Guest guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Dear Pradeep, > I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting> Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''. Fantastic! Now I think we can talk further. Let me summarize my understanding of what you just accepted. Suppose Mars is at 2 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 22 deg in Aries. Then "kshetra Mars" (or "rasi Mars" - see my other mail for the definitions/notation) is in Aries (at 2 deg). The "navamsa Mars" is in Aries too. The "navamsa Jupiter" is in Libra. You are accepting that "kshetra Mars" aspects "navamsa Jupiter". I hope I am not misrepresenting. Now, you are saying that "navamsa Mars", though in the same sign as "kshetra Mars", does not aspect "navamsa Jupiter" in Libra, for the simple reason that he does not have a longitude. I hope I am not misrepresenting ytou. Now, a couple of simple things I request you to ponder: (1) If "kshetra Mars" is in Aries and aspects Libra, why doesn't "navamsa Mars" do the same as he is in Aries too? If the reason is that "kshetra Mars" has a longitude and "navamsa Mars" does not have a longitude, then why does "kshetra Mars" aspect "navamsa Jupiter" in Libra, who also does NOT have a longitude? As per longitudinal aspects you refer to, longitude of the aspecting planet and longitude of the aspected planet decide the aspect. Both longitudes are needed. As "navamsa Jupiter" in Libra does not have a longitude (according to you), how come aspect on him by "kshetra Mars" can be evaluated? If aspected planet's rasi is enough and exact longitude is not needed to evaluate the aspect, why can't we say the same thing about an aspecting planet? Why can't I say that "aspecting planet's rasi is enough and exact longitude is not needed to evaluate the aspect"? (2) When we say that "navamsa Mars" is in Aries, where in Aries is he? At 5 deg or 15 deg or 20 deg? Where? Is he at some indeterminate position? How can he be in Aries, but not at a specific longitude in Aries? To me, the way charts like navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa, dwadasamsa-dwadasamsa are defined makes it absolutely clear that there are longitudes in divisions too. If Mars is physically at 2 deg in Aries, then "kshetra Mars" is at 2 deg in Aries and navamsa Mars is at 2x9=18 deg in Aries. If Jupiter is physically at 22 deg in Aries, then "kshetra Jupiter" is at 22 deg in Aries and "navamsa Jupiter" is at 2x9=18 deg in Libra. Thus, as per my understanding, exact longitudinal aspect between "navamsa Mars" and "navamsa Jupiter" can be evaluated. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:>> Namaste Narasimha ji> > There is no inconsistency at all.> The longitudinal degrees of planets and Lagna are marked w.r to> RASHI(Signs).Parashara framed aspectual rules based on longitudes.Thus> it is clear that aspects have to be understood only through Rashi> dispositions.> > When we talk about physical Position,it points to the natal degree of> a planet or Lagna.Then based on the divsion of Zodiac -This planet or> Lagna will have Rashi/Navamsha etc.> > The debate is about ''One Planet Aspecting Another Planet(MARS &> JUPITER),based on Navamsha disposition''.We record planets and Lagna> based on RASHI degree and want to see aspects based on Navamsha> disposition.Record using one scale and measure using another!!!> > Let us take my cases to make it more clear.> > Case - 1 - Jupiter in Gemini RASHI aspecting Lagna NAVAMSHA.This> aspect is purely based on Rashi disposition.> > Case - 2 - Mars in Aries RASHI is aspecting the NAVAMSHA of> jupiter.This aspect is purely based on RASHI disposition.> > Now let us take your case> > Mars 2 deg Aries & Jupiter 22 deg Aries.Do they have Longitudinal> Possibility for aspects based on '''RASHI'' disposition? NO.Where as> it is possible for the 2 cases mentioned above.It is not at all a> complex point. > > I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting> Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''.But this is not the topic of> debate.It is about two planets aspecting each other by virtue of their> navamsha disposition(isn't it the case if we draw a navamsha chart and> see aspects),which is never psossible. > > I will give an analogy in another mail.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> wrote:> >> > Namaste Pradeep,> > > > > 1)Aspects can happen only if planets are longitudinally disposed so.> > > (You Know the rules).> > > > > > 2)Let us Take your example.> > > a)Lagna is at 22 deg in Aries> > > b)Jupiter is at 18 deg Gemini> > > C)Lagna navamsha is Libra> > > > > > Now my question is whether you project or do not project,can Jupiter > > > in Gemini aspect Libra Sign or not.Yes by 5th special aspect.> > > > > > 3)Now Let us take your second example.> > > a)Mars is at 2 deg Aries> > > b)Jupiter is at 22 deg Aries> > > > > > Now my question is whether you project or do not,Can Mars at 2deg > > > Aries aspect Jupiter at 22 deg Aries.No.Aspectual rules from > > > Parashara allows that.> > > > Let me add something to point 3 and construct it similar to what you> said at the end of point 2:> > > > "3)Now Let us take your second example.> > a)Mars is at 2 deg Aries> > b)Jupiter is at 22 deg Aries> > C)Mars navamsha is in Aries.> > D)Jupiter navamsha is in Libra.> > > > Now my question is whether you project or do not project, can Mars> in Aries aspect Libra sign or not. Yes by 7th house aspect."> > > > See, this is constructed the same way as what you said in 2. Yet,> you have a problem. That is where I see inconsistency. You are> applying one paradigm to "lagna navamsa" and quite another paradigm to> "Jupiter navamsa". When it comes to lagna at 22 deg in Ar, you are> accepting "lagna navamsa" in Libra sign and finding longitudinal> aspects on Libra. When it comes to Jupiter at 22 deg in Ar, you are> not accepting "Jupiter navamsa" in Libra sign and going back to Aries> to evaluate aspects. I see a HUGE inconsistency.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Dear Mr.PVR Narsimaha Rao, In your Jagannath Hora software Version 7.02, under the Basics tab, what is V2, ... therough V12, and the Kunda at the bottom? Also, if someone can explain under the Miscellany tab (Laghu Parashari), where it is to be found in Laghu Parashari. I looked for such analysis, but didn't find any such thing in there. I also noticed that under the Panchang, the Rahu Kalam calculations are not accurate. Please, check and advice. With best regards, Adya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji > > I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''.(Pradeep) > > > Suppose Mars is at 2 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 22 deg in Aries. Then "kshetra Mars" (or "rasi Mars" - see my other mail for the definitions/notation) is in Aries (at 2 deg). The "navamsa Mars" is in Aries too. The "navamsa Jupiter" is in Libra. > > You are accepting that "kshetra Mars" aspects "navamsa Jupiter". I hope I am not misrepresenting.(Narasimha) > If you closely look at my first statement - you are slightly misrepresenting me. It is not ''Kshethra of Mars'' or ''Navamsha of Mars'' that is aspecting.It is Mars that is aspecting.From that longitudinal disposition in zodiac,it can cast aspect only over certain sectors.This resultant sector is a rashi of 30 degree span.This Rashi assumes numerous roles -a)It can be a Ksehthra for a planet(Kshethra of Mars) b)It can be the Rashi in which a planet has navamsha influence(Navamsha of Mras).c)It can be a Rashi in whcih a planet is having dashamsha influence(Dashamsha of Mras).Classical astrologers say - ''Shukran Amshichirikkunna Rashi'' This means the sign in which Shukras amsha has joined.Or sign having amsha influence of Shukra. Thus the Mars in your example is able to cast aspect not because of Kshethra or Navamsha disposition.It is because of the Rashi chakra dispositon based on 30 degree rule.Now we have only 12 Rashis.We do not have seperate 12 navamsha Rashi,12 saptamsha Rashi etc.Divisions within a Rashi is again individually related to one of the 12 Rashis with varying influence. There is only one position and hence one longitude for any lagna or planet at a point in time.We can record this using any scale that we like.The scale chosen by Parashara was signs of 30 degree sectors.Aspectual rules were also based on this and we both do agree.If you want to record them based on navamsha disposition(3 deg 20 mins) you may.But you have to convert the rashi scale to navamsha scale(so that the ''aspectual range rule'' from Sage is retained - i cannot compromiseon this).And in the end it does not make any difference!!!. Thanks Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Namaste Pradeep, Thank you for clarifying what you meant by the statement below: > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting> > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep). You still haven't answered my basic question. The exact "longitudinal aspect" (the term you used before) depends on the longitudes of TWO points- aspecting planet and aspected planet/point. Suppose Mars is at 29 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 2 deg in Gemini. Then Mars does not aspect Guru of rasi chart. But "Gurunavamsha" (Jupiter's navamsa position) is in Libra. You seem to agree that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra. My question is simple. Though you agree that Gurunavamsha is in Libra, you are arguing that it has no longitude associated with it (in Libra). Then how are you able to evaluate the "longitudinal aspect" of Mars at 29 deg in Aries on "Gurunavamsha" in Libra? Just because an entity is in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries is not guaranteed to aspect. It depends on the longitude. If an entity is at 29 deg in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries has 100% aspect on that entity. If an entity is instead at 1 deg in Libra, Mars has only (2/30)x100=6.67% aspect on that entity. In other words, Mars at 29 deg in Aries has almost a zero aspect on an entity at 1 deg in Libra. When you only know that "Gurunavamsha" is in Libra and don't have a specific longitude associated with it, how are you able to conclude that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha"? If you were to use Jupiter's original longitude (2 deg in Gemini), then there is no aspect at all on him bny Mars at 29 deg in Aries. Then what longitude in Libra are you using when concluding that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra? May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting> > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep).> > > > > You are accepting that "kshetra Mars" aspects "navamsa Jupiter". I> hope I am not misrepresenting.> Now, you are saying that "navamsa> Mars", though in the same sign as "kshetra Mars", does not aspect> "navamsa Jupiter" in Libra, for the simple reason that he does not> have a longitude. I hope I am not misrepresenting ytou.(Narasimha)> > If you closely see my first sattement in quotes - you will understand> that you are slightly misrepresenting me.> > It is not ''Kshethra of Mars'' or ''Navamsha of Mars'' that is> aspecting.It is Mars that is aspecting.From that longitudinal> disposition in zodiac,it can cast aspect only over certain> sectors.This resultant sector is a rashi of 30 degree span.This Rashi> assumes numerous roles -a)It can be a Ksehthra for a planet(Kshethra> of Mars) b)It can be the Rashi in which a planet has navamsha> influence(Navamsha of Mras).c)It can be a Rashi in whcih a planet is> having dashamsha influence(Dashamsha of Mras).Classical astrologers> say - ''Shukran Amshichirikkunna Rashi'' This means the sign in which> Shukras amsha has joined.Or sign having amsha influence of Shukra.> > Thus the Mars in your example is able to cast aspect not because of> Kshethra or Navamsha disposition.It is because of the Rashi chakra> dispositon based on 30 degree rule.Now we have only 12 Rashis.We do> not have seperate 12 navamsha Rashi,12 saptamsha Rashi etc.Divisions> within a Rashi is again individually related to one of the 12 Rashis> with varying influence.> > There is only one position and hence one longitude for any lagna or> planet at a point in time.We can record this using any scale that we> like.The scale chosen by Parashara was signs of 30 degree> sectors.Aspectual rules were also based on this and we both do> agree.If you want to record them based on navamsha disposition(3 deg> 20 mins) you may.But you have to convert the rashi scale to navamsha> scale(so that the ''aspectual range rule'' from Sage is retained - i> cannot compromiseon this).And in the end it does not make any> difference!!!.> > Thanks> Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Namaste Narasimha ji I thought i was clear enough. What is Mars - Mars is a planet in zodiac.It has a longitude associated. What is Guru- Guru is a planet in Zodiac.It has a longitude associated. What is Kshethra of Guru - It is a sign of 30 degree sector.Guru is recorded astronomically as being placed in this 30 degree sector. What is Guru Navamsha - Guru Navamsha is the sign which is having navamsha influence of Guru.It is again a 30 dgeree sector(Guru is not placed there to have a degree - A planet has one position but different influences). When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which Mars is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we say Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which Mars is placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of Guru.I dont understand what is your doubt. Hope we soon reach a conclusion. Thanks Prade vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Namaste Pradeep, > > Thank you for clarifying what you meant by the statement below: > > > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting > > > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep). > > You still haven't answered my basic question. The exact "longitudinal aspect" (the term you used before) depends on the longitudes of TWO points- aspecting planet and aspected planet/point. Suppose Mars is at 29 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 2 deg in Gemini. Then Mars does not aspect Guru of rasi chart. But "Gurunavamsha" (Jupiter's navamsa position) is in Libra. You seem to agree that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra. > > My question is simple. Though you agree that Gurunavamsha is in Libra, you are arguing that it has no longitude associated with it (in Libra). Then how are you able to evaluate the "longitudinal aspect" of Mars at 29 deg in Aries on "Gurunavamsha" in Libra? > > Just because an entity is in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries is not guaranteed to aspect. It depends on the longitude. If an entity is at 29 deg in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries has 100% aspect on that entity. If an entity is instead at 1 deg in Libra, Mars has only (2/30)x100=6.67% aspect on that entity. In other words, Mars at 29 deg in Aries has almost a zero aspect on an entity at 1 deg in Libra. > > When you only know that "Gurunavamsha" is in Libra and don't have a specific longitude associated with it, how are you able to conclude that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha"? > > If you were to use Jupiter's original longitude (2 deg in Gemini), then there is no aspect at all on him bny Mars at 29 deg in Aries. Then what longitude in Libra are you using when concluding that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra? > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting > > > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep). > > > > > > > > You are accepting that "kshetra Mars" aspects "navamsa Jupiter". I > > hope I am not misrepresenting.> Now, you are saying that "navamsa > > Mars", though in the same sign as "kshetra Mars", does not aspect > > "navamsa Jupiter" in Libra, for the simple reason that he does not > > have a longitude. I hope I am not misrepresenting ytou.(Narasimha) > > > > If you closely see my first sattement in quotes - you will understand > > that you are slightly misrepresenting me. > > > > It is not ''Kshethra of Mars'' or ''Navamsha of Mars'' that is > > aspecting.It is Mars that is aspecting.From that longitudinal > > disposition in zodiac,it can cast aspect only over certain > > sectors.This resultant sector is a rashi of 30 degree span.This Rashi > > assumes numerous roles -a)It can be a Ksehthra for a planet(Kshethra > > of Mars) b)It can be the Rashi in which a planet has navamsha > > influence(Navamsha of Mras).c)It can be a Rashi in whcih a planet is > > having dashamsha influence(Dashamsha of Mras).Classical astrologers > > say - ''Shukran Amshichirikkunna Rashi'' This means the sign in which > > Shukras amsha has joined.Or sign having amsha influence of Shukra. > > > > Thus the Mars in your example is able to cast aspect not because of > > Kshethra or Navamsha disposition.It is because of the Rashi chakra > > dispositon based on 30 degree rule.Now we have only 12 Rashis.We do > > not have seperate 12 navamsha Rashi,12 saptamsha Rashi etc.Divisions > > within a Rashi is again individually related to one of the 12 Rashis > > with varying influence. > > > > There is only one position and hence one longitude for any lagna or > > planet at a point in time.We can record this using any scale that we > > like.The scale chosen by Parashara was signs of 30 degree > > sectors.Aspectual rules were also based on this and we both do > > agree.If you want to record them based on navamsha disposition(3 deg > > 20 mins) you may.But you have to convert the rashi scale to navamsha > > scale(so that the ''aspectual range rule'' from Sage is retained - i > > cannot compromiseon this).And in the end it does not make any > > difference!!!. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Namaste Pradeep, > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which Mars> is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we say> Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which Mars is> placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of Guru.I> dont understand what is your doubt. My "doubt" is this: You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you are toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going back to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet need not aspect an entire sign. If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform aspect on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in Libra varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full (100%) if it is at 29 deg. How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra? Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see why "Mars navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- > Namaste Narasimha ji> > I thought i was clear enough.> > What is Mars - Mars is a planet in zodiac.It has a longitude associated.> What is Guru- Guru is a planet in Zodiac.It has a longitude associated.> > What is Kshethra of Guru - It is a sign of 30 degree sector.Guru is> recorded astronomically as being placed in this 30 degree sector.> > What is Guru Navamsha - Guru Navamsha is the sign which is having> navamsha influence of Guru.It is again a 30 dgeree sector(Guru is not> placed there to have a degree - A planet has one position but> different influences).> When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which Mars> is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we say> Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which Mars is> placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of Guru.I> dont understand what is your doubt.> > Hope we soon reach a conclusion.> > Thanks> Prade> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> wrote:> >> > Namaste Pradeep,> > > > Thank you for clarifying what you meant by the statement below:> > > > > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars> apsecting> > > > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep).> > > > You still haven't answered my basic question. The exact> "longitudinal aspect" (the term you used before) depends on the> longitudes of TWO points- aspecting planet and aspected planet/point.> Suppose Mars is at 29 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 2 deg in Gemini.> Then Mars does not aspect Guru of rasi chart. But "Gurunavamsha"> (Jupiter's navamsa position) is in Libra. You seem to agree that Mars> at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra.> > > > My question is simple. Though you agree that Gurunavamsha is in> Libra, you are arguing that it has no longitude associated with it (in> Libra). Then how are you able to evaluate the "longitudinal aspect" of> Mars at 29 deg in Aries on "Gurunavamsha" in Libra?> > > > Just because an entity is in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries is not> guaranteed to aspect. It depends on the longitude. If an entity is at> 29 deg in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries has 100% aspect on that> entity. If an entity is instead at 1 deg in Libra, Mars has only> (2/30)x100=6.67% aspect on that entity. In other words, Mars at 29 deg> in Aries has almost a zero aspect on an entity at 1 deg in Libra.> > > > When you only know that "Gurunavamsha" is in Libra and don't have a> specific longitude associated with it, how are you able to conclude> that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha"?> > > > If you were to use Jupiter's original longitude (2 deg in Gemini),> then there is no aspect at all on him bny Mars at 29 deg in Aries.> Then what longitude in Libra are you using when concluding that Mars> at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra?> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji 1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we have to tell this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc. You are again and again and again bringing ''mars navamsha in aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes aspects are there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles of ''navamsha of mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects can NEVER EVER happen unless MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect Libra SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru and Guru is not placed there and no longitude associated(harmonic 1/9th infleunce). 2)For the easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have given number of houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign of placement, on which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of longitudes.i have not changed my opinion at any point. 3)The above said sign based aspects can be quantitatively measured, if one wants(new point that you have mentioned).Here we go by exact longitude.It is nothing but the quantitative form of point 2.When you understand point 2 ,you must understand point 3.(We do not need longitude of Guru - we are just measuring the aspect mentioned in point 2). The debate is about ''can a planet aspect another planet based on navamsha disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the planet has such a longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra. we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not i see no point in wasting my time. Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Namaste Pradeep, > > > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which Mars > > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we say > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which Mars is > > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of Guru.I > > dont understand what is your doubt. > > My "doubt" is this: > > You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you are toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going back to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet need not aspect an entire sign. > > If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform aspect on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in Libra varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full (100%) if it is at 29 deg. > > How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra? > > Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see why "Mars navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Namaste Narasimha ji > > > > I thought i was clear enough. > > > > What is Mars - Mars is a planet in zodiac.It has a longitude associated. > > What is Guru- Guru is a planet in Zodiac.It has a longitude associated. > > > > What is Kshethra of Guru - It is a sign of 30 degree sector.Guru is > > recorded astronomically as being placed in this 30 degree sector. > > > > What is Guru Navamsha - Guru Navamsha is the sign which is having > > navamsha influence of Guru.It is again a 30 dgeree sector(Guru is not > > placed there to have a degree - A planet has one position but > > different influences). > > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which Mars > > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we say > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which Mars is > > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of Guru.I > > dont understand what is your doubt. > > > > Hope we soon reach a conclusion. > > > > Thanks > > Prade > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep, > > > > > > Thank you for clarifying what you meant by the statement below: > > > > > > > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars > > apsecting > > > > > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep). > > > > > > You still haven't answered my basic question. The exact > > "longitudinal aspect" (the term you used before) depends on the > > longitudes of TWO points- aspecting planet and aspected planet/point. > > Suppose Mars is at 29 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 2 deg in Gemini. > > Then Mars does not aspect Guru of rasi chart. But "Gurunavamsha" > > (Jupiter's navamsa position) is in Libra. You seem to agree that Mars > > at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra. > > > > > > My question is simple. Though you agree that Gurunavamsha is in > > Libra, you are arguing that it has no longitude associated with it (in > > Libra). Then how are you able to evaluate the "longitudinal aspect" of > > Mars at 29 deg in Aries on "Gurunavamsha" in Libra? > > > > > > Just because an entity is in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries is not > > guaranteed to aspect. It depends on the longitude. If an entity is at > > 29 deg in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries has 100% aspect on that > > entity. If an entity is instead at 1 deg in Libra, Mars has only > > (2/30)x100=6.67% aspect on that entity. In other words, Mars at 29 deg > > in Aries has almost a zero aspect on an entity at 1 deg in Libra. > > > > > > When you only know that "Gurunavamsha" is in Libra and don't have a > > specific longitude associated with it, how are you able to conclude > > that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha"? > > > > > > If you were to use Jupiter's original longitude (2 deg in Gemini), > > then there is no aspect at all on him bny Mars at 29 deg in Aries. > > Then what longitude in Libra are you using when concluding that Mars > > at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra? > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------ - > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------ - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Dear Pradeep, > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not i > see no point in wasting my time. Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one last time. (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on all points of Libra is not uniform. As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full). DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" question. If YES, please proceed to point (2). If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to quantify, but it is not necessary. (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and do not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's navamsa" quantify it? May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- > Dear Narasimha ji> > 1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we have to tell > this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or > Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc.> > You are again and again and again bringing ''mars navamsha in > aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes aspects are > there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles > of ''navamsha of mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects can > NEVER EVER happen unless MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect Libra > SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru> and Guru is not placed there and no longitude associated(harmonic > 1/9th infleunce).> > 2)For the easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have given > number of houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign of > placement, on which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of > longitudes.i have not changed my opinion at any point.> > 3)The above said sign based aspects can be quantitatively measured, > if one wants(new point that you have mentioned).Here we go by exact > longitude.It is nothing but the quantitative form of point 2.When > you understand point 2 ,you must understand point 3.(We do not need > longitude of Guru - we are just measuring the aspect mentioned in > point 2).> > The debate is about ''can a planet aspect another planet based on > navamsha disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the planet > has such a longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra.> > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not i > see no point in wasting my time.> > Pradeep> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > <pvr@c...> wrote:> >> > Namaste Pradeep,> > > > > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which > Mars> > > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we > say> > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which > Mars is> > > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of > Guru.I> > > dont understand what is your doubt.> > > > My "doubt" is this:> > > > You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you are > toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going back > to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet need > not aspect an entire sign.> > > > If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform aspect > on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in Libra > varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an > entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact > longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of > Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full (100%) > if it is at 29 deg.> > > > How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru > navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude > associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra?> > > > Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign > placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see why "Mars > navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is navamsha for Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an example,and am happy to discuss. By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic influence that sector, is having with another SIGN. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not i > > see no point in wasting my time. > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one last time. > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on all points of Libra is not uniform. > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full). > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" question. > > If YES, please proceed to point (2). > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to quantify, but it is not necessary. > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and do not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's navamsa" quantify it? > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > 1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we have to tell > > this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or > > Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc. > > > > You are again and again and again bringing ''mars navamsha in > > aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes aspects are > > there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles > > of ''navamsha of mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects can > > NEVER EVER happen unless MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect Libra > > SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru > > and Guru is not placed there and no longitude associated (harmonic > > 1/9th infleunce). > > > > 2)For the easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have given > > number of houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign of > > placement, on which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of > > longitudes.i have not changed my opinion at any point. > > > > 3)The above said sign based aspects can be quantitatively measured, > > if one wants(new point that you have mentioned).Here we go by exact > > longitude.It is nothing but the quantitative form of point 2.When > > you understand point 2 ,you must understand point 3.(We do not need > > longitude of Guru - we are just measuring the aspect mentioned in > > point 2). > > > > The debate is about ''can a planet aspect another planet based on > > navamsha disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the planet > > has such a longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra. > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not i > > see no point in wasting my time. > > > > Pradeep > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep, > > > > > > > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which > > Mars > > > > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we > > say > > > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which > > Mars is > > > > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of > > Guru.I > > > > dont understand what is your doubt. > > > > > > My "doubt" is this: > > > > > > You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you are > > toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going back > > to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet need > > not aspect an entire sign. > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform aspect > > on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in Libra > > varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an > > entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact > > longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of > > Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full (100%) > > if it is at 29 deg. > > > > > > How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru > > navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude > > associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra? > > > > > > Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign > > placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see why "Mars > > navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------ - > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------ - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Dear Pradeep, I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can only guess... > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra? There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the aspected point. If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using Parasara's formula)!! Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire sign of Libra. > Your argument> regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > example,and am happy to discuss. Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa! You said: > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > i > > > see no point in wasting my time. I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a striaght yes or no makes me wonder. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- > Dear Narasimha ji> > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on> Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is navamsha for> Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument> regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > example,and am happy to discuss.> > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > --- In , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > <pvr@c...> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > i > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one > last time.> > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question.> > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to > quantify, but it is not necessary.> > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------------> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > 1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we have to > tell > > > this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or > > > Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc.> > > > > > You are again and again and again bringing ''mars navamsha in > > > aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes aspects are > > > there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles > > > of ''navamsha of mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects > can > > > NEVER EVER happen unless MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect > Libra > > > SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru> > > and Guru is not placed there and no longitude associated> (harmonic > > > 1/9th infleunce).> > > > > > 2)For the easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have > given > > > number of houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign > of > > > placement, on which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of > > > longitudes.i have not changed my opinion at any point.> > > > > > 3)The above said sign based aspects can be quantitatively > measured, > > > if one wants(new point that you have mentioned).Here we go by > exact > > > longitude.It is nothing but the quantitative form of point > 2.When > > > you understand point 2 ,you must understand point 3.(We do not > need > > > longitude of Guru - we are just measuring the aspect mentioned > in > > > point 2).> > > > > > The debate is about ''can a planet aspect another planet based > on > > > navamsha disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the > planet > > > has such a longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra.> > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > i > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in > which > > > Mars> > > > > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is > placed.When we > > > say> > > > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which > > > Mars is> > > > > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce > of > > > Guru.I> > > > > dont understand what is your doubt.> > > > > > > > My "doubt" is this:> > > > > > > > You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you > are > > > toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going > back > > > to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet > need > > > not aspect an entire sign.> > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform > aspect > > > on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in > Libra > > > varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an > > > entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact > > > longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of > > > Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full > (100%) > > > if it is at 29 deg.> > > > > > > > How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru > > > navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude > > > associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra?> > > > > > > > Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign > > > placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see > why "Mars > > > navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra.> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > > ------------------------------> -> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > ------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Dear Shri Narasimha I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand what i have been talking. If you want YES/No.Pls read. > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > all points of Libra is not uniform. > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)). This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning that you have mentioned above). This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or kshethra.It remains the same. > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed >above! It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as 1)Son 2)Father 3)Husband LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a loop!!!!. My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha? Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two. > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > >>navamsa" quantify it))? Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty. (I am expecting an answer on this ) My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha? Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two. Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even though if it gives you an edge. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can only guess... > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra? > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the aspected point. > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using Parasara's formula)!! > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire sign of Libra. > > > Your argument > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > example,and am happy to discuss. > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa! > > You said: > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > > i > > > > see no point in wasting my time. > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a striaght yes or no makes me wonder. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is navamsha for > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > example,and am happy to discuss. > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > > i > > > > see no point in wasting my time. > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one > > last time. > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > > all points of Libra is not uniform. > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full). > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > question. > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2). > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to > > quantify, but it is not necessary. > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and do > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > navamsa" quantify it? > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > 1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we have to > > tell > > > > this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or > > > > Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc. > > > > > > > > You are again and again and again bringing ''mars navamsha in > > > > aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes aspects are > > > > there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles > > > > of ''navamsha of mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects > > can > > > > NEVER EVER happen unless MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect > > Libra > > > > SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru > > > > and Guru is not placed there and no longitude associated > > (harmonic > > > > 1/9th infleunce). > > > > > > > > 2)For the easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have > > given > > > > number of houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign > > of > > > > placement, on which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of > > > > longitudes.i have not changed my opinion at any point. > > > > > > > > 3)The above said sign based aspects can be quantitatively > > measured, > > > > if one wants(new point that you have mentioned).Here we go by > > exact > > > > longitude.It is nothing but the quantitative form of point > > 2.When > > > > you understand point 2 ,you must understand point 3.(We do not > > need > > > > longitude of Guru - we are just measuring the aspect mentioned > > in > > > > point 2). > > > > > > > > The debate is about ''can a planet aspect another planet based > > on > > > > navamsha disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the > > planet > > > > has such a longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra. > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > > i > > > > see no point in wasting my time. > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in > > which > > > > Mars > > > > > > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is > > placed.When we > > > > say > > > > > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which > > > > Mars is > > > > > > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce > > of > > > > Guru.I > > > > > > dont understand what is your doubt. > > > > > > > > > > My "doubt" is this: > > > > > > > > > > You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you > > are > > > > toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going > > back > > > > to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet > > need > > > > not aspect an entire sign. > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform > > aspect > > > > on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in > > Libra > > > > varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an > > > > entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact > > > > longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of > > > > Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full > > (100%) > > > > if it is at 29 deg. > > > > > > > > > > How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru > > > > navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude > > > > associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra? > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign > > > > placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see > > why "Mars > > > > navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra. > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------------------------ > > - > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Dear Pradeep, > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> navamsha infleunce of Guru. What????? What is this distinction??? If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having navamsha infleunce of Guru." Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an explicit "yes" or "no": (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN" Cancer. Is it correct? (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in navamsa. Is it correct? If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is used in several matters. If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between Cancer and Libra to change your stand? May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:>> Dear Shri Narasimha> > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand> what i have been talking.> If you want YES/No.Pls read.> > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >> approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects >> based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on >> all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).> > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the> meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning> that you have mentioned above). > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where> maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or> kshethra.It remains the same.> > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and> >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do> >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed >above!> > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > 1)Son> 2)Father> 3)Husband> > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple> roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is> harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning> this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I> have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you> are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a> loop!!!!.> > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >> >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.> (I am expecting an answer on this )> > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even> though if it gives you an edge.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no> question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably> did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face> the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can> only guess...> > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects> various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact> angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various> strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the> longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of> aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the> aspected point.> > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li> and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away> from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using> Parasara's formula)!!> > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire> sign of Libra.> > > > > Your argument> > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were> wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude> associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa> position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is> taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa> chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > You said:> > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > > > i > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact> that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a> striaght yes or no makes me wonder.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------------> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on> > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is navamsha for> > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument> > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Pradeep> > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > > > i > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one > > > last time.> > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > question.> > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.> > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and do > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > > -------------------------------> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as well.The answer for both your questions is YES. (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN" Cancer. Is it correct? Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in navamsa. Is it correct? very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN. Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words transformed space. Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very clear and you may read our mails again. Now 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?. 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs at a point in time? If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and you are welcome and i am not interested. My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic influences.Please read my 11 points. Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but balconies with a view etc. Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted through harmonic sambandha of another kind. A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which need not be always first harmonic or conjunction. I still beleive you will take the right step!!! Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having > > navamsha infleunce of Guru. > > What????? What is this distinction??? > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having navamsha infleunce of Guru." > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an explicit "yes" or "no": > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN" Cancer. Is it correct? > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in navamsa. Is it correct? > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is used in several matters. > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between Cancer and Libra to change your stand? > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand > > what i have been talking. > > If you want YES/No.Pls read. > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > > > all points of Libra is not uniform. > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)). > > > > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning > > that you have mentioned above). > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or > > kshethra.It remains the same. > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed >above! > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > > 1)Son > > 2)Father > > 3)Husband > > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a > > loop!!!!. > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha? > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two. > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))? > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty. > > (I am expecting an answer on this ) > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha? > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two. > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even > > though if it gives you an edge. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can > > only guess... > > > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra? > > > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects > > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the > > aspected point. > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using > > Parasara's formula)!! > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire > > sign of Libra. > > > > > > > Your argument > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > example,and am happy to discuss. > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is > > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa! > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > > > > i > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time. > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is navamsha for > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > example,and am happy to discuss. > > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > > > > i > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one > > > > last time. > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform. > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full). > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2). > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary. > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and do > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > navamsa" quantify it? > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > ------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Dear Pradeep, Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed: > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > navamsha infleunce of Guru. Now you wrote: > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru. It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and hence Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction! The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different statements (with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that what you are saying by any chance? If these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other), then I think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other. Kindly make your stand clear! Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra". Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement disappears, we are back to square one. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- > Dear Narasimha ji> > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as> well.The answer for both your questions is YES.> > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> Cancer. Is it correct?> > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''> > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> navamsa. Is it correct?> > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents> sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.> > Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were> talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words> transformed space.> > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very> clear and you may read our mails again.> > Now > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?.> > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs> at a point in time?> > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and> you are welcome and i am not interested.> > My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic> influences.Please read my 11 points.> > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the> Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha> can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but> balconies with a view etc.> > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a> sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted> through harmonic sambandha of another kind.> > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it> is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which> need not be always first harmonic or conjunction.> > > I still beleive you will take the right step!!!> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > > > What????? What is this distinction???> > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per> normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not> that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having> navamsha infleunce of Guru."> > > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a> favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an> explicit "yes" or "no":> > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further> to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do> regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is> "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is> used in several matters.> > > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth> you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between> Cancer and Libra to change your stand?> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------------> > > > --- In , "vijayadas_pradeep"> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shri Narasimha> > > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand> > > what i have been talking.> > > If you want YES/No.Pls read.> > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >> > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects >> > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on >> > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).> > > > > > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the> > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning> > > that you have mentioned above). > > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where> > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or> > > kshethra.It remains the same.> > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and> > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do> > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed> >above!> > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > > > 1)Son> > > 2)Father> > > 3)Husband> > > > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple> > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is> > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning> > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I> > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you> > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a> > > loop!!!!.> > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >> > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.> > > (I am expecting an answer on this )> > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even> > > though if it gives you an edge.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no> > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably> > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face> > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can> > > only guess...> > > > > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects> > > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact> > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various> > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the> > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of> > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the> > > aspected point.> > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li> > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away> > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using> > > Parasara's formula)!!> > > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire> > > sign of Libra.> > > > > > > > > Your argument> > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were> > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude> > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa> > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is> > > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa> > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > > > > > You said:> > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> discussion.if not > > > > > i > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact> > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a> > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > > -------------------------------> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of> Mars on> > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is> navamsha for> > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument> > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> discussion.if not > > > > > i > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try> one > > > > > last time.> > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an> aspects > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his> aspect on > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on> 29 deg > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > > question.> > > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on> how to > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.> > > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra> and do > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> does > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed. Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA sector is pointing towards the harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree sector is having with SIGN Libra. Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini Rashi and Not in LIBRA Rashi. LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA rashi as it is one among the numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign is having on other signs. Hope this is clear Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed: > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru. > > Now you wrote: > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru. > > It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and hence Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction! > > The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different statements (with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that what you are saying by any chance? > > If these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other), then I think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other. > > Kindly make your stand clear! > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra". > > Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement disappears, we are back to square one. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as > > well.The answer for both your questions is YES. > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN" > > Cancer. Is it correct? > > > > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in > > navamsa. Is it correct? > > > > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents > > sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN. > > > > Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were > > talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words > > transformed space. > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very > > clear and you may read our mails again. > > > > Now > > > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?. > > > > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs > > at a point in time? > > > > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and > > you are welcome and i am not interested. > > > > My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic > > influences.Please read my 11 points. > > > > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the > > Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha > > can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but > > balconies with a view etc. > > > > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a > > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted > > through harmonic sambandha of another kind. > > > > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it > > is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which > > need not be always first harmonic or conjunction. > > > > > > I still beleive you will take the right step!!! > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru. > > > > > > What????? What is this distinction??? > > > > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per > > normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not > > that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having > > navamsha infleunce of Guru." > > > > > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a > > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an > > explicit "yes" or "no": > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN" > > Cancer. Is it correct? > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in > > navamsa. Is it correct? > > > > > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further > > to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do > > regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is > > "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is > > used in several matters. > > > > > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth > > you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between > > Cancer and Libra to change your stand? > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha > > > > > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand > > > > what i have been talking. > > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read. > > > > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform. > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please > > > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)). > > > > > > > > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the > > > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning > > > > that you have mentioned above). > > > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where > > > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or > > > > kshethra.It remains the same. > > > > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and > > > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do > > > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars > > > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed > > >above! > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > > > > 1)Son > > > > 2)Father > > > > 3)Husband > > > > > > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple > > > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is > > > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning > > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I > > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you > > > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a > > > > loop!!!!. > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha? > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two. > > > > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))? > > > > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty. > > > > (I am expecting an answer on this ) > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha? > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even > > > > though if it gives you an edge. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no > > > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably > > > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face > > > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can > > > > only guess... > > > > > > > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra? > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects > > > > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact > > > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various > > > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the > > > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of > > > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the > > > > aspected point. > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li > > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away > > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using > > > > Parasara's formula)!! > > > > > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire > > > > sign of Libra. > > > > > > > > > > > Your argument > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss. > > > > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is > > > > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa > > > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa! > > > > > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this > > discussion.if not > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time. > > > > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact > > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a > > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder. > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of > > Mars on > > > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is > > navamsha for > > > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss. > > > > > > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another > > > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this > > discussion.if not > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try > > one > > > > > > last time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an > > aspects > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his > > aspect on > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on > > 29 deg > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on > > how to > > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra > > and do > > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars > > does > > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > > > navamsa" quantify it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Dear Pradeep, You did not answer my question. I asked: > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? You did not answer it. This is important for further discussion. If that entity does not exist in your dictionary, I wonder how you interpret the term "lagna's shadvargas" mentioned by Parasara in the raja yoga verse we discussed. If that entity does exist in your dictionary, I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your view. If they are not, please elaborate what each means to you. If they are equivalent, please tell me why my conclusion that you contradicted yourself in two consecutive posts is wrong (see what I wrote below in the quoted post). If you don't directly answer my straight-forward questions, I will have to conclude that you are not genuinely interested in a dialog and will have to ignore all the rhetoric you resort to in other mails. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear Narasimha ji> > GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed.> Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA sector is pointing towards the harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree sector is having with SIGN Libra.> > Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini Rashi and Not in LIBRA Rashi.> LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA rashi as it is one among the numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign is having on other signs.> > Hope this is clear> Pradeep> --- In vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed:> > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > > > Now you wrote:> > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.> > > > It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and hence Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction!> > > > The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different statements (with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that what you are saying by any chance?> > > > If these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other), then I think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other.> > > > Kindly make your stand clear!> > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra".> > > > Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement disappears, we are back to square one.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------------> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as> > > well.The answer for both your questions is YES.> > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > > Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''> > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> > > navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > > > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents> > > sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.> > > > > > Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were> > > talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words> > > transformed space.> > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very> > > clear and you may read our mails again.> > > > > > Now > > > > > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?.> > > > > > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs> > > at a point in time?> > > > > > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and> > > you are welcome and i am not interested.> > > > > > My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic> > > influences.Please read my 11 points.> > > > > > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the> > > Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha> > > can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but> > > balconies with a view etc.> > > > > > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a> > > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted> > > through harmonic sambandha of another kind.> > > > > > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it> > > is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which> > > need not be always first harmonic or conjunction.> > > > > > > > > I still beleive you will take the right step!!!> > > > > > Thanks> > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > > > > > > > What????? What is this distinction???> > > > > > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per> > > normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not> > > that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having> > > navamsha infleunce of Guru."> > > > > > > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a> > > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an> > > explicit "yes" or "no":> > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > > Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> > > navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further> > > to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do> > > regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is> > > "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is> > > used in several matters.> > > > > > > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth> > > you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between> > > Cancer and Libra to change your stand?> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > > -------------------------------> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha> > > > > > > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand> > > > > what i have been talking.> > > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read.> > > > > > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >> > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects >> > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on >> > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> > > > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).> > > > > > > > > > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the> > > > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning> > > > > that you have mentioned above). > > > > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where> > > > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or> > > > > kshethra.It remains the same.> > > > > > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and> > > > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do> > > > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed> > > >above!> > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > > > > > 1)Son> > > > > 2)Father> > > > > 3)Husband> > > > > > > > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple> > > > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is> > > > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning> > > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I> > > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you> > > > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a> > > > > loop!!!!.> > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >> > > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > > > > > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.> > > > > (I am expecting an answer on this )> > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even> > > > > though if it gives you an edge.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no> > > > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably> > > > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face> > > > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can> > > > > only guess...> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects> > > > > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact> > > > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various> > > > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the> > > > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of> > > > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the> > > > > aspected point.> > > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li> > > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away> > > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using> > > > > Parasara's formula)!!> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire> > > > > sign of Libra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your argument> > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were> > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude> > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa> > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is> > > > > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa> > > > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > > > > > > > > > You said:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact> > > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a> > > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.> > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of> > > Mars on> > > > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is> > > navamsha for> > > > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument> > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> > > > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try> > > one > > > > > > > last time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an> > > aspects > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his> > > aspect on > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on> > > 29 deg > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > > > > question.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on> > > how to > > > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra> > > and do > > > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > does > > > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > > > > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji There is nothing like my dictionary. Jupiter has a placement in Zodiac.A single placement. > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? Yes there is an entity(not jupiters in specific but navamsha of a graha in general).It is one among the shadvargas of a graha(If you want i can give the shloka) Jupiters Navamsha is the specific 3.20 degrees sector falling within the 30 degree Rashi in which it is placed. >>>I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your view. Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up isolated statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style. We can answer them only w.r to the Rashis in which the corresponding navamsha is falling. By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi. By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was Jupiter is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed in Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees). Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > You did not answer my question. I asked: > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" > > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? > > You did not answer it. This is important for further discussion. > > If that entity does not exist in your dictionary, I wonder how you interpret the term "lagna's shadvargas" mentioned by Parasara in the raja yoga verse we discussed. If that entity does exist in your dictionary, I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your view. > > If they are not, please elaborate what each means to you. If they are equivalent, please tell me why my conclusion that you contradicted yourself in two consecutive posts is wrong (see what I wrote below in the quoted post). > > If you don't directly answer my straight-forward questions, I will have to conclude that you are not genuinely interested in a dialog and will have to ignore all the rhetoric you resort to in other mails. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed. > > Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA sector is pointing towards the harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree sector is having with SIGN Libra. > > > > Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini Rashi and Not in LIBRA Rashi. > > LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA rashi as it is one among the numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign is having on other signs. > > > > Hope this is clear > > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed: > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru. > > > > > > Now you wrote: > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra > > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru. > > > > > > It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and hence Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction! > > > > > > The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different statements (with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that what you are saying by any chance? > > > > > > If these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other), then I think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other. > > > > > > Kindly make your stand clear! > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra". > > > > > > Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement disappears, we are back to square one. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as > > > > well.The answer for both your questions is YES. > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN" > > > > Cancer. Is it correct? > > > > > > > > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in > > > > navamsa. Is it correct? > > > > > > > > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > > > > > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents > > > > sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN. > > > > > > > > Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were > > > > talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words > > > > transformed space. > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra > > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very > > > > clear and you may read our mails again. > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?. > > > > > > > > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs > > > > at a point in time? > > > > > > > > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and > > > > you are welcome and i am not interested. > > > > > > > > My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic > > > > influences.Please read my 11 points. > > > > > > > > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the > > > > Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha > > > > can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but > > > > balconies with a view etc. > > > > > > > > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a > > > > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted > > > > through harmonic sambandha of another kind. > > > > > > > > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it > > > > is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which > > > > need not be always first harmonic or conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > I still beleive you will take the right step!!! > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru. > > > > > > > > > > What????? What is this distinction??? > > > > > > > > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per > > > > normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not > > > > that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru." > > > > > > > > > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a > > > > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an > > > > explicit "yes" or "no": > > > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN" > > > > Cancer. Is it correct? > > > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in > > > > navamsa. Is it correct? > > > > > > > > > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further > > > > to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do > > > > regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is > > > > "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is > > > > used in several matters. > > > > > > > > > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth > > > > you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between > > > > Cancer and Libra to change your stand? > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand > > > > > > what i have been talking. > > > > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please > > > > > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)). > > > > > > > > > > > > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the > > > > > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning > > > > > > that you have mentioned above). > > > > > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where > > > > > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or > > > > > > kshethra.It remains the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and > > > > > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do > > > > > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars > > > > > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed > > > > >above! > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > > > > > > 1)Son > > > > > > 2)Father > > > > > > 3)Husband > > > > > > > > > > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple > > > > > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is > > > > > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning > > > > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I > > > > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you > > > > > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a > > > > > > loop!!!!. > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does > > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha? > > > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is > > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is > > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty. > > > > > > (I am expecting an answer on this ) > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does > > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha? > > > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is > > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is > > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even > > > > > > though if it gives you an edge. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no > > > > > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably > > > > > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face > > > > > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can > > > > > > only guess... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects > > > > > > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact > > > > > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various > > > > > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the > > > > > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of > > > > > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the > > > > > > aspected point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li > > > > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away > > > > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using > > > > > > Parasara's formula)!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire > > > > > > sign of Libra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your argument > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were > > > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude > > > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa > > > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is > > > > > > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa > > > > > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this > > > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact > > > > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a > > > > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of > > > > Mars on > > > > > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is > > > > navamsha for > > > > > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another > > > > > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this > > > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try > > > > one > > > > > > > > last time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on > > > > 29 deg > > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on > > > > how to > > > > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra > > > > and do > > > > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars > > > > does > > > > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > > > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > > > > > navamsa" quantify it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Dear Pradeep, > There is nothing like my dictionary. Though you say so, the rest of your mail does convince me that you have your own terminology and "intended meanings". > By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was > Jupiter is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed in > Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees). > > By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning was > Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among > the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi. If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and in Li in navamsa. In such a case, people normally say that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Li. As per YOUR terminology as explained above, it seems to me that Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case (because "Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you correctly? Now, with this terminology, I wonder how you interpret the raja yoga verse we discussed at the beginning of this thread. It talks about the same planet occupying or aspecting "lagna's shadvargas", i.e. lagna's rasi, lagna's navamsa, lagna's hora, lagna's drekkana, lagna's dwadasamsa and lagna's trimsamsa. If lagna is at 2 deg in Ge, according to the terminology you introduced above, "lagna's navamsa" is in Ge (because "lagna has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi), "lagna's dwadasamsa" is in Ge (because, similar to what you said, "lagna has some Dwadasamsa and that Dwadasamsa is one among the twelve dwadasamsas within" Gemini Rashi) and so on. Thus, all the six "lagna's shadvargas" are in Ge rashi according to interpretation you gave above. Thus, any planet occupying or aspecting Ge rashi can give this raja yoga. Is that what you are saying? The normal interpretation is different. If lagna is at 2 deg in Ge, normally we take "lagna's rasi" as Ge, "lagna's navamsa" as Li, "lagna's trimsamsa" as Ar etc. The normal interpretation requires the same planet to occupy/aspect all these signs (in various divisions). With your interpretation of "lagna's navamsa", all of "lagna's shadvargas" fall in the same sign and this yoga is becoming a trivial yoga. Is that what you are saying? If you are not saying this, then are you withdrawing the interpretation you gave above for the term "Jupiter's navamsha" and agreeing that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are equivalent statements? If you do so, you will have to acknowledge that you contradicted yourself in the two posts I quoted below. > Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up isolated > statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style. Well, these are questions related to your termonology. If one is not able to answer objective questions on terminology with clarity, there is no point in discussing anything whatsoever! One using terms vaguely can say something in one mail, contradict oneself in another mail and then deny the contradiction by giving yet another vague explanation and playing with words. Asking pointed questions and getting clarity on the terminology can eliminate such things! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear Narasimha ji> > There is nothing like my dictionary.> > Jupiter has a placement in Zodiac.A single placement.> > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"> > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?> > Yes there is an entity(not jupiters in specific but navamsha of a graha in general).It is one among the shadvargas of a graha(If you want i can give the shloka)> > Jupiters Navamsha is the specific 3.20 degrees sector falling within the 30 degree Rashi in which it is placed. > > >>>I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your view.> > Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up isolated statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style.> We can answer them only w.r to the Rashis in which the corresponding navamsha is falling. > > By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi.> > By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was Jupiter is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed in Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees).> > > > Thanks> Pradeep> --- In vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > You did not answer my question. I asked:> > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"> > > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?> > > > You did not answer it. This is important for further discussion.> > > > If that entity does not exist in your dictionary, I wonder how you interpret the term "lagna's shadvargas" mentioned by Parasara in the raja yoga verse we discussed. If that entity does exist in your dictionary, I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your view.> > > > If they are not, please elaborate what each means to you. If they are equivalent, please tell me why my conclusion that you contradicted yourself in two consecutive posts is wrong (see what I wrote below in the quoted post).> > > > If you don't directly answer my straight-forward questions, I will have to conclude that you are not genuinely interested in a dialog and will have to ignore all the rhetoric you resort to in other mails.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------------> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed.> > > Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA sector is pointing towards the harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree sector is having with SIGN Libra.> > > > > > Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini Rashi and Not in LIBRA Rashi.> > > LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA rashi as it is one among the numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign is having on other signs.> > > > > > Hope this is clear> > > Pradeep> > > --- In vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed:> > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > > > > > > > Now you wrote:> > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.> > > > > > > > It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and hence Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction!> > > > > > > > The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different statements (with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that what you are saying by any chance?> > > > > > > > If these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other), then I think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other.> > > > > > > > Kindly make your stand clear!> > > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra".> > > > > > > > Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement disappears, we are back to square one.> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > > -------------------------------> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as> > > > > well.The answer for both your questions is YES.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > > > > Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''> > > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> > > > > navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > > > > > > > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents> > > > > sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were> > > > > talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words> > > > > transformed space.> > > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very> > > > > clear and you may read our mails again.> > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?.> > > > > > > > > > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs> > > > > at a point in time?> > > > > > > > > > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and> > > > > you are welcome and i am not interested.> > > > > > > > > > My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic> > > > > influences.Please read my 11 points.> > > > > > > > > > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the> > > > > Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha> > > > > can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but> > > > > balconies with a view etc.> > > > > > > > > > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a> > > > > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted> > > > > through harmonic sambandha of another kind.> > > > > > > > > > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it> > > > > is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which> > > > > need not be always first harmonic or conjunction.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still beleive you will take the right step!!!> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > > > > > > > > > > > What????? What is this distinction???> > > > > > > > > > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per> > > > > normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not> > > > > that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having> > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru."> > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a> > > > > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an> > > > > explicit "yes" or "no":> > > > > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > > > > Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> > > > > navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further> > > > > to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do> > > > > regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is> > > > > "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is> > > > > used in several matters.> > > > > > > > > > > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth> > > > > you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between> > > > > Cancer and Libra to change your stand?> > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand> > > > > > > what i have been talking.> > > > > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >> > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects >> > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on >> > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> > > > > > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the> > > > > > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning> > > > > > > that you have mentioned above). > > > > > > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where> > > > > > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or> > > > > > > kshethra.It remains the same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and> > > > > > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do> > > > > > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed> > > > > >above!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > > > > > > > 1)Son> > > > > > > 2)Father> > > > > > > 3)Husband> > > > > > > > > > > > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple> > > > > > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is> > > > > > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning> > > > > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I> > > > > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you> > > > > > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a> > > > > > > loop!!!!.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >> > > > > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.> > > > > > > (I am expecting an answer on this )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even> > > > > > > though if it gives you an edge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no> > > > > > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably> > > > > > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face> > > > > > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can> > > > > > > only guess...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects> > > > > > > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact> > > > > > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various> > > > > > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the> > > > > > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of> > > > > > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the> > > > > > > aspected point.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li> > > > > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away> > > > > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using> > > > > > > Parasara's formula)!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire> > > > > > > sign of Libra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your argument> > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were> > > > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude> > > > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa> > > > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is> > > > > > > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa> > > > > > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> > > > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact> > > > > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a> > > > > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of> > > > > Mars on> > > > > > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is> > > > > navamsha for> > > > > > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument> > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> > > > > > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > > > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> > > > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try> > > > > one > > > > > > > > > last time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an> > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his> > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on> > > > > 29 deg > > > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > > > > > > question.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > > > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on> > > > > how to > > > > > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra> > > > > and do > > > > > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > > > > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > > > > > > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Dear Pradeep, >>If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and in Li in navamsa. >>In such a case, people normally say that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Li.> > Agreed.Normally we can talk like that.But with you it is not possible. > Because you have your own theories. If "normally we can talk like that", then you should have "talked like that" from the beginning, instead of giving a different interpretation of the term "Jupiter's navamsa" with each other mail. One can read the thread quoted below to see how you flip-flopped on what exactly that term meant. After flip-flopping and finally agreeing with me, it is quite lame to blame ME for YOUR inconsistency. The thing you have finally "agreed" to above is what I have ALWAYS maintained. So, where is the question of I having my own theories and I blocking you from agreeing to the above? Out of your own volition, you gave different interpretations of the term "Jupiter's navamsa". Out of your own volition, now you "agreed". Don't blame me. >>As per YOUR terminology as explained above, it seems to me that >>Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case (because >>"Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the >>nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you >>correctly?> > You know for sure that you have not understood me corerctly. In your own words, "By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi." I used the same logic you gave above and just replaced Libra with Gemini. Then I got the statement "By Jupiter's navamsha is in Gemini - the intended meaning was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within Gemini Rashi." That is indeed the case for Jupiter at 2 deg in Ge. Hence it seems quite straight-forward that "Jupiter's navamsha" should be in Ge as per the interpretation you gave. When I applied the interpetation you gave in a straight-forward way, you come back and say "You know for sure that you have not understood me corerctly." I don't know of ANY OTHER way to understand what you wrote! This is APPALLING. I have been very patient with you. Instead of big philosophical points, I stuck to simple practical points and tried to get closure on atleast some basic terminology so that debate can be taken to more involved areas. If you cannot even clearly define your own terminology and STICK WITH IT, you should stay away from debates. After patiently arguing with you and giving you the benefit of doubt for a long time, I am fully convinced that you keep changing your stand without acknowledging that you were previously wrong. Someone who contradicts himself conveniently and does not even acknowledge it is not fit for a debate. This is the end of my debate with you. When and if you form a clear understanding of what various terms mean and can maintain consistency in terminology, I can consider debating with you again. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear Narasimha ji> > >>If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and in Li in navamsa. In such a case, people normally say that >>"Jupiter's navamsa" is in Li.> > Agreed.Normally we can talk like that.But with you it is not possible.Because you have your own theories.You will then again try to find another navamsha and some special degrees within Libra RASHI for jupiter!!!.Thus i have to differentiate between Gemini Rashi,Libra Rashi and Libra Navamsha.Thus i had to say ''in'' cannot be used as jupiter is not IN Libra Rashi but in Gemini Rashi.Hope you remember the context -I can give you reference in case of difficulties.> > >>As per YOUR terminology as explained above, it seems to me that Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case (because >>"Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you >>correctly?> > You know for sure that you have not understood me corerctly.You have to say - Jupiter's some navamsha(libra in this case) is in Gemini(Rashi).> This Libra navamsha will be related to Libra Rashi through amshakarashi/Rashi relationship.If you want i can give you shlokas - If seventh from lagna has amshaka of Shani and drishti of Papa Grahas wife will have Yoni Roga and all etc to know how amsha of planet is joining its Rashi through the above said relationship.This is not my theory.> > > Regarding Rajayoga my understanding is as below.This was explained many times.Shri Finn too had explained this once.Shri Inderjit ji had analysed your chart using the amashaka/rashi relationship.> > Assume Lagna is at 2 deg in Ge.> > Then Lagna is in Gemini Rashi.Lagna Navamsha is Libra.Lagna Trimshamsha is Aries.It means Lagna has attained libra/aries,navamsha/trimshamshas respectively within Gemini Rashi.Now through asmhakarashi/rashi relationship libra navamsha and aries trimshamshas are related to Libra and Aries Rashis.(This kind of relationship is not my theory).> > If one planet is conjoining or aspecting all these signs(acting as shad vargas of Lagna) then full Rajayoga results.> 1)In certain cases all the shadvargas can fall in a single sign.Then a planet is conjoining all.> 2)In certain other cases a planet can aspect some signs and conjoin another.For example assume Guru is placed in dhanu. Dhanu/Aries and Leo happen to be the shadvargas of lagna.Then Guru is either aspecting or conjuncting all the shadvargas of lagna.> > As we have a single Zodiac,12 Rashis and a single lagna placement at a point in time - all these happen within the same Rashi Chakra.I hope you will not bring in your imaginary zodiac kind of theories or degrees again.> > > Thanks> Pradeep> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > There is nothing like my dictionary.> > > > Though you say so, the rest of your mail does convince me that you have your own terminology and "intended meanings".> > > > > By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was> > > Jupiter is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed in> > > Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees).> > > > > > By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning was> > > Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among> > > the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi.> > > > If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and in Li in navamsa. In such a case, people normally say that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Li. As per YOUR terminology as explained above, it seems to me that Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case (because "Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you correctly?> > > > Now, with this terminology, I wonder how you interpret the raja yoga verse we discussed at the beginning of this thread. It talks about the same planet occupying or aspecting "lagna's shadvargas", i.e. lagna's rasi, lagna's navamsa, lagna's hora, lagna's drekkana, lagna's dwadasamsa and lagna's trimsamsa.> > > > If lagna is at 2 deg in Ge, according to the terminology you introduced above, "lagna's navamsa" is in Ge (because "lagna has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi), "lagna's dwadasamsa" is in Ge (because, similar to what you said, "lagna has some Dwadasamsa and that Dwadasamsa is one among the twelve dwadasamsas within" Gemini Rashi) and so on. Thus, all the six "lagna's shadvargas" are in Ge rashi according to interpretation you gave above. Thus, any planet occupying or aspecting Ge rashi can give this raja yoga.> > > > Is that what you are saying? The normal interpretation is different. If lagna is at 2 deg in Ge, normally we take "lagna's rasi" as Ge, "lagna's navamsa" as Li, "lagna's trimsamsa" as Ar etc. The normal interpretation requires the same planet to occupy/aspect all these signs (in various divisions). With your interpretation of "lagna's navamsa", all of "lagna's shadvargas" fall in the same sign and this yoga is becoming a trivial yoga. Is that what you are saying?> > > > If you are not saying this, then are you withdrawing the interpretation you gave above for the term "Jupiter's navamsha" and agreeing that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are equivalent statements? If you do so, you will have to acknowledge that you contradicted yourself in the two posts I quoted below.> > > > > Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up isolated> > > statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style.> > > > Well, these are questions related to your termonology. If one is not able to answer objective questions on terminology with clarity, there is no point in discussing anything whatsoever!> > > > One using terms vaguely can say something in one mail, contradict oneself in another mail and then deny the contradiction by giving yet another vague explanation and playing with words. Asking pointed questions and getting clarity on the terminology can eliminate such things!> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------------> > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > There is nothing like my dictionary.> > > > > > Jupiter has a placement in Zodiac.A single placement.> > > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"> > > > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?> > > > > > Yes there is an entity(not jupiters in specific but navamsha of a graha in general).It is one among the shadvargas of a graha(If you want i can give the shloka)> > > > > > Jupiters Navamsha is the specific 3.20 degrees sector falling within the 30 degree Rashi in which it is placed. > > > > > > >>>I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your view.> > > > > > Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up isolated statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style.> > > We can answer them only w.r to the Rashis in which the corresponding navamsha is falling. > > > > > > By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi.> > > > > > By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was Jupiter is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed in Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees).> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > Pradeep> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > You did not answer my question. I asked:> > > > > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"> > > > > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?> > > > > > > > You did not answer it. This is important for further discussion.> > > > > > > > If that entity does not exist in your dictionary, I wonder how you interpret the term "lagna's shadvargas" mentioned by Parasara in the raja yoga verse we discussed. If that entity does exist in your dictionary, I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your view.> > > > > > > > If they are not, please elaborate what each means to you. If they are equivalent, please tell me why my conclusion that you contradicted yourself in two consecutive posts is wrong (see what I wrote below in the quoted post).> > > > > > > > If you don't directly answer my straight-forward questions, I will have to conclude that you are not genuinely interested in a dialog and will have to ignore all the rhetoric you resort to in other mails.> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > > -------------------------------> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed.> > > > > Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA sector is pointing towards the harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree sector is having with SIGN Libra.> > > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini Rashi and Not in LIBRA Rashi.> > > > > LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA rashi as it is one among the numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign is having on other signs.> > > > > > > > > > Hope this is clear> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now you wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > > > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.> > > > > > > > > > > > It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and hence Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction!> > > > > > > > > > > > The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different statements (with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that what you are saying by any chance?> > > > > > > > > > > > If these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other), then I think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other.> > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly make your stand clear!> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra".> > > > > > > > > > > > Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement disappears, we are back to square one.> > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as> > > > > > > well.The answer for both your questions is YES.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > > > > > > Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> > > > > > > navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents> > > > > > > sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were> > > > > > > talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words> > > > > > > transformed space.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > > > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very> > > > > > > clear and you may read our mails again.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs> > > > > > > at a point in time?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and> > > > > > > you are welcome and i am not interested.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic> > > > > > > influences.Please read my 11 points.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the> > > > > > > Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha> > > > > > > can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but> > > > > > > balconies with a view etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a> > > > > > > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted> > > > > > > through harmonic sambandha of another kind.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it> > > > > > > is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which> > > > > > > need not be always first harmonic or conjunction.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still beleive you will take the right step!!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What????? What is this distinction???> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per> > > > > > > normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not> > > > > > > that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having> > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru."> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a> > > > > > > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an> > > > > > > explicit "yes" or "no":> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > > > > > > Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> > > > > > > navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further> > > > > > > to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do> > > > > > > regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is> > > > > > > "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is> > > > > > > used in several matters.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth> > > > > > > you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between> > > > > > > Cancer and Libra to change your stand?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand> > > > > > > > > what i have been talking.> > > > > > > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >> > > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects >> > > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on >> > > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> > > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> > > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> > > > > > > > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the> > > > > > > > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning> > > > > > > > > that you have mentioned above). > > > > > > > > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where> > > > > > > > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or> > > > > > > > > kshethra.It remains the same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and> > > > > > > > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do> > > > > > > > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > > > > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed> > > > > > > >above!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > > > > > > > > > 1)Son> > > > > > > > > 2)Father> > > > > > > > > 3)Husband> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple> > > > > > > > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is> > > > > > > > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning> > > > > > > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I> > > > > > > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you> > > > > > > > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a> > > > > > > > > loop!!!!.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > > > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > > > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > > > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >> > > > > > > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.> > > > > > > > > (I am expecting an answer on this )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > > > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > > > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > > > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even> > > > > > > > > though if it gives you an edge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no> > > > > > > > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably> > > > > > > > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face> > > > > > > > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can> > > > > > > > > only guess...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects> > > > > > > > > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact> > > > > > > > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various> > > > > > > > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the> > > > > > > > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of> > > > > > > > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the> > > > > > > > > aspected point.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li> > > > > > > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away> > > > > > > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using> > > > > > > > > Parasara's formula)!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire> > > > > > > > > sign of Libra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your argument> > > > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were> > > > > > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude> > > > > > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa> > > > > > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is> > > > > > > > > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa> > > > > > > > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> > > > > > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact> > > > > > > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a> > > > > > > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of> > > > > > > Mars on> > > > > > > > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is> > > > > > > navamsha for> > > > > > > > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument> > > > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> > > > > > > > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > > > > > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> > > > > > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try> > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > last time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an> > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his> > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on> > > > > > > 29 deg > > > > > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > > > > > > > > question.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > > > > > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on> > > > > > > how to > > > > > > > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra> > > > > > > and do > > > > > > > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > > > > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > > > > > > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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