedanga Jyotisha occupied an

important place in his (i.e. Brahmagupta's) time.

Even Parashara says, 'shravishthadyatpaushnardham

charatah shishiro vasantah'. This gives the same

solar position for winter solstice as given by Vedanga

Jyotisha. This shows that the Vedanga Jyotisha must

have been compiled long before these two seers viz.

Garga and Parashara lived....These verses from Garga

and Parashara show that Vedanga jyotisha was COMPOSED

LONG BEFORE THE TIMES OF GARGA AND PARASHARA..."

 

Then Dr. S. Balachandra Rao, in his Indian Mathematics

and Astronomy, page 24 says, "The Vedanga Jyotisha

belongs to the last part of the Vedic age. The text

proper can be considered as the records of the

essentials of astronomical knowledge needed for the

day-to-day life of the people of those times. The

Vedanga Jyotisha (and not Parashaa Samhita!) IS THE

CLMINATION OF THE KNOWLEDGE DEVELOPED AND ACCUMULATED

OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF THE VEDIC PERIOD PRIOR TO

1400 BC".

Then Prof. T. S. Kuppanna Sastry, the former Hony.

Professor, Sanskrit College, Madras, has said in his

"Collected Papers on Jyotisha" on page 46 "In the

Vedanga Jyotisha (c. 1180 BC) THE EARLIEST HINDU

ASTRONOMICAL WORK EXTANT...".

 

Same is the view of all the prominent scholars like

Dr. R. Shama Sastri, Dr. G. S. Thibaut and S. K.

Pillai.

 

It is not only just the view of these scholars but it

is an astronomical fact that the position of

winter/summer solstice etc. as has been given in the

Vedanga Jyotisha is of around 13th/14th century BC.

These are the phenomena referred to later by

Varahamihira and others in their works. That also

proves that this was the oldest astronomical work of

Vedic astronomy in ancient India.

 

It is also a certainity that Paitamaha Sidhanta, also

known as Brahma Sidhanta, (or the Sidhanta revealed by

Lord Brahma Himself!) of Varaha's Panchashidahntika is

a derviative work of the Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha

and not any Parashari Samhita etc.

 

Besdies, Parashari Samhita, which may be a work of

abouit sixth/seventh century BC as per S. B. Dikshit

also does not give planetary longitudes but is

supposed to follow the pattern of the Vedanga Jyotisha

as per the commentators Somakara etc.

 

It means that the Surya Sidhanta of MAYA THE YAVANA

is the very first "Indian" work giving full fleged

methodology of calculating planetary longitudes etc.

With regards,

Mohan Jyotishi

 

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

<sreelid> wrote:

 

Dear Mohan ji,

1) In one of your mails you said that:

> There is no manuscript available anywhere in any

>library of the world about any BPHS.

I will share my knowledge about the details of BPHS

manuscripts

available in one of the Mss Library in Tamilnadu.

There are 2 Mss of P_Hora in Grantha Lipi (Palm

leaf) available in Sarsvathi Mahal Library with the

commentary of Govinda svamin. The Vyakhya is named

Prakatartha dipikam and has 2 parts - Purvartha and

Utharartha. Of that only the Mss of Utharartha is

available in S_Mahal.

 

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[sunny4cooldude]

but what abt the brighu samhita and all which are quite famous for their predictions...

 

nd are the calculation made in the Vedanga jyotisha accurate......(since limited astronomy details were available that time)