A look back at the communication between Partha and Pradeep

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Dear All,

I have looked back at some of the mails send between Partha and

Pradeep,

Everybody was discussing about Vargas and D-charts. Partha said that

we should drop theoretical discussions and turn to puzzles and

quizzes. Pradeep gets irritated.

He says:

"I could only wish if you were the same old Partha who could even

learn

from a barber."

Partha replys:

"I wish you were the old Pradeep"

It seems that Pradeep has started using the abusive language.

Agin Partha says:

> To understand divisional charts, one

> must understand so many things about spirituality, existence,

causal,

> subtle and gross bodies first.

It is absurd! To learn about D-charts, do we have to become Yogis? I

would humbly ask, "Have you already attained Bodhodaya dear Partha?

Then please help these poor souls".

>You must have first hand experience of these things. You must be

aware of the

>various "minds", the various levels of consciousness which can be

obtained only

>by sadhana and not theoretical intellectual mumbo jumbo.

Bosting as if he knows about the various levels of consciousness, and

as if he is a Yogi.

> I am talking about spirituality which you sadly lack.

How can Partha make such a judgment on Pradeep? (It is like an

assault!)

Now see the response of Pradeep:

> 1)Can you kindly define what is spirituality - For me it us the

desire

> to know the TRUTH. How did you measure my spirituality.

> Do you think everyone has to show off or write Mantras on the email

> editor to advertise his spirituality.

> 2)Can you kindly brief the salient features of the special

> spirituality required in understanding Vargas.I am aware of various

> Talas of mind and consciousness. But i do not want to bring in

houses

> everywhere to understand them. I will see how classical authors have

> applied vargas along with rashi bhavas and karakas in understanding

> those subtle factors.

The discussion is already off track! This statement of Pradeep is

also worth noting:

> I have never seen you asking Shri Sanjay Rath to participate in

quizzes!!!

Now Partha says:

> I did not want to debate with you, but you are forcing me to. You

have

> to understand the concept of Bhava, arudha properly before even

> attempting to understand vargas.

Varaha Mihira never said anything about arudha. Is it that he never

understood Vargas? Partha ji where you are heading to?

Again he says:

> Sanjayji once told me very clearly, "partha, you know and i

> know, what is the need to discuss these things with others".

If Bhava is just for the discussion between Sanjayji and Partha what

discussion is going on here? Are these the only people who properly

understood Bhava? Did Mihira also came to learn as he never speaks

about arudha? I have heard a story:

Asked about his opinion of the controversial bill, Senator Henry

Cabot Lodge, Sr, Said without hesitation, "Well, some say this some

say that, but what I have to say on the subject is that there's no

knowing and no telling, and mark my words, son, I'm right."

Yes partha ji you are damn right!!

> Some things just cannot be explained to blind and deaf people,

> because they cannot experience it. Similarly some of the knowledge

> cannot be passed, not because i fear or Sanjayji fears that it may

be

> misused, but because you cannot understand it.

Do you mean that most of the people participating in this discussion

is blind and deaf and only you can hear and speak? Are speaking for

yourself or for Sanjay Rath? (This fellow SR is like an unseen super

god for this forom, who is every where, but seen no where!! Many seems

to be afraid of him, and many are his worshipers. It is interesting..

But he is seen nowhere!!! May be we should invite this unseen god

to come and participate in discussions/quizzes or puzzles as Padeep

says..)

Again Partha says to Pradeep:

>It is like giving 1000 watts power in a 6 watt bulb. Please do some

> sadhana.

How on earth this fellow Partha knows that Pradeep is a 6 watts bulb?

Can you measure people using watts? How he came to know that Pradeep

is not doing Sadhana? It is again like an assault. It is crossing the

limits I should say!

He again says:

>You may dismiss me, my words as plain foolish.

> Yes. No doubt - they are!

> You may dismiss me saying that i don't know anything, i use

> spirituality as a cover.

I am not an expert-but it seeems that Partha's self analysis is

correct. He said it right! Probably he is doing the same!! See, this

person knows very well what he is doing! But still intend to proceed

with it!! It is wonderful!

In his words:

>Whatever you may say, i don't lose anything. Because

>whatever i have learnt is due to my tapasya.

Yes. Because in this earth only he knows what is tapasya and nobody

else. Wish you all the best Partha. Go on in the same path! You can't

lose anything (especially w.r.t. spirituality reflected in your mail),

probably there is nothing to lose! Ofcourse I am not sure, because I

don't have a scale.

Pradeep says:

> I again say you do not have any scale to measure

> others spirituality.

> and that

> We cannot fool people all the time.

May be he is right. I am not an expert judge on the same.

Pradeep was still obsessed with the question of measuring spirituality

and he goes on saying:

> I was thinking about measuring Spirituality.

> My doubt is can you measure your degree of spirituality. The level

of

> learning that the spirit or soul has accumulated over many

> exercises(births).

> The level, that AtmaKaraka is holding. When we know that,

> we are already

> in peace and we do not need Jyotish anymore.

> We have already reached the feet of Narayana,the holy water.

> Then you are Parthasarathy HIMSELF.

> Then we are like the knower of all shasthras viz Bharghava or Shukra

> floating peacefully and in tranquility on the waters of Meena.

> In that Ksethra of Brishaspathi on the holy waters,

> shukra has no more

> doubts. He is then SAT CHIT ANANADA OR ACHYUTANANDA - The height of

> supreme Bliss.

> Thus we do not know the desire of our soul fully.

> When we cannot even measure our own spirituality ,

> how about others. Once we realize then we

> have no more doubts or no Jyotisha is required.

Now Partha Says: (As if he could comprehend the situation)

> Don't try to twist my words to suit your good self. I never called

you

> deaf or dumb, please reread the mail with cool head.

Sounds good. But in the next statement we understand that the man

remains the same! See his words.

> I cannot give you a definition not because i cannot, but because you

> cannot understand the definition right now in your present left

> brained thinking. So forget it. I am not trying to escape, i am only

> telling you the truth. In your present state you cannot understand

vargas,

I am again prompted to ask, is it that in this world only Partha can

understand such thing? How he came to know that Pradeep cannot

understand Vargas? What is the knowledge input he had provided on

understanding Vargas? This man sounds foolish! (Sorry for the

statement, but it is truth)

Even after this Pradeep cannot drop that assault on spirituality. He

says:

> You do not know anything about your level of spirituality. If you

ever

> knew, you will never indulge in measuring others spiritual level,

which

> you never can.

Probably he is right. In the next sentence he turns back to the old

abusive language again:

> It takes many janmas to understand Jyotish.But in internet jyotish

you

> can even fully understand *mother-in-law of your Boss*,by putting

Houses

> in dashamsha and that too over a weekend workshop. *I cannot wish

you

> all the best*.Let Lord Shiva show you light.

Is it that hatred reflected in these words? From real discussion of

an astrological issue should we divert ourselves like to pouring mud

on each other?

In his reply Partha says:

> I think you need to first work on your reading and comprehension,

> before we can discuss other things.

As if he is better learned than Pradeep. As if he is the Guru and

Pradeep is the Sishya. Dear Pradeep when did you selected Partha as

your Guru? If I am wrong please forgive me.

This conversation reveals one fact to me. Probably there is no point

in trying to discuss things with people like Partha. Pradeep outbursts

at times, but much knowledge input comes from him. But Partha ji, what

is his creative contribution in the discussion that is going on? Such

people turns discussion from the actual subject and start boasting as

if they are all knowing personalities. I should wait a little more and

decide whether to respond to his mails or not in further

communications. (I heard many people speaking against Partha, and many

saying that he is a good person and the like. Now atleast I know why

it is so!) I apologize to everybody for producing this mail for

review. I personally apologize to the moderators as well.

Love,

Sreenadh