Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about Vedic astrology!

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*|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* Hariom, Dear friends,

 

The thread is interesting.Panditiji is a respectable astrologer.Without bias and

with due respect to all astrologers, i would like to state, proof of pudding is

in eating.

I have studied almost every thing called vedic astrology in last thirty five years.

I have consulted stalwarts and gurus also in few of my own problems apart from

offering guidance to needy .I am at ease with K.P; System Analysis and

astrology Vedic as taught by Vidhya Bhavan and sjvc with some of the well known

technique.Hope being acquainted with subject i am entitled to put my observation

although with my limited understanding.

System Analysis is wonderfully accurate in pinpointing events and its

durations.KP used to be accurate but is lost to software

and value of Ayanamsa ; for vedic to be effective you need life time study and

experimenting for achieving competency, even then one can not be sure to hit

the bulls eye.A few like visti could be exception.

There are large numbers of astrologers on this group Except a few enlightened

one rest like only academic discussion whereas the soul lies in predicting

which is rarely done .

In my life two Major events were grave ,in one i could foresee in other i failed

miserably, i consulted gurus and respectable astrologers on the list and

outside.

Results were really miserable.

It was only System analysis that proved accurate to very core of problem but it

has bait of Kavach and is directional only to catch the fish.KP fails nearly

and vedic consultation rammed in heavy dose of remedies but could offer single

sentence as part of prediction.And believe me i consulted only rarest and

competent astrologers.

I understand Astrology is a divine subject

and deserves concentrated study inspite of failures , may be my own case or one

or two case do not make up a credible data base for validating great discipline

of Astrology.

Thanks for reading so far.

 

Lastly I am not for any one system or against any one.My favourite is Prasna it

hardly disappoint me.

My purpose of posting is only to encourage

students to first predict by more than one technique in real life cases and then

share what and why method worked in cases.

Hope my mail offends no one.

Panditji <navagraha >Re: Re: Nothing Vedic or even

Hindu about "Vedic astrology"!Namaste, I am not so sure about the system's

approach. The system that calls 11thlord as the most benefice has no classical

standing. If you are proposing itto be a new age quantum theory that supersedes

classical knowledge, peoplewho try it would be most disappointed. ... On

10/28/05, amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:>>> ALL,>> Try the

Systems Approach to Astrology and compare the accuracy of> its results, the

observational science has received a huge impetus by> the research of V.K

Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you can> Join Satva and Satva 101 for

more information.> Dismissal without experiments and mere conjecture is an un->

intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan Jyotishi it> better you do

more research as to where the present "Vedic" astrology> stands, if Issac

Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro> bodies and later not

applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies)> doesnt mean it isnt true.> BHPS etc

was the foundation of this science, research was needed to> be done by us over

centuries to progress the observations and bring> in more accuracy , but

instead it was blindly followed and thus there> is so much confusion and dogma

about astrology of the East.> Present day Sages like V.K Chaudhry have taken

the observations of> Parashara, Jamini et al to another level of scientific

approach and> accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age.>

Weather predictions are never even 90% accurate yet its a science why?> every

Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be validated> with experiments

to bring in a statistical low level of mean> deviation and then depending on

the results you can conclude its> veracity.> Its my word as a computer

scientist and astrologer that mere> disregard for something without adequate

research , is not even worth> discussing.>> Thanks> Amit Patnaik

 

 

 

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i think astrology is a good subject for retired to

past time

and it does give indication of individual mind set

in a person horoscope although i dont believe in day

by day

predictive of astrology.

ram

 

 

 

 

 

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One can use whatever system one feels comfortable with. The system's appraoch

may have worked for you. I knwo that 11th lord is not a benefic according to

any classical work you read. In system's approach it is considered the most

benefic.

 

I will narrate an icident to you about the originator of system's approach. A

friend of mine met vk at a publisher's office. he did not want any predictions

as he is a competent astrologer himself. But anyway, he asked VK tell me

whether he will go to foreign country. VK after looking at his chart said, NO

way..fourth lord is in 4th house no connection with 12th...and he made some

kavach and gave it to him.

 

Now the funny part is my friend had a ticket to US in his pocket and waqs flying

out that night. If only vk had looked at the chart from moon the picture would

have been quite obvious. System's approach looks at chart only from lagna.

parashar mentions that one has to look from chadra as well. I think system's

appraoch has tried to simplify too much and in some cases it may work. As some

of the nuances may not be playing out for that particular event.

 

Budh in system's appraoch is considered as the most malefic planet for kumbha

lagna, as it has his mooltrikona sign in 8th house. My best dasha so far had

been shani-budh. I am kubbha lagna. I am sure you can find cases where

shni-budh was bad for kumbha lagna too. The point is when one simplifies too

much your chance of success in predictions is based on luck. To predict when

the probility of success is 50%, like when two candidates are running for

office, one does not need astrology a flip of coin can do the same thing

 

....

On 10/30/05, R.C.Srivastava <swami_rcs > wrote:

 

*|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* Hariom, Dear friends,

 

The thread is interesting.Panditiji is a respectable astrologer.Without bias and

with due respect to all astrologers, i would like to state, proof of pudding is

in eating.

I have studied almost every thing called vedic astrology in last thirty five years.

I have consulted stalwarts and gurus also in few of my own problems apart from

offering guidance to needy .I am at ease with K.P; System Analysis and

astrology Vedic as taught by Vidhya Bhavan and sjvc with some of the well known

technique.Hope being acquainted with subject i am entitled to put my observation

although with my limited understanding.

System Analysis is wonderfully accurate in pinpointing events and its

durations.KP used to be accurate but is lost to software

and value of Ayanamsa ; for vedic to be effective you need life time study and

experimenting for achieving competency, even then one can not be sure to hit

the bulls eye.A few like visti could be exception.

There are large numbers of astrologers on this group Except a few enlightened

one rest like only academic discussion whereas the soul lies in predicting

which is rarely done .

In my life two Major events were grave ,in one i could foresee in other i failed

miserably, i consulted gurus and respectable astrologers on the list and

outside.

Results were really miserable.

It was only System analysis that proved accurate to very core of problem but it

has bait of Kavach and is directional only to catch the fish.KP fails nearly

and vedic consultation rammed in heavy dose of remedies but could offer single

sentence as part of prediction.And believe me i consulted only rarest and

competent astrologers.

I understand Astrology is a divine subject

and deserves concentrated study inspite of failures , may be my own case or one

or two case do not make up a credible data base for validating great discipline

of Astrology.

Thanks for reading so far.

 

Lastly I am not for any one system or against any one.My favourite is Prasna it

hardly disappoint me.

My purpose of posting is only to encourage

students to first predict by more than one technique in real life cases and then

share what and why method worked in cases.

Hope my mail offends no one.

Panditji <navagraha >Re: Re: Nothing Vedic or even

Hindu about "Vedic astrology"!

Namaste, I am not so sure about the system's approach. The system that calls

11thlord as the most benefice has no classical standing. If you are proposing

itto be a new age quantum theory that supersedes classical knowledge, people

who try it would be most disappointed. ... On 10/28/05, amit_patnaik6

<amit_patnaik6 (AT) (DOT) co.in

> wrote:>>> ALL,>> Try the Systems Approach to Astrology and compare the

accuracy of> its results, the observational science has received a huge impetus

by> the research of V.K Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you can> Join

Satva and Satva 101 for more information.> Dismissal without experiments and

mere conjecture is an un-> intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan

Jyotishi it

> better you do more research as to where the present "Vedic" astrology> stands,

if Issac Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro> bodies and later not

applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies)

> doesnt mean it isnt true.> BHPS etc was the foundation of this science,

research was needed to> be done by us over centuries to progress the

observations and bring> in more accuracy , but instead it was blindly followed

and thus there

> is so much confusion and dogma about astrology of the East.> Present day Sages

like V.K Chaudhry have taken the observations of> Parashara, Jamini et al to

another level of scientific approach and

> accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age.> Weather

predictions are never even 90% accurate yet its a science why?> every Theory is

a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be validated

> with experiments to bring in a statistical low level of mean> deviation and

then depending on the results you can conclude its> veracity.> Its my word as a

computer scientist and astrologer that mere

> disregard for something without adequate research , is not even worth>

discussing.>> Thanks> Amit Patnaik

 

 

 

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hi munisevitham;

how about astronomy which lead us to visit by space

ships to other planet

a calculative /math which i think use to be part of

astrology in vedic time

but rishi stress to first realize the atman in this

human bodies than to

go by space ship and visit the moon.

i agree the predictive part of astrology is for us

retiree for pasttime but

youth shold go on belive in karma yoga .

ram

 

 

 

 

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Dear amit,

You seems to be a computer professional. Yes, may be good software

tools developed could put an end to such conflicts. If it is what you

mean, then PVR's efforts ranks top. That is why we are all much

appreciative of his efforts. Scientific methods of research should be

applied in astrology as well. Sincere seekers of astrological truth

should come out with such software tools or other methodologies to

test the validity of astrology. I really appreciate your views.

"Dismissal without experiments and mere conjecture is an un-

intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul." Wow.. You said it well!

"research was needed to be done by us over centuries to progress the

observations and bring in more accuracy , but instead it was blindly

followed and thus there is so much confusion and dogma about astrology

of the East." Yes you are right!

"Present day Sages like V.K Chaudhry have taken the observations of

Parashara, Jamini et al to another level of scientific approach and

accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age."

Oh!..No!...I need a bit of salt to digest it!!!

"every Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be validated

with experiments to bring in a statistical low level of mean

deviation and then depending on the results you can conclude its

veracity."

Yah... Sounds good!

"Its my word as a computer scientist and astrologer that mere

disregard for something without adequate research , is not even worth

discussing."

Yes being the same I agree(I mean programmer/astrologer), and I hope

PVR will too. But he is better than us in this regard as he has

applied it in his research!

Thanks for that good mail.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

On 10/28/05, amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6 wrote:

>

>

> ALL,

>

> Try the Systems Approach to Astrology and compare the accuracy of

> its results, the observational science has received a huge impetus

by

> the research of V.K Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you can

> Join Satva and Satva 101 for more information.

> Dismissal without experiments and mere conjecture is an un-

> intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan Jyotishi it

> better you do more research as to where the present "Vedic"

astrology

> stands, if Issac Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro

> bodies and later not applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies)

> doesnt mean it isnt true.

> BHPS etc was the foundation of this science, research was needed to

> be done by us over centuries to progress the observations and bring

> in more accuracy , but instead it was blindly followed and thus

there

> is so much confusion and dogma about astrology of the East.

> Present day Sages like V.K Chaudhry have taken the observations of

> Parashara, Jamini et al to another level of scientific approach and

> accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age.

> Weather predcitions are never even 90% accurate yet its a science

why?

> every Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be validated

> with experiments to bring in a statistical low level of mean

> deviation and then depending on the results you can conclude its

> veracity.

> Its my word as a computer scientist and astrologer that mere

> disregard for something without adequate research , is not even

worth

> discussing.

>

> Thanks

> Amit Patnaik

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sauravdesi,

you said:

> I will not consider it as a science.

> Rather it is an art since it is highly subjective to individual's

> ability to use empirical rules.

Can't we accept astrology as astrology? Should we have to frame it

into fixed/rigid moulds like Science or Art?

> Statistics is blind. I can correlate number of hurricanes to certain

> qualities of US president. Or that matter, India's population with

> Chinese economic growth. Will that be a new science then?

I agree with what you said about Statistics.

> Having said that, I have no prejudice against the practice of

jyotshi.

> However, instead of clinging to the rules of those claimed/

unclaimed,

> antique/modern books it is time to start thinking why those rules

work

> or does not work

That is quit impressive. You said it well.

Thanks for the good mail.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

Message: 10

Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:34:45 -0000

"sauravdesi" <sauravdesi

Re: Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about "Vedic astrology"!

 

Dear Amit

 

You asked weather predictions are not even accurate by 90%, yet it is

a science. Weahter prediction is basically done by a set of dynamical

and physcal equations. Those are formaulated based on natural laws of

fluid dynamics modified by planetary effects; such as earth's

rotation, earth's radiation, topography, vegetation ..... It is not

100% accurate yet because of the limitation of our knowledge in scale

interactions of different phenomena of nature ; e.g. the air-sea

interaction, cloud micro physics, vegetation and environmental efects

etc. Those understanding will need both field experiments as well as

computer simulations which will cost trillions of dollars. But the

science is growing and eventually will achive the goal.

 

In the predictions of weather and climate again it depends what you

wish to predict. A lay man will not be wrong to say that monsoon will

come to India every year. How it will menifest is a difficult question

and dependent on several factors some of which are known and some are

yet unknown.

 

Compare that with astrology. People may argue the role of dynamics and

physics in astrology - but is not that part taken care in astronomy?

Over the years people have tried to establish empirical relation based

on certain combinations of planets, stars and constellation of stars

(sometimes even not related to their actual positions in physical

space). This is not bad for prediictive purposes or using it for

predictive purposes. However, I will not consider it as a science.

Rather it is an art since it is highly subjective to individual's

ability to use empirical rules. For example. no where in those claimed

anacient literature that you will find a mention of the word

"computer". Yet modern jyotishi predict's a person's career, living

and name and fame related to his knowledge and ability in computer

science. In fact most modern jyotishi are dependent on computer.

 

Statistics is blind. I can correlate number of hurricanes to certain

qualities of US president. Or that matter, India's population with

Chinese ecoomic growth. Will that be a new science then?

 

If we think planets are affecting us, why a particular person is

affacted more than others even if he lives in the same locality. In

esence are we not trying to say that a planet/combination of planets

placed in astral space has differential influence on the same

location. People argue that people born on different times have

different mental qualities and hence they are affaceted differently

through their mental channels. Well, mental chanel can not

invite/avoid death. Other way round, twins born seconds appart living

in the same locality suffer/enjoy differently. How can we explain

that?

 

Having said that, I have no prejudice against the practice of jyotshi.

However, instead of clinging to the rules of those claimed/unclaimed,

antique/modern books it is time to start thinking why those rules work

or does not work

 

Thanks

 

Saurav

 

 

>

> Try the Systems Approach to Astrology and compare the accuracy of

> its results, the observational science has received a huge impetus

by

> the research of V.K Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you can

> Join Satva and Satva 101 for more information.

> Dismissal without experiments and mere conjecture is an un-

> intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan Jyotishi it

> better you do more research as to where the present "Vedic"

astrology

> stands, if Issac Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro

> bodies and later not applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies)

> doesnt mean it isnt true.

> BHPS etc was the foundation of this science, research was needed to

> be done by us over centuries to progress the observations and bring

> in more accuracy , but instead it was blindly followed and thus

there

> is so much confusion and dogma about astrology of the East.

> Present day Sages like V.K Chaudhry have taken the observations of

> Parashara, Jamini et al to another level of scientific approach and

> accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age.

> Weather predcitions are never even 90% accurate yet its a science

why?

> every Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be validated

> with experiments to bring in a statistical low level of mean

> deviation and then depending on the results you can conclude its

> veracity.

> Its my word as a computer scientist and astrologer that mere

> disregard for something without adequate research , is not even

worth

> discussing.

>

> Thanks

> Amit Patnaik

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji

 

Thanks for your remarks. I wish I could consider astrology as science

being a scientist myself. But the great degree of subjectivity in

practice, bsides the enoromous diversity in guiding principles, has

frustrated me quite a lot. Nevertheless, I see brilliant predictions

and interesting interpretations though no one is even 90% accurate.

Therefore, I tend to feel this is an art which takes its finest form

in the hand of a good artist. In the physical world that we are living

we tend to categorize things physically. It is difficult for a common

man to think in spiritual plane to give a topic its absolute form

rather than categorizing those as art and science. I am sure being

logical in your approach; you can understand my difficulty in

understanding this subject - jyotishi.

 

However the rich information I find in several texts of jyotishi

(leave apart if those are written by a Parasara or x, y, z), attract

me to this subject and the bulletin boards. Space and time have

puzzled me from my school days: Is space composed of only three

dimensions? Is time axis, a line, a string, a circle (kala chakra as

we read in astro books), a tide (my feeling), or an infinite

dimensional space? After reading jyotish books I have a feeling that

our ancestors have an idea about the time and space i.e. much more

advanced than modern science has given us. Unfortunately, those

information are too abstract and not intended to be interpreted in a

straight forward way. So, I feel we are just playing with puzzles. The

solutions are still hidden.

 

May the light of Deepa unravel the wisdom from darkness!

 

Happy Dipavali,

Saurav

 

>

> Dear Sauravdesi,

> you said:

> > I will not consider it as a science.

> > Rather it is an art since it is highly subjective to individual's

> > ability to use empirical rules.

> Can't we accept astrology as astrology? Should we have to frame it

> into fixed/rigid moulds like Science or Art?

> > Statistics is blind. I can correlate number of hurricanes to certain

> > qualities of US president. Or that matter, India's population with

> > Chinese economic growth. Will that be a new science then?

> I agree with what you said about Statistics.

> > Having said that, I have no prejudice against the practice of

> jyotshi.

> > However, instead of clinging to the rules of those claimed/

> unclaimed,

> > antique/modern books it is time to start thinking why those rules

> work

> > or does not work

> That is quit impressive. You said it well.

> Thanks for the good mail.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> Message: 10

> Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:34:45 -0000

> "sauravdesi" <sauravdesi>

> Re: Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about "Vedic astrology"!

>

> Dear Amit

>

> You asked weather predictions are not even accurate by 90%, yet it is

> a science. Weahter prediction is basically done by a set of dynamical

> and physcal equations. Those are formaulated based on natural laws of

> fluid dynamics modified by planetary effects; such as earth's

> rotation, earth's radiation, topography, vegetation ..... It is not

> 100% accurate yet because of the limitation of our knowledge in scale

> interactions of different phenomena of nature ; e.g. the air-sea

> interaction, cloud micro physics, vegetation and environmental efects

> etc. Those understanding will need both field experiments as well as

> computer simulations which will cost trillions of dollars. But the

> science is growing and eventually will achive the goal.

>

> In the predictions of weather and climate again it depends what you

> wish to predict. A lay man will not be wrong to say that monsoon will

> come to India every year. How it will menifest is a difficult question

> and dependent on several factors some of which are known and some are

> yet unknown.

>

> Compare that with astrology. People may argue the role of dynamics and

> physics in astrology - but is not that part taken care in astronomy?

> Over the years people have tried to establish empirical relation based

> on certain combinations of planets, stars and constellation of stars

> (sometimes even not related to their actual positions in physical

> space). This is not bad for prediictive purposes or using it for

> predictive purposes. However, I will not consider it as a science.

> Rather it is an art since it is highly subjective to individual's

> ability to use empirical rules. For example. no where in those claimed

> anacient literature that you will find a mention of the word

> "computer". Yet modern jyotishi predict's a person's career, living

> and name and fame related to his knowledge and ability in computer

> science. In fact most modern jyotishi are dependent on computer.

>

> Statistics is blind. I can correlate number of hurricanes to certain

> qualities of US president. Or that matter, India's population with

> Chinese ecoomic growth. Will that be a new science then?

>

> If we think planets are affecting us, why a particular person is

> affacted more than others even if he lives in the same locality. In

> esence are we not trying to say that a planet/combination of planets

> placed in astral space has differential influence on the same

> location. People argue that people born on different times have

> different mental qualities and hence they are affaceted differently

> through their mental channels. Well, mental chanel can not

> invite/avoid death. Other way round, twins born seconds appart living

> in the same locality suffer/enjoy differently. How can we explain

> that?

>

> Having said that, I have no prejudice against the practice of jyotshi.

> However, instead of clinging to the rules of those claimed/unclaimed,

> antique/modern books it is time to start thinking why those rules work

> or does not work

>

> Thanks

>

> Saurav

>

>

> >

> > Try the Systems Approach to Astrology and compare the accuracy of

> > its results, the observational science has received a huge impetus

> by

> > the research of V.K Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you can

> > Join Satva and Satva 101 for more information.

> > Dismissal without experiments and mere conjecture is an un-

> > intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan Jyotishi it

> > better you do more research as to where the present "Vedic"

> astrology

> > stands, if Issac Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro

> > bodies and later not applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies)

> > doesnt mean it isnt true.

> > BHPS etc was the foundation of this science, research was needed to

> > be done by us over centuries to progress the observations and bring

> > in more accuracy , but instead it was blindly followed and thus

> there

> > is so much confusion and dogma about astrology of the East.

> > Present day Sages like V.K Chaudhry have taken the observations of

> > Parashara, Jamini et al to another level of scientific approach and

> > accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age.

> > Weather predcitions are never even 90% accurate yet its a science

> why?

> > every Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be validated

> > with experiments to bring in a statistical low level of mean

> > deviation and then depending on the results you can conclude its

> > veracity.

> > Its my word as a computer scientist and astrologer that mere

> > disregard for something without adequate research , is not even

> worth

> > discussing.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Amit Patnaik

> >

>