Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) -spirituality/Shri Partha

October 30, 2005

Dear Partha ji

Thanks for your mail.

I believe i do respect others.If you can point to any specific

instance i can apologize and try to correct myslef.

Now rigidity.Yes i am rigid when satisfactory explanations are not

got.You may be satisfied with two zodicas as defined by Shri Rath -

But i am NOT.

This is not disrespect towards an individual,but towards a view.

First Some one says all Vargas are to be analysed identically.Then you

say ''ok there is no graha drishti possible in vargas only rashi

drishti''.Then you say nabhasa yogas are not possile in Vargas!!!.Then

you sayMahapurusha is not possible only akin to Mahgapurusha!!!

Partha ji i am not prepared to accept such nonsense and

inconsistencies.If you want you may and i will remain RIGID.These are

only results of classical misinterpretations.

You are not prepared to listen to classical authors nor numerous local

authors.Who is rigid -The one who debates for classics or the one who

is not prepared to change.

Unfortunately you are lacking consistency.Two days back you had told

shri Narasimha,that logic is the strongest point,assuming his logic as

right.

But today you have gone back to spirituality as you have no logic to

support your own theory - The same old trick by many.

1)Can you kindly define what is spirituality - For me it us the desire

to know the TRUTH.How did you measure my spirituality.

Do you think everyone has to show off or write Mantras on the email

editor to advertise his spirituality.

2)Can you kindly brief the salient features of the special

spirituality required in understanding Vargas.I am aware of various

Talas of mind and consciousness.But i do not want to bring in houses

everywhere to understand them.I will see how classical authors have

applied vargas along with rashi bhavas and karakas in understanding

those sutle factors.

Now i have people in my mind at Gurusthana who are continously guiding

me.Also Lord Siva the Guru among Gurus deals with subtle bodies and is

having first hand experience and is aware of the various minds.

HIS words will be final and i am writing to defend his wisdom

expressed through classical authors.Even if it takes me many Janmas i

will only be happy to do it,no matter whoever tries to degrade/distract.

I have seen some recent trends to pump in more spirituality and

mythological gimmicks into Vargas to make people confused.

So others will think ''this pradeep is a fool,see how much

spirituality is invloved in all these Vargas''.

Those are fine with me but any amount of spirituality cannot justify

''houses'' in Vargas.It can only signify the importance of Vargas not

houses.

You are misinterpreting that ancient wisdom in the name of some self

imagined spirituality and mind notions.I am the same old Pradeep and

it is you who have fallen into hallucinations about the Vargas and

Jyotisha.

I have never seen you asking Shri Sanjay Rath to participate in quizzes!!!

Spirituality is to see the same energy/force/SAT/Essence in

everyone.It is the quest to Know Spirit,the Amsha of LORD in us.By

bringing in houses every here and there you will not achieve any

spirituality.

Can you ask shri Sanjay Rath - How is Kalyan Varma using Vargas.Brihat

Jataka examples.Did they too lack spirituality.

Can you ask him about his 2 Zodiacs - You will not - You will only try

to divert the attention by bringing in spirituality.Vargas have a

definition from Sage.

If you are impartial - read and attempt what classical authors have

said and get it clarified from Guru.Come out of the Maya Valayam.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep

>

> Forgot to add one more point. To understand divisional charts, one

> must understand so many things about spiritualty, existence, causal,

> subtle and gross bodies first. You must have first hand experience

> of these things. You must be aware of the various "minds", the

> various levels of consciousness which can be obtained only by sadhana

> and not theoretical intellecual mumbo jumbo.

>

> I am talking about spirituality which you sadly lack. This is not a

> judgement, but an observation.

>

> Best wishes

> partha

>

> vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep

> >

> > I wish you were the old Pradeep who used to have respect for

> > everyone, who used to open to all and not sticking to only one

> rigid

> > stand.

> >

> > For your kind information i never used to believe in Varga charts

> > myself, and had debates with Sri Sanjay Rath and Narasimha Rao, but

> i

> > did not take "Ages" to understand why varga charts exist.

> >

> > All it took me was one year of understanding theory and immediately

> > applying them on practical charts. I dont know about you, but i

> used

> > to get chart requests for about a dozen a day and that is why i was

> > able to implement whatever i learnt quickly to see whether they

> were

> > working.

> > I used varga charts, they worked for me, that is enough for me. I

> am

> > not like you, endlessly debating to prove superiority. I am not in

> > ego games that you indulge in. All i am interested is whether the

> > theories applicability on "REAL CHARTS"

> > Best wishes

> > partha

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Partha ji

> > >

> > > To demonstrate practically is ofcourse the end and is what that

> all

> > of

> > > us desire.Me and you have participated in many quizzes and have

> > failed

> > > as well as succeeded.

> > > Now let us come to theory.What Sreenadh is talking is not his

> > > theory.Those are classical statements.But How about Varga

> Charts!!!.

> > > Before trying to criticize Sreenadh did you have a good word for

> him

> > > for his efforts.Do you accept knowledge only from one

> > > direction.Knowledge does not belong to any group or institution.

> > It

> > > has been there and will remain forever.We should be thankful to

> the

> > > facilitators whether it is SJC or Sreenadh.We should never think

> we

> > > are the best learned.You are not prepared to see the shlokas from

> > > KalyanVarma - hundreds of them!!!.You do not want to listen to

> > > others.You are everready to jump and criticise.You were hailing

> shri

> > > Narasimhas mail and boasting that everyone should accept that

> Varga

> > > Charts exist.You are free to hold your view.But can you

> > constructively

> > > debate based on Classics.What is your view - Do you accept 2

> Zodiacs

> > > as advised by Shri Rath(One in zodiacal order and other anti

> > zodiacal).

> > >

> > > I could only wish if you were the same old Partha who could even

> > learn

> > > from a barber.Please read the views and then criticize

> > > constructively.Even if we have been beleiveing for long,WRONG is

> > WRONG

> > > and cannot withstand the tests of time.This is applicable for your

> > > understanding as well as mine.

> > >

> > > When well read astrologers like Sreenadh are commenting,kindly

> have

> > > Kripa to see the merit.Sound basics leads to better

> > understanding.Else

> > > all the hard work has to be reverted.Thus theory has value

> > especially

> > > when fundamentals are misinterpreted.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir

> > > >

> > > > Astrology will not be proved by participating in theoretical

> > debates.

> > > > Participate in few puzzles and quizzes and show us your talent

> > > > instead of talking about theories

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> <sreelid>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandra Sekhar ji,

> > > > > You said it right! Why it is so? That is why it is necessary

> > to

> > > > have

> > > > > a look back at the basics.

> > > > > In astrology any one with little effort could clearly

> > visualize

> > > > that,

> > > > > basically 4 items are important as they serve as the

> > significators

> > > > of

> > > > > many things. They are 1-Rasi, 2-Bhava, 3-Planet. To draw some

> > real

> > > > > predictions out of the numerous things for which these three

> > are

> > > > > significators 7 combinations as I have described in my

> previous

> > > > mail

> > > > > is used. The same principle is used to deal with Vargas as

> > well.

> > > > All

> > > > > other branches are just secondary to this fundamental idea.

> > This

> > > > way

> > > > > can't you see how simple it is to get a complete picture of

> > > > astrology

> > > > > ?! Now we should start learning each of these branches in

> > detail. I

> > > > > think it is the right approach as the Rishi horas supports

> this

> > > > view.

> > > > > Now coming to BPHS, Vedic/Non-vedic controversy or the like,

> > it is

> > > > > more related to history than to astrology. Only thing the

> real

> > > > > astrologers should worry about is - how to predict (with Sign-

> > House-

> > > > > Plant etc and the whole bunch of data we have) correctly?

> > Mostly

> > > > they

> > > > > would be worried about one more thing as well in the current

> > > > > situation, that is - whether astrology is correct or not? In

> > > > > controversies like the one Mohan ji initiates (BPHS,

> Vedic/Non-

> > > > vedic

> > > > > controversy etc) we should participate with enthusiasm as it

> is

> > not

> > > > > directly linked to astrology (if astrology is right).

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > Message: 24

> > > > > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:09:25 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > Chandra Sekhar <chandra_sekhar1970>

> > > > > Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri

> Narasimha -

> > 4

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > It is confusion everywhere. Some Jyotsi says there was no

> > Parasara

> > > > > Hora, some claims Rasi and some says only Varga. How come the

> > > > experts

> > > > > speak

> > > > > so incoherently? All qualified people, very intelligent

> people

> > who

> > > > > have

> > > > > shown their excellence in modern scientific sphere and

> talking

> > like

> > > > > blind men who have gone to see the elephant. What can be more

> > > > funny?

> > > > > What is fundamental in astrology? Planetary positions or

> their

> > > > > derivatives? What is more important - actual date of birth or

> > > > annual

> > > > > birth day?

> > > > > In science, a spurious text book will be identified and

> weeded

> > out

> > > > > immediately. Whatever a text book may contradict, two

> teachers

> > of

> > > > > Physics

> > > > > won't contradict the Newton's laws. But here the qualified

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > are in conflict over fundamental things.

> > > > > Shall astrology come out of all these uncertainties? Are

> these

> > > > > uncertainties a product of astrology itself or of the minds

> of

> > > > > astrologers?

> > > > >

> > > > > chandra sekhar

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 30, 2005

Dear Pradeep

I didnot want to debate with you, but you are forcing me to. You have

to understand the concept of Bhava, arudha properly before even

attempting to understand vargas.

You have not understood bhava at all, so there is no point in arguing

with you. Sanjayji once told me very clearly, "partha, you know and i

know, what is the need to discuss these things with others".You know

Sanjayji has taught me nothing. He never ever shared even a single

principle with me. Whatever i learnt was through by reading his

articles, and then doing meditation to understand those principles.

Some things just cannot be explained to blind and deaf people,

because they cannot experience it. Similarly some of the knowledge

cannot be passed, not because i fear or Sanjayji fears that it may be

misued, but because you cannot understand it.

It is like giving 1000 watts power in a 6 watt bulb. Please do some

sadhana. Dont get into the debates with same old people, nobody can

guide you, nobody can teach you the truth, but you yourself.You are

your own guru

You may dismiss me, my words as plain foolish. Not a problem to me. I

am not the loser if you dont follow this genuine heartfelt advice.

You may dismiss me saying that i dont know anything, i use

spirituality as a cover.Not a problem at all. You may dismiss me as a

person who doesnot understand anything, but preaches a lot. Not a

problem again. Whatever you may say, i dont lose anything. Because

whatever i have learnt is due to my tapasya,

Best wishes

partha

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Partha ji

>

> Thanks for your mail.

> I believe i do respect others.If you can point to any specific

> instance i can apologize and try to correct myslef.

> Now rigidity.Yes i am rigid when satisfactory explanations are not

> got.You may be satisfied with two zodicas as defined by Shri Rath -

> But i am NOT.

> This is not disrespect towards an individual,but towards a view.

> First Some one says all Vargas are to be analysed identically.Then

you

> say ''ok there is no graha drishti possible in vargas only rashi

> drishti''.Then you say nabhasa yogas are not possile in

Vargas!!!.Then

> you sayMahapurusha is not possible only akin to Mahgapurusha!!!

>

> Partha ji i am not prepared to accept such nonsense and

> inconsistencies.If you want you may and i will remain RIGID.These

are

> only results of classical misinterpretations.

>

> You are not prepared to listen to classical authors nor numerous

local

> authors.Who is rigid -The one who debates for classics or the one

who

> is not prepared to change.

> Unfortunately you are lacking consistency.Two days back you had told

> shri Narasimha,that logic is the strongest point,assuming his logic

as

> right.

> But today you have gone back to spirituality as you have no logic to

> support your own theory - The same old trick by many.

>

> 1)Can you kindly define what is spirituality - For me it us the

desire

> to know the TRUTH.How did you measure my spirituality.

> Do you think everyone has to show off or write Mantras on the email

> editor to advertise his spirituality.

>

> 2)Can you kindly brief the salient features of the special

> spirituality required in understanding Vargas.I am aware of various

> Talas of mind and consciousness.But i do not want to bring in houses

> everywhere to understand them.I will see how classical authors have

> applied vargas along with rashi bhavas and karakas in understanding

> those sutle factors.

>

> Now i have people in my mind at Gurusthana who are continously

guiding

> me.Also Lord Siva the Guru among Gurus deals with subtle bodies and

is

> having first hand experience and is aware of the various minds.

> HIS words will be final and i am writing to defend his wisdom

> expressed through classical authors.Even if it takes me many Janmas

i

> will only be happy to do it,no matter whoever tries to

degrade/distract.

>

> I have seen some recent trends to pump in more spirituality and

> mythological gimmicks into Vargas to make people confused.

> So others will think ''this pradeep is a fool,see how much

> spirituality is invloved in all these Vargas''.

> Those are fine with me but any amount of spirituality cannot justify

> ''houses'' in Vargas.It can only signify the importance of Vargas

not

> houses.

>

> You are misinterpreting that ancient wisdom in the name of some self

> imagined spirituality and mind notions.I am the same old Pradeep and

> it is you who have fallen into hallucinations about the Vargas and

> Jyotisha.

>

> I have never seen you asking Shri Sanjay Rath to participate in

quizzes!!!

>

> Spirituality is to see the same energy/force/SAT/Essence in

> everyone.It is the quest to Know Spirit,the Amsha of LORD in us.By

> bringing in houses every here and there you will not achieve any

> spirituality.

>

> Can you ask shri Sanjay Rath - How is Kalyan Varma using

Vargas.Brihat

> Jataka examples.Did they too lack spirituality.

>

> Can you ask him about his 2 Zodiacs - You will not - You will only

try

> to divert the attention by bringing in spirituality.Vargas have a

> definition from Sage.

> If you are impartial - read and attempt what classical authors have

> said and get it clarified from Guru.Come out of the Maya Valayam.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep

> >

> > Forgot to add one more point. To understand divisional charts,

one

> > must understand so many things about spiritualty, existence,

causal,

> > subtle and gross bodies first. You must have first hand

experience

> > of these things. You must be aware of the various "minds", the

> > various levels of consciousness which can be obtained only by

sadhana

> > and not theoretical intellecual mumbo jumbo.

> >

> > I am talking about spirituality which you sadly lack. This is not

a

> > judgement, but an observation.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > partha

> >

> > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep

> > >

> > > I wish you were the old Pradeep who used to have respect for

> > > everyone, who used to open to all and not sticking to only one

> > rigid

> > > stand.

> > >

> > > For your kind information i never used to believe in Varga

charts

> > > myself, and had debates with Sri Sanjay Rath and Narasimha Rao,

but

> > i

> > > did not take "Ages" to understand why varga charts exist.

> > >

> > > All it took me was one year of understanding theory and

immediately

> > > applying them on practical charts. I dont know about you, but i

> > used

> > > to get chart requests for about a dozen a day and that is why i

was

> > > able to implement whatever i learnt quickly to see whether they

> > were

> > > working.

> > > I used varga charts, they worked for me, that is enough for me.

I

> > am

> > > not like you, endlessly debating to prove superiority. I am not

in

> > > ego games that you indulge in. All i am interested is whether

the

> > > theories applicability on "REAL CHARTS"

> > > Best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Partha ji

> > > >

> > > > To demonstrate practically is ofcourse the end and is what

that

> > all

> > > of

> > > > us desire.Me and you have participated in many quizzes and

have

> > > failed

> > > > as well as succeeded.

> > > > Now let us come to theory.What Sreenadh is talking is not his

> > > > theory.Those are classical statements.But How about Varga

> > Charts!!!.

> > > > Before trying to criticize Sreenadh did you have a good word

for

> > him

> > > > for his efforts.Do you accept knowledge only from one

> > > > direction.Knowledge does not belong to any group or

institution.

> > > It

> > > > has been there and will remain forever.We should be thankful

to

> > the

> > > > facilitators whether it is SJC or Sreenadh.We should never

think

> > we

> > > > are the best learned.You are not prepared to see the shlokas

from

> > > > KalyanVarma - hundreds of them!!!.You do not want to listen to

> > > > others.You are everready to jump and criticise.You were

hailing

> > shri

> > > > Narasimhas mail and boasting that everyone should accept that

> > Varga

> > > > Charts exist.You are free to hold your view.But can you

> > > constructively

> > > > debate based on Classics.What is your view - Do you accept 2

> > Zodiacs

> > > > as advised by Shri Rath(One in zodiacal order and other anti

> > > zodiacal).

> > > >

> > > > I could only wish if you were the same old Partha who could

even

> > > learn

> > > > from a barber.Please read the views and then criticize

> > > > constructively.Even if we have been beleiveing for long,WRONG

is

> > > WRONG

> > > > and cannot withstand the tests of time.This is applicable for

your

> > > > understanding as well as mine.

> > > >

> > > > When well read astrologers like Sreenadh are

commenting,kindly

> > have

> > > > Kripa to see the merit.Sound basics leads to better

> > > understanding.Else

> > > > all the hard work has to be reverted.Thus theory has value

> > > especially

> > > > when fundamentals are misinterpreted.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology will not be proved by participating in

theoretical

> > > debates.

> > > > > Participate in few puzzles and quizzes and show us your

talent

> > > > > instead of talking about theories

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > <sreelid>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandra Sekhar ji,

> > > > > > You said it right! Why it is so? That is why it is

necessary

> > > to

> > > > > have

> > > > > > a look back at the basics.

> > > > > > In astrology any one with little effort could clearly

> > > visualize

> > > > > that,

> > > > > > basically 4 items are important as they serve as the

> > > significators

> > > > > of

> > > > > > many things. They are 1-Rasi, 2-Bhava, 3-Planet. To draw

some

> > > real

> > > > > > predictions out of the numerous things for which these

three

> > > are

> > > > > > significators 7 combinations as I have described in my

> > previous

> > > > > mail

> > > > > > is used. The same principle is used to deal with Vargas

as

> > > well.

> > > > > All

> > > > > > other branches are just secondary to this fundamental

idea.

> > > This

> > > > > way

> > > > > > can't you see how simple it is to get a complete picture

of

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > ?! Now we should start learning each of these branches in

> > > detail. I

> > > > > > think it is the right approach as the Rishi horas

supports

> > this

> > > > > view.

> > > > > > Now coming to BPHS, Vedic/Non-vedic controversy or the

like,

> > > it is

> > > > > > more related to history than to astrology. Only thing the

> > real

> > > > > > astrologers should worry about is - how to predict (with

Sign-

> > > House-

> > > > > > Plant etc and the whole bunch of data we have) correctly?

> > > Mostly

> > > > > they

> > > > > > would be worried about one more thing as well in the

current

> > > > > > situation, that is - whether astrology is correct or not?

In

> > > > > > controversies like the one Mohan ji initiates (BPHS,

> > Vedic/Non-

> > > > > vedic

> > > > > > controversy etc) we should participate with enthusiasm as

it

> > is

> > > not

> > > > > > directly linked to astrology (if astrology is right).

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Message: 24

> > > > > > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:09:25 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > Chandra Sekhar <chandra_sekhar1970>

> > > > > > Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri

> > Narasimha -

> > > 4

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is confusion everywhere. Some Jyotsi says there was no

> > > Parasara

> > > > > > Hora, some claims Rasi and some says only Varga. How come

the

> > > > > experts

> > > > > > speak

> > > > > > so incoherently? All qualified people, very intelligent

> > people

> > > who

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > shown their excellence in modern scientific sphere and

> > talking

> > > like

> > > > > > blind men who have gone to see the elephant. What can be

more

> > > > > funny?

> > > > > > What is fundamental in astrology? Planetary positions or

> > their

> > > > > > derivatives? What is more important - actual date of

birth or

> > > > > annual

> > > > > > birth day?

> > > > > > In science, a spurious text book will be identified and

> > weeded

> > > out

> > > > > > immediately. Whatever a text book may contradict, two

> > teachers

> > > of

> > > > > > Physics

> > > > > > won't contradict the Newton's laws. But here the

qualified

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > are in conflict over fundamental things.

> > > > > > Shall astrology come out of all these uncertainties? Are

> > these

> > > > > > uncertainties a product of astrology itself or of the

minds

> > of

> > > > > > astrologers?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > chandra sekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 30, 2005

Dear Parthasarathy ji

I again say you do not have any scale to measure others spirituality.

Also purpose of Vargas are different from definition and analysis of

Vargas.

Definition is objective and is not subjective.Subtelities of Vargas

are sujective and it needs sadhana and Tapas.I am asking you on

definition and you are not prepared to accept the lack of

understanding.You can call me deaf ,dumb or anything.Nothing will

happen in this world if we share the meaning of definition!!!.We

cannot fool people all the time.

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep

>

> I didnot want to debate with you, but you are forcing me to. You have

> to understand the concept of Bhava, arudha properly before even

> attempting to understand vargas.

>

> You have not understood bhava at all, so there is no point in arguing

> with you. Sanjayji once told me very clearly, "partha, you know and i

> know, what is the need to discuss these things with others".You know

> Sanjayji has taught me nothing. He never ever shared even a single

> principle with me. Whatever i learnt was through by reading his

> articles, and then doing meditation to understand those principles.

>

> Some things just cannot be explained to blind and deaf people,

> because they cannot experience it. Similarly some of the knowledge

> cannot be passed, not because i fear or Sanjayji fears that it may be

> misued, but because you cannot understand it.

> It is like giving 1000 watts power in a 6 watt bulb. Please do some

> sadhana. Dont get into the debates with same old people, nobody can

> guide you, nobody can teach you the truth, but you yourself.You are

> your own guru

>

> You may dismiss me, my words as plain foolish. Not a problem to me. I

> am not the loser if you dont follow this genuine heartfelt advice.

> You may dismiss me saying that i dont know anything, i use

> spirituality as a cover.Not a problem at all. You may dismiss me as a

> person who doesnot understand anything, but preaches a lot. Not a

> problem again. Whatever you may say, i dont lose anything. Because

> whatever i have learnt is due to my tapasya,

>

> Best wishes

> partha

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Partha ji

> >

> > Thanks for your mail.

> > I believe i do respect others.If you can point to any specific

> > instance i can apologize and try to correct myslef.

> > Now rigidity.Yes i am rigid when satisfactory explanations are not

> > got.You may be satisfied with two zodicas as defined by Shri Rath -

> > But i am NOT.

> > This is not disrespect towards an individual,but towards a view.

> > First Some one says all Vargas are to be analysed identically.Then

> you

> > say ''ok there is no graha drishti possible in vargas only rashi

> > drishti''.Then you say nabhasa yogas are not possile in

> Vargas!!!.Then

> > you sayMahapurusha is not possible only akin to Mahgapurusha!!!

> >

> > Partha ji i am not prepared to accept such nonsense and

> > inconsistencies.If you want you may and i will remain RIGID.These

> are

> > only results of classical misinterpretations.

> >

> > You are not prepared to listen to classical authors nor numerous

> local

> > authors.Who is rigid -The one who debates for classics or the one

> who

> > is not prepared to change.

> > Unfortunately you are lacking consistency.Two days back you had told

> > shri Narasimha,that logic is the strongest point,assuming his logic

> as

> > right.

> > But today you have gone back to spirituality as you have no logic to

> > support your own theory - The same old trick by many.

> >

> > 1)Can you kindly define what is spirituality - For me it us the

> desire

> > to know the TRUTH.How did you measure my spirituality.

> > Do you think everyone has to show off or write Mantras on the email

> > editor to advertise his spirituality.

> >

> > 2)Can you kindly brief the salient features of the special

> > spirituality required in understanding Vargas.I am aware of various

> > Talas of mind and consciousness.But i do not want to bring in houses

> > everywhere to understand them.I will see how classical authors have

> > applied vargas along with rashi bhavas and karakas in understanding

> > those sutle factors.

> >

> > Now i have people in my mind at Gurusthana who are continously

> guiding

> > me.Also Lord Siva the Guru among Gurus deals with subtle bodies and

> is

> > having first hand experience and is aware of the various minds.

> > HIS words will be final and i am writing to defend his wisdom

> > expressed through classical authors.Even if it takes me many Janmas

> i

> > will only be happy to do it,no matter whoever tries to

> degrade/distract.

> >

> > I have seen some recent trends to pump in more spirituality and

> > mythological gimmicks into Vargas to make people confused.

> > So others will think ''this pradeep is a fool,see how much

> > spirituality is invloved in all these Vargas''.

> > Those are fine with me but any amount of spirituality cannot justify

> > ''houses'' in Vargas.It can only signify the importance of Vargas

> not

> > houses.

> >

> > You are misinterpreting that ancient wisdom in the name of some self

> > imagined spirituality and mind notions.I am the same old Pradeep and

> > it is you who have fallen into hallucinations about the Vargas and

> > Jyotisha.

> >

> > I have never seen you asking Shri Sanjay Rath to participate in

> quizzes!!!

> >

> > Spirituality is to see the same energy/force/SAT/Essence in

> > everyone.It is the quest to Know Spirit,the Amsha of LORD in us.By

> > bringing in houses every here and there you will not achieve any

> > spirituality.

> >

> > Can you ask shri Sanjay Rath - How is Kalyan Varma using

> Vargas.Brihat

> > Jataka examples.Did they too lack spirituality.

> >

> > Can you ask him about his 2 Zodiacs - You will not - You will only

> try

> > to divert the attention by bringing in spirituality.Vargas have a

> > definition from Sage.

> > If you are impartial - read and attempt what classical authors have

> > said and get it clarified from Guru.Come out of the Maya Valayam.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep

> > >

> > > Forgot to add one more point. To understand divisional charts,

> one

> > > must understand so many things about spiritualty, existence,

> causal,

> > > subtle and gross bodies first. You must have first hand

> experience

> > > of these things. You must be aware of the various "minds", the

> > > various levels of consciousness which can be obtained only by

> sadhana

> > > and not theoretical intellecual mumbo jumbo.

> > >

> > > I am talking about spirituality which you sadly lack. This is not

> a

> > > judgement, but an observation.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > I wish you were the old Pradeep who used to have respect for

> > > > everyone, who used to open to all and not sticking to only one

> > > rigid

> > > > stand.

> > > >

> > > > For your kind information i never used to believe in Varga

> charts

> > > > myself, and had debates with Sri Sanjay Rath and Narasimha Rao,

> but

> > > i

> > > > did not take "Ages" to understand why varga charts exist.

> > > >

> > > > All it took me was one year of understanding theory and

> immediately

> > > > applying them on practical charts. I dont know about you, but i

> > > used

> > > > to get chart requests for about a dozen a day and that is why i

> was

> > > > able to implement whatever i learnt quickly to see whether they

> > > were

> > > > working.

> > > > I used varga charts, they worked for me, that is enough for me.

> I

> > > am

> > > > not like you, endlessly debating to prove superiority. I am not

> in

> > > > ego games that you indulge in. All i am interested is whether

> the

> > > > theories applicability on "REAL CHARTS"

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Partha ji

> > > > >

> > > > > To demonstrate practically is ofcourse the end and is what

> that

> > > all

> > > > of

> > > > > us desire.Me and you have participated in many quizzes and

> have

> > > > failed

> > > > > as well as succeeded.

> > > > > Now let us come to theory.What Sreenadh is talking is not his

> > > > > theory.Those are classical statements.But How about Varga

> > > Charts!!!.

> > > > > Before trying to criticize Sreenadh did you have a good word

> for

> > > him

> > > > > for his efforts.Do you accept knowledge only from one

> > > > > direction.Knowledge does not belong to any group or

> institution.

> > > > It

> > > > > has been there and will remain forever.We should be thankful

> to

> > > the

> > > > > facilitators whether it is SJC or Sreenadh.We should never

> think

> > > we

> > > > > are the best learned.You are not prepared to see the shlokas

> from

> > > > > KalyanVarma - hundreds of them!!!.You do not want to listen to

> > > > > others.You are everready to jump and criticise.You were

> hailing

> > > shri

> > > > > Narasimhas mail and boasting that everyone should accept that

> > > Varga

> > > > > Charts exist.You are free to hold your view.But can you

> > > > constructively

> > > > > debate based on Classics.What is your view - Do you accept 2

> > > Zodiacs

> > > > > as advised by Shri Rath(One in zodiacal order and other anti

> > > > zodiacal).

> > > > >

> > > > > I could only wish if you were the same old Partha who could

> even

> > > > learn

> > > > > from a barber.Please read the views and then criticize

> > > > > constructively.Even if we have been beleiveing for long,WRONG

> is

> > > > WRONG

> > > > > and cannot withstand the tests of time.This is applicable for

> your

> > > > > understanding as well as mine.

> > > > >

> > > > > When well read astrologers like Sreenadh are

> commenting,kindly

> > > have

> > > > > Kripa to see the merit.Sound basics leads to better

> > > > understanding.Else

> > > > > all the hard work has to be reverted.Thus theory has value

> > > > especially

> > > > > when fundamentals are misinterpreted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology will not be proved by participating in

> theoretical

> > > > debates.

> > > > > > Participate in few puzzles and quizzes and show us your

> talent

> > > > > > instead of talking about theories

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > <sreelid>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandra Sekhar ji,

> > > > > > > You said it right! Why it is so? That is why it is

> necessary

> > > > to

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > a look back at the basics.

> > > > > > > In astrology any one with little effort could clearly

> > > > visualize

> > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > basically 4 items are important as they serve as the

> > > > significators

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > many things. They are 1-Rasi, 2-Bhava, 3-Planet. To draw

> some

> > > > real

> > > > > > > predictions out of the numerous things for which these

> three

> > > > are

> > > > > > > significators 7 combinations as I have described in my

> > > previous

> > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > is used. The same principle is used to deal with Vargas

> as

> > > > well.

> > > > > > All

> > > > > > > other branches are just secondary to this fundamental

> idea.

> > > > This

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > can't you see how simple it is to get a complete picture

> of

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > ?! Now we should start learning each of these branches in

> > > > detail. I

> > > > > > > think it is the right approach as the Rishi horas

> supports

> > > this

> > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > Now coming to BPHS, Vedic/Non-vedic controversy or the

> like,

> > > > it is

> > > > > > > more related to history than to astrology. Only thing the

> > > real

> > > > > > > astrologers should worry about is - how to predict (with

> Sign-

> > > > House-

> > > > > > > Plant etc and the whole bunch of data we have) correctly?

> > > > Mostly

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > would be worried about one more thing as well in the

> current

> > > > > > > situation, that is - whether astrology is correct or not?

> In

> > > > > > > controversies like the one Mohan ji initiates (BPHS,

> > > Vedic/Non-

> > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > controversy etc) we should participate with enthusiasm as

> it

> > > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > directly linked to astrology (if astrology is right).

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Message: 24

> > > > > > > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:09:25 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > > Chandra Sekhar <chandra_sekhar1970>

> > > > > > > Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri

> > > Narasimha -

> > > > 4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is confusion everywhere. Some Jyotsi says there was no

> > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > Hora, some claims Rasi and some says only Varga. How come

> the

> > > > > > experts

> > > > > > > speak

> > > > > > > so incoherently? All qualified people, very intelligent

> > > people

> > > > who

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > shown their excellence in modern scientific sphere and

> > > talking

> > > > like

> > > > > > > blind men who have gone to see the elephant. What can be

> more

> > > > > > funny?

> > > > > > > What is fundamental in astrology? Planetary positions or

> > > their

> > > > > > > derivatives? What is more important - actual date of

> birth or

> > > > > > annual

> > > > > > > birth day?

> > > > > > > In science, a spurious text book will be identified and

> > > weeded

> > > > out

> > > > > > > immediately. Whatever a text book may contradict, two

> > > teachers

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Physics

> > > > > > > won't contradict the Newton's laws. But here the

> qualified

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > are in conflict over fundamental things.

> > > > > > > Shall astrology come out of all these uncertainties? Are

> > > these

> > > > > > > uncertainties a product of astrology itself or of the

> minds

> > > of

> > > > > > > astrologers?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > chandra sekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 30, 2005

Dear Pradeep

Dont try to twist my words to suit your good self. I never called you

deaf or dumb,please reread the mail with cool head.

I cannot give you a definition not because i cannot, but because you

cannot understand the definition right now in your present left

brained thinking. So forget it. I am not trying to escape, i am only

telling you the truth. In your present state you cannot understand

vargas,

Best wishes

partha

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Parthasarathy ji

>

> I again say you do not have any scale to measure others

spirituality.

> Also purpose of Vargas are different from definition and analysis of

> Vargas.

> Definition is objective and is not subjective.Subtelities of Vargas

> are sujective and it needs sadhana and Tapas.I am asking you on

> definition and you are not prepared to accept the lack of

> understanding.You can call me deaf ,dumb or anything.Nothing will

> happen in this world if we share the meaning of definition!!!.We

> cannot fool people all the time.

>

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep

> >

> > I didnot want to debate with you, but you are forcing me to. You

have

> > to understand the concept of Bhava, arudha properly before even

> > attempting to understand vargas.

> >

> > You have not understood bhava at all, so there is no point in

arguing

> > with you. Sanjayji once told me very clearly, "partha, you know

and i

> > know, what is the need to discuss these things with others".You

know

> > Sanjayji has taught me nothing. He never ever shared even a

single

> > principle with me. Whatever i learnt was through by reading his

> > articles, and then doing meditation to understand those

principles.

> >

> > Some things just cannot be explained to blind and deaf people,

> > because they cannot experience it. Similarly some of the

knowledge

> > cannot be passed, not because i fear or Sanjayji fears that it

may be

> > misued, but because you cannot understand it.

> > It is like giving 1000 watts power in a 6 watt bulb. Please do

some

> > sadhana. Dont get into the debates with same old people, nobody

can

> > guide you, nobody can teach you the truth, but you yourself.You

are

> > your own guru

> >

> > You may dismiss me, my words as plain foolish. Not a problem to

me. I

> > am not the loser if you dont follow this genuine heartfelt advice.

> > You may dismiss me saying that i dont know anything, i use

> > spirituality as a cover.Not a problem at all. You may dismiss me

as a

> > person who doesnot understand anything, but preaches a lot. Not a

> > problem again. Whatever you may say, i dont lose anything.

Because

> > whatever i have learnt is due to my tapasya,

> >

> > Best wishes

> > partha

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Partha ji

> > >

> > > Thanks for your mail.

> > > I believe i do respect others.If you can point to any specific

> > > instance i can apologize and try to correct myslef.

> > > Now rigidity.Yes i am rigid when satisfactory explanations are

not

> > > got.You may be satisfied with two zodicas as defined by Shri

Rath -

> > > But i am NOT.

> > > This is not disrespect towards an individual,but towards a view.

> > > First Some one says all Vargas are to be analysed

identically.Then

> > you

> > > say ''ok there is no graha drishti possible in vargas only rashi

> > > drishti''.Then you say nabhasa yogas are not possile in

> > Vargas!!!.Then

> > > you sayMahapurusha is not possible only akin to Mahgapurusha!!!

> > >

> > > Partha ji i am not prepared to accept such nonsense and

> > > inconsistencies.If you want you may and i will remain

RIGID.These

> > are

> > > only results of classical misinterpretations.

> > >

> > > You are not prepared to listen to classical authors nor

numerous

> > local

> > > authors.Who is rigid -The one who debates for classics or the

one

> > who

> > > is not prepared to change.

> > > Unfortunately you are lacking consistency.Two days back you had

told

> > > shri Narasimha,that logic is the strongest point,assuming his

logic

> > as

> > > right.

> > > But today you have gone back to spirituality as you have no

logic to

> > > support your own theory - The same old trick by many.

> > >

> > > 1)Can you kindly define what is spirituality - For me it us the

> > desire

> > > to know the TRUTH.How did you measure my spirituality.

> > > Do you think everyone has to show off or write Mantras on the

email

> > > editor to advertise his spirituality.

> > >

> > > 2)Can you kindly brief the salient features of the special

> > > spirituality required in understanding Vargas.I am aware of

various

> > > Talas of mind and consciousness.But i do not want to bring in

houses

> > > everywhere to understand them.I will see how classical authors

have

> > > applied vargas along with rashi bhavas and karakas in

understanding

> > > those sutle factors.

> > >

> > > Now i have people in my mind at Gurusthana who are continously

> > guiding

> > > me.Also Lord Siva the Guru among Gurus deals with subtle bodies

and

> > is

> > > having first hand experience and is aware of the various minds.

> > > HIS words will be final and i am writing to defend his wisdom

> > > expressed through classical authors.Even if it takes me many

Janmas

> > i

> > > will only be happy to do it,no matter whoever tries to

> > degrade/distract.

> > >

> > > I have seen some recent trends to pump in more spirituality and

> > > mythological gimmicks into Vargas to make people confused.

> > > So others will think ''this pradeep is a fool,see how much

> > > spirituality is invloved in all these Vargas''.

> > > Those are fine with me but any amount of spirituality cannot

justify

> > > ''houses'' in Vargas.It can only signify the importance of

Vargas

> > not

> > > houses.

> > >

> > > You are misinterpreting that ancient wisdom in the name of some

self

> > > imagined spirituality and mind notions.I am the same old

Pradeep and

> > > it is you who have fallen into hallucinations about the Vargas

and

> > > Jyotisha.

> > >

> > > I have never seen you asking Shri Sanjay Rath to participate in

> > quizzes!!!

> > >

> > > Spirituality is to see the same energy/force/SAT/Essence in

> > > everyone.It is the quest to Know Spirit,the Amsha of LORD in

us.By

> > > bringing in houses every here and there you will not achieve any

> > > spirituality.

> > >

> > > Can you ask shri Sanjay Rath - How is Kalyan Varma using

> > Vargas.Brihat

> > > Jataka examples.Did they too lack spirituality.

> > >

> > > Can you ask him about his 2 Zodiacs - You will not - You will

only

> > try

> > > to divert the attention by bringing in spirituality.Vargas have

a

> > > definition from Sage.

> > > If you are impartial - read and attempt what classical authors

have

> > > said and get it clarified from Guru.Come out of the Maya

Valayam.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > Forgot to add one more point. To understand divisional

charts,

> > one

> > > > must understand so many things about spiritualty, existence,

> > causal,

> > > > subtle and gross bodies first. You must have first hand

> > experience

> > > > of these things. You must be aware of the various "minds",

the

> > > > various levels of consciousness which can be obtained only by

> > sadhana

> > > > and not theoretical intellecual mumbo jumbo.

> > > >

> > > > I am talking about spirituality which you sadly lack. This is

not

> > a

> > > > judgement, but an observation.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish you were the old Pradeep who used to have respect

for

> > > > > everyone, who used to open to all and not sticking to only

one

> > > > rigid

> > > > > stand.

> > > > >

> > > > > For your kind information i never used to believe in Varga

> > charts

> > > > > myself, and had debates with Sri Sanjay Rath and Narasimha

Rao,

> > but

> > > > i

> > > > > did not take "Ages" to understand why varga charts exist.

> > > > >

> > > > > All it took me was one year of understanding theory and

> > immediately

> > > > > applying them on practical charts. I dont know about you,

but i

> > > > used

> > > > > to get chart requests for about a dozen a day and that is

why i

> > was

> > > > > able to implement whatever i learnt quickly to see whether

they

> > > > were

> > > > > working.

> > > > > I used varga charts, they worked for me, that is enough for

me.

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > not like you, endlessly debating to prove superiority. I am

not

> > in

> > > > > ego games that you indulge in. All i am interested is

whether

> > the

> > > > > theories applicability on "REAL CHARTS"

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Partha ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To demonstrate practically is ofcourse the end and is

what

> > that

> > > > all

> > > > > of

> > > > > > us desire.Me and you have participated in many quizzes

and

> > have

> > > > > failed

> > > > > > as well as succeeded.

> > > > > > Now let us come to theory.What Sreenadh is talking is not

his

> > > > > > theory.Those are classical statements.But How about Varga

> > > > Charts!!!.

> > > > > > Before trying to criticize Sreenadh did you have a good

word

> > for

> > > > him

> > > > > > for his efforts.Do you accept knowledge only from one

> > > > > > direction.Knowledge does not belong to any group or

> > institution.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > has been there and will remain forever.We should be

thankful

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > facilitators whether it is SJC or Sreenadh.We should

never

> > think

> > > > we

> > > > > > are the best learned.You are not prepared to see the

shlokas

> > from

> > > > > > KalyanVarma - hundreds of them!!!.You do not want to

listen to

> > > > > > others.You are everready to jump and criticise.You were

> > hailing

> > > > shri

> > > > > > Narasimhas mail and boasting that everyone should accept

that

> > > > Varga

> > > > > > Charts exist.You are free to hold your view.But can you

> > > > > constructively

> > > > > > debate based on Classics.What is your view - Do you

accept 2

> > > > Zodiacs

> > > > > > as advised by Shri Rath(One in zodiacal order and other

anti

> > > > > zodiacal).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I could only wish if you were the same old Partha who

could

> > even

> > > > > learn

> > > > > > from a barber.Please read the views and then criticize

> > > > > > constructively.Even if we have been beleiveing for

long,WRONG

> > is

> > > > > WRONG

> > > > > > and cannot withstand the tests of time.This is applicable

for

> > your

> > > > > > understanding as well as mine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When well read astrologers like Sreenadh are

> > commenting,kindly

> > > > have

> > > > > > Kripa to see the merit.Sound basics leads to better

> > > > > understanding.Else

> > > > > > all the hard work has to be reverted.Thus theory has

value

> > > > > especially

> > > > > > when fundamentals are misinterpreted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrology will not be proved by participating in

> > theoretical

> > > > > debates.

> > > > > > > Participate in few puzzles and quizzes and show us your

> > talent

> > > > > > > instead of talking about theories

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > > partha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > > <sreelid>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Sekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > You said it right! Why it is so? That is why it is

> > necessary

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > a look back at the basics.

> > > > > > > > In astrology any one with little effort could

clearly

> > > > > visualize

> > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > basically 4 items are important as they serve as the

> > > > > significators

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > many things. They are 1-Rasi, 2-Bhava, 3-Planet. To

draw

> > some

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > > predictions out of the numerous things for which

these

> > three

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > significators 7 combinations as I have described in

my

> > > > previous

> > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > is used. The same principle is used to deal with

Vargas

> > as

> > > > > well.

> > > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > other branches are just secondary to this fundamental

> > idea.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > can't you see how simple it is to get a complete

picture

> > of

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > ?! Now we should start learning each of these

branches in

> > > > > detail. I

> > > > > > > > think it is the right approach as the Rishi horas

> > supports

> > > > this

> > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > Now coming to BPHS, Vedic/Non-vedic controversy or

the

> > like,

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > more related to history than to astrology. Only thing

the

> > > > real

> > > > > > > > astrologers should worry about is - how to predict

(with

> > Sign-

> > > > > House-

> > > > > > > > Plant etc and the whole bunch of data we have)

correctly?

> > > > > Mostly

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > would be worried about one more thing as well in the

> > current

> > > > > > > > situation, that is - whether astrology is correct or

not?

> > In

> > > > > > > > controversies like the one Mohan ji initiates (BPHS,

> > > > Vedic/Non-

> > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > controversy etc) we should participate with

enthusiasm as

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > directly linked to astrology (if astrology is right).

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Message: 24

> > > > > > > > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:09:25 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > > > Chandra Sekhar <chandra_sekhar1970>

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri

> > > > Narasimha -

> > > > > 4

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is confusion everywhere. Some Jyotsi says there

was no

> > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > Hora, some claims Rasi and some says only Varga. How

come

> > the

> > > > > > > experts

> > > > > > > > speak

> > > > > > > > so incoherently? All qualified people, very

intelligent

> > > > people

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > shown their excellence in modern scientific sphere

and

> > > > talking

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > > blind men who have gone to see the elephant. What can

be

> > more

> > > > > > > funny?

> > > > > > > > What is fundamental in astrology? Planetary positions

or

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > derivatives? What is more important - actual date of

> > birth or

> > > > > > > annual

> > > > > > > > birth day?

> > > > > > > > In science, a spurious text book will be identified

and

> > > > weeded

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > > immediately. Whatever a text book may contradict, two

> > > > teachers

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Physics

> > > > > > > > won't contradict the Newton's laws. But here the

> > qualified

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > are in conflict over fundamental things.

> > > > > > > > Shall astrology come out of all these uncertainties?

Are

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > uncertainties a product of astrology itself or of the

> > minds

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > astrologers?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > chandra sekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 30, 2005

Dear Partha ji

You do not know anything about your level of spirituality.If you ever

knew,you will never indulge in measuring others spiritual level, which

you never can.

You are inconsistent.

You supported logic of Narasimha,when for a moment you thought

logically you are correct.Then later conveniently shifted over to

spirituality which other members are observing.

i accept that i donot even know 10 % of subtle matters.The difference

between you and me is ,i am prepared to study the basics as taught by

Hrishis and local astrologers of yesteryears.And you think that you

have learned everything by putting HOUSES which is detrimental.

It takes many janmas to understand Jyotish.But in internet jyotish you

can even fully understand motherinlaw of your Boss,by putting Houses

in dashamsha and that too over a weekend workshop.I cannot wish you

all the best.Let Lord Shiva show you light.

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu@g...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep

>

> Dont try to twist my words to suit your good self. I never called you

> deaf or dumb,please reread the mail with cool head.

>

> I cannot give you a definition not because i cannot, but because you

> cannot understand the definition right now in your present left

> brained thinking. So forget it. I am not trying to escape, i am only

> telling you the truth. In your present state you cannot understand

> vargas,

>

> Best wishes

> partha

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Parthasarathy ji

> >

> > I again say you do not have any scale to measure others

> spirituality.

> > Also purpose of Vargas are different from definition and analysis of

> > Vargas.

> > Definition is objective and is not subjective.Subtelities of Vargas

> > are sujective and it needs sadhana and Tapas.I am asking you on

> > definition and you are not prepared to accept the lack of

> > understanding.You can call me deaf ,dumb or anything.Nothing will

> > happen in this world if we share the meaning of definition!!!.We

> > cannot fool people all the time.

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep

> > >

> > > I didnot want to debate with you, but you are forcing me to. You

> have

> > > to understand the concept of Bhava, arudha properly before even

> > > attempting to understand vargas.

> > >

> > > You have not understood bhava at all, so there is no point in

> arguing

> > > with you. Sanjayji once told me very clearly, "partha, you know

> and i

> > > know, what is the need to discuss these things with others".You

> know

> > > Sanjayji has taught me nothing. He never ever shared even a

> single

> > > principle with me. Whatever i learnt was through by reading his

> > > articles, and then doing meditation to understand those

> principles.

> > >

> > > Some things just cannot be explained to blind and deaf people,

> > > because they cannot experience it. Similarly some of the

> knowledge

> > > cannot be passed, not because i fear or Sanjayji fears that it

> may be

> > > misued, but because you cannot understand it.

> > > It is like giving 1000 watts power in a 6 watt bulb. Please do

> some

> > > sadhana. Dont get into the debates with same old people, nobody

> can

> > > guide you, nobody can teach you the truth, but you yourself.You

> are

> > > your own guru

> > >

> > > You may dismiss me, my words as plain foolish. Not a problem to

> me. I

> > > am not the loser if you dont follow this genuine heartfelt advice.

> > > You may dismiss me saying that i dont know anything, i use

> > > spirituality as a cover.Not a problem at all. You may dismiss me

> as a

> > > person who doesnot understand anything, but preaches a lot. Not a

> > > problem again. Whatever you may say, i dont lose anything.

> Because

> > > whatever i have learnt is due to my tapasya,

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Partha ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your mail.

> > > > I believe i do respect others.If you can point to any specific

> > > > instance i can apologize and try to correct myslef.

> > > > Now rigidity.Yes i am rigid when satisfactory explanations are

> not

> > > > got.You may be satisfied with two zodicas as defined by Shri

> Rath -

> > > > But i am NOT.

> > > > This is not disrespect towards an individual,but towards a view.

> > > > First Some one says all Vargas are to be analysed

> identically.Then

> > > you

> > > > say ''ok there is no graha drishti possible in vargas only rashi

> > > > drishti''.Then you say nabhasa yogas are not possile in

> > > Vargas!!!.Then

> > > > you sayMahapurusha is not possible only akin to Mahgapurusha!!!

> > > >

> > > > Partha ji i am not prepared to accept such nonsense and

> > > > inconsistencies.If you want you may and i will remain

> RIGID.These

> > > are

> > > > only results of classical misinterpretations.

> > > >

> > > > You are not prepared to listen to classical authors nor

> numerous

> > > local

> > > > authors.Who is rigid -The one who debates for classics or the

> one

> > > who

> > > > is not prepared to change.

> > > > Unfortunately you are lacking consistency.Two days back you had

> told

> > > > shri Narasimha,that logic is the strongest point,assuming his

> logic

> > > as

> > > > right.

> > > > But today you have gone back to spirituality as you have no

> logic to

> > > > support your own theory - The same old trick by many.

> > > >

> > > > 1)Can you kindly define what is spirituality - For me it us the

> > > desire

> > > > to know the TRUTH.How did you measure my spirituality.

> > > > Do you think everyone has to show off or write Mantras on the

> email

> > > > editor to advertise his spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > 2)Can you kindly brief the salient features of the special

> > > > spirituality required in understanding Vargas.I am aware of

> various

> > > > Talas of mind and consciousness.But i do not want to bring in

> houses

> > > > everywhere to understand them.I will see how classical authors

> have

> > > > applied vargas along with rashi bhavas and karakas in

> understanding

> > > > those sutle factors.

> > > >

> > > > Now i have people in my mind at Gurusthana who are continously

> > > guiding

> > > > me.Also Lord Siva the Guru among Gurus deals with subtle bodies

> and

> > > is

> > > > having first hand experience and is aware of the various minds.

> > > > HIS words will be final and i am writing to defend his wisdom

> > > > expressed through classical authors.Even if it takes me many

> Janmas

> > > i

> > > > will only be happy to do it,no matter whoever tries to

> > > degrade/distract.

> > > >

> > > > I have seen some recent trends to pump in more spirituality and

> > > > mythological gimmicks into Vargas to make people confused.

> > > > So others will think ''this pradeep is a fool,see how much

> > > > spirituality is invloved in all these Vargas''.

> > > > Those are fine with me but any amount of spirituality cannot

> justify

> > > > ''houses'' in Vargas.It can only signify the importance of

> Vargas

> > > not

> > > > houses.

> > > >

> > > > You are misinterpreting that ancient wisdom in the name of some

> self

> > > > imagined spirituality and mind notions.I am the same old

> Pradeep and

> > > > it is you who have fallen into hallucinations about the Vargas

> and

> > > > Jyotisha.

> > > >

> > > > I have never seen you asking Shri Sanjay Rath to participate in

> > > quizzes!!!

> > > >

> > > > Spirituality is to see the same energy/force/SAT/Essence in

> > > > everyone.It is the quest to Know Spirit,the Amsha of LORD in

> us.By

> > > > bringing in houses every here and there you will not achieve any

> > > > spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > Can you ask shri Sanjay Rath - How is Kalyan Varma using

> > > Vargas.Brihat

> > > > Jataka examples.Did they too lack spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > Can you ask him about his 2 Zodiacs - You will not - You will

> only

> > > try

> > > > to divert the attention by bringing in spirituality.Vargas have

> a

> > > > definition from Sage.

> > > > If you are impartial - read and attempt what classical authors

> have

> > > > said and get it clarified from Guru.Come out of the Maya

> Valayam.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > Forgot to add one more point. To understand divisional

> charts,

> > > one

> > > > > must understand so many things about spiritualty, existence,

> > > causal,

> > > > > subtle and gross bodies first. You must have first hand

> > > experience

> > > > > of these things. You must be aware of the various "minds",

> the

> > > > > various levels of consciousness which can be obtained only by

> > > sadhana

> > > > > and not theoretical intellecual mumbo jumbo.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am talking about spirituality which you sadly lack. This is

> not

> > > a

> > > > > judgement, but an observation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish you were the old Pradeep who used to have respect

> for

> > > > > > everyone, who used to open to all and not sticking to only

> one

> > > > > rigid

> > > > > > stand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For your kind information i never used to believe in Varga

> > > charts

> > > > > > myself, and had debates with Sri Sanjay Rath and Narasimha

> Rao,

> > > but

> > > > > i

> > > > > > did not take "Ages" to understand why varga charts exist.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All it took me was one year of understanding theory and

> > > immediately

> > > > > > applying them on practical charts. I dont know about you,

> but i

> > > > > used

> > > > > > to get chart requests for about a dozen a day and that is

> why i

> > > was

> > > > > > able to implement whatever i learnt quickly to see whether

> they

> > > > > were

> > > > > > working.

> > > > > > I used varga charts, they worked for me, that is enough for

> me.

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > not like you, endlessly debating to prove superiority. I am

> not

> > > in

> > > > > > ego games that you indulge in. All i am interested is

> whether

> > > the

> > > > > > theories applicability on "REAL CHARTS"

> > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Partha ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To demonstrate practically is ofcourse the end and is

> what

> > > that

> > > > > all

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > us desire.Me and you have participated in many quizzes

> and

> > > have

> > > > > > failed

> > > > > > > as well as succeeded.

> > > > > > > Now let us come to theory.What Sreenadh is talking is not

> his

> > > > > > > theory.Those are classical statements.But How about Varga

> > > > > Charts!!!.

> > > > > > > Before trying to criticize Sreenadh did you have a good

> word

> > > for

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > for his efforts.Do you accept knowledge only from one

> > > > > > > direction.Knowledge does not belong to any group or

> > > institution.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > has been there and will remain forever.We should be

> thankful

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > facilitators whether it is SJC or Sreenadh.We should

> never

> > > think

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > are the best learned.You are not prepared to see the

> shlokas

> > > from

> > > > > > > KalyanVarma - hundreds of them!!!.You do not want to

> listen to

> > > > > > > others.You are everready to jump and criticise.You were

> > > hailing

> > > > > shri

> > > > > > > Narasimhas mail and boasting that everyone should accept

> that

> > > > > Varga

> > > > > > > Charts exist.You are free to hold your view.But can you

> > > > > > constructively

> > > > > > > debate based on Classics.What is your view - Do you

> accept 2

> > > > > Zodiacs

> > > > > > > as advised by Shri Rath(One in zodiacal order and other

> anti

> > > > > > zodiacal).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I could only wish if you were the same old Partha who

> could

> > > even

> > > > > > learn

> > > > > > > from a barber.Please read the views and then criticize

> > > > > > > constructively.Even if we have been beleiveing for

> long,WRONG

> > > is

> > > > > > WRONG

> > > > > > > and cannot withstand the tests of time.This is applicable

> for

> > > your

> > > > > > > understanding as well as mine.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When well read astrologers like Sreenadh are

> > > commenting,kindly

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > Kripa to see the merit.Sound basics leads to better

> > > > > > understanding.Else

> > > > > > > all the hard work has to be reverted.Thus theory has

> value

> > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > when fundamentals are misinterpreted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrology will not be proved by participating in

> > > theoretical

> > > > > > debates.

> > > > > > > > Participate in few puzzles and quizzes and show us your

> > > talent

> > > > > > > > instead of talking about theories

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > > > partha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > > > <sreelid>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Sekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > You said it right! Why it is so? That is why it is

> > > necessary

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > a look back at the basics.

> > > > > > > > > In astrology any one with little effort could

> clearly

> > > > > > visualize

> > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > basically 4 items are important as they serve as the

> > > > > > significators

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > many things. They are 1-Rasi, 2-Bhava, 3-Planet. To

> draw

> > > some

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > predictions out of the numerous things for which

> these

> > > three

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > significators 7 combinations as I have described in

> my

> > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > is used. The same principle is used to deal with

> Vargas

> > > as

> > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > > other branches are just secondary to this fundamental

> > > idea.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > can't you see how simple it is to get a complete

> picture

> > > of

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > ?! Now we should start learning each of these

> branches in

> > > > > > detail. I

> > > > > > > > > think it is the right approach as the Rishi horas

> > > supports

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > Now coming to BPHS, Vedic/Non-vedic controversy or

> the

> > > like,

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > more related to history than to astrology. Only thing

> the

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > astrologers should worry about is - how to predict

> (with

> > > Sign-

> > > > > > House-

> > > > > > > > > Plant etc and the whole bunch of data we have)

> correctly?

> > > > > > Mostly

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > would be worried about one more thing as well in the

> > > current

> > > > > > > > > situation, that is - whether astrology is correct or

> not?

> > > In

> > > > > > > > > controversies like the one Mohan ji initiates (BPHS,

> > > > > Vedic/Non-

> > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > controversy etc) we should participate with

> enthusiasm as

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > directly linked to astrology (if astrology is right).

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Message: 24

> > > > > > > > > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:09:25 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > > > > Chandra Sekhar <chandra_sekhar1970>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri

> > > > > Narasimha -

> > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is confusion everywhere. Some Jyotsi says there

> was no

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > Hora, some claims Rasi and some says only Varga. How

> come

> > > the

> > > > > > > > experts

> > > > > > > > > speak

> > > > > > > > > so incoherently? All qualified people, very

> intelligent

> > > > > people

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > shown their excellence in modern scientific sphere

> and

> > > > > talking

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > blind men who have gone to see the elephant. What can

> be

> > > more

> > > > > > > > funny?

> > > > > > > > > What is fundamental in astrology? Planetary positions

> or

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > derivatives? What is more important - actual date of

> > > birth or

> > > > > > > > annual

> > > > > > > > > birth day?

> > > > > > > > > In science, a spurious text book will be identified

> and

> > > > > weeded

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > immediately. Whatever a text book may contradict, two

> > > > > teachers

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Physics

> > > > > > > > > won't contradict the Newton's laws. But here the

> > > qualified

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > are in conflict over fundamental things.

> > > > > > > > > Shall astrology come out of all these uncertainties?

> Are

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > uncertainties a product of astrology itself or of the

> > > minds

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > astrologers?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chandra sekhar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 30, 2005

Dear Pradeep

a) I supported Narasimha's logic.

b) I asked you to do tapasya.

Now where is the link between the two?

Both are absolutely in different contexts. How can you mix two

different threads and make statements? You are trying to say by using

some twisted logic that i meant logic in one mail and spirituality in

another?

If i say to someone that he is doing a good job by applying common

sense for maths, and then i tell another that he needs to work hard

for maths by practicing concentration techniques,

can you link both of them? Both are told to different people !! that

too in different contexts

One was a praise

Other was an advice.

I think you need to first work on your reading and comphrehension,

before we can discuss other things

best wishes

partha

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Partha ji

>

> You do not know anything about your level of spirituality.If you

ever

> knew,you will never indulge in measuring others spiritual level,

which

> you never can.

>

> You are inconsistent.

>

> You supported logic of Narasimha,when for a moment you thought

> logically you are correct.Then later conveniently shifted over to

> spirituality which other members are observing.

>

> i accept that i donot even know 10 % of subtle matters.The

difference

> between you and me is ,i am prepared to study the basics as taught

by

> Hrishis and local astrologers of yesteryears.And you think that you

> have learned everything by putting HOUSES which is detrimental.

>

> It takes many janmas to understand Jyotish.But in internet jyotish

you

> can even fully understand motherinlaw of your Boss,by putting Houses

> in dashamsha and that too over a weekend workshop.I cannot wish you

> all the best.Let Lord Shiva show you light.

>

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep

> >

> > Dont try to twist my words to suit your good self. I never called

you

> > deaf or dumb,please reread the mail with cool head.

> >

> > I cannot give you a definition not because i cannot, but because

you

> > cannot understand the definition right now in your present left

> > brained thinking. So forget it. I am not trying to escape, i am

only

> > telling you the truth. In your present state you cannot

understand

> > vargas,

> >

> > Best wishes

> > partha

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Parthasarathy ji

> > >

> > > I again say you do not have any scale to measure others

> > spirituality.

> > > Also purpose of Vargas are different from definition and

analysis of

> > > Vargas.

> > > Definition is objective and is not subjective.Subtelities of

Vargas

> > > are sujective and it needs sadhana and Tapas.I am asking you on

> > > definition and you are not prepared to accept the lack of

> > > understanding.You can call me deaf ,dumb or anything.Nothing

will

> > > happen in this world if we share the meaning of definition!!!.We

> > > cannot fool people all the time.

> > >

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > I didnot want to debate with you, but you are forcing me to.

You

> > have

> > > > to understand the concept of Bhava, arudha properly before

even

> > > > attempting to understand vargas.

> > > >

> > > > You have not understood bhava at all, so there is no point in

> > arguing

> > > > with you. Sanjayji once told me very clearly, "partha, you

know

> > and i

> > > > know, what is the need to discuss these things with

others".You

> > know

> > > > Sanjayji has taught me nothing. He never ever shared even a

> > single

> > > > principle with me. Whatever i learnt was through by reading

his

> > > > articles, and then doing meditation to understand those

> > principles.

> > > >

> > > > Some things just cannot be explained to blind and deaf

people,

> > > > because they cannot experience it. Similarly some of the

> > knowledge

> > > > cannot be passed, not because i fear or Sanjayji fears that

it

> > may be

> > > > misued, but because you cannot understand it.

> > > > It is like giving 1000 watts power in a 6 watt bulb. Please

do

> > some

> > > > sadhana. Dont get into the debates with same old people,

nobody

> > can

> > > > guide you, nobody can teach you the truth, but you

yourself.You

> > are

> > > > your own guru

> > > >

> > > > You may dismiss me, my words as plain foolish. Not a problem

to

> > me. I

> > > > am not the loser if you dont follow this genuine heartfelt

advice.

> > > > You may dismiss me saying that i dont know anything, i use

> > > > spirituality as a cover.Not a problem at all. You may dismiss

me

> > as a

> > > > person who doesnot understand anything, but preaches a lot.

Not a

> > > > problem again. Whatever you may say, i dont lose anything.

> > Because

> > > > whatever i have learnt is due to my tapasya,

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Partha ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your mail.

> > > > > I believe i do respect others.If you can point to any

specific

> > > > > instance i can apologize and try to correct myslef.

> > > > > Now rigidity.Yes i am rigid when satisfactory explanations

are

> > not

> > > > > got.You may be satisfied with two zodicas as defined by

Shri

> > Rath -

> > > > > But i am NOT.

> > > > > This is not disrespect towards an individual,but towards a

view.

> > > > > First Some one says all Vargas are to be analysed

> > identically.Then

> > > > you

> > > > > say ''ok there is no graha drishti possible in vargas only

rashi

> > > > > drishti''.Then you say nabhasa yogas are not possile in

> > > > Vargas!!!.Then

> > > > > you sayMahapurusha is not possible only akin to

Mahgapurusha!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Partha ji i am not prepared to accept such nonsense and

> > > > > inconsistencies.If you want you may and i will remain

> > RIGID.These

> > > > are

> > > > > only results of classical misinterpretations.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are not prepared to listen to classical authors nor

> > numerous

> > > > local

> > > > > authors.Who is rigid -The one who debates for classics or

the

> > one

> > > > who

> > > > > is not prepared to change.

> > > > > Unfortunately you are lacking consistency.Two days back you

had

> > told

> > > > > shri Narasimha,that logic is the strongest point,assuming

his

> > logic

> > > > as

> > > > > right.

> > > > > But today you have gone back to spirituality as you have no

> > logic to

> > > > > support your own theory - The same old trick by many.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Can you kindly define what is spirituality - For me it us

the

> > > > desire

> > > > > to know the TRUTH.How did you measure my spirituality.

> > > > > Do you think everyone has to show off or write Mantras on

the

> > email

> > > > > editor to advertise his spirituality.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)Can you kindly brief the salient features of the special

> > > > > spirituality required in understanding Vargas.I am aware of

> > various

> > > > > Talas of mind and consciousness.But i do not want to bring

in

> > houses

> > > > > everywhere to understand them.I will see how classical

authors

> > have

> > > > > applied vargas along with rashi bhavas and karakas in

> > understanding

> > > > > those sutle factors.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now i have people in my mind at Gurusthana who are

continously

> > > > guiding

> > > > > me.Also Lord Siva the Guru among Gurus deals with subtle

bodies

> > and

> > > > is

> > > > > having first hand experience and is aware of the various

minds.

> > > > > HIS words will be final and i am writing to defend his

wisdom

> > > > > expressed through classical authors.Even if it takes me

many

> > Janmas

> > > > i

> > > > > will only be happy to do it,no matter whoever tries to

> > > > degrade/distract.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have seen some recent trends to pump in more spirituality

and

> > > > > mythological gimmicks into Vargas to make people confused.

> > > > > So others will think ''this pradeep is a fool,see how much

> > > > > spirituality is invloved in all these Vargas''.

> > > > > Those are fine with me but any amount of spirituality

cannot

> > justify

> > > > > ''houses'' in Vargas.It can only signify the importance of

> > Vargas

> > > > not

> > > > > houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are misinterpreting that ancient wisdom in the name of

some

> > self

> > > > > imagined spirituality and mind notions.I am the same old

> > Pradeep and

> > > > > it is you who have fallen into hallucinations about the

Vargas

> > and

> > > > > Jyotisha.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have never seen you asking Shri Sanjay Rath to

participate in

> > > > quizzes!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Spirituality is to see the same energy/force/SAT/Essence in

> > > > > everyone.It is the quest to Know Spirit,the Amsha of LORD

in

> > us.By

> > > > > bringing in houses every here and there you will not

achieve any

> > > > > spirituality.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you ask shri Sanjay Rath - How is Kalyan Varma using

> > > > Vargas.Brihat

> > > > > Jataka examples.Did they too lack spirituality.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you ask him about his 2 Zodiacs - You will not - You

will

> > only

> > > > try

> > > > > to divert the attention by bringing in spirituality.Vargas

have

> > a

> > > > > definition from Sage.

> > > > > If you are impartial - read and attempt what classical

authors

> > have

> > > > > said and get it clarified from Guru.Come out of the Maya

> > Valayam.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Forgot to add one more point. To understand divisional

> > charts,

> > > > one

> > > > > > must understand so many things about spiritualty,

existence,

> > > > causal,

> > > > > > subtle and gross bodies first. You must have first hand

> > > > experience

> > > > > > of these things. You must be aware of the

various "minds",

> > the

> > > > > > various levels of consciousness which can be obtained

only by

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > > and not theoretical intellecual mumbo jumbo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am talking about spirituality which you sadly lack.

This is

> > not

> > > > a

> > > > > > judgement, but an observation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha

sarathy"

> > > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I wish you were the old Pradeep who used to have

respect

> > for

> > > > > > > everyone, who used to open to all and not sticking to

only

> > one

> > > > > > rigid

> > > > > > > stand.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For your kind information i never used to believe in

Varga

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > myself, and had debates with Sri Sanjay Rath and

Narasimha

> > Rao,

> > > > but

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > did not take "Ages" to understand why varga charts

exist.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All it took me was one year of understanding theory and

> > > > immediately

> > > > > > > applying them on practical charts. I dont know about

you,

> > but i

> > > > > > used

> > > > > > > to get chart requests for about a dozen a day and that

is

> > why i

> > > > was

> > > > > > > able to implement whatever i learnt quickly to see

whether

> > they

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > working.

> > > > > > > I used varga charts, they worked for me, that is enough

for

> > me.

> > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > not like you, endlessly debating to prove superiority.

I am

> > not

> > > > in

> > > > > > > ego games that you indulge in. All i am interested is

> > whether

> > > > the

> > > > > > > theories applicability on "REAL CHARTS"

> > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > > partha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Partha ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To demonstrate practically is ofcourse the end and is

> > what

> > > > that

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > us desire.Me and you have participated in many

quizzes

> > and

> > > > have

> > > > > > > failed

> > > > > > > > as well as succeeded.

> > > > > > > > Now let us come to theory.What Sreenadh is talking is

not

> > his

> > > > > > > > theory.Those are classical statements.But How about

Varga

> > > > > > Charts!!!.

> > > > > > > > Before trying to criticize Sreenadh did you have a

good

> > word

> > > > for

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > for his efforts.Do you accept knowledge only from one

> > > > > > > > direction.Knowledge does not belong to any group or

> > > > institution.

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > has been there and will remain forever.We should be

> > thankful

> > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > facilitators whether it is SJC or Sreenadh.We should

> > never

> > > > think

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > are the best learned.You are not prepared to see the

> > shlokas

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > KalyanVarma - hundreds of them!!!.You do not want to

> > listen to

> > > > > > > > others.You are everready to jump and criticise.You

were

> > > > hailing

> > > > > > shri

> > > > > > > > Narasimhas mail and boasting that everyone should

accept

> > that

> > > > > > Varga

> > > > > > > > Charts exist.You are free to hold your view.But can

you

> > > > > > > constructively

> > > > > > > > debate based on Classics.What is your view - Do you

> > accept 2

> > > > > > Zodiacs

> > > > > > > > as advised by Shri Rath(One in zodiacal order and

other

> > anti

> > > > > > > zodiacal).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I could only wish if you were the same old Partha who

> > could

> > > > even

> > > > > > > learn

> > > > > > > > from a barber.Please read the views and then criticize

> > > > > > > > constructively.Even if we have been beleiveing for

> > long,WRONG

> > > > is

> > > > > > > WRONG

> > > > > > > > and cannot withstand the tests of time.This is

applicable

> > for

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > understanding as well as mine.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When well read astrologers like Sreenadh are

> > > > commenting,kindly

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > Kripa to see the merit.Sound basics leads to better

> > > > > > > understanding.Else

> > > > > > > > all the hard work has to be reverted.Thus theory has

> > value

> > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > when fundamentals are misinterpreted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha

sarathy"

> > > > > > > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrology will not be proved by participating in

> > > > theoretical

> > > > > > > debates.

> > > > > > > > > Participate in few puzzles and quizzes and show us

your

> > > > talent

> > > > > > > > > instead of talking about theories

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > > > > partha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > > > > <sreelid>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Sekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > You said it right! Why it is so? That is why it

is

> > > > necessary

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > a look back at the basics.

> > > > > > > > > > In astrology any one with little effort could

> > clearly

> > > > > > > visualize

> > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > basically 4 items are important as they serve as

the

> > > > > > > significators

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > many things. They are 1-Rasi, 2-Bhava, 3-Planet.

To

> > draw

> > > > some

> > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > predictions out of the numerous things for which

> > these

> > > > three

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > significators 7 combinations as I have described

in

> > my

> > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > is used. The same principle is used to deal with

> > Vargas

> > > > as

> > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > > > other branches are just secondary to this

fundamental

> > > > idea.

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > > can't you see how simple it is to get a complete

> > picture

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > ?! Now we should start learning each of these

> > branches in

> > > > > > > detail. I

> > > > > > > > > > think it is the right approach as the Rishi horas

> > > > supports

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > > Now coming to BPHS, Vedic/Non-vedic controversy

or

> > the

> > > > like,

> > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > more related to history than to astrology. Only

thing

> > the

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers should worry about is - how to

predict

> > (with

> > > > Sign-

> > > > > > > House-

> > > > > > > > > > Plant etc and the whole bunch of data we have)

> > correctly?

> > > > > > > Mostly

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > would be worried about one more thing as well in

the

> > > > current

> > > > > > > > > > situation, that is - whether astrology is correct

or

> > not?

> > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > controversies like the one Mohan ji initiates

(BPHS,

> > > > > > Vedic/Non-

> > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > controversy etc) we should participate with

> > enthusiasm as

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > directly linked to astrology (if astrology is

right).

> > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Message: 24

> > > > > > > > > > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:09:25 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > > > > > Chandra Sekhar <chandra_sekhar1970>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep)

Shri

> > > > > > Narasimha -

> > > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is confusion everywhere. Some Jyotsi says

there

> > was no

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > Hora, some claims Rasi and some says only Varga.

How

> > come

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > experts

> > > > > > > > > > speak

> > > > > > > > > > so incoherently? All qualified people, very

> > intelligent

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > shown their excellence in modern scientific

sphere

> > and

> > > > > > talking

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > blind men who have gone to see the elephant. What

can

> > be

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > funny?

> > > > > > > > > > What is fundamental in astrology? Planetary

positions

> > or

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > derivatives? What is more important - actual date

of

> > > > birth or

> > > > > > > > > annual

> > > > > > > > > > birth day?

> > > > > > > > > > In science, a spurious text book will be

identified

> > and

> > > > > > weeded

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > immediately. Whatever a text book may contradict,

two

> > > > > > teachers

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Physics

> > > > > > > > > > won't contradict the Newton's laws. But here the

> > > > qualified

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > are in conflict over fundamental things.

> > > > > > > > > > Shall astrology come out of all these

uncertainties?

> > Are

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > > uncertainties a product of astrology itself or of

the

> > > > minds

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > chandra sekhar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 31, 2005

Dear Partha ji

>> You are trying to say by using some twisted logic that i meant

logic >>in one mail and spirituality in > another?

>

Ofcourse.You initially beleived or had confidence in logic of shri

Narasimha and never brought spirituality or ''chicken came first or

hen'' kind of statements - which no person can measure objectively.

But when there was dearth of logic you resorted to such.

As chandrashekhar ji has mentioned arguments are based on Tarka(logic)

and Pramana(Classics).We have been countering Varga charts based on

these two.Any member can read the threads.

On the contrary - What pramana and what Tarka you are having?

Sanjayji said''Partha You and me Know what we are talking and we know

whom to talk.''

''You will never understand Vargas''

''You dont have spirituality''

''I am not running away''

''I know THE answer but will not tell you''(like school children)

''If you want you can consider me as a fool but will not tell you''

what are these Partha ji - These are just frustrations no logic.

As you have said i am learning what a Bhava is and hence the

doubts.But if we make theories without understanding what a Bhava is,

we will only have Bhavas everywhere and nothing else in Jyotish.

I am forced to talk like this.Nowadays you never reply to any valid

questions.You are making just sarcastic comments.If you and Sanjayji

feel that i cannot understand, why dont you please explain to

thousands of other members in this list regarding my questions!!.

Pradeep

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