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Dear Pradeep,

 

> I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting>

Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''.

 

Fantastic! Now I think we can talk further. Let me summarize my understanding of

what you just accepted.

 

Suppose Mars is at 2 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 22 deg in Aries. Then

"kshetra Mars" (or "rasi Mars" - see my other mail for the

definitions/notation) is in Aries (at 2 deg). The "navamsa Mars" is in Aries

too. The "navamsa Jupiter" is in Libra.

 

You are accepting that "kshetra Mars" aspects "navamsa Jupiter". I hope I am not misrepresenting.

 

Now, you are saying that "navamsa Mars", though in the same sign as "kshetra

Mars", does not aspect "navamsa Jupiter" in Libra, for the simple reason that

he does not have a longitude. I hope I am not misrepresenting ytou.

 

Now, a couple of simple things I request you to ponder:

 

(1) If "kshetra Mars" is in Aries and aspects Libra, why doesn't "navamsa Mars"

do the same as he is in Aries too?

 

If the reason is that "kshetra Mars" has a longitude and "navamsa Mars" does not

have a longitude, then why does "kshetra Mars" aspect "navamsa Jupiter" in

Libra, who also does NOT have a longitude?

 

As per longitudinal aspects you refer to, longitude of the aspecting planet and

longitude of the aspected planet decide the aspect. Both longitudes are needed.

As "navamsa Jupiter" in Libra does not have a longitude (according to you), how

come aspect on him by "kshetra Mars" can be evaluated?

 

If aspected planet's rasi is enough and exact longitude is not needed to

evaluate the aspect, why can't we say the same thing about an aspecting planet?

Why can't I say that "aspecting planet's rasi is enough and exact longitude is

not needed to evaluate the aspect"?

 

(2) When we say that "navamsa Mars" is in Aries, where in Aries is he? At 5 deg

or 15 deg or 20 deg? Where? Is he at some indeterminate position? How can he be

in Aries, but not at a specific longitude in Aries?

 

To me, the way charts like navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa,

dwadasamsa-dwadasamsa are defined makes it absolutely clear that there are

longitudes in divisions too. If Mars is physically at 2 deg in Aries, then

"kshetra Mars" is at 2 deg in Aries and navamsa Mars is at 2x9=18 deg in Aries.

If Jupiter is physically at 22 deg in Aries, then "kshetra Jupiter" is at 22 deg

in Aries and "navamsa Jupiter" is at 2x9=18 deg in Libra.

 

Thus, as per my understanding, exact longitudinal aspect between "navamsa Mars"

and "navamsa Jupiter" can be evaluated.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:>> Namaste Narasimha ji> > There is no

inconsistency at all.> The longitudinal degrees of planets and Lagna are marked

w.r to> RASHI(Signs).Parashara framed aspectual rules based on longitudes.Thus>

it is clear that aspects have to be understood only through Rashi>

dispositions.> > When we talk about physical Position,it points to the natal

degree of> a planet or Lagna.Then based on the divsion of Zodiac -This planet

or> Lagna will have Rashi/Navamsha etc.> > The debate is about ''One Planet

Aspecting Another Planet(MARS &> JUPITER),based on Navamsha disposition''.We

record planets and Lagna> based on RASHI degree and want to see aspects based

on Navamsha> disposition.Record using one scale and measure using another!!!> >

Let us take my cases to make it more clear.> > Case - 1 - Jupiter in Gemini

RASHI aspecting Lagna NAVAMSHA.This> aspect is purely based on Rashi

disposition.> > Case - 2 - Mars in Aries RASHI is aspecting the NAVAMSHA of>

jupiter.This aspect is purely based on RASHI disposition.> > Now let us take

your case> > Mars 2 deg Aries & Jupiter 22 deg Aries.Do they have Longitudinal>

Possibility for aspects based on '''RASHI'' disposition? NO.Where as> it is

possible for the 2 cases mentioned above.It is not at all a> complex point. > >

I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting>

Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''.But this is not the topic of> debate.It is

about two planets aspecting each other by virtue of their> navamsha

disposition(isn't it the case if we draw a navamsha chart and> see

aspects),which is never psossible. > > I will give an analogy in another mail.>

> Thanks> Pradeep> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...>> wrote:> >> > Namaste Pradeep,> > > > > 1)Aspects can happen only if

planets are longitudinally disposed so.> > > (You Know the rules).> > > > > >

2)Let us Take your example.> > > a)Lagna is at 22 deg in Aries> > > b)Jupiter

is at 18 deg Gemini> > > C)Lagna navamsha is Libra> > > > > > Now my question

is whether you project or do not project,can Jupiter > > > in Gemini aspect

Libra Sign or not.Yes by 5th special aspect.> > > > > > 3)Now Let us take your

second example.> > > a)Mars is at 2 deg Aries> > > b)Jupiter is at 22 deg

Aries> > > > > > Now my question is whether you project or do not,Can Mars at

2deg > > > Aries aspect Jupiter at 22 deg Aries.No.Aspectual rules from > > >

Parashara allows that.> > > > Let me add something to point 3 and construct it

similar to what you> said at the end of point 2:> > > > "3)Now Let us take your

second example.> > a)Mars is at 2 deg Aries> > b)Jupiter is at 22 deg Aries> >

C)Mars navamsha is in Aries.> > D)Jupiter navamsha is in Libra.> > > > Now my

question is whether you project or do not project, can Mars> in Aries aspect

Libra sign or not. Yes by 7th house aspect."> > > > See, this is constructed

the same way as what you said in 2. Yet,> you have a problem. That is where I

see inconsistency. You are> applying one paradigm to "lagna navamsa" and quite

another paradigm to> "Jupiter navamsa". When it comes to lagna at 22 deg in Ar,

you are> accepting "lagna navamsa" in Libra sign and finding longitudinal>

aspects on Libra. When it comes to Jupiter at 22 deg in Ar, you are> not

accepting "Jupiter navamsa" in Libra sign and going back to Aries> to evaluate

aspects. I see a HUGE inconsistency.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, >

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Dear Mr.PVR Narsimaha Rao,

 

In your Jagannath Hora software Version 7.02, under the Basics tab, what is V2,

... therough V12, and the Kunda at the bottom? Also, if someone can explain

under the Miscellany tab (Laghu Parashari), where it is to be found in Laghu

Parashari. I looked for such analysis, but didn't find any such thing in there.

 

I also noticed that under the Panchang, the Rahu Kalam calculations are not

accurate. Please, check and advice.

 

With best regards,

 

Adya

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Dear Narasimha ji

 

> > I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars

apsecting Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''.(Pradeep)

>

>

> Suppose Mars is at 2 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 22 deg in Aries.

Then "kshetra Mars" (or "rasi Mars" - see my other mail for the

definitions/notation) is in Aries (at 2 deg). The "navamsa Mars" is in

Aries too. The "navamsa Jupiter" is in Libra.

> > You are accepting that "kshetra Mars" aspects "navamsa Jupiter".

I hope I am not misrepresenting.(Narasimha)

>

 

If you closely look at my first statement - you are slightly

misrepresenting me.

 

It is not ''Kshethra of Mars'' or ''Navamsha of Mars'' that is

aspecting.It is Mars that is aspecting.From that longitudinal

disposition in zodiac,it can cast aspect only over certain

sectors.This resultant sector is a rashi of 30 degree span.This Rashi

assumes numerous roles -a)It can be a Ksehthra for a planet(Kshethra

of Mars) b)It can be the Rashi in which a planet has navamsha

influence(Navamsha of Mras).c)It can be a Rashi in whcih a planet is

having dashamsha influence(Dashamsha of Mras).Classical astrologers

say - ''Shukran Amshichirikkunna Rashi'' This means the sign in which

Shukras amsha has joined.Or sign having amsha influence of Shukra.

 

Thus the Mars in your example is able to cast aspect not because of

Kshethra or Navamsha disposition.It is because of the Rashi chakra

dispositon based on 30 degree rule.Now we have only 12 Rashis.We do

not have seperate 12 navamsha Rashi,12 saptamsha Rashi etc.Divisions

within a Rashi is again individually related to one of the 12 Rashis

with varying influence.

 

There is only one position and hence one longitude for any lagna or

planet at a point in time.We can record this using any scale that we

like.The scale chosen by Parashara was signs of 30 degree

sectors.Aspectual rules were also based on this and we both do

agree.If you want to record them based on navamsha disposition(3 deg

20 mins) you may.But you have to convert the rashi scale to navamsha

scale(so that the ''aspectual range rule'' from Sage is retained - i

cannot compromiseon this).And in the end it does not make any

difference!!!.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

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Namaste Pradeep,

 

Thank you for clarifying what you meant by the statement below:

 

> > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars apsecting> > >

Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep).

 

You still haven't answered my basic question. The exact "longitudinal aspect"

(the term you used before) depends on the longitudes of TWO points- aspecting

planet and aspected planet/point. Suppose Mars is at 29 deg in Aries and

Jupiter is at 2 deg in Gemini. Then Mars does not aspect Guru of rasi chart.

But "Gurunavamsha" (Jupiter's navamsa position) is in Libra. You seem to agree

that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra.

 

My question is simple. Though you agree that Gurunavamsha is in Libra, you are

arguing that it has no longitude associated with it (in Libra). Then how are

you able to evaluate the "longitudinal aspect" of Mars at 29 deg in Aries on

"Gurunavamsha" in Libra?

 

Just because an entity is in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries is not guaranteed to

aspect. It depends on the longitude. If an entity is at 29 deg in Libra, Mars at

29 deg in Aries has 100% aspect on that entity. If an entity is instead at 1 deg

in Libra, Mars has only (2/30)x100=6.67% aspect on that entity. In other words,

Mars at 29 deg in Aries has almost a zero aspect on an entity at 1 deg in

Libra.

 

When you only know that "Gurunavamsha" is in Libra and don't have a specific

longitude associated with it, how are you able to conclude that Mars at 29 deg

in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha"?

 

If you were to use Jupiter's original longitude (2 deg in Gemini), then there is

no aspect at all on him bny Mars at 29 deg in Aries. Then what longitude in

Libra are you using when concluding that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects

"Gurunavamsha" in Libra?

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear Narasimha ji> > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about

''' Mars apsecting> > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep).> > > > >

You are accepting that "kshetra Mars" aspects "navamsa Jupiter". I> hope I am

not misrepresenting.> Now, you are saying that "navamsa> Mars", though in the

same sign as "kshetra Mars", does not aspect> "navamsa Jupiter" in Libra, for

the simple reason that he does not> have a longitude. I hope I am not

misrepresenting ytou.(Narasimha)> > If you closely see my first sattement in

quotes - you will understand> that you are slightly misrepresenting me.> > It

is not ''Kshethra of Mars'' or ''Navamsha of Mars'' that is> aspecting.It is

Mars that is aspecting.From that longitudinal> disposition in zodiac,it can

cast aspect only over certain> sectors.This resultant sector is a rashi of 30

degree span.This Rashi> assumes numerous roles -a)It can be a Ksehthra for a

planet(Kshethra> of Mars) b)It can be the Rashi in which a planet has navamsha>

influence(Navamsha of Mras).c)It can be a Rashi in whcih a planet is> having

dashamsha influence(Dashamsha of Mras).Classical astrologers> say - ''Shukran

Amshichirikkunna Rashi'' This means the sign in which> Shukras amsha has

joined.Or sign having amsha influence of Shukra.> > Thus the Mars in your

example is able to cast aspect not because of> Kshethra or Navamsha

disposition.It is because of the Rashi chakra> dispositon based on 30 degree

rule.Now we have only 12 Rashis.We do> not have seperate 12 navamsha Rashi,12

saptamsha Rashi etc.Divisions> within a Rashi is again individually related to

one of the 12 Rashis> with varying influence.> > There is only one position and

hence one longitude for any lagna or> planet at a point in time.We can record

this using any scale that we> like.The scale chosen by Parashara was signs of

30 degree> sectors.Aspectual rules were also based on this and we both do>

agree.If you want to record them based on navamsha disposition(3 deg> 20 mins)

you may.But you have to convert the rashi scale to navamsha> scale(so that the

''aspectual range rule'' from Sage is retained - i> cannot compromiseon

this).And in the end it does not make any> difference!!!.> > Thanks> Pradeep

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Namaste Narasimha ji

 

I thought i was clear enough.

 

What is Mars - Mars is a planet in zodiac.It has a longitude associated.

What is Guru- Guru is a planet in Zodiac.It has a longitude associated.

 

What is Kshethra of Guru - It is a sign of 30 degree sector.Guru is

recorded astronomically as being placed in this 30 degree sector.

 

What is Guru Navamsha - Guru Navamsha is the sign which is having

navamsha influence of Guru.It is again a 30 dgeree sector(Guru is not

placed there to have a degree - A planet has one position but

different influences).

When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which Mars

is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we say

Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which Mars is

placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of Guru.I

dont understand what is your doubt.

 

Hope we soon reach a conclusion.

 

Thanks

Prade

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> Thank you for clarifying what you meant by the statement below:

>

> > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars

apsecting

> > > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep).

>

> You still haven't answered my basic question. The exact

"longitudinal aspect" (the term you used before) depends on the

longitudes of TWO points- aspecting planet and aspected planet/point.

Suppose Mars is at 29 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 2 deg in Gemini.

Then Mars does not aspect Guru of rasi chart. But "Gurunavamsha"

(Jupiter's navamsa position) is in Libra. You seem to agree that Mars

at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra.

>

> My question is simple. Though you agree that Gurunavamsha is in

Libra, you are arguing that it has no longitude associated with it (in

Libra). Then how are you able to evaluate the "longitudinal aspect" of

Mars at 29 deg in Aries on "Gurunavamsha" in Libra?

>

> Just because an entity is in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries is not

guaranteed to aspect. It depends on the longitude. If an entity is at

29 deg in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries has 100% aspect on that

entity. If an entity is instead at 1 deg in Libra, Mars has only

(2/30)x100=6.67% aspect on that entity. In other words, Mars at 29 deg

in Aries has almost a zero aspect on an entity at 1 deg in Libra.

>

> When you only know that "Gurunavamsha" is in Libra and don't have a

specific longitude associated with it, how are you able to conclude

that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha"?

>

> If you were to use Jupiter's original longitude (2 deg in Gemini),

then there is no aspect at all on him bny Mars at 29 deg in Aries.

Then what longitude in Libra are you using when concluding that Mars

at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra?

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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>

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars

apsecting

> > > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep).

> > >

> >

> > > You are accepting that "kshetra Mars" aspects "navamsa Jupiter". I

> > hope I am not misrepresenting.> Now, you are saying that "navamsa

> > Mars", though in the same sign as "kshetra Mars", does not aspect

> > "navamsa Jupiter" in Libra, for the simple reason that he does not

> > have a longitude. I hope I am not misrepresenting ytou.(Narasimha)

> >

> > If you closely see my first sattement in quotes - you will understand

> > that you are slightly misrepresenting me.

> >

> > It is not ''Kshethra of Mars'' or ''Navamsha of Mars'' that is

> > aspecting.It is Mars that is aspecting.From that longitudinal

> > disposition in zodiac,it can cast aspect only over certain

> > sectors.This resultant sector is a rashi of 30 degree span.This Rashi

> > assumes numerous roles -a)It can be a Ksehthra for a planet(Kshethra

> > of Mars) b)It can be the Rashi in which a planet has navamsha

> > influence(Navamsha of Mras).c)It can be a Rashi in whcih a planet is

> > having dashamsha influence(Dashamsha of Mras).Classical astrologers

> > say - ''Shukran Amshichirikkunna Rashi'' This means the sign in which

> > Shukras amsha has joined.Or sign having amsha influence of Shukra.

> >

> > Thus the Mars in your example is able to cast aspect not because of

> > Kshethra or Navamsha disposition.It is because of the Rashi chakra

> > dispositon based on 30 degree rule.Now we have only 12 Rashis.We do

> > not have seperate 12 navamsha Rashi,12 saptamsha Rashi etc.Divisions

> > within a Rashi is again individually related to one of the 12 Rashis

> > with varying influence.

> >

> > There is only one position and hence one longitude for any lagna or

> > planet at a point in time.We can record this using any scale that we

> > like.The scale chosen by Parashara was signs of 30 degree

> > sectors.Aspectual rules were also based on this and we both do

> > agree.If you want to record them based on navamsha disposition(3 deg

> > 20 mins) you may.But you have to convert the rashi scale to navamsha

> > scale(so that the ''aspectual range rule'' from Sage is retained - i

> > cannot compromiseon this).And in the end it does not make any

> > difference!!!.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

>

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Namaste Pradeep,

 

> When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which Mars> is

placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we say> Mars aspects

Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which Mars is> placed it can aspect

the sign which has navamsha infleunce of Guru.I> dont understand what is your

doubt.

 

My "doubt" is this:

 

You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you are toning it down

to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going back to the precise

"longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet need not aspect an entire

sign.

 

If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform aspect on the entire

sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in Libra varies from 3% (i.e.

negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an entity in Libra is aspected by Mars

or not depends on the exact longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the

beginning of Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full (100%)

if it is at 29 deg.

 

How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru navamsa", given

that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude associated with "Guru navamsa"

in Libra?

 

Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign placement is

sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see why "Mars navamsa" in Aries cannot

aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

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> Namaste Narasimha ji> > I thought i was clear enough.> > What is Mars - Mars

is a planet in zodiac.It has a longitude associated.> What is Guru- Guru is a

planet in Zodiac.It has a longitude associated.> > What is Kshethra of Guru -

It is a sign of 30 degree sector.Guru is> recorded astronomically as being

placed in this 30 degree sector.> > What is Guru Navamsha - Guru Navamsha is

the sign which is having> navamsha influence of Guru.It is again a 30 dgeree

sector(Guru is not> placed there to have a degree - A planet has one position

but> different influences).> When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the

sign in which Mars> is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is

placed.When we say> Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in

which Mars is> placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of

Guru.I> dont understand what is your doubt.> > Hope we soon reach a

conclusion.> > Thanks> Prade> > , "Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> wrote:> >> > Namaste Pradeep,> > > > Thank you for

clarifying what you meant by the statement below:> > > > > > > ''I am totally

with you - If you are talking about ''' Mars> apsecting> > > > > Gurunavamsha

or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep).> > > > You still haven't answered my basic

question. The exact> "longitudinal aspect" (the term you used before) depends

on the> longitudes of TWO points- aspecting planet and aspected planet/point.>

Suppose Mars is at 29 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 2 deg in Gemini.> Then

Mars does not aspect Guru of rasi chart. But "Gurunavamsha"> (Jupiter's navamsa

position) is in Libra. You seem to agree that Mars> at 29 deg in Aries aspects

"Gurunavamsha" in Libra.> > > > My question is simple. Though you agree that

Gurunavamsha is in> Libra, you are arguing that it has no longitude associated

with it (in> Libra). Then how are you able to evaluate the "longitudinal

aspect" of> Mars at 29 deg in Aries on "Gurunavamsha" in Libra?> > > > Just

because an entity is in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries is not> guaranteed to

aspect. It depends on the longitude. If an entity is at> 29 deg in Libra, Mars

at 29 deg in Aries has 100% aspect on that> entity. If an entity is instead at

1 deg in Libra, Mars has only> (2/30)x100=6.67% aspect on that entity. In other

words, Mars at 29 deg> in Aries has almost a zero aspect on an entity at 1 deg

in Libra.> > > > When you only know that "Gurunavamsha" is in Libra and don't

have a> specific longitude associated with it, how are you able to conclude>

that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha"?> > > > If you were to use

Jupiter's original longitude (2 deg in Gemini),> then there is no aspect at all

on him bny Mars at 29 deg in Aries.> Then what longitude in Libra are you using

when concluding that Mars> at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra?>

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> >

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Dear Narasimha ji

 

1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we have to tell

this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or

Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc.

 

You are again and again and again bringing ''mars navamsha in

aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes aspects are

there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles

of ''navamsha of mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects can

NEVER EVER happen unless MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect Libra

SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru

and Guru is not placed there and no longitude associated(harmonic

1/9th infleunce).

 

2)For the easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have given

number of houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign of

placement, on which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of

longitudes.i have not changed my opinion at any point.

 

3)The above said sign based aspects can be quantitatively measured,

if one wants(new point that you have mentioned).Here we go by exact

longitude.It is nothing but the quantitative form of point 2.When

you understand point 2 ,you must understand point 3.(We do not need

longitude of Guru - we are just measuring the aspect mentioned in

point 2).

 

The debate is about ''can a planet aspect another planet based on

navamsha disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the planet

has such a longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra.

 

we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not i

see no point in wasting my time.

 

Pradeep

 

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<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which

Mars

> > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we

say

> > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which

Mars is

> > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of

Guru.I

> > dont understand what is your doubt.

>

> My "doubt" is this:

>

> You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you are

toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going back

to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet need

not aspect an entire sign.

>

> If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform aspect

on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in Libra

varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an

entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact

longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of

Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full (100%)

if it is at 29 deg.

>

> How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru

navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude

associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra?

>

> Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign

placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see why "Mars

navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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> > Namaste Narasimha ji

> >

> > I thought i was clear enough.

> >

> > What is Mars - Mars is a planet in zodiac.It has a longitude

associated.

> > What is Guru- Guru is a planet in Zodiac.It has a longitude

associated.

> >

> > What is Kshethra of Guru - It is a sign of 30 degree sector.Guru

is

> > recorded astronomically as being placed in this 30 degree sector.

> >

> > What is Guru Navamsha - Guru Navamsha is the sign which is

having

> > navamsha influence of Guru.It is again a 30 dgeree sector(Guru

is not

> > placed there to have a degree - A planet has one position but

> > different influences).

> > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in which

Mars

> > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is placed.When we

say

> > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which

Mars is

> > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce of

Guru.I

> > dont understand what is your doubt.

> >

> > Hope we soon reach a conclusion.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Prade

> >

> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Thank you for clarifying what you meant by the statement below:

> > >

> > > > > > ''I am totally with you - If you are talking about '''

Mars

> > apsecting

> > > > > > Gurunavamsha or Shadvargas of Guru''(Pradeep).

> > >

> > > You still haven't answered my basic question. The exact

> > "longitudinal aspect" (the term you used before) depends on the

> > longitudes of TWO points- aspecting planet and aspected

planet/point.

> > Suppose Mars is at 29 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 2 deg in

Gemini.

> > Then Mars does not aspect Guru of rasi chart. But "Gurunavamsha"

> > (Jupiter's navamsa position) is in Libra. You seem to agree that

Mars

> > at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra.

> > >

> > > My question is simple. Though you agree that Gurunavamsha is in

> > Libra, you are arguing that it has no longitude associated with

it (in

> > Libra). Then how are you able to evaluate the "longitudinal

aspect" of

> > Mars at 29 deg in Aries on "Gurunavamsha" in Libra?

> > >

> > > Just because an entity is in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries is

not

> > guaranteed to aspect. It depends on the longitude. If an entity

is at

> > 29 deg in Libra, Mars at 29 deg in Aries has 100% aspect on that

> > entity. If an entity is instead at 1 deg in Libra, Mars has only

> > (2/30)x100=6.67% aspect on that entity. In other words, Mars at

29 deg

> > in Aries has almost a zero aspect on an entity at 1 deg in Libra.

> > >

> > > When you only know that "Gurunavamsha" is in Libra and don't

have a

> > specific longitude associated with it, how are you able to

conclude

> > that Mars at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha"?

> > >

> > > If you were to use Jupiter's original longitude (2 deg in

Gemini),

> > then there is no aspect at all on him bny Mars at 29 deg in

Aries.

> > Then what longitude in Libra are you using when concluding that

Mars

> > at 29 deg in Aries aspects "Gurunavamsha" in Libra?

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

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Dear Pradeep,

 

> we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not i > see no

point in wasting my time.

 

Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one last time.

 

(1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only approximate.

Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects based on longitudes. If

Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on all points of Libra is not uniform.

 

As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 deg point in

Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg point in Libra is 100%

(i.e. full).

 

DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" question.

 

If YES, please proceed to point (2).

If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may elaborate your

reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to quantify, but it is not

necessary.

 

(2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and do not have a

specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you know whether Mars at 29

deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does not uniformly aspect the entire sign

of Libra as discussed above! How do you make a determination that Mars aspects

"Jupiter's navamsa" quantify it?

 

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> Dear Narasimha ji> > 1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we

have to tell > this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or >

Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc.> > You are again and again and again bringing ''mars

navamsha in > aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes aspects are

> there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles > of ''navamsha of

mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects can > NEVER EVER happen unless

MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect Libra > SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru>

and Guru is not placed there and no longitude associated(harmonic > 1/9th

infleunce).> > 2)For the easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have

given > number of houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign of >

placement, on which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of > longitudes.i have

not changed my opinion at any point.> > 3)The above said sign based aspects can

be quantitatively measured, > if one wants(new point that you have

mentioned).Here we go by exact > longitude.It is nothing but the quantitative

form of point 2.When > you understand point 2 ,you must understand point 3.(We

do not need > longitude of Guru - we are just measuring the aspect mentioned in

> point 2).> > The debate is about ''can a planet aspect another planet based on

> navamsha disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the planet > has such a

longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra.> > we count on your sincerity and

honesty in this discussion.if not i > see no point in wasting my time.> >

Pradeep> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" >

<pvr@c...> wrote:> >> > Namaste Pradeep,> > > > > When we say Mars aspects

Guru - It means from the sign in which > Mars> > > is placed it can aspect the

sign in which Guru is placed.When we > say> > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It

means from the sign in which > Mars is> > > placed it can aspect the sign which

has navamsha infleunce of > Guru.I> > > dont understand what is your doubt.> >

> > My "doubt" is this:> > > > You originally talked about "longitudinal

aspects". Now you are > toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement.

But, going back > to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a

planet need > not aspect an entire sign.> > > > If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries,

he does not have a uniform aspect > on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on

various points in Libra > varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full).

Whether an > entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact >

longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of > Libra, the

aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full (100%) > if it is at 29 deg.>

> > > How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru >

navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude > associated

with "Guru navamsa" in Libra?> > > > Secondly, if a longitude is not needed

for aspects and if sign > placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't

see why "Mars > navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra.> > >

> May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> >

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Dear Narasimha ji

 

In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on

Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is navamsha for

Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument

regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an

example,and am happy to discuss.

 

By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another

navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic

influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not

i

> > see no point in wasting my time.

>

> Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one

last time.

>

> (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only

approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects

based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on

all points of Libra is not uniform.

>

> As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0

deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg

point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).

>

> DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO"

question.

>

> If YES, please proceed to point (2).

>

> If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may

elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to

quantify, but it is not necessary.

>

> (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and do

not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you

know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does

not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above!

How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's

navamsa" quantify it?

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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>

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > 1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we have to

tell

> > this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or

> > Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc.

> >

> > You are again and again and again bringing ''mars navamsha in

> > aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes aspects are

> > there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles

> > of ''navamsha of mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects

can

> > NEVER EVER happen unless MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect

Libra

> > SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru

> > and Guru is not placed there and no longitude associated

(harmonic

> > 1/9th infleunce).

> >

> > 2)For the easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have

given

> > number of houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign

of

> > placement, on which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of

> > longitudes.i have not changed my opinion at any point.

> >

> > 3)The above said sign based aspects can be quantitatively

measured,

> > if one wants(new point that you have mentioned).Here we go by

exact

> > longitude.It is nothing but the quantitative form of point

2.When

> > you understand point 2 ,you must understand point 3.(We do not

need

> > longitude of Guru - we are just measuring the aspect mentioned

in

> > point 2).

> >

> > The debate is about ''can a planet aspect another planet based

on

> > navamsha disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the

planet

> > has such a longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra.

> >

> > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not

i

> > see no point in wasting my time.

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > >

> > > > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in

which

> > Mars

> > > > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is

placed.When we

> > say

> > > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which

> > Mars is

> > > > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce

of

> > Guru.I

> > > > dont understand what is your doubt.

> > >

> > > My "doubt" is this:

> > >

> > > You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you

are

> > toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going

back

> > to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet

need

> > not aspect an entire sign.

> > >

> > > If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform

aspect

> > on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in

Libra

> > varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an

> > entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact

> > longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of

> > Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full

(100%)

> > if it is at 29 deg.

> > >

> > > How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru

> > navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude

> > associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra?

> > >

> > > Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign

> > placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see

why "Mars

> > navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra.

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

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Dear Pradeep,

 

I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no question (question

1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably did not want to disagree with

Parasara and yet did not want to face the uncomfortable followup question by

agreeing with Parasara. I can only guess...

 

> How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?

 

There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects various

planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between

them. Mars aspects various houses with various strengths/intensities based on

the exact angle between him and the longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara

defined the quantification of aspect based on the exact angle between the

aspecting planet and the aspected point.

 

If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li and the

point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away from it and hence

the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using Parasara's formula)!!

 

Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire sign of Libra.

 

> Your argument> regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

> placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > example,and am

happy to discuss.

 

Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were wrong in

insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude associated with

it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa position in Li is at

2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is taken in tradition in the

calculation of further divisions in navamsa chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and

navamsa-dwadasamsa!

 

You said:

 

> > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > i > > >

see no point in wasting my time.

I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact that you are

reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a striaght yes or no makes

me wonder.

 

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> Dear Narasimha ji> > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala

of Mars on> Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is navamsha

for> Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument> regarding

Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > placement and hence a

longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > example,and am happy to discuss.> > By

bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> navamsha!!!!.

Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > influence that sector, is

having with another SIGN.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > --- In

, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > <pvr@c...> wrote:> >> >

Dear Pradeep,> > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this

discussion.if not > i > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > Thank you

for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one > last time.> > > > (1)

Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > approximate.

Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > based on longitudes.

If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > all points of Libra is not

uniform.> > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on

0 > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg > point

in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this

is a "YES" or "NO" > question.> > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> >

> > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > elaborate

your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to > quantify, but it is

not necessary.> > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in

Libra and do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do

you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does > not

uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > How do you make

a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > May

Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> >

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Narasimha ji> > > > > > 1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we

have to > tell > > > this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or > > >

Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc.> > > > > > You are again and again and again bringing

''mars navamsha in > > > aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes

aspects are > > > there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles >

> > of ''navamsha of mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects > can > > >

NEVER EVER happen unless MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect > Libra > > >

SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru> > > and Guru is not placed there and no

longitude associated> (harmonic > > > 1/9th infleunce).> > > > > > 2)For the

easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have > given > > > number of

houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign > of > > > placement, on

which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of > > > longitudes.i have not changed

my opinion at any point.> > > > > > 3)The above said sign based aspects can be

quantitatively > measured, > > > if one wants(new point that you have

mentioned).Here we go by > exact > > > longitude.It is nothing but the

quantitative form of point > 2.When > > > you understand point 2 ,you must

understand point 3.(We do not > need > > > longitude of Guru - we are just

measuring the aspect mentioned > in > > > point 2).> > > > > > The debate is

about ''can a planet aspect another planet based > on > > > navamsha

disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the > planet > > > has such a

longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra.> > > > > > we count on your sincerity

and honesty in this discussion.if not > i > > > see no point in wasting my

time.> > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > ,

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste Pradeep,>

> > > > > > > > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in >

which > > > Mars> > > > > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is >

placed.When we > > > say> > > > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from

the sign in which > > > Mars is> > > > > placed it can aspect the sign which

has navamsha infleunce > of > > > Guru.I> > > > > dont understand what is your

doubt.> > > > > > > > My "doubt" is this:> > > > > > > > You originally

talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you > are > > > toning it down to an

aspect based on sign placement. But, going > back > > > to the precise

"longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet > need > > > not aspect an

entire sign.> > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a

uniform > aspect > > > on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various

points in > Libra > > > varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full).

Whether an > > > entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the

exact > > > longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of > >

> Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full > (100%) > > > if

it is at 29 deg.> > > > > > > > How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect

of Mars on "Guru > > > navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a

longitude > > > associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra?> > > > > > > >

Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign > > > placement

is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see > why "Mars > > > navamsa" in

Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra.> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's

light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > >

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Dear Shri Narasimha

 

I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand

what i have been talking.

If you want YES/No.Pls read.

 

> (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >

approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects >

based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on >

all points of Libra is not uniform.

> >

> > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >

deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >

point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please

note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).

 

This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the

meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning

that you have mentioned above).

This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where

maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or

kshethra.It remains the same.

 

> (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and

>do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do

>you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars

>does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed >above!

 

It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having

navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as

1)Son

2)Father

3)Husband

 

LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple

roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is

harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning

this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I

have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you

are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a

loop!!!!.

 

My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely

aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having

any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does

it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

 

Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is

kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is

second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.

 

> >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >

>>navamsa" quantify it))?

 

Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.

(I am expecting an answer on this )

 

My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely

aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having

any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does

it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

 

Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is

kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is

second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.

 

 

Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even

though if it gives you an edge.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no

question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably

did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face

the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can

only guess...

>

> > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?

>

> There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects

various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact

angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various

strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the

longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of

aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the

aspected point.

>

> If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li

and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away

from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using

Parasara's formula)!!

>

> Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire

sign of Libra.

>

> > Your argument

> > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

> > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an

> > example,and am happy to discuss.

>

> Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were

wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude

associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa

position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is

taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa

chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!

>

> You said:

>

> > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not

> > i

> > > > see no point in wasting my time.

>

> I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact

that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a

striaght yes or no makes me wonder.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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>

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on

> > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is navamsha for

> > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument

> > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

> > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an

> > example,and am happy to discuss.

> >

> > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another

> > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic

> > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not

> > i

> > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > >

> > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try one

> > last time.

> > >

> > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only

> > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects

> > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on

> > all points of Libra is not uniform.

> > >

> > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0

> > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg

> > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).

> > >

> > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO"

> > question.

> > >

> > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).

> > >

> > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may

> > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to

> > quantify, but it is not necessary.

> > >

> > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and do

> > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you

> > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars does

> > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above!

> > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's

> > navamsa" quantify it?

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

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> > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > >

> > > > 1)MARS a PLANET is ASPECTING a SIGN(how many times we have to

> > tell

> > > > this).This sign can be the kshethra for a planet or

> > > > Navamsha/Sapatamsha etc.

> > > >

> > > > You are again and again and again bringing ''mars navamsha in

> > > > aries '' aspecting ''gurunavamsha in libra'' etc.Yes aspects are

> > > > there from Aries to Libra,which are in turn assuming roles

> > > > of ''navamsha of mars and navamsha of Guru''.These full aspects

> > can

> > > > NEVER EVER happen unless MARS in ARIES is not able to aspect

> > Libra

> > > > SIGN.Libra is the navamsha of Guru

> > > > and Guru is not placed there and no longitude associated

> > (harmonic

> > > > 1/9th infleunce).

> > > >

> > > > 2)For the easiness in understanding aspects - Mahamunis have

> > given

> > > > number of houses/signs ( multiples of 30 degrees) from its sign

> > of

> > > > placement, on which a planet can cast aspect.Grouping of

> > > > longitudes.i have not changed my opinion at any point.

> > > >

> > > > 3)The above said sign based aspects can be quantitatively

> > measured,

> > > > if one wants(new point that you have mentioned).Here we go by

> > exact

> > > > longitude.It is nothing but the quantitative form of point

> > 2.When

> > > > you understand point 2 ,you must understand point 3.(We do not

> > need

> > > > longitude of Guru - we are just measuring the aspect mentioned

> > in

> > > > point 2).

> > > >

> > > > The debate is about ''can a planet aspect another planet based

> > on

> > > > navamsha disposition alone''.It is not possible unless the

> > planet

> > > > has such a longitudinal disposition in Rashi Chakra.

> > > >

> > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not

> > i

> > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > > When we say Mars aspects Guru - It means from the sign in

> > which

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > is placed it can aspect the sign in which Guru is

> > placed.When we

> > > > say

> > > > > > Mars aspects Guru Navamsha - It means from the sign in which

> > > > Mars is

> > > > > > placed it can aspect the sign which has navamsha infleunce

> > of

> > > > Guru.I

> > > > > > dont understand what is your doubt.

> > > > >

> > > > > My "doubt" is this:

> > > > >

> > > > > You originally talked about "longitudinal aspects". Now you

> > are

> > > > toning it down to an aspect based on sign placement. But, going

> > back

> > > > to the precise "longitudinal aspects", we can see that a planet

> > need

> > > > not aspect an entire sign.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg in Aries, he does not have a uniform

> > aspect

> > > > on the entire sign of Libra. His aspect on various points in

> > Libra

> > > > varies from 3% (i.e. negligible) to 100% (i.e. full). Whether an

> > > > entity in Libra is aspected by Mars or not depends on the exact

> > > > longitude of that entity. If that entity is at the beginning of

> > > > Libra, the aspect is negligible (3%) and the aspect is full

> > (100%)

> > > > if it is at 29 deg.

> > > > >

> > > > > How are you deciding the longitudinal aspect of Mars on "Guru

> > > > navamsa", given that you are rejecting the notion of a longitude

> > > > associated with "Guru navamsa" in Libra?

> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly, if a longitude is not needed for aspects and if sign

> > > > placement is sufficient to evaluate aspects, I don't see

> > why "Mars

> > > > navamsa" in Aries cannot aspect "Guru navamsa" in Libra.

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > -

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Dear Pradeep,

 

> It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having>

navamsha infleunce of Guru.

 

What????? What is this distinction???

 

If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per normal

understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not that Jupiters

Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having navamsha infleunce of

Guru."

 

Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a favor -

kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an explicit "yes" or

"no":

 

(1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN" Cancer. Is it correct?

 

(2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in navamsa. Is it correct?

 

If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further to talk

about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do regarding neecha

bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is "exalted" in a particular

division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is used in several matters.

 

If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth you mean by

the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between Cancer and Libra to

change your stand?

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:>> Dear Shri Narasimha> > I honestly thought a

person of your knowledge could easily understand> what i have been talking.> If

you want YES/No.Pls read.> > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on

signs, that is only >> approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification

of an aspects >> based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his

aspect on >> all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > As per Parasara's

specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> deg point in Libra is 3.33%

(i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).>

> > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> note that this is a "YES" or "NO" >

question)).> > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra''

the> meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning>

that you have mentioned above). > This means if there is no planet you can only

find the degree where> maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha

or> kshethra.It remains the same.> > > (2) ((When you only know that

"Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and> >do > not have a specific point in Libra

associated with it, how do> >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects

it? After all, Mars> >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as

discussed >above!> > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the

SIGN having> navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as >

1)Son> 2)Father> 3)Husband> > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by

parashara, assumes multiple> roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes''

within any sign is> harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been

mentioning> this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading

this.I> have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you>

are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a> loop!!!!.> >

My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> aspecting

Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> any longitude to

measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> it make when the same

sign acts as Navamsha?> > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero

difference.Only difference is> kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic

while opposition is> second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate

these two.> > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's

>> >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when

Libra is empty.> (I am expecting an answer on this )> > My question is what is

the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> aspecting Libra?When you do not

have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> any longitude to measure Drigbala in

Rashi Chakra.What difference does> it make when the same sign acts as

Navamsha?> > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference

is> kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> second

harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > Please read

my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even> though if it gives

you an edge.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > > ,

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > I am

disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no> question (question 1

below) with a straight yes or no. You probably> did not want to disagree with

Parasara and yet did not want to face> the uncomfortable followup question by

agreeing with Parasara. I can> only guess...> > > > > How do you calculate

Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars

on Libra". Mars aspects> various planets with various strengths/intensities

based on the exact> angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with

various> strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the>

longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of> aspect

based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the> aspected point.>

> > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li> and

the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away> from it and

hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using> Parasara's formula)!!> >

> > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire> sign of

Libra.> > > > > Your argument> > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture

only upon a planetary > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me

such an > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > Well, you should

seriously consider the possibility that you were> wrong in insisting that

"Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude> associated with it. If Jupiter

is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa> position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I

wrote earlier. That is how it is> taken in tradition in the calculation of

further divisions in navamsa> chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and

navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > You said:> > > > > > > we count on your sincerity

and honesty in this discussion.if not > > > i > > > > > see no point in wasting

my time.> > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very

fact> that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a>

striaght yes or no makes me wonder.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, >

> Narasimha> >

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-------------------------------> > > > > Dear

Narasimha ji> > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate

Drigbala of Mars on> > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra

is navamsha for> > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your

argument> > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary >

> > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > example,and

am happy to discuss.> > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one

navamsha to another> > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the

harmonic > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.> > > > > >

Thanks> > > Pradeep> > > > > > , "Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao" > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > >

> we count on your sincerity and honesty in this discussion.if not > > > i > > >

> > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind

consideration given to me. Let me try one > > > last time.> > > > > > > > (1)

Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > approximate.

Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects > > > based on

longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on > > > all points of

Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance,

aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible).

His aspect on 29 deg > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > > > > >

DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > question.>

> > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > > If NO, we

have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > elaborate your

reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on how to > > > quantify, but it is

not necessary.> > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa"

is in Libra and do > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it,

how do you > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars

does > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! >

> > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > navamsa"

quantify it?> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha>

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Dear Narasimha ji

 

This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as

well.The answer for both your questions is YES.

 

 

(1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"

Cancer. Is it correct?

 

Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''

 

(2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in

navamsa. Is it correct?

 

very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''

 

Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents

sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.

 

Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were

talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words

transformed space.

 

Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra

is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very

clear and you may read our mails again.

 

Now

 

1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?.

 

2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs

at a point in time?

 

If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and

you are welcome and i am not interested.

 

My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic

influences.Please read my 11 points.

 

Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the

Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha

can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but

balconies with a view etc.

 

Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a

sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted

through harmonic sambandha of another kind.

 

A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it

is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which

need not be always first harmonic or conjunction.

 

 

I still beleive you will take the right step!!!

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having

> > navamsha infleunce of Guru.

>

> What????? What is this distinction???

>

> If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per

normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not

that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having

navamsha infleunce of Guru."

>

> Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a

favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an

explicit "yes" or "no":

>

> (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"

Cancer. Is it correct?

>

> (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in

navamsa. Is it correct?

>

> If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further

to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do

regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is

"exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is

used in several matters.

>

> If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth

you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between

Cancer and Libra to change your stand?

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

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> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Narasimha

> >

> > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand

> > what i have been talking.

> > If you want YES/No.Pls read.

> >

> > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >

> > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects >

> > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on >

> > all points of Libra is not uniform.

> > > >

> > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >

> > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >

> > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please

> > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).

> >

> > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the

> > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning

> > that you have mentioned above).

> > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where

> > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or

> > kshethra.It remains the same.

> >

> > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and

> > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do

> > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars

> > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed

>above!

> >

> > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having

> > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as

> > 1)Son

> > 2)Father

> > 3)Husband

> >

> > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple

> > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is

> > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning

> > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I

> > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you

> > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a

> > loop!!!!.

> >

> > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely

> > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having

> > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does

> > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

> >

> > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is

> > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is

> > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.

> >

> > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >

> > >>navamsa" quantify it))?

> >

> > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.

> > (I am expecting an answer on this )

> >

> > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely

> > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having

> > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does

> > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

> >

> > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is

> > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is

> > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.

> >

> >

> > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even

> > though if it gives you an edge.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no

> > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably

> > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face

> > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can

> > only guess...

> > >

> > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?

> > >

> > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects

> > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact

> > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various

> > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the

> > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of

> > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the

> > aspected point.

> > >

> > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li

> > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away

> > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using

> > Parasara's formula)!!

> > >

> > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire

> > sign of Libra.

> > >

> > > > Your argument

> > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

> > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an

> > > > example,and am happy to discuss.

> > >

> > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were

> > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude

> > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa

> > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is

> > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa

> > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this

discussion.if not

> > > > i

> > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > >

> > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact

> > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a

> > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

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> > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > >

> > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of

Mars on

> > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is

navamsha for

> > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument

> > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

> > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an

> > > > example,and am happy to discuss.

> > > >

> > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another

> > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic

> > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this

discussion.if not

> > > > i

> > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try

one

> > > > last time.

> > > > >

> > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only

> > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an

aspects

> > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his

aspect on

> > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0

> > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on

29 deg

> > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).

> > > > >

> > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO"

> > > > question.

> > > > >

> > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).

> > > > >

> > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may

> > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on

how to

> > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.

> > > > >

> > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra

and do

> > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you

> > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars

does

> > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above!

> > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's

> > > > navamsa" quantify it?

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

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Dear Pradeep,

 

Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed:

 

> > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> >

> navamsha infleunce of Guru.

Now you wrote:

 

> Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> is the

SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.

 

It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and hence

Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction!

 

The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's navamsa

is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different statements

(with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that what you are

saying by any chance?

 

If these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other), then

I think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other.

 

Kindly make your stand clear!

 

Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart

from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in

which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or

not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is not that

Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra".

 

Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected by

planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's

navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can

facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement

disappears, we are back to square one.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear Narasimha ji> > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained

this as> well.The answer for both your questions is YES.> > > (1) If Jupiter

is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> Cancer. Is it correct?>

> Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''> > (2)

If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> navamsa. Is it

correct?> > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES

SIGN'' > > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn

represents> sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.> > Now if you read

our mails again you will understand that we were> talking about how this jupiter

was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words> transformed space.> > Thus Jupiter is

''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> is the SIGN having a

navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very> clear and you may read our

mails again.> > Now > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a

point in time?.> > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two

Zodiac signs> at a point in time?> > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need

to frame new theories and> you are welcome and i am not interested.> > My

answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic> influences.Please

read my 11 points.> > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited

state) in the> Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This

Samandha> can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but>

balconies with a view etc.> > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic

influence with a> sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or

exalted> through harmonic sambandha of another kind.> > A planet will have

samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it> is not placed

there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which> need not be always

first harmonic or conjunction.> > > I still beleive you will take the right

step!!!> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > > > > > > ,

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > It is

not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > navamsha

infleunce of Guru.> > > > What????? What is this distinction???> > > > If

Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per> normal

understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not> that Jupiters

Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having> navamsha infleunce of

Guru."> > > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do

me a> favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an>

explicit "yes" or "no":> > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries

physically, his navamsa is "IN"> Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > (2) If Jupiter

is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> navamsa. Is it correct?>

> > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further> to

talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do> regarding neecha

bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is> "exalted" in a particular

division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is> used in several matters.> > > > If

your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth> you mean by

the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between> Cancer and Libra to

change your stand?> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> >

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, "vijayadas_pradeep"> <vijayadas_pradeep>

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shri Narasimha> > > > > > I honestly thought a person of

your knowledge could easily understand> > > what i have been talking.> > > If

you want YES/No.Pls read.> > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based

on signs, that is only >> > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact

quantification of an aspects >> > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg

in Ar, then his aspect on >> > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > >

> > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> > >

deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> > >

point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> > >

note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).> > > > > > This is YES and a

known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the> > > meaning of which you

should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning> > > that you have mentioned

above). > > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree

where> > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or> > >

kshethra.It remains the same.> > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that

"Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and> > > >do > not have a specific point in

Libra associated with it, how do> > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar

aspects it? After all, Mars> > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign

of Libra as discussed> >above!> > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN''

Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri

Narasimha is having roles as > > > 1)Son> > > 2)Father> > > 3)Husband> > > > >

> LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple> > >

roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is> > >

harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning> > > this

atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I> > > have also

told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you> > > are moving

from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a> > > loop!!!!.> > > > >

> My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > >

aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > any

longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > it make

when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it

makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is

ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) -

Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > >How do you make a determination

that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >> > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > > > > > Please

QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.> > > (I am expecting an

answer on this )> > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars

is not entirely> > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA -

are we having> > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What

difference does> > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > >

Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > kind

of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > second

harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > > > > >

Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even> > >

though if it gives you an edge.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > >

> > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>> >

> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you

did not answer a simple yes or no> > > question (question 1 below) with a

straight yes or no. You probably> > > did not want to disagree with Parasara

and yet did not want to face> > > the uncomfortable followup question by

agreeing with Parasara. I can> > > only guess...> > > > > > > > > How do you

calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > > > > > There is no such thing as

"Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects> > > various planets with various

strengths/intensities based on the exact> > > angle between them. Mars aspects

various houses with various> > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle

between him and the> > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the

quantification of> > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting

planet and the> > > aspected point.> > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar,

his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li> > > and the point 0 deg Li is

almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away> > > from it and hence the aspect on

it is negligible (it is 3% using> > > Parasara's formula)!!> > > > > > > >

Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire> > > sign of

Libra.> > > > > > > > > Your argument> > > > > regarding Drigbala can come

into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > placement and hence a longitude,

in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > >

> > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were> > > wrong

in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude> > > associated

with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa> > > position in Li

is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is> > > taken in tradition

in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa> > > chart, such as

navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > > > > > You said:> > > > > > >

> > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> discussion.if not > > >

> > i > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > I have

tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact> > > that you are

reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a> > > striaght yes or no

makes me wonder.> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > >

Narasimha> > > >

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> > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you

calculate Drigbala of> Mars on> > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti

kendra.Now same Libra is> navamsha for> > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only

find drishti kendra.Your argument> > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into

picture only upon a planetary > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in

Libra.Give me such an > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > >

> > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> > > > >

navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > >

influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks>

> > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > ,

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear

Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in

this> discussion.if not > > > > > i > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my

time.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me.

Let me try> one > > > > > last time.> > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people

define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > approximate. Parasara

defined the exact quantification of an> aspects > > > > > based on longitudes.

If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his> aspect on > > > > > all points of Libra

is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance,

aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e.

negligible). His aspect on> 29 deg > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e.

full).> > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a

"YES" or "NO" > > > > > question.> > > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please

proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to

discuss! If you want, you may > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring

Parasara's guideline on> how to > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.> >

> > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in

Libra> and do > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it,

how do you > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all,

Mars> does > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed

above! > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >

> > > > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine

on us, > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > >

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Dear Narasimha ji

 

GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed.

Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA sector is pointing

towards the harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree sector is having with

SIGN Libra.

 

Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini Rashi and Not in LIBRA

Rashi.

LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA rashi as it is one among the

numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign is having on other signs.

 

Hope this is clear

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed:

>

> > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having

> > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.

>

> Now you wrote:

>

> > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra

> > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.

>

> It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and

hence Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction!

>

> The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's

navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different

statements (with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that

what you are saying by any chance?

>

> If these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other),

then I think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other.

>

> Kindly make your stand clear!

>

> Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart

from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in

which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or

not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is not that

Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra".

>

> Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected by

planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's

navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can

facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement

disappears, we are back to square one.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

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> -------------------------------

>

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as

> > well.The answer for both your questions is YES.

> >

> >

> > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"

> > Cancer. Is it correct?

> >

> > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''

> >

> > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in

> > navamsa. Is it correct?

> >

> > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''

> >

> > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents

> > sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.

> >

> > Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were

> > talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words

> > transformed space.

> >

> > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra

> > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very

> > clear and you may read our mails again.

> >

> > Now

> >

> > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?.

> >

> > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs

> > at a point in time?

> >

> > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and

> > you are welcome and i am not interested.

> >

> > My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic

> > influences.Please read my 11 points.

> >

> > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the

> > Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha

> > can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but

> > balconies with a view etc.

> >

> > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a

> > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted

> > through harmonic sambandha of another kind.

> >

> > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it

> > is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which

> > need not be always first harmonic or conjunction.

> >

> >

> > I still beleive you will take the right step!!!

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having

> > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.

> > >

> > > What????? What is this distinction???

> > >

> > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per

> > normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not

> > that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having

> > navamsha infleunce of Guru."

> > >

> > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a

> > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an

> > explicit "yes" or "no":

> > >

> > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"

> > Cancer. Is it correct?

> > >

> > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in

> > navamsa. Is it correct?

> > >

> > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further

> > to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do

> > regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is

> > "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is

> > used in several matters.

> > >

> > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth

> > you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between

> > Cancer and Libra to change your stand?

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

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> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > >

> > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand

> > > > what i have been talking.

> > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read.

> > > >

> > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >

> > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects >

> > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on >

> > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >

> > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >

> > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please

> > > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).

> > > >

> > > > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the

> > > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning

> > > > that you have mentioned above).

> > > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where

> > > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or

> > > > kshethra.It remains the same.

> > > >

> > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and

> > > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do

> > > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars

> > > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed

> > >above!

> > > >

> > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having

> > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as

> > > > 1)Son

> > > > 2)Father

> > > > 3)Husband

> > > >

> > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple

> > > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is

> > > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning

> > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I

> > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you

> > > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a

> > > > loop!!!!.

> > > >

> > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely

> > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having

> > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does

> > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

> > > >

> > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is

> > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is

> > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.

> > > >

> > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >

> > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?

> > > >

> > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.

> > > > (I am expecting an answer on this )

> > > >

> > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely

> > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having

> > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does

> > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

> > > >

> > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is

> > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is

> > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even

> > > > though if it gives you an edge.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no

> > > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably

> > > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face

> > > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can

> > > > only guess...

> > > > >

> > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects

> > > > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact

> > > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various

> > > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the

> > > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of

> > > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the

> > > > aspected point.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li

> > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away

> > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using

> > > > Parasara's formula)!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire

> > > > sign of Libra.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Your argument

> > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

> > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an

> > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were

> > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no longitude

> > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa

> > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it is

> > > > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in navamsa

> > > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!

> > > > >

> > > > > You said:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this

> > discussion.if not

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact

> > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a

> > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > -------------------------------

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> > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of

> > Mars on

> > > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is

> > navamsha for

> > > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument

> > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

> > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an

> > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another

> > > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic

> > > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > pvr@c... wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this

> > discussion.if not

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try

> > one

> > > > > > last time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only

> > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an

> > aspects

> > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his

> > aspect on

> > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0

> > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on

> > 29 deg

> > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO"

> > > > > > question.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may

> > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on

> > how to

> > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra

> > and do

> > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you

> > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars

> > does

> > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above!

> > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's

> > > > > > navamsa" quantify it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > -------------------------------

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Dear Pradeep,

 

You did not answer my question. I asked:

 

> > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"

> > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?

 

You did not answer it. This is important for further discussion.

 

If that entity does not exist in your dictionary, I wonder how you interpret the

term "lagna's shadvargas" mentioned by Parasara in the raja yoga verse we

discussed. If that entity does exist in your dictionary, I asked if "Jupiter's

navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent

statements in your view.

 

If they are not, please elaborate what each means to you. If they are

equivalent, please tell me why my conclusion that you contradicted yourself in

two consecutive posts is wrong (see what I wrote below in the quoted post).

 

If you don't directly answer my straight-forward questions, I will have to

conclude that you are not genuinely interested in a dialog and will have to

ignore all the rhetoric you resort to in other mails.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

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> Dear Narasimha ji> > GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed.> Gemini

has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA sector is pointing towards the

harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree sector is having with SIGN

Libra.> > Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini Rashi and Not

in LIBRA Rashi.> LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA rashi as it

is one among the numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign is having on

other signs.> > Hope this is clear> Pradeep> --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> >> >

Dear Pradeep,> > > > Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed:>

> > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN

having> > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > > > Now you wrote:> > > > >

Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > is

the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.> > > > It sounds to me like you

are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and hence Y" in another mail.

That's a contradiction!> > > > The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is

to think that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa"

are totally different statements (with the former being wrong and the latter

being correct). Is that what you are saying by any chance?> > > > If these two

statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other), then I think that

the two quotes from you above contradict each other.> > > > Kindly make your

stand clear!> > > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called

"Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?

If so, what is the sign in which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in

the above example? Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why

you said "It is not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra".> > > > Earlier,

you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected by planets of

rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and

took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can facilitate

some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement disappears, we

are back to square one.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha>

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-------------------------------> > > > > Dear

Narasimha ji> > > > > > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained

this as> > > well.The answer for both your questions is YES.> > > > > > > > >

(1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > >

Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer

but within ''ARIES SIGN''> > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries

physically, he is "exalted" in> > > navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > very

Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > > >

Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents> > >

sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.> > > > > > Now if you read our

mails again you will understand that we were> > > talking about how this jupiter

was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words> > > transformed space.> > > > > > Thus

Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > is the

SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very> > > clear and you

may read our mails again.> > > > > > Now > > > > > > 1)Do you think a planet

has multiple positions at a point in time?.> > > > > > 2)Do you think a planet

can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs> > > at a point in time?> > > > >

> If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and> > > you

are welcome and i am not interested.> > > > > > My answer is a planet has one

position with different harmonic> > > influences.Please read my 11 points.> > >

> > > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the> >

> Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha> > > can

be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but> > > balconies

with a view etc.> > > > > > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic

influence with a> > > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or

exalted> > > through harmonic sambandha of another kind.> > > > > > A planet

will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it> > > is not placed

there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which> > > need not be always

first harmonic or conjunction.> > > > > > > > > I still beleive you will take

the right step!!!> > > > > > Thanks> > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

pvr@c...> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > It is not

Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > navamsha

infleunce of Guru.> > > > > > > > What????? What is this distinction???> > > >

> > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per> > >

normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not> > > that

Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having> > > navamsha

infleunce of Guru."> > > > > > > > Please don't expect me to read between your

lines and kindly do me a> > > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward

questions with an> > > explicit "yes" or "no":> > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter

is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > > Cancer. Is it

correct?> > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is

"exalted" in> > > navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > If your answer to

either question is "no", we have nothing further> > > to talk about. Actually,

you may have a lot of explaining to do> > > regarding neecha bhanga,

vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is> > > "exalted" in a particular division

(such as navamsa or dasamsa) is> > > used in several matters.> > > > > > > > If

your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth> > > you mean

by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between> > > Cancer and

Libra to change your stand?> > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, >

> > > Narasimha> > > >

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> , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > >

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha> > > > > >

> > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily understand>

> > > > what i have been talking.> > > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read.> > > >

> > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only

>> > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects

>> > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on

>> > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As

per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> > > > > deg

point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> > > > >

point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> > > > >

note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).> > > > > > > > > > This is YES

and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the> > > > > meaning of

which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning> > > > > that you

have mentioned above). > > > > > This means if there is no planet you can only

find the degree where> > > > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of

navamsha or> > > > > kshethra.It remains the same.> > > > > > > > > > > (2)

((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and> > > > > >do >

not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do> > > > > >you >

know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > >does >

not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed> > > >above!> > > >

> > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN

having> > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles

as > > > > > 1)Son> > > > > 2)Father> > > > > 3)Husband> > > > > > > > > >

LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple> > > > >

roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is> > > > >

harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning> > > > >

this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I> > > > >

have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha you> > > > >

are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a> > > > >

loop!!!!.> > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars

is not entirely> > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA

- are we having> > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What

difference does> > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > >

> > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> >

> > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > >

> > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > >

> > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >> >

> > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > > > > > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars

aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.> > > > > (I am expecting an answer on

this )> > > > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is

not entirely> > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA -

are we having> > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What

difference does> > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > >

> > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference

is> > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition

is> > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these

two.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and

make assumptions - even> > > > > though if it gives you an edge.> > > > > > > >

> > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...> > > > > wrote:>

> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed

that you did not answer a simple yes or no> > > > > question (question 1 below)

with a straight yes or no. You probably> > > > > did not want to disagree with

Parasara and yet did not want to face> > > > > the uncomfortable followup

question by agreeing with Parasara. I can> > > > > only guess...> > > > > > >

> > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > > > > > > >

> > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects> > > > >

various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact> > > > >

angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various> > > > >

strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the> > > > >

longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of> > > > >

aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the> > > > >

aspected point.> > > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th

house aspect is on 29 deg Li> > > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30

degrees (almost one sign!) away> > > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is

negligible (it is 3% using> > > > > Parasara's formula)!!> > > > > > > > > > >

> Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire> > > > > sign

of Libra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your argument> > > > > > > regarding

Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > placement

and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > example,and am

happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider

the possibility that you were> > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's

navamsa" in Libra had no longitude> > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is

at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa> > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg

as I wrote earlier. That is how it is> > > > > taken in tradition in the

calculation of further divisions in navamsa> > > > > chart, such as

navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > > > > > > > > > You said:> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> > >

discussion.if not > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my

time.> > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently.

But the very fact> > > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no

question with a> > > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.> > > > > > > > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > >

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> > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is

empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of> > > Mars on> > > > > > > Libra?.We can

only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is> > > navamsha for> > > > > > > Guru

and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument> > > > > > >

regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > >

placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > >

example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By bringing in

degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> > > > > > > navamsha!!!!.

Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > > > > influence that

sector, is having with another SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > >

> > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity

and honesty in this> > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > >

see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for

the kind consideration given to me. Let me try> > > one > > > > > > > last

time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on

signs, that is only > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact

quantification of an> > > aspects > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is

at 29 deg in Ar, then his> > > aspect on > > > > > > > all points of Libra is

not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific

guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33%

(i.e. negligible). His aspect on> > > 29 deg > > > > > > > point in Libra is

100% (i.e. full).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please

note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > > > > question.> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > > > > >

elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on> > > how to > > > >

> > > quantify, but it is not necessary.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2)

When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra> > > and do > > > > > >

> not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > > >

> know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > does > > >

> > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > >

> > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > >

> > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light

shine on us, > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > >

-------------------------------> > > > > > > >

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Dear Narasimha ji

 

There is nothing like my dictionary.

 

Jupiter has a placement in Zodiac.A single placement.

 

> > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"

> > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?

 

Yes there is an entity(not jupiters in specific but navamsha of a graha in

general).It is one among the shadvargas of a graha(If you want i can give the

shloka)

 

Jupiters Navamsha is the specific 3.20 degrees sector falling within the 30

degree Rashi in which it is placed.

 

>>>I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa"

were equivalent statements in your view.

 

Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up isolated statements

and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style.

We can answer them only w.r to the Rashis in which the corresponding navamsha is

falling.

 

By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning was Jupiter has some

Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi.

 

By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was Jupiter is in some

Rashi and within that jupiter is placed in Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees).

 

 

 

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> You did not answer my question. I asked:

>

> > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"

> > > apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?

>

> You did not answer it. This is important for further discussion.

>

> If that entity does not exist in your dictionary, I wonder how you interpret

the term "lagna's shadvargas" mentioned by Parasara in the raja yoga verse we

discussed. If that entity does exist in your dictionary, I asked if "Jupiter's

navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent

statements in your view.

>

> If they are not, please elaborate what each means to you. If they are

equivalent, please tell me why my conclusion that you contradicted yourself in

two consecutive posts is wrong (see what I wrote below in the quoted post).

>

> If you don't directly answer my straight-forward questions, I will have to

conclude that you are not genuinely interested in a dialog and will have to

ignore all the rhetoric you resort to in other mails.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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> -------------------------------

>

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed.

> > Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA sector is pointing

towards the harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree sector is having with

SIGN Libra.

> >

> > Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini Rashi and Not in

LIBRA Rashi.

> > LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA rashi as it is one among

the numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign is having on other signs.

> >

> > Hope this is clear

> > Pradeep

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Just in the previous mail before this mail, you claimed:

> > >

> > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN

having

> > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.

> > >

> > > Now you wrote:

> > >

> > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra

> > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.

> > >

> > > It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and

hence Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction!

> > >

> > > The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's

navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different

statements (with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that

what you are saying by any chance?

> > >

> > > If these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each

other), then I think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other.

> > >

> > > Kindly make your stand clear!

> > >

> > > Also, in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"

apart from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the

sign in which this entity "Jupiter's navamsa" is placed in the above example?

Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still don't understand why you said "It is not

that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN" Libra".

> > >

> > > Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana etc being aspected

by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the entity "Jupiter's

navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example. Agreement on that can

facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if suddenly that agreement

disappears, we are back to square one.

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

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> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > >

> > > > This is again a very simple point.I should had explained this as

> > > > well.The answer for both your questions is YES.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"

> > > > Cancer. Is it correct?

> > > >

> > > > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''

> > > >

> > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in

> > > > navamsa. Is it correct?

> > > >

> > > > very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''

> > > >

> > > > Every sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents

> > > > sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.

> > > >

> > > > Now if you read our mails again you will understand that we were

> > > > talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words

> > > > transformed space.

> > > >

> > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra

> > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very

> > > > clear and you may read our mails again.

> > > >

> > > > Now

> > > >

> > > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?.

> > > >

> > > > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac signs

> > > > at a point in time?

> > > >

> > > > If any of your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and

> > > > you are welcome and i am not interested.

> > > >

> > > > My answer is a planet has one position with different harmonic

> > > > influences.Please read my 11 points.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the

> > > > Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha

> > > > can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but

> > > > balconies with a view etc.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly though having one kind of harmonic influence with a

> > > > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted

> > > > through harmonic sambandha of another kind.

> > > >

> > > > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even if it

> > > > is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces which

> > > > need not be always first harmonic or conjunction.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I still beleive you will take the right step!!!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN

having

> > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > What????? What is this distinction???

> > > > >

> > > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per

> > > > normal understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not

> > > > that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having

> > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru."

> > > > >

> > > > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and kindly do me a

> > > > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward questions with an

> > > > explicit "yes" or "no":

> > > > >

> > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"

> > > > Cancer. Is it correct?

> > > > >

> > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in

> > > > navamsa. Is it correct?

> > > > >

> > > > > If your answer to either question is "no", we have nothing further

> > > > to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of explaining to do

> > > > regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is

> > > > "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is

> > > > used in several matters.

> > > > >

> > > > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth

> > > > you mean by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between

> > > > Cancer and Libra to change your stand?

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could easily

understand

> > > > > > what i have been talking.

> > > > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >

> > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an aspects

>

> > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on

>

> > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0

>

> > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg

>

> > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT?

Please

> > > > > > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the

> > > > > > meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same

meaning

> > > > > > that you have mentioned above).

> > > > > > This means if there is no planet you can only find the degree where

> > > > > > maximum aspect is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or

> > > > > > kshethra.It remains the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and

> > > > > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do

> > > > > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars

> > > > > > >does > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed

> > > > >above!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN

having

> > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as

> > > > > > 1)Son

> > > > > > 2)Father

> > > > > > 3)Husband

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes

multiple

> > > > > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is

> > > > > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been

mentioning

> > > > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I

> > > > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha

you

> > > > > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are in a

> > > > > > loop!!!!.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely

> > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we

having

> > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference

does

> > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference

is

> > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is

> > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's >

> > > > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.

> > > > > > (I am expecting an answer on this )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely

> > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we

having

> > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference

does

> > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference

is

> > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is

> > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even

> > > > > > though if it gives you an edge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes or no

> > > > > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You probably

> > > > > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not want to face

> > > > > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can

> > > > > > only guess...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars

aspects

> > > > > > various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the

exact

> > > > > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various

> > > > > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the

> > > > > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification

of

> > > > > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the

> > > > > > aspected point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg

Li

> > > > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away

> > > > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using

> > > > > > Parasara's formula)!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire

> > > > > > sign of Libra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your argument

> > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

> > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an

> > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility that you were

> > > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra had no

longitude

> > > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar, perhaps his

navamsa

> > > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote earlier. That is how it

is

> > > > > > taken in tradition in the calculation of further divisions in

navamsa

> > > > > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this

> > > > discussion.if not

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the very fact

> > > > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no question with a

> > > > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > -------------------------------

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> > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of

> > > > Mars on

> > > > > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is

> > > > navamsha for

> > > > > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument

> > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary

> > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an

> > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to

another

> > > > > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic

> > > > > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this

> > > > discussion.if not

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me try

> > > > one

> > > > > > > > last time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only

> > > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his

> > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on

0

> > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on

> > > > 29 deg

> > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO"

> > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you

may

> > > > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on

> > > > how to

> > > > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra

> > > > and do

> > > > > > > > not have a specific point in Libra associated with it, how do

you

> > > > > > > > know whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars

> > > > does

> > > > > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed

above!

> > > > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's

> > > > > > > > navamsa" quantify it?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Pradeep,

 

> There is nothing like my dictionary.

Though you say so, the rest of your mail does convince me that you have your own

terminology and "intended meanings".

 

> By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was

> Jupiter is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed in

> Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees).

> > By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning was

> Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among

> the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi.

If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and in Li in navamsa. In such

a case, people normally say that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Li. As per YOUR

terminology as explained above, it seems to me that Jupiter's navamsa will be

in Ge in that case (because "Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one

among the nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you correctly?

 

Now, with this terminology, I wonder how you interpret the raja yoga verse we

discussed at the beginning of this thread. It talks about the same planet

occupying or aspecting "lagna's shadvargas", i.e. lagna's rasi, lagna's

navamsa, lagna's hora, lagna's drekkana, lagna's dwadasamsa and lagna's

trimsamsa.

 

If lagna is at 2 deg in Ge, according to the terminology you introduced above,

"lagna's navamsa" is in Ge (because "lagna has some Navamsha and that Navamsha

is one among the nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi), "lagna's dwadasamsa" is

in Ge (because, similar to what you said, "lagna has some Dwadasamsa and that

Dwadasamsa is one among the twelve dwadasamsas within" Gemini Rashi) and so on.

Thus, all the six "lagna's shadvargas" are in Ge rashi according to

interpretation you gave above. Thus, any planet occupying or aspecting Ge rashi

can give this raja yoga.

 

Is that what you are saying? The normal interpretation is different. If lagna is

at 2 deg in Ge, normally we take "lagna's rasi" as Ge, "lagna's navamsa" as Li,

"lagna's trimsamsa" as Ar etc. The normal interpretation requires the same

planet to occupy/aspect all these signs (in various divisions). With your

interpretation of "lagna's navamsa", all of "lagna's shadvargas" fall in the

same sign and this yoga is becoming a trivial yoga. Is that what you are

saying?

 

If you are not saying this, then are you withdrawing the interpretation you gave

above for the term "Jupiter's navamsha" and agreeing that "Jupiter's navamsa is

in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are equivalent statements? If you

do so, you will have to acknowledge that you contradicted yourself in the two

posts I quoted below.

 

> Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up isolated

> statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style.

Well, these are questions related to your termonology. If one is not able to

answer objective questions on terminology with clarity, there is no point in

discussing anything whatsoever!

 

One using terms vaguely can say something in one mail, contradict oneself in

another mail and then deny the contradiction by giving yet another vague

explanation and playing with words. Asking pointed questions and getting

clarity on the terminology can eliminate such things!

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

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> Dear Narasimha ji> > There is nothing like my dictionary.> > Jupiter has a

placement in Zodiac.A single placement.> > > > Also, in your dictionary, is

there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"> > > apart from the "sign having

navamsa influence of Jupiter"?> > Yes there is an entity(not jupiters in

specific but navamsha of a graha in general).It is one among the shadvargas of

a graha(If you want i can give the shloka)> > Jupiters Navamsha is the specific

3.20 degrees sector falling within the 30 degree Rashi in which it is placed. >

> >>>I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra

navamsa" were equivalent statements in your view.> > Jyotish questions cannot

be answered if you are picking up isolated statements and expect YES/NO as in

multiple choice style.> We can answer them only w.r to the Rashis in which the

corresponding navamsha is falling. > > By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the

intended meaning was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among

the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi.> > By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the

intended meaning was Jupiter is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed

in Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees).> > > > Thanks> Pradeep> --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> >> >

Dear Pradeep,> > > > You did not answer my question. I asked:> > > > > > Also,

in your dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"> > > > apart

from the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?> > > > You did not answer

it. This is important for further discussion.> > > > If that entity does not

exist in your dictionary, I wonder how you interpret the term "lagna's

shadvargas" mentioned by Parasara in the raja yoga verse we discussed. If that

entity does exist in your dictionary, I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in

Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your

view.> > > > If they are not, please elaborate what each means to you. If they

are equivalent, please tell me why my conclusion that you contradicted yourself

in two consecutive posts is wrong (see what I wrote below in the quoted post).>

> > > If you don't directly answer my straight-forward questions, I will have

to conclude that you are not genuinely interested in a dialog and will have to

ignore all the rhetoric you resort to in other mails.> > > > May Jupiter's

light shine on us, > > Narasimha> >

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Narasimha ji> > > > > > GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter is placed.> > >

Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA sector is pointing

towards the harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree sector is having with

SIGN Libra.> > > > > > Thus Jupiter is placed in LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini

Rashi and Not in LIBRA Rashi.> > > LIBRA Navamsha is having a relationship with

LIBRA rashi as it is one among the numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign

is having on other signs.> > > > > > Hope this is clear> > > Pradeep> > > ---

In vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... wrote:> > >

>> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > Just in the previous mail before this

mail, you claimed:> > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN''

Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > >

> > > > > Now you wrote:> > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA

navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > > > is the SIGN having a

navamsha influence of Guru.> > > > > > > > It sounds to me like you are saying

"not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and hence Y" in another mail. That's a

contradiction!> > > > > > > > The only way I can reconcile the two quotes is

to think that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa"

are totally different statements (with the former being wrong and the latter

being correct). Is that what you are saying by any chance?> > > > > > > > If

these two statements are identical to you (or if they imply each other), then I

think that the two quotes from you above contradict each other.> > > > > > > >

Kindly make your stand clear!> > > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is

there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa

influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in which this entity "Jupiter's

navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still

don't understand why you said "It is not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN"

Libra".> > > > > > > > Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna drekkana

etc being aspected by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you recognized the

entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the above example.

Agreement on that can facilitate some progress in the dialogue. But, if

suddenly that agreement disappears, we are back to square one.> > > > > > > >

May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > >

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> > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > This is again a very simple point.I

should had explained this as> > > > > well.The answer for both your questions

is YES.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries

physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > > > > Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > > >

> > Very Correct - It is in the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''> > >

> > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted"

in> > > > > navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > very Correct - It is in

the amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > > > > > > > Every sign

has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents> > > > > sambandha or

harmonic influences with that SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > Now if you read our mails

again you will understand that we were> > > > > talking about how this jupiter

was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words> > > > > transformed space.> > > > > >

> > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra>

> > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very> > >

> > clear and you may read our mails again.> > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > >

> > > > 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?.> >

> > > > > > > > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac

signs> > > > > at a point in time?> > > > > > > > > > If any of your answer is

''YES'' you need to frame new theories and> > > > > you are welcome and i am

not interested.> > > > > > > > > > My answer is a planet has one position with

different harmonic> > > > > influences.Please read my 11 points.> > > > > > > >

> > Shri Narasimha may feel exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the> > >

> > Company of a special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha> > > >

> can be over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but> > > > >

balconies with a view etc.> > > > > > > > > > Similarly though having one kind

of harmonic influence with a> > > > > sign(conjunction or first harmonic)it can

feel excited or exalted> > > > > through harmonic sambandha of another kind.> >

> > > > > > > > A planet will have samandha with the houses lorded by it - Even

if it> > > > > is not placed there.Similarly there are many harmonic infleunces

which> > > > > need not be always first harmonic or conjunction.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I still beleive you will take the right step!!!> > > > > > > > > >

Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > ,

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear

Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra

- Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru.> > > > > >

> > > > > > What????? What is this distinction???> > > > > > > > > > > > If

Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted in navamsa as per> > > > > normal

understanding), can I similarly say the following: "It is not> > > > > that

Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer - Cancer is the SIGN having> > > > >

navamsha infleunce of Guru."> > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't expect me to

read between your lines and kindly do me a> > > > > favor - kindly answer these

two striaght-forward questions with an> > > > > explicit "yes" or "no":> > > > >

> > > > > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is

"IN"> > > > > Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter is

at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> > > > > navamsa. Is it

correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > If your answer to either question is "no", we

have nothing further> > > > > to talk about. Actually, you may have a lot of

explaining to do> > > > > regarding neecha bhanga, vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether

a planet is> > > > > "exalted" in a particular division (such as navamsa or

dasamsa) is> > > > > used in several matters.> > > > > > > > > > > > If your

answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly wonder what on earth> > > > > you mean

by the above quoted sentence. What is the difference between> > > > > Cancer

and Libra to change your stand?> > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light

shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > >

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> > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > >

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly thought a person of your knowledge could

easily understand> > > > > > > what i have been talking.> > > > > > > If you

want YES/No.Pls read.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) ((Though people define

aspects based on signs, that is only >> > > > > > > approximate. Parasara

defined the exact quantification of an aspects >> > > > > > > based on

longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his aspect on >> > > > > > > all

points of Libra is not uniform.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per

Parasara's specific guidance, aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> > > > > > > deg

point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e. negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> > > > > > >

point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> > > > >

> > note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

This is YES and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the> > > > > >

> meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning> > > >

> > > that you have mentioned above). > > > > > > > This means if there is no

planet you can only find the degree where> > > > > > > maximum aspect is

felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or> > > > > > > kshethra.It remains the

same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) ((When you only know that "Jupiter's

navamsa" is in Libra and> > > > > > > >do > not have a specific point in Libra

associated with it, how do> > > > > > > >you > know whether Mars at 29 deg in

Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > > > >does > not uniformly aspect the

entire sign of Libra as discussed> > > > > >above!> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

It is not Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > >

> > navamsha infleunce of Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > > > > >

> > 1)Son> > > > > > > 2)Father> > > > > > > 3)Husband> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple> > > > >

> > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is> > > >

> > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been mentioning> >

> > > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently not reading this.I>

> > > > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring in degrees for navamsha

you> > > > > > > are moving from one navamsha to another navamsha and you are

in a> > > > > > > loop!!!!.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is

the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When

you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > > > > > any longitude to

measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > > > > > it make when

the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti

kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > > > > > kind of

aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > > > > >

second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's

>> > > > > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please

QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.> > > > > > > (I am

expecting an answer on this )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is what is

the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When

you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> > > > > > > any longitude to

measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > > > > > it make when

the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti

kendra it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > > > > > kind of

aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > > > > >

second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my mails before you conclude and make

assumptions - even> > > > > > > though if it gives you an edge.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

pvr@c...> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did not answer a simple yes

or no> > > > > > > question (question 1 below) with a straight yes or no. You

probably> > > > > > > did not want to disagree with Parasara and yet did not

want to face> > > > > > > the uncomfortable followup question by agreeing with

Parasara. I can> > > > > > > only guess...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

How do you calculate Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

There is no such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects> > > > > > >

various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact> > > > > >

> angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various> > > > > > >

strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the> > > > > > >

longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification of> > > > > >

> aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting planet and the> > > > >

> > aspected point.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar,

his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li> > > > > > > and the point 0 deg Li

is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away> > > > > > > from it and hence the

aspect on it is negligible (it is 3% using> > > > > > > Parasara's formula)!!> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not

aspect the entire> > > > > > > sign of Libra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Your argument> > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only

upon a planetary > > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in

Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility

that you were> > > > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in Libra

had no longitude> > > > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22 deg in Ar,

perhaps his navamsa> > > > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg as I wrote

earlier. That is how it is> > > > > > > taken in tradition in the calculation

of further divisions in navamsa> > > > > > > chart, such as navamsa-navamsa and

navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said:> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> > > > >

discussion.if not > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in

wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely,

honestly and patiently. But the very fact> > > > > > > that you are reluctant

to answer a simple yes or no question with a> > > > > > > striaght yes or no

makes me wonder.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on

us, > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this

case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala of> > > > > Mars on> > > > >

> > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti kendra.Now same Libra is> > > > >

navamsha for> > > > > > > > > Guru and is empty.We can only find drishti

kendra.Your argument> > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture

only upon a planetary > > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in

Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one

navamsha to another> > > > > > > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is

showing the harmonic > > > > > > > > > influence that sector, is having with

another SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > >

Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count

on your sincerity and honesty in this> > > > > discussion.if not > > > > > > >

> > i > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind consideration given to me. Let me

try> > > > > one > > > > > > > > > last time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > (1) Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > >

> > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an> > > > >

aspects > > > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then

his> > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance,

aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e.

negligible). His aspect on> > > > > 29 deg > > > > > > > > > point in Libra is

100% (i.e. full).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT?

Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > > > > > > question.> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If YES, please proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want,

you may > > > > > > > > > elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's

guideline on> > > > > how to > > > > > > > > > quantify, but it is not

necessary.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that

"Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra> > > > > and do > > > > > > > > > not have a

specific point in Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > > > > > > know

whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > does > > > >

> > > > > not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > >

> > > > > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > >

> > > > > > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May

Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Pradeep,

 

>>If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and in Li in navamsa.

>>In such a case, people normally say that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Li.> >

Agreed.Normally we can talk like that.But with you it is not possible.

> Because you have your own theories.

 

If "normally we can talk like that", then you should have "talked like that"

from the beginning, instead of giving a different interpretation of the term

"Jupiter's navamsa" with each other mail. One can read the thread quoted below

to see how you flip-flopped on what exactly that term meant.

 

After flip-flopping and finally agreeing with me, it is quite lame to blame ME

for YOUR inconsistency.

 

The thing you have finally "agreed" to above is what I have ALWAYS maintained.

So, where is the question of I having my own theories and I blocking you from

agreeing to the above?

 

Out of your own volition, you gave different interpretations of the term

"Jupiter's navamsa". Out of your own volition, now you "agreed". Don't blame

me.

 

>>As per YOUR terminology as explained above, it seems to me that

>>Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case (because

>>"Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the

>>nine navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you

>>correctly?> > You know for sure that you have not understood me corerctly.

 

In your own words, "By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning was

Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas

within Libra Rashi."

 

I used the same logic you gave above and just replaced Libra with Gemini. Then I

got the statement "By Jupiter's navamsha is in Gemini - the intended meaning was

Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas

within Gemini Rashi." That is indeed the case for Jupiter at 2 deg in Ge. Hence

it seems quite straight-forward that "Jupiter's navamsha" should be in Ge as per

the interpretation you gave.

 

When I applied the interpetation you gave in a straight-forward way, you come

back and say "You know for sure that you have not understood me corerctly." I

don't know of ANY OTHER way to understand what you wrote!

 

This is APPALLING. I have been very patient with you. Instead of big

philosophical points, I stuck to simple practical points and tried to get

closure on atleast some basic terminology so that debate can be taken to more

involved areas. If you cannot even clearly define your own terminology and

STICK WITH IT, you should stay away from debates.

 

After patiently arguing with you and giving you the benefit of doubt for a long

time, I am fully convinced that you keep changing your stand without

acknowledging that you were previously wrong. Someone who contradicts himself

conveniently and does not even acknowledge it is not fit for a debate.

 

This is the end of my debate with you. When and if you form a clear

understanding of what various terms mean and can maintain consistency in

terminology, I can consider debating with you again.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

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> Dear Narasimha ji> > >>If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge in rasi and

in Li in navamsa. In such a case, people normally say that >>"Jupiter's

navamsa" is in Li.> > Agreed.Normally we can talk like that.But with you it is

not possible.Because you have your own theories.You will then again try to find

another navamsha and some special degrees within Libra RASHI for jupiter!!!.Thus

i have to differentiate between Gemini Rashi,Libra Rashi and Libra

Navamsha.Thus i had to say ''in'' cannot be used as jupiter is not IN Libra

Rashi but in Gemini Rashi.Hope you remember the context -I can give you

reference in case of difficulties.> > >>As per YOUR terminology as explained

above, it seems to me that Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case

(because >>"Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine

navamshas within" Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you >>correctly?> > You know

for sure that you have not understood me corerctly.You have to say - Jupiter's

some navamsha(libra in this case) is in Gemini(Rashi).> This Libra navamsha

will be related to Libra Rashi through amshakarashi/Rashi relationship.If you

want i can give you shlokas - If seventh from lagna has amshaka of Shani and

drishti of Papa Grahas wife will have Yoni Roga and all etc to know how amsha

of planet is joining its Rashi through the above said relationship.This is not

my theory.> > > Regarding Rajayoga my understanding is as below.This was

explained many times.Shri Finn too had explained this once.Shri Inderjit ji had

analysed your chart using the amashaka/rashi relationship.> > Assume Lagna is at

2 deg in Ge.> > Then Lagna is in Gemini Rashi.Lagna Navamsha is Libra.Lagna

Trimshamsha is Aries.It means Lagna has attained

libra/aries,navamsha/trimshamshas respectively within Gemini Rashi.Now through

asmhakarashi/rashi relationship libra navamsha and aries trimshamshas are

related to Libra and Aries Rashis.(This kind of relationship is not my

theory).> > If one planet is conjoining or aspecting all these signs(acting as

shad vargas of Lagna) then full Rajayoga results.> 1)In certain cases all the

shadvargas can fall in a single sign.Then a planet is conjoining all.> 2)In

certain other cases a planet can aspect some signs and conjoin another.For

example assume Guru is placed in dhanu. Dhanu/Aries and Leo happen to be the

shadvargas of lagna.Then Guru is either aspecting or conjuncting all the

shadvargas of lagna.> > As we have a single Zodiac,12 Rashis and a single lagna

placement at a point in time - all these happen within the same Rashi Chakra.I

hope you will not bring in your imaginary zodiac kind of theories or degrees

again.> > > Thanks> Pradeep> > vedic astrology,

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > There is

nothing like my dictionary.> > > > Though you say so, the rest of your mail

does convince me that you have your own terminology and "intended meanings".> >

> > > By Jupiter is in Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was> > > Jupiter

is in some Rashi and within that jupiter is placed in> > > Libra navamsha(3.20

degrees).> > > > > > By Jupiter's navamsha is in Libra - the intended meaning

was> > > Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among> > > the nine

navamshas within Libra Rashi.> > > > If Jupiter is at 2 deg in Ge, he is in Ge

in rasi and in Li in navamsa. In such a case, people normally say that

"Jupiter's navamsa" is in Li. As per YOUR terminology as explained above, it

seems to me that Jupiter's navamsa will be in Ge in that case (because "Jupiter

has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine navamshas within"

Gemini Rashi). Did I understand you correctly?> > > > Now, with this

terminology, I wonder how you interpret the raja yoga verse we discussed at the

beginning of this thread. It talks about the same planet occupying or aspecting

"lagna's shadvargas", i.e. lagna's rasi, lagna's navamsa, lagna's hora, lagna's

drekkana, lagna's dwadasamsa and lagna's trimsamsa.> > > > If lagna is at 2 deg

in Ge, according to the terminology you introduced above, "lagna's navamsa" is

in Ge (because "lagna has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is one among the nine

navamshas within" Gemini Rashi), "lagna's dwadasamsa" is in Ge (because, similar

to what you said, "lagna has some Dwadasamsa and that Dwadasamsa is one among

the twelve dwadasamsas within" Gemini Rashi) and so on. Thus, all the six

"lagna's shadvargas" are in Ge rashi according to interpretation you gave

above. Thus, any planet occupying or aspecting Ge rashi can give this raja

yoga.> > > > Is that what you are saying? The normal interpretation is

different. If lagna is at 2 deg in Ge, normally we take "lagna's rasi" as Ge,

"lagna's navamsa" as Li, "lagna's trimsamsa" as Ar etc. The normal

interpretation requires the same planet to occupy/aspect all these signs (in

various divisions). With your interpretation of "lagna's navamsa", all of

"lagna's shadvargas" fall in the same sign and this yoga is becoming a trivial

yoga. Is that what you are saying?> > > > If you are not saying this, then are

you withdrawing the interpretation you gave above for the term "Jupiter's

navamsha" and agreeing that "Jupiter's navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in

Libra navamsa" are equivalent statements? If you do so, you will have to

acknowledge that you contradicted yourself in the two posts I quoted below.> >

> > > Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you are picking up isolated> > >

statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice style.> > > > Well, these

are questions related to your termonology. If one is not able to answer

objective questions on terminology with clarity, there is no point in

discussing anything whatsoever!> > > > One using terms vaguely can say

something in one mail, contradict oneself in another mail and then deny the

contradiction by giving yet another vague explanation and playing with words.

Asking pointed questions and getting clarity on the terminology can eliminate

such things!> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> >

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Narasimha ji> > > > > > There is nothing like my dictionary.> > > > > > Jupiter

has a placement in Zodiac.A single placement.> > > > > > > > Also, in your

dictionary, is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"> > > > > apart from

the "sign having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?> > > > > > Yes there is an

entity(not jupiters in specific but navamsha of a graha in general).It is one

among the shadvargas of a graha(If you want i can give the shloka)> > > > > >

Jupiters Navamsha is the specific 3.20 degrees sector falling within the 30

degree Rashi in which it is placed. > > > > > > >>>I asked if "Jupiter's

navamsa is in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent

statements in your view.> > > > > > Jyotish questions cannot be answered if you

are picking up isolated statements and expect YES/NO as in multiple choice

style.> > > We can answer them only w.r to the Rashis in which the

corresponding navamsha is falling. > > > > > > By Jupiter's navamsha is in

Libra - the intended meaning was Jupiter has some Navamsha and that Navamsha is

one among the nine navamshas within Libra Rashi.> > > > > > By Jupiter is in

Libra navamsha - the intended meaning was Jupiter is in some Rashi and within

that jupiter is placed in Libra navamsha(3.20 degrees).> > > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks> > > Pradeep> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > You did

not answer my question. I asked:> > > > > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary,

is there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa"> > > > > > apart from the "sign

having navamsa influence of Jupiter"?> > > > > > > > You did not answer it.

This is important for further discussion.> > > > > > > > If that entity does

not exist in your dictionary, I wonder how you interpret the term "lagna's

shadvargas" mentioned by Parasara in the raja yoga verse we discussed. If that

entity does exist in your dictionary, I asked if "Jupiter's navamsa is in

Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" were equivalent statements in your

view.> > > > > > > > If they are not, please elaborate what each means to you.

If they are equivalent, please tell me why my conclusion that you contradicted

yourself in two consecutive posts is wrong (see what I wrote below in the

quoted post).> > > > > > > > If you don't directly answer my straight-forward

questions, I will have to conclude that you are not genuinely interested in a

dialog and will have to ignore all the rhetoric you resort to in other mails.>

> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha> > > >

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> > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > GEMINI is the Rashi in which Jupiter

is placed.> > > > > Gemini has many navamshas.LIBRA is one such.This LIBRA

sector is pointing towards the harmonic influence this particular 3.2 degree

sector is having with SIGN Libra.> > > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is placed in

LIBRA Navamsha within Gemini Rashi and Not in LIBRA Rashi.> > > > > LIBRA

Navamsha is having a relationship with LIBRA rashi as it is one among the

numerous harmonic influences that LIBRA sign is having on other signs.> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this is clear> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c... wrote:> > > >

> >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > Just in the previous mail

before this mail, you claimed:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters

Navamsha is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > > > navamsha

infleunce of Guru.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now you wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >

> > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > >

> > > > is the SIGN having a navamsha influence of Guru.> > > > > > > > > > >

> It sounds to me like you are saying "not X, but Y" in one mail and "X and

hence Y" in another mail. That's a contradiction!> > > > > > > > > > > > The

only way I can reconcile the two quotes is to think that "Jupiter's navamsa is

in Libra" and "Jupiter is in Libra navamsa" are totally different statements

(with the former being wrong and the latter being correct). Is that what you

are saying by any chance?> > > > > > > > > > > > If these two statements are

identical to you (or if they imply each other), then I think that the two

quotes from you above contradict each other.> > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly

make your stand clear!> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in your dictionary, is

there an entity called "Jupiter's navamsa" apart from the "sign having navamsa

influence of Jupiter"? If so, what is the sign in which this entity "Jupiter's

navamsa" is placed in the above example? Libra or not? If it is Libra, I still

don't understand why you said "It is not that Jupiter's navamsha is "IN"

Libra".> > > > > > > > > > > > Earlier, you talked about lagna navamsa, lagna

drekkana etc being aspected by planets of rasi chart. Thus, I thought you

recognized the entity "Jupiter's navamsa" and took it in Libra sign in the

above example. Agreement on that can facilitate some progress in the dialogue.

But, if suddenly that agreement disappears, we are back to square one.> > > > >

> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > >

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> > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is again a very

simple point.I should had explained this as> > > > > > > well.The answer for

both your questions is YES.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) If

Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> > > > > > >

Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Correct - It is in the

amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN''> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) If

Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> > > > > > >

navamsa. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > very Correct - It is in the

amsha of Cancer but within ''ARIES SIGN'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

sign has amshas of other signs within, which inturn represents> > > > > > >

sambandha or harmonic influences with that SIGN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now

if you read our mails again you will understand that we were> > > > > > >

talking about how this jupiter was related to LIBRA Sign.In your words> > > > >

> > transformed space.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus Jupiter is ''IN''LIBRA

navamsha within ''GEMINI'' and hence Libra> > > > > > > is the SIGN having a

navamsha influence of Guru.I hope this is very> > > > > > > clear and you may

read our mails again.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> 1)Do you think a planet has multiple positions at a point in time?.> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Do you think a planet can be Phsically present in two Zodiac

signs> > > > > > > at a point in time?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any of

your answer is ''YES'' you need to frame new theories and> > > > > > > you are

welcome and i am not interested.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My answer is a

planet has one position with different harmonic> > > > > > > influences.Please

read my 11 points.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Narasimha may feel

exalted(very relaxed and excited state) in the> > > > > > > Company of a

special friend.Does this show a Sambandha.This Samandha> > > > > > > can be

over phone,Video conferencing,same room ,different houses but> > > > > > >

balconies with a view etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly though having

one kind of harmonic influence with a> > > > > > > sign(conjunction or first

harmonic)it can feel excited or exalted> > > > > > > through harmonic sambandha

of another kind.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A planet will have samandha with the

houses lorded by it - Even if it> > > > > > > is not placed there.Similarly

there are many harmonic infleunces which> > > > > > > need not be always first

harmonic or conjunction.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still

beleive you will take the right step!!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > >

> > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@c...> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha

is ''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > > > navamsha infleunce

of Guru.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What????? What is this distinction???>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Cancer (i.e. exalted

in navamsa as per> > > > > > > normal understanding), can I similarly say the

following: "It is not> > > > > > > that Jupiters Navamsha is ''IN'' Cancer -

Cancer is the SIGN having> > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of Guru."> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please don't expect me to read between your lines and

kindly do me a> > > > > > > favor - kindly answer these two striaght-forward

questions with an> > > > > > > explicit "yes" or "no":> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > (1) If Jupiter is at 11 deg in Aries physically, his navamsa is "IN"> >

> > > > > Cancer. Is it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) If Jupiter

is at 11 deg in Aries physically, he is "exalted" in> > > > > > > navamsa. Is

it correct?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If your answer to either question

is "no", we have nothing further> > > > > > > to talk about. Actually, you may

have a lot of explaining to do> > > > > > > regarding neecha bhanga,

vaiseshikamsas etc. Whether a planet is> > > > > > > "exalted" in a particular

division (such as navamsa or dasamsa) is> > > > > > > used in several matters.>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If your answer is "yes" atleast to (1), I truly

wonder what on earth> > > > > > > you mean by the above quoted sentence. What

is the difference between> > > > > > > Cancer and Libra to change your stand?>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > >

Narasimha> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri

Narasimha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly thought a person of

your knowledge could easily understand> > > > > > > > > what i have been

talking.> > > > > > > > > If you want YES/No.Pls read.> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > (1) ((Though people define aspects based on signs, that is only >> >

> > > > > > > approximate. Parasara defined the exact quantification of an

aspects >> > > > > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar,

then his aspect on >> > > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance,

aspect of such a Mars on 0 >> > > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33% (i.e.

negligible). His aspect on 29 deg >> > > > > > > > > point in Libra is 100%

(i.e. full).> > > > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please> > > > > > > > > note that this

is a "YES" or "NO" > question)).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is YES

and a known point.I had mentioned ''Drishtikendra'' the> > > > > > > > >

meaning of which you should had picked up(It conveys the same meaning> > > > >

> > > > that you have mentioned above). > > > > > > > > > This means if there

is no planet you can only find the degree where> > > > > > > > > maximum aspect

is felt.This is not a quality of navamsha or> > > > > > > > > kshethra.It

remains the same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) ((When you only

know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is in Libra and> > > > > > > > > >do > not have a

specific point in Libra associated with it, how do> > > > > > > > > >you > know

whether Mars at 29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > > > > > >does

> not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed> > > > > > >

>above!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiters Navamsha is

''IN'' Libra - Libra is the SIGN having> > > > > > > > > navamsha infleunce of

Guru.Like Shri Narasimha is having roles as > > > > > > > > > 1)Son> > > > > >

> > > 2)Father> > > > > > > > > 3)Husband> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

LIBRA one among the 12 SIGNS mentioned by parashara, assumes multiple> > > > >

> > > > roles.Each navamsha sector''3 degree 20 minutes'' within any sign is> >

> > > > > > > harmonically related to one among the 12 Signs.I have been

mentioning> > > > > > > > > this atleast 25 times by now.You are conveniently

not reading this.I> > > > > > > > > have also told, if you are trying to bring

in degrees for navamsha you> > > > > > > > > are moving from one navamsha to

another navamsha and you are in a> > > > > > > > > loop!!!!.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not

entirely> > > > > > > > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in

LIBRA - are we having> > > > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in

Rashi Chakra.What difference does> > > > > > > > > it make when the same sign

acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra

it makes zero difference.Only difference is> > > > > > > > > kind of

aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic while opposition is> > > > > > > > >

second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please differentiate these two.> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >How do you make a determination that Mars aspects

"Jupiter's >> > > > > > > > > >>navamsa" quantify it))?> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Please QUANTIFY Mars aspecting Libra sign when Libra is empty.> > >

> > > > > > (I am expecting an answer on this )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> My question is what is the problem for you if Mars is not entirely> > > > > >

> > > aspecting Libra?When you do not have a planet in LIBRA - are we having> >

> > > > > > > any longitude to measure Drigbala in Rashi Chakra.What difference

does> > > > > > > > > it make when the same sign acts as Navamsha?> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Reagarding drishti kendra it makes zero difference.Only

difference is> > > > > > > > > kind of aspect.Navamsha aspect is ninth harmonic

while opposition is> > > > > > > > > second harmonic(quality of aspect) - Please

differentiate these two.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Please read my mails before you conclude and make assumptions - even> > > > > >

> > > though if it gives you an edge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks>

> > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

pvr@c...> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear

Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed that you did

not answer a simple yes or no> > > > > > > > > question (question 1 below) with

a straight yes or no. You probably> > > > > > > > > did not want to disagree

with Parasara and yet did not want to face> > > > > > > > > the uncomfortable

followup question by agreeing with Parasara. I can> > > > > > > > > only

guess...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you calculate

Drigbala of Mars on Libra?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no

such thing as "Drigbala of Mars on Libra". Mars aspects> > > > > > > > >

various planets with various strengths/intensities based on the exact> > > > >

> > > > angle between them. Mars aspects various houses with various> > > > >

> > > > strengths/intensities based on the exact angle between him and the> > >

> > > > > > longitudes of the house cusps. Parasara defined the quantification

of> > > > > > > > > aspect based on the exact angle between the aspecting

planet and the> > > > > > > > > aspected point.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > If Mars is at 29 deg Ar, his exact 7th house aspect is on 29 deg Li> > >

> > > > > > and the point 0 deg Li is almost 30 degrees (almost one sign!) away>

> > > > > > > > from it and hence the aspect on it is negligible (it is 3%

using> > > > > > > > > Parasara's formula)!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Thus, it is clear that Mars at 29 deg does not aspect the entire> > > > >

> > > > sign of Libra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your argument>

> > > > > > > > > > regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a

planetary > > > > > > > > > > > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give

me such an > > > > > > > > > > > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you should seriously consider the possibility

that you were> > > > > > > > > wrong in insisting that "Jupiter's navamsa" in

Libra had no longitude> > > > > > > > > associated with it. If Jupiter is at 22

deg in Ar, perhaps his navamsa> > > > > > > > > position in Li is at 2x9=18 deg

as I wrote earlier. That is how it is> > > > > > > > > taken in tradition in

the calculation of further divisions in navamsa> > > > > > > > > chart, such as

navamsa-navamsa and navamsa-dwadasamsa!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

You said:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we count on your

sincerity and honesty in this> > > > > > > discussion.if not > > > > > > > > >

> > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my time.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried sincerely, honestly and patiently. But the

very fact> > > > > > > > > that you are reluctant to answer a simple yes or no

question with a> > > > > > > > > striaght yes or no makes me wonder.> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > >

> Narasimha> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In this case Libra is empty.How do you calculate Drigbala

of> > > > > > > Mars on> > > > > > > > > > > Libra?.We can only find drishti

kendra.Now same Libra is> > > > > > > navamsha for> > > > > > > > > > > Guru

and is empty.We can only find drishti kendra.Your argument> > > > > > > > > > >

regarding Drigbala can come into picture only upon a planetary > > > > > > > > >

> > placement and hence a longitude, in Libra.Give me such an > > > > > > > > >

> > example,and am happy to discuss.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

By bringing in degrees,you are moving from one navamsha to another> > > > > > >

> > > > navamsha!!!!. Navamsha within a sign is showing the harmonic > > > > >

> > > > > > influence that sector, is having with another SIGN.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao" > > > > > > > > > > > pvr@c... wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

we count on your sincerity and honesty in this> > > > > > > discussion.if not >

> > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > see no point in wasting my

time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind

consideration given to me. Let me try> > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > >

last time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Though people

define aspects based on signs, that is only > > > > > > > > > > > approximate.

Parasara defined the exact quantification of an> > > > > > > aspects > > > > >

> > > > > > based on longitudes. If Mars is at 29 deg in Ar, then his> > > > >

> > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > all points of Libra is not uniform.> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parasara's specific guidance,

aspect of such a Mars on 0 > > > > > > > > > > > deg point in Libra is 3.33%

(i.e. negligible). His aspect on> > > > > > > 29 deg > > > > > > > > > > >

point in Libra is 100% (i.e. full).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > DO YOU AGREE OR NOT? Please note that this is a "YES" or "NO" > > > > > > >

> > > > question.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If YES,

please proceed to point (2).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If

NO, we have nothing further to discuss! If you want, you may > > > > > > > > > >

> elaborate your reasons for ignoring Parasara's guideline on> > > > > > > how

to > > > > > > > > > > > quantify, but it is not necessary.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) When you only know that "Jupiter's navamsa" is

in Libra> > > > > > > and do > > > > > > > > > > > not have a specific point in

Libra associated with it, how do you > > > > > > > > > > > know whether Mars at

29 deg in Ar aspects it? After all, Mars> > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > >

not uniformly aspect the entire sign of Libra as discussed above! > > > > > > >

> > > > How do you make a determination that Mars aspects "Jupiter's > > > > >

> > > > > > navamsa" quantify it?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------------> >

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