How to Predict with Navamsa?

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Dear All,

There are basically 7 types of Phala predictions in the Natal chart.

Similar system is used for Navamsa prediction as well. I will describe

both these systems in brief.

 

First write down all the Navamsa outside the rasi chart (natal chart)

near to their respective signs. (almost similar to the Mixed 3 Vargas

view of JHora). All predictions related to Navamsa should be thought

by considering this fig in mind.

How to predict with natal chart?

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Every learned astrologer know that almost the whole astrology (Phala)

comes under the classifications and results generated by:

1) Sign

2) Bhava

3) Planet

4) Sign-Planet combination

5) Bhava-Planet combination

6) Sign-Bhava combination

7) Sign-Bhava-Planet combination

If you systematically study these classifications and the results

generated by them, then the whole astrology is almost over!

Why this 7-fold classification is important? I will explain.

1) Sign

All the results I predict based on the classification and qualities

of signs such as Chara, Agneya, Gramya etc comes under this.

2) House

If the lord of the 6th house is in 7th, I predict something. All

such results come under this.

3) Planet

If Sun-Moon, guru-Satern etc are together I predict something. All

such 2 planet, 3 planet etc combinations and the corresponding results

comes under this.

4) Sign-Planet

If Sun is in Aris I predict something. All such 'Asraya rasi phala'

comes under this.

5) House-Planet

If Jupiter is in 5th house I predict something. All such 'bhava

phala' comes under this.

6) House-Planet

If Ge comes as the 3rd house I predict something. All such results

come under this.

7) Sign-House-Planet

If mercury is in 7th house that happens to be Ge then I predict

something. All such results come under this.

Therefore it is clear that it is a fundamental rule. Now let us look

at the next question. You will see that the same rule is in rule there

as well.

 

How to predict with Navamsa?

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1. Sign

Separate prediction for all the Navamsa in the zodiac (12x9=81) is

given in Saravali. In such predictions only the place (Sign) is

considered and not the house or planet.

2. House

The same prediction that would be given if the lord of one house were

in other is given here as well. It is common to here astrologers

mentioning things like 'Ashakamadhipa's amsaka is there in maraka

stana', or that 'the amsaka of the 6th lord is there in the 7th' or

the like. Many predictions are drawn considering such things in mind.

But there is not many slokas that supports this.

3. Planet

Planetary combinations just indicate the mix-up of things for which

they are the significators. Due to this reason the same phalas that

are told for planetary combinations of natal chart is used here as

well. All 2 planets, 3 planets, 4-planet etc combinations fall into

this category.

4. Sign-Planet

The same prediction that would be given if the planet were posited in

one particular rasi (Asraya rasi phala) is used here as well.

Sign-Planet Navamsa prediction has 2 sub-categories.

1) Predictions considering the Navamsa lord

In texts like 'Shadvarga Phala prekash' predictions are given

considering the lord of Navamsa for different planets.

2) Predictions considering the Navamsa sign.

In texts like Varaha Hora and the like we could find plenty examples

for this kind of prediction. The slokas such as "Arekshako Vadha

ruchi...." is the best example.

5. House-Planet

In VH it is said that, in a girl's horoscope if the Navamsa of

planets such as Ve,Ju,Mo,Me falls on the seventh house from the Asc,

then she would have a nice waist. All such predictions come under the

category of House-Planet prediction.

6. Sign-House

In Presnamarga we could see statements like 'If the Navamsa lord of

the 7th house is in debilitation, is aspected by Papas etc then one

will marry more than once" (Ch-20.sl-42). Exaltation, Debilitation etc

are all related to signs. In all such cases we could see the Sign-

House combination used for prediction.

7. Sign-House-Planet

In VH you could see statements such as "When the seventh sign from

Asc is Cp or Aq, if the navamsa of Satern falls in the 7th sign and at

the same time Satern looks to the 7th sign then the husband of that

girl would be an old man". In this Cp (Sign), 7th sign (House), and

Satern (Planet) all three are considered, i.e. it is a Sign-House-

Planet combination.

 

It is clear that the same principles that are used to derive the

predictions related to the Natal chart is in operation here as well.

Not only in Navamsa in all the other Vargas as well it is the case.

 

Points to ponder

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1. Most of the predictions are derived using the basic 7 types of

combinations.

2. Only Vargas are important and not the Varga Charts/D-Charts

3. The 12 Vargas are related to the 12 Bhavas starting from Asc.

4. At times lost slokas may hinder our understanding of the ancient

classics, but that does not gives us the permission to misinterpret

all the slokas intentionally.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

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, "Sreenadh"

<sreesog wrote:

 

Dear all,

Given below is some of my thoughts on 'how to predict with navamsa'.

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How to predict with Navamsa?

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Navamsa is the 9th Varga. It is 1/9 th of a sign, and that is why

the name Navamsa.

Nava = 9 Amsa = Division. Navamsa = 1 division out of 9 divisions.

Navamsa longitude = R x 9

 

Navamsa prediction is also based on the 7-fold system

Stana (Place)

Saravali says – "Now I will say the lagna navamsa phala for signs

starting from Aries. With lagna navamsa we should know the color,

shape and lakshana (nature of the native & significance of the amsa).

The same method could be applied to Chandra navamsa and the navamsa

of all other planets"

This sloka indicates that -

1) Color (based on navamsa sign and navamsa lord)

2) Shape (Swaroopa and geography)

3) Nature (character attributes of the native)

4) significance assigned to the navamsa

Are the basic 4 methods used to extract the stana phala. Let us

discuss the Shape (Swaroopa concept in detail).

This is one of the basic rule to be followed in prediction based on

navamsa. As said earlier, to determine the stana phala for each

navamsa several methods are used. One of them is assigning Swaroopa.

This has 2 variations.

i) Navamsa Swaroopa (assigning imaginary shape to the navamsa)

Saravali says – "The person born in the first navamsa of Aries will

have a face similar to ram, small nose, short arms, rough sound, half

closed eyes, a slim body without handicaps"

Saravali assumes/assigns such imaginary shape to the

individuals born in all navamsas.

ii) Navamsa Swaroopa based on navamsa number

This is another method of assigning navamsa Swaroopa. Here imaginary

shape is assigned to individuals born in different navamsa of each

rasi based on the navamsa number with in that sign. For example, if a

person is born in the first navamsa of any sign, then he would be –

"stingy, not bold enough in taking decisions, sinner, wants to hurt

others" says shadvarga phala prakash.

[iI] Bhava (House)

The house (from natal lagna) in which the navamsa falls. For

example if the amsa of the 2nd lord is in 12th, assets and bank

balance etc can be predicted. Also if we want to speak about expense

then in which items the money would be spend would be indicated by

the sign in which navamsa falls and the lord of it.

[iII] Graha (Planet)

The combination (uti) of planet is considered in navamsa as

well. For example think that Ma is in the 5th navamsa of Aries (which

falls in Leo) and Mo is in the 8th Navamsa of Virgo (which falls in

Leo). Also think that Ju is in Leo. Then there is a Ma-Mo combination

in Leo in navamsa. Normal prediction (considering the mixing of

significance) given for Ma-Mo combination can be given here as well.

But no predictions considering Ju-Ma or Ju-Mo should be given, since

Ju is in sign and others are in navamsa.

[iV] Stana-Graha (Place-planet)

The traditional astrologers use the "Asraya rasi phala

(prediction for placement of planets)" told for planets in natal

chart in navamsa as well. [No. Don't think of navamsa chart. I am

speaking about navamsa super imposed on natal chart and not about

navamsa chart] But there are 2 other cute methods for place-planet

prediction using navamsa.

i) Considering the House lord (House = Sign)

Saravali says "Without considering the lordship of houses, we can not

move even a single step forward in prediction". Shadvarga

phalaprekash says – "If the navamsa of Su is in the house of Su

itself then, he would be wealthy and live a good life. But he would

like quarrelling with others, taking the wrong methods and approaches

and the like. He will have many diseases as well". Similarly

prediction for all the other planets are also given.

ii) Navamsaka sign based prediction

Sphujidwaja hora says – "Navamsaka in Aries sign (any planet placed

in navamsa allotted for Aries sign) indicates, land, gold etc if Ma

is strong. Navamsaka in Tarus sign indicates, quadrupeds, women,

wealthy people etc". For example, in a presena if Su navamsaka is in

Aries, then that sun could indicate gold, if the lagna lord is Su

then the presna itself could be about gold. In which sign that sun

is placed is not important here. See the difference in use of the

these words as well-

Navamsa = 1/9th of a sign

Navamsaka = to which sign that 1/9th part is allotted. (in which sign

that 1/9th part falls).

If Su is in Aries 9 deg, then Su in Aries 3rd Navamsa and the

Navamsaka falls in Gemini. So Navamsa is Aries 3rd Navamsa and

Navamsaka is Gemini. These words are at times used almost in a

similar fashion as well. So take those words as having almost same

meaning, but don't get confused.

While making Place-Planet predictions with Navamsa, remember that the

basic significance o the planets and signs remains the same. The only

extra thing being that it is looked though a new dimension.

Mihira also speaks about the Place-planet based prediction

with navamsa. For example, in Viyoni Janma chapter of Brihat Jataka,

he says – "If the lagnamsaka is strong then the color of that sign

would be the sign of the animal born at that time" Remember that the

word lagnamsaka indicates the sign in which lagnamsa falls. Taking

another example from Varaha hora, let us think of the sloka "Ojarkshe

purushamsakeshu…". Mihira says "If Lagna, Su, Moon, Ju and there

amsakas falls in male signs then it would be a male birth". Here

Male/Female variation of sign is considered. So it is a place-planet

prediction. See to the fact that Mihira is speaking about the

Male/Female variation of 8 signs. They are –

• The sign in which lagna is posited.

• The sign in which Su is posited

• The sign in which Mo is posited

• The sign in which Ju is posited

• The sign in which the lagna navamsa falls (Lagna navamsa sign

= Lagnamsaka)

• The sign in which the Su navamsa falls (Su navamsa sign =

Suryamsaka)

• The sign in which the Mo navamsa falls (Mo navamsa sign =

Chandramsaka)

• The sign in which the Ju navamsa falls (Ju navamsa sign =

Gurvamsaka)

I started with Place-Planet prediction given for navamsa and now the

path, seems to turn may be because of some discussions happening in

this forum at this time, so I stop here.

By the way there is a whole chapter (Chapter 17) allotted to navamsa

based place-planet prediction, in Varaha hora. Have a look at it.

[V] Bhava-Graha (House-Planet)

Predictions are given considering the Navamsaka house (starting from

natal lagna) in the horoscope. For example, Mihira says –

"Koujamsesthe Sourina vyadhi yoni", meaning if the navamsa of Ma

falls in 7th (from natal lagna) then she will have some disease

related to sexual organs". Brihal prajapatyam says –

Aste jeevamsake tatra bhargavena nireekshite

Ya jata tam vijaneehi yoni manojchakanwitam

Meaning, "if the navamsa of Ju falls in 7th from natal lagna and the

Drishti of Ve falls in 7th then she will have beautiful hip and

sexual organs"

Spot the fact that, since 7th house and planets are considered it is

a House-Planet prediction.

[VI] Stana-Bhava (Place-House)

Since house is always counted from natal lagna this system is

not much important in navamsa based prediction. But we can locate

some other cute uses of this.

Remember that exaltation, debilitation etc is also related to place.

(Stana) Look at this sloka from Prasnamarga –

Daresasya navamsese moodhe neechari bhagake

Papandare papa drishte kalatrantarabhag bhavel

Meaning, if the lord of the sign in which the navamsa of the 7th lord

falls is combusted, debilitated, in enemy sign, between malefics or

aspected (drishti) by malefics then, the native will have more than

one wife.

For example, think that Virgo is Lagna and the navamsa of the

7th lord Ju Leo. Then if Su (lord of leo) is in Libra, he will have

more than one wife. Here -

Ju = Daresa (7th lord)

2nd navamsa of Pi = Daresasya navamsa (Thus the Ju Navamsaka is Leo)

Su = Daresasya navamsesa (navamsa lord for Ju)

Notice that, in this sloka, exaltation, debilitation etc (and

thus Place) and 7th house (and thus House) is considered and also

that the prediction is based on Navamsa. But such slokas are rare and

is mostly based on things like exaltation-debilitation (Place),

Kendra-trikona (House) etc.

[VII] Stana-Bhava-Graha (Place-House-Planet)

Look at the Varaha Hora sloka "Vridho MoorkhaH Sooryajarkshamsake va"

Meaning, "if the 7th house is Cp or Aq and if the navamsa of Sa falls

in that sign, then she will get an aged person with not much

education as husband". For example, if Lagna is Cn and the navamsa of

Sa falls in Cp then her husband would be an aged person.

Notice that here – Cn (Place), 7th house (House) and Sa

(Planet) are considered. Also notice that it is a navamsa based

prediction.

I think this explanation might have cleared the doubt – "how

to predict with navamsa" at least to a certain extend. Always

remember that it is the 7-fold prediction system that is used both in

natal chart and in Vargas (amsas).

• The vargas (amsas) only modify the results shown by the natal

chart.

• Drishti is not considered in Vargas (amsas).

This message is becoming too long and I have already covered the 7-

fold system. So I stop here.

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P.S. : Take an example chart and elaborate on the same.

Love,

Sreenadh